Plz Stop this pewpew madness without overnerfing it.

[Lactose_the_intolerant]

if you ?lay under your wolves sebastian nick well it isnt you 

[Xant]

cRPG god is punishing you for armor crutching.

[Rumblood]

This still doesn't solve all the problems. Steep hills and reachable but hard to reach places would still be nearly equally retarded.

Hello? Archers cant run on steep hills. I thought the complaint was that they could run away from you STRENGTH crutchers. "Whaa! I went all strength and no athletics and it isn't fair that guy with 8 athletics can outrun me! I want my one hit kill!"

Buncha whiners.

[Tears of Destiny]

People need to learn that some builds will have a harder time against others...

No sympathy since Matey and others make extremely deadly anti-archer builds. Naturally if your build is great against one thing, it will have a much harder time against others. This is not single player, there are no rambos.

[Gorath]

there are no rambos.

Which is gay.  Teamwork is fun when it's a choice, not a necessity.

Hello? Archers cant run on steep hills. I thought the complaint was that they could run away from you STRENGTH crutchers. "Whaa! I went all strength and no athletics and it isn't fair that guy with 8 athletics can outrun me! I want my one hit kill!"

Buncha whiners.

I've never been a STR crutcher (except on an alt to troll with a lollermaul) and I still have issue with this.  Archers should not have fucking 8 athletics.  They shouldn't be able to run faster than a balanced build melee.  Why?  Because kiting is lame shit.  Sure, that's not a fair answer, it's not a logical answer, but it's an honest answer.  Melee shouldn't have to make a goddamned useless agi/athletics gimmick build JUST for running down archers while being shit everywhere else.

Everything about the damned ranged playstyle is fucking lame.  Kiting:  Lame.  Roofcamping:  Fucking lame.  Shooting melee guys that can't attack back:  Lame.

That said I'm just a biased bastard that hates ranged, so whatever.

[Jarlek]

I see WHY archers would want to Kite, and I see why we shouldn't make them unable to do so. If they decide to go light armour and 8 athl, they SHOULD be allowed to run away. Archer's shouldn't be forced into melee.
What I find ridiculous, though, is that they can run away with NO sacrifices! What I suggest is that we do the same with Bows as they did with Shields. Make them heavy as fuck. You want to run away to get help from allies? Fine, but you can't take the bow with you. Or if you do, it's a risk that the enemy can catch up with you. This would also makes shielders able to neutralize archers, instead of just chasing them forever. They can run towards them, archer have to drop his bow but can then kite away. Shielder can then follow and hope the archer gets intercepted, camp the bow so the archer can't get it back, or go fight someone else.

What do you think about this? All the "we don't want to fight in melee because we don't have melee builds" and "we are running to get help from allies" still can be done with this. The only thing that would change is the "lol, I am gonna run away like a bitch, making them unable to kill me, but me still able to kill them, in a very annoying, slow and delaying way!"

[Tears of Destiny]

The reason why archers run fast is actually because we don't wear armour because you won't let us. Even with 5 athletics I was able to outrun most people due to that.

[Jarlek]

The reason why archers run fast is actually because we don't wear armour because you won't let us. Even with 5 athletics I was able to outrun most people due to that.

True. But guessing from how much speed shielders lost from the icnreased shield weight, I guess icnreasing the bow weight could help. Then again, doesn't sheathing your weapon negate most of the weight or was it all of it? If that is true, then archers could still run with a sheathed bow. That would actually be balanced in my eyes. You can run fast with the bow sheathed, or attack but having to stand still/move slowly? What do you think?

[Rumblood]

Guess what? You nerf my 8 athletics, I'm just going to go reverse on you and go 8 PD AND 8 PS and start 1 shotting you instead of being able to run away and take 4-6 shots. Oh, and when you get close, that 8 PS will 1 shot you too, rather than the 4-5 PS I'm using now and taking 4-6 hits to kill you.

You hate ranged. We get it. Until cavalry is removed from the game however, I will continue using it.

[BADPLAYERold]

Guess what? You nerf my 8 athletics, I'm just going to go reverse on you and go 8 PD AND 8 PS and start 1 shotting you instead of being able to run away and take 4-6 shots. Oh, and when you get close, that 8 PS will 1 shot you too, rather than the 4-5 PS I'm using now and taking 4-6 hits to kill you.

You hate ranged. We get it. Until cavalry is removed from the game however, I will continue using it.

Cavalry is supposed to be the counter to ranged, I find it funny how it's the other way around (Unless you use an incredibly expensive armoured horse, but even then any organized group of ranged can destroy you or they can just camp somewhere you can't get to and kill you that way)

[Gorath]

Guess what? You nerf my 8 athletics, I'm just going to go reverse on you and go 8 PD AND 8 PS and start 1 shotting you instead of being able to run away and take 4-6 shots. Oh, and when you get close, that 8 PS will 1 shot you too, rather than the 4-5 PS I'm using now and taking 4-6 hits to kill you.

You hate ranged. We get it. Until cavalry is removed from the game however, I will continue using it.

Why do you feel the need to be as much of a my old friend as possible?
What about the game screams "MUST BE LAME AND GAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" in your eyes?  Hmmmmm?
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Cavalry is supposed to be the counter to ranged, I find it funny how it's the other way around (Unless you use an incredibly expensive armoured horse, but even then any organized group of ranged can destroy you or they can just camp somewhere you can't get to and kill you that way)

^
This too.  What exactly IS the counter to ranged?  Oh yeah, other ranged.  THAT is truly retarded.

[Tears of Destiny]

I'm still waiting for the whiners to leave... They never do...

[Gorath]

I'm still waiting for the whiners to leave... They never do...

Still waiting for the rangedbundle of stickss to leave... They never do...

[Tears of Destiny]

What's funny is that I have a bow and the game is designed for it, yet you and others keep dreaming of what never was and never will be.

Pew Pew Pew.

[Gorath]

What's funny is that I have a bow and the game is designed for it, yet you and others keep dreaming of what never was and never will be.

Pew Pew Pew.

What's funny is that the devs took what was the only part of the game that is unique and groundbreaking in a sea of FPS's, melee combat, and then ruined it by making ranged combat so fucking viable.  Then the mod took that disease, and added ladders.