Best 2H sword

[Kafein]

War Cleaver
weight 3.5
requirement 13
spd rtng 92
weapon length 120
swing damage 43, cut
thrust damage 0 cut
Can't use on horseback
Unbalanced

Bar Mace
weight 4.5
requirement 13
spd rtng 92
weapon length 96
swing damage 35, blunt
thrust damage 0 blunt
Crushtrhough
Unbalanced
Knockdown


Lul 

[Kaelaen]

I've been using a bastard sword recently because it doesn't really help my manual blocking practice if my enemies die in one hit à la war cleaver.  La Makina got it right, the best weapon is the one you're most comfortable with and killing people with the war cleaver I find easier than killing with faster swords because people often underestimate the speed and, most importantly, range of it.  Speed is overrated, unless you're fighting me who never pings below 70 so anything sufficiently fast looks like it teleports all over the place.

[Gorath]

Otherwise, war cleaver compares well against other weapons listed.

How do you figure?  Everything else I listed has better stats.  I have a hard time understanding your logic given the stats and math involved.  And really, how many other people do you see use the war cleaver?  People aren't flocking to it en-masse because it's such an awesomely balanced weapon.  The unbalanced nature of it, along with lack of either crush through, blunt damage, pierce damage or bonus vs axes makes it a very meh weapon stat wise.  If it didn't look so damn good I'd stick to using something like the sword of war instead.  1 more speed, 1 more range, 3 less cut, addition of a stab and it's balanced.

[zagibu]

Yep, sword of war is better, that's why it's also more expensive. The reason why you don't see many people running around with a war cleaver is the same reason why you don't see many people running around with e.g. battle fork. Both weapons have more expensive better options.

As for the rest of your listed weapons, i really don't see why you consider them better than war cleaver. War cleaver mostly does more damage, is longer or cheaper. I still think it's pretty well balanced.

Now, if we are on the can my favourite weapon please be buffed train, can the long spiked club please be buffed? Less speed, more damage, please!

But back on topic: I no longer consider the regular great sword, which has 1 more speed, but 1 less cut and 3 less length, superior to the german great sword, because 92 speed is enough.

[Gorath]

Yep, sword of war is better, that's why it's also more expensive. The reason why you don't see many people running around with a war cleaver is the same reason why you don't see many people running around with e.g. battle fork. Both weapons have more expensive better options.

As for the rest of your listed weapons, i really don't see why you consider them better than war cleaver. War cleaver mostly does more damage, is longer or cheaper. I still think it's pretty well balanced.

Now, if we are on the can my favourite weapon please be buffed train, can the long spiked club please be buffed? Less speed, more damage, please!

But back on topic: I no longer consider the regular great sword, which has 1 more speed, but 1 less cut and 3 less length, superior to the german great sword, because 92 speed is enough.

No, it's about general balance.  The cleaver gets a huge penalty, unbalanced tag, with nothing to show for it.  Pretty much every other "unbalanced" weapon gets either bonus vs shields, crushthrough, blunt damage, pierce damage, etc.  Which seems like terrible balance for this particular weapon.  I'm not even sure why the unbalanced tag was added in the first place, in native it was balanced.  Here it recieved a HUGE penalty which makes it sub-par to every other option.

Why would I consider them better?
NoDachi - Longer, not unbalanced
DaoDao - cheaper, same stats for the most part, non unbalanced
Miadao - same as above, not unbalanced
Great Bardiche - more damage, bonus vs shields
Sword of War - Thrust, non unbalanced, faster, longer

[BlackMilk]

G R E A T  M A U L 

[Player_01]

War sp- wrong weapon type! Longsword personally, the length difference becomes null (to me) when you block the first strike of bigger weapons and get close.


And for the war cleaver discussion, War cleaver looks so badass. I wish they would either remove the unbalanced tag or give it crush-through/bonus to shields to compensate. Crush-through would be so boss. 

[UrLukur]

War sp- wrong weapon type! Longsword personally, the length difference becomes null (to me) when you block the first strike of bigger weapons and get close.


And for the war cleaver discussion, War cleaver looks so badass. I wish they would either remove the unbalanced tag or give it crush-through/bonus to shields to compensate. Crush-through would be so boss. 

I wish longest 2h greatswords and spamberge GAIN unbalanced trait.

[Xant]

I wish all 1h weapons gain unbalanced trait.

[UrLukur]

I wish all 1h weapons gain unbalanced trait.

They already have something akin, it's called shield. I would not whine hard if cavalry swords (longest ones) and some maces and many axes gain unbalanced trait, i dunno if it does not interfere with shield mechanic, as there was not used on 1h in native.

[Gorath]

I wish longest 2h greatswords and spamberge GAIN unbalanced trait.

That would work too.

[Xant]

They already have something akin, it's called shield. I would not whine hard if cavalry swords (longest ones) and some maces and many axes gain unbalanced trait, i dunno if it does not interfere with shield mechanic, as there was not used on 1h in native.

No, you'll just have to learn to play with a shield. It's nothing similar.

[UrLukur]

No, you'll just have to learn to play with a shield. It's nothing similar.

Both hamper feints in some way. I do fine with shields, nub.

[Player_01]

I wish I was a fish.

Then I could delay the rounds cause nobody would think to look for a fish in a medieval war game.

[Xant]

Both hamper feints in some way. I do fine with shields, nub.

Debatable.