Nice Cavalry buff

[Smoothrich]

Archers huddled together with obstacles like hills and ruins is deadly for a cav to go against.  Tunnel visioned archers on an open field with no support are pretty much the ideal cav target and one of the main points of the class.  Welcome to internet horses

[Fartface]

stop QQing.
im an archer and i think its still way to easy to avoid an lancer.
ur supposed to get killed by the cav so.

[Gurnisson]

Archers SHOULD be killed by cav. It's how the balance of classes work.

No, every class should have a chance against every class. It should be hard for an archer to take down cav, but perfectly possible. I've done what polepoop said from the first time I noticed that jumping and nocking didn't work, and it's works well. Confuse them, and go for the rider, not the horse, and you should either scare him away after 1-2 arrows, or take him down.

[Leshma]

No, every class should have a chance against every class.

+1

[Overdriven]

No, every class should have a chance against every class.

That's one of the reasons I think it was a mistake to remove jump shooting. Whilst you can dodge out the way just by running, it's harder to do because a lancer has more time to readjust than if you jump. Running takes a lot more skill and you have to leave it till the last moment to step out of the way. One of the easiest ways to dodge lancers was by waiting, jump to the side, and shoot them/horse at the same time. A couple of goes of this and they will leave you alone. Lancers have to turn quite wide before they can come back so that gave the archer time to do it again.

Obviously archers will have to readjust and learn to do it by running, but it is more difficult.

[awesomeasaurus]

No, every class should have a chance against every class. It should be hard for an archer to take down cav, but perfectly possible. I've done what polepoop said from the first time I noticed that jumping and nocking didn't work, and it's works well. Confuse them, and go for the rider, not the horse, and you should either scare him away after 1-2 arrows, or take him down.

Sure, you have a chance. By not being an easy target in a field. Stand by a wall maybe? HANG OUT WITH PIKEMEN?! Both valid suggestions. But an archer with no pike/obstacle support should be meat in the grinder because they made a fatal mistake..

[Leesin]

No, every class should have a chance against every class. It should be hard for an archer to take down cav, but perfectly possible. I've done what polepoop said from the first time I noticed that jumping and nocking didn't work, and it's works well. Confuse them, and go for the rider, not the horse, and you should either scare him away after 1-2 arrows, or take him down.

Archers should not be alone in an open area, they should be with teamates if they are in an open area and even better with teammates in an area which is tough for cav to maneuver in, that is how archers should beat cav, not jump shooting, which was lame against every class.

Archers can also still beat cav 1v1 without jump shooting and they stand alot more chance doing it if they aren't in an open field where they deserve to be killed by cavalry. You are forgetting that even though jump shot is gone, horses now turn and accelerate slower. Chances are if I miss an archer on my first swing, I will not be trying to turn around to attack him again, I will continue riding on and avoid getting an arrow into my horse.

[Beer]

Archers easily beat cav 1 on 1, Just wait til the rider is close, and shoot him right before he lances you, repeat again and he should die depending on armor and stuff. That and learn to look around you every few second while shooting or you deserve to be lanced.

[KaMiKaZe_JoE]

If you make killing you difficult, the cavalry player should just... leave.

If an archer is able to dodge my initial attack, and then promptly shoots either myself or my horse, I am probably going to just fucking ride away. Granted, I'll just ride back 10 seconds later when the archer amazingly forgets about just happened, and stab his face.

Hurt the horse or rider, and unless they're bad, they should leave.

[Rumblood]

QQ? You want QQ'ing? Prepare your fucking QQ thread bitches, because I am about to Roof Camp the living shit out of you. I'm betting it will only take a day before Ladders are removed completely from the game and all maps are set to open field because you won't be able to handle it!
Really though, there has been some incredibly ignorant posts in this thread. It would take an entire book to explain just how wrong you are.

Beer, you are especially ignorant. You know what happens when you stand and shoot the rider without getting out of the way? You lose 1/2 to 3/4 of your health to the HORSE, even if the rider DIES. Geez, that's an AWESOME tactic! Just sacrifice over half your health! Oh, and that's only if you hit them! Should you miss, you're dead totally. Rider has better than cloth or has a shield? Even if you hit them, you lost 1/2 health. 2nd time you hit them again, oh but their platemail laughs at your puny arrow and you die from horse charge without the lancer even bothering to try to land a hit.

That Game Admin needs his adminhood revoked or remediated. This isn't a rock/paper/scissors World of Warcraft pvp server where the 1337 Class pwns all others.

I leave you with a quote from myself.

QQ? You want QQ'ing? Prepare your fucking QQ thread bitches, because I am about to Roof Camp the living shit out of you

[polkafranzi]

QQ? You want QQ'ing? Prepare your fucking QQ thread bitches, because I am about to Roof Camp the living shit out of you. I'm betting it will only take a day before Ladders are removed completely from the game and all maps are set to open field because you won't be able to handle it!
Really though, there has been some incredibly ignorant posts in this thread. It would take an entire book to explain just how wrong you are.

Beer, you are especially ignorant. You know what happens when you stand and shoot the rider without getting out of the way? You lose 1/2 to 3/4 of your health to the HORSE, even if the rider DIES. Geez, that's an AWESOME tactic! Just sacrifice over half your health! Oh, and that's only if you hit them! Should you miss, you're dead totally. Rider has better than cloth or has a shield? Even if you hit them, you lost 1/2 health. 2nd time you hit them again, oh but their platemail laughs at your puny arrow and you die from horse charge without the lancer even bothering to try to land a hit.

That Game Admin needs his adminhood revoked or remediated. This isn't a rock/paper/scissors World of Warcraft pvp server where the 1337 Class pwns all others.

I leave you with a quote from myself.

Dude, wtf do you want?

That archers can 1 hit horse and rider?  Get real.  Of course the horse will hurt you if it's trampling you, that's the life of an archer.

Roofcamping? Meh...we'll wait for flags thank you.

[Tears of Destiny]

Dude, wtf do you want?

Presumably, for people to stop wildly exaggerating when making proposals to buff or nerf things, hence his first wildly exaggerated paragraph.

[polkafranzi]

Presumably, for people to stop wildly exaggerating when making proposals to buff or nerf things, hence his first wildly exaggerated paragraph.

trudat, whole book? hemad.

[Jacko]

I've always seen this as a rock paper scissor lizard spock kind of game, really.

[Rumblood]

Well that was easy. First map, picked a roof and started camping. 5 dead horses and 3 dead riders! Awesome! You know the best part? They COULDN'T fight back! Just like me if I was on the ground!  It was incredible! I was a GOD raining death down upon them without a thing they could do! Man, you guys are so right! Being able to kill a player without them being able to do anything about it is the most fulfilling thing I've ever done!