Nice Cavalry buff

[Tears of Destiny]

Hmm, Grannpappy roof camping?! I never seen that before, I should hop on and join him, I forgot what it was like!

I invite all of the rest of the usual ground archers to start roofcamping for the "lols"

[Prpavi]

QQ? You want QQ'ing? Prepare your fucking QQ thread bitches, because I am about to Roof Camp the living shit out of you. I'm betting it will only take a day before Ladders are removed completely from the game and all maps are set to open field because you won't be able to handle it!
Really though, there has been some incredibly ignorant posts in this thread. It would take an entire book to explain just how wrong you are.

Beer, you are especially ignorant. You know what happens when you stand and shoot the rider without getting out of the way? You lose 1/2 to 3/4 of your health to the HORSE, even if the rider DIES. Geez, that's an AWESOME tactic! Just sacrifice over half your health! Oh, and that's only if you hit them! Should you miss, you're dead totally. Rider has better than cloth or has a shield? Even if you hit them, you lost 1/2 health. 2nd time you hit them again, oh but their platemail laughs at your puny arrow and you die from horse charge without the lancer even bothering to try to land a hit.

That Game Admin needs his adminhood revoked or remediated. This isn't a rock/paper/scissors World of Warcraft pvp server where the 1337 Class pwns all others.

I leave you with a quote from myself.

Well that was easy. First map, picked a roof and started camping. 5 dead horses and 3 dead riders! Awesome! You know the best part? They COULDN'T fight back! Just like me if I was on the ground!  It was incredible! I was a GOD raining death down upon them without a thing they could do! Man, you guys are so right! Being able to kill a player without them being able to do anything about it is the most fulfilling thing I've ever done! 

Retard.

[Tears of Destiny]

Retard.

Poopy face.

[Keshian]

Poopy face.

Doo-doo head.

Hey this roof-camping thing is catching on pretty fast, might become very very popular soon.

[polkafranzi]

roofs will get nerfed and every map will be open plains...you made your own beds.

[Rumblood]

Hmm, Grannpappy roof camping?! I never seen that before, I should hop on and join him, I forgot what it was like!

I invite all of the rest of the usual ground archers to start roofcamping for the "lols"

I couldn't do it for very long. It was as gay as this nerf 

[Tears of Destiny]

roofs will get nerfed and every map will be open plains...you made your own beds.

Good, I notice that randoms start doing teamwork when there are no buildings around.

I couldn't do it for very long. It was as gay as this nerf 

I don't blame you, it is awful and boring...

[rufio]

stop whining ur playing a pussy eazymod class. i hope they nerf damage to, and give archers a speed cap to, so they finaly go and work in groups like the my old friends are supossed to do. unlike some wannabe solid snake sneaking about solo headshotting and running away.  freaking using longbows like they modern guns, pff that was all.

[Tears of Destiny]

stop whining ur playing a pussy eazymod class. i hope they nerf damage to, and give archers a speed cap to, so they finaly go and work in groups like the my old friends are supossed to do. unlike some wannabe solid snake sneaking about solo headshotting and running away.  freaking using longbows like they modern guns, pff that was all.

1.) I don't use a Longbow, I think the damage needs to be lowered to 25.
2,) U mad?
3.) I'm a cute bitch.
4.) We do work in groups, which makes "U Mad" more.
5.) U mad?

[Vingnir the Wanderer]

Ok, well i guess I better put my armor on before I wade in here and get personally attacked as a result of stating my opinion.

My opinion:

There is a reason, the richest men on the battlefield equipped horses, superior armor, and weapons on the battlefield - because THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE OP

Thats why that guys armor cost 35-50k and his horse possibly twice that much, and you know what, he pays upkeep on that.

So, outside of a roof, a properly armed cav should OWN an archer.  AND STILL, if your careful and skillfull, you can beat a cav on foot, thats how it should be and thats how it is. The added slow on cav was crap, the horses are squishy enough as it is.

Its like argueing that a peasant slinger should be balanced with a Spartan warrior...  If you dont like the odds of an sling versus a Spartan, then dont play a peasant class - and thats not a slight - take it as a challenge like a man, rather than crying about the balance between a knight and an archer, please...


And on roofs - roofs should have random chances of caving in, (killing the archer or dropping him to the first level of a hut -if he cant get out? his bad... and  anyone trying to get on one, a chance of slipping off depending on roof angle. And angle of a slope on a roof you can climb and can stand on should be nerfed. Also,there should be an accuracy modifier based on the slope one is standing on. -Probably not easily modded in, but that would make things better.

And if any archer is gonna scream 'no fair! unbalanced!'  All I can say is, this aint a game about Legolas and his pretty little archery fantasy world, this is the medieval world where your an archer, because your the peasant class, or a specialist, you wanna be a hero archer?  Earn it like a Medieval hero archer, you chose a peasant/yeoman class, deal with it.  -You already have alot more already for the sake of game balance than you probably should.

Ok i have my helmet on, commence with the tomatoes. lol

[Brrrak]

QQ? You want QQ'ing? Prepare your fucking QQ thread bitches, because I am about to Roof Camp the living shit out of you. (snip)

A valid reaction (except for the Q.Q rage).  I'm sure your team will much appreciate a better act of positioning for your particular niche.  You have height on your opponent, range, and cavalry have a bitch of a time getting up on roofs.

[copper]

People like to bitch about archers (acting like when they get shot it's always the same guy shooting them), but the fact is that if you check the scoreboard the only people racking up 20+ kills are cav and really good (2H or polearm) melee players. Individual archers had a difficult job before this jump-shot nerf. Despite claims to the contrary, (dedicated) archery has a high learning curve and was already a difficult class to play.

Anyway, someone suggested running out of the way of lancers, but any cav who's been playing for more than a day can readjust their trajectory and get the easy kill. And a lot of cav players just turn around and keep bumping an archer until they get the kill since the long bow has such a long draw time (I'm talking about before the nerf). Now you may as well lay down and die if you find yourself getting cav-bumped because you can't draw as you jump out of the way, so getting a shot off is nigh-impossible. Someone else suggested shooting cav before they mow you down. That's pretty bad advice as you're not going to one-shot most horses, even when they running at you at full speed, but I guess the same people who bitch about archery have never actually tried it (or they got sick of it because it takes too long to become proficient at).

The other I haven't seen addressed is shielders, which were hopeless enough as an archer before. Without the jump shot over the shield (which rarely works anyway), there's nothing to be done. To be a decent archer requires putting ALL of your stats into archery; my 0 PS hammer shots against any melee players is ridiculous to even consider. I used to think the long bow was the only real choice as an archer, but without the jump-draw, much less the jump-shot, the long bow is too slow for many situations. Looks like using a cut bow (read Rus bow), with it's slightly faster draw and corresponding power drop, may be the most viable option for archers now. Guess we're screwed against heavy armor now too. Seems like allowing archery in the game has become a square on the part of the devs; no one's actually supposed to use it.

The argument that the nerf is because archers are OP in Strategus doesn't really hold much water. Most people spend most of their time pub'ing, not playing Strat, and people don't clump up behind a shield wall like they do in Strat, so spamming arrows and getting random kills just doesn't happen the way it does in Strat.

[Vodner]

Archers SHOULD be killed by cav. It's how the balance of classes work.

No class should just 'be killed' by another class. The countering class should have a significant advantage, but the winner should ideally be determined by player skill.

[Crob28]

let's just change every roof so that its actually made of lava and does 2hp damage per second that you stay on there 

[polkafranzi]

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People like to bitch about archers (acting like when they get shot it's always the same guy shooting them), but the fact is that if you check the scoreboard the only people racking up 20+ kills are cav and really good (2H or polearm) melee players. Individual archers had a difficult job before this jump-shot nerf. Despite claims to the contrary, (dedicated) archery has a high learning curve and was already a difficult class to play.

Anyway, someone suggested running out of the way of lancers, but any cav who's been playing for more than a day can readjust their trajectory and get the easy kill. And a lot of cav players just turn around and keep bumping an archer until they get the kill since the long bow has such a long draw time (I'm talking about before the nerf). Now you may as well lay down and die if you find yourself getting cav-bumped because you can't draw as you jump out of the way, so getting a shot off is nigh-impossible. Someone else suggested shooting cav before they mow you down. That's pretty bad advice as you're not going to one-shot most horses, even when they running at you at full speed, but I guess the same people who bitch about archery have never actually tried it (or they got sick of it because it takes too long to become proficient at).

The other I haven't seen addressed is shielders, which were hopeless enough as an archer before. Without the jump shot over the shield (which rarely works anyway), there's nothing to be done. To be a decent archer requires putting ALL of your stats into archery; my 0 PS hammer shots against any melee players is ridiculous to even consider. I used to think the long bow was the only real choice as an archer, but without the jump-draw, much less the jump-shot, the long bow is too slow for many situations. Looks like using a cut bow (read Rus bow), with it's slightly faster draw and corresponding power drop, may be the most viable option for archers now. Guess we're screwed against heavy armor now too. Seems like allowing archery in the game has become a square on the part of the devs; no one's actually supposed to use it.

The argument that the nerf is because archers are OP in Strategus doesn't really hold much water. Most people spend most of their time pub'ing, not playing Strat, and people don't clump up behind a shield wall like they do in Strat, so spamming arrows and getting random kills just doesn't happen the way it does in Strat.

I have screens to prove that on many a map, archers are going i.e. 15-1 up, and the cav are lagging behind.  It´s an old argument, if you are any good as an archer, these nerfs mean nothing, you still pwn.  Same goes for cav.  If you can´t hack the changes, maybe time to consider respeccing or playing native pew pew