Get off the roof, Archers!

[Bobthehero]

Eh most of the time their arrow dont do shit to me so I just stop to tell that, noone listens

[Dach]

Well remind me of Serge that was whining on the server last night...

he was whining about ranged in general when his score is like 24-3.

Playing easy mode and they still whine... 

[Bobthehero]

Fuck that shit Emperor of flower just butchered my team 5 vs 1 with massive kitting taking an axe and breaking the shielder shield and then more kitting.

The amount of skill required to do that is abyssimal, so I'd say kite kite archer are easy mode.

[justjr]

This is Medieval Warfare, deal with it.

[Croaker McGee]

This is Medieval Warfare, deal with it.

Exactly. If you want 'honorable' combat, stick to the duel servers. Tactics and different playstyles are what make battles and sieges fun.

[Bobthehero]

Ladders, ladder spam, teamwork, MotF, Jumping horses, sniping, not getting shot, having mad skillz, ingenuity, QMD the map, kill all the groundpounders to force the roof campers to jump etc.

To get back a bit on topic...


Ladders=they break
ladder spam=same
teamwork=? What is that on a public game
MotF=can work except those times where the flag is by the roof
Jumping horse=yeah get me horse that can reach a roof
Sniping=can work, but their archer have the advantage of not having to fear cavalry, so advantage roofers
not getting shot=they're alive too
mad skillz=can work if you're lucky and noone watch the ladder otherwise you can be the best meleer in the world that wont do squat
ingenuity=map dependent
QMD=one whole team wont QMD it
kill all=unless there's an admin that actually kick the roofers, that does not do anything

And don't you dare say "then use an item you dont have that people using a roofs force you to" because the instant you demand that I change my playing style, I get to as well and tell you "Up yours, change your style if you're forcing me to change mine"

[MrShine]

I've played both sides.

Personally tin cans that whine about archers kiting and "being pussies" annoy me about as much as archers that don't wear any melee weapon and will just continue to run - to the point of absurdity or against other low armor/peasant types.

On the one hand I think archers do need to "be men" in some occasions.  But expecting an archer to engage in melee with a 2H/polearm beast in full plate at the first opportunity is just as absurd.

Do things like HA/HC/rooftop camping ranged tick me off when I'm melee w/ no shield?  Absolutely.  It's also part of the game and you need to adapt.  Just like I bust out a long spear if the enemy team is destroying us with cav, I'll bust out my rank 1 board shield if the other team has a bunch of range and will try to avoid those areas during the course of the battle.  If all else fails and it's just archers camping a roof somewhere, well that's when MOTF is your friend

I do think destroyable ladders need to be looked at in battle.  However the current system works well enough in most cases to be effective.

And don't you dare say "then use an item you dont have that people using a roofs force you to" because the instant you demand that I change my playing style, I get to as well and tell you "Up yours, change your style if you're forcing me to change mine"

You shouldn't be required to change your playing style, just don't expect it to be easy to beat certain other playing styles and be willing to live with the consequences if you refused to change

[Tears of Destiny]

words

L2P

And don't you dare say "then use an item you dont have that people using a roofs force you to" because the instant you demand that I change my playing style, I get to as well and tell you "Up yours, change your style if you're forcing me to change mine"

Oh wait... You already did a couple of posts up!  I loled hard.

[Bobthehero]

Mmmm fuck I realised you misunderstood that part of my words, I meant to say that a horn bow + arrow + longsword is still effective, not that you should do it 

Now now, I cant didacte you to change your style to adapt to mine right? Why should I be the one forced to change for roofers?

[TortoiseAndTheHare]

LOL at someone who can't tell the difference between:

-whining at someone to stop playing the game they way they do because they don't like it
-someone changing their play style to beat someone else's.

[Bobthehero]

Oh so because Tears can outkite me and kill me I should change my style, just like I should change to kill the roofers?
Nope

[Dach]

that argument will just run in infinite circle...

Both option are in the game, so DEAL WITH IT or be a whiney bitch...

Whatever suit you! 

[Bobthehero]

I'll deal with and whine about it at the same, because I am multifonctionnal

[Brrrak]

+1 for satire (on the op.)

And where the fuck are our pavises, already!? 

[Rumblood]

There is nearly as many styles as there are archers. I'm a battle archer myself, but don't expect others to do the same. My standard practice is to run out in the open field and play bull fighting with the cavalry. They come at me with their horny lances and I stand my ground till the last moment when I can release my arrow and jump out of the way, hopefully spilling a rider onto the ground for a well placed arrow into their posterior as it slides across the ground. (@lvl 30 - 15/24 5 PD 5 PS 5 Ath 8 WM - 150 WPF Archery 101 WPF 1 hander - MW Horn Bow - MW Bodkins - MW Long Espada/Iberian Mace)

My k/d is terrible as a result. But I know that what I do doesn't show up on the stats board. Horses drop like flies around me. Melee teammates within my range win a greater percentage of their duels because of all the stunned opponents they face as a result of my arrows.

So yes, it is a viable and very fun build (if you ignore the scoreboard). But don't ask the slow draw, slow running, no melee skill, pure archer builds with high PD to walk out onto the open field to plink at you.