Maps in Development

[Kong Ming]

Yeah, if you hunt around on the taleworlds forums you can find mention from people that some Mods have gone so far as to write their own new scripts to handle siege spawns instead of the Native ones.  Apparently this works much better though I don't know exactly what the change is.  Maybe some brave soul should mention this to chadz and co.  Not like they're busy or anything. 

[Airith]

Yeah, spawning is a bit strange in siege mode. In Khirin castle, I've noticed that the first spawn in new rounds is for the attackers like in battle mode (they all spawn around spawnpoint 31), and only once they are killed, one of the other spawnpoints is selected. This is not the same for defenders, though.

Also, I've noticed that in the native maps, spawnpoints are mixed, e.g. in Brunwud castle, 51 is inside the castle. So I think what the other guy wrote about the distance and calculation according to danger could well be correct, except, I think, for spawns 0 and 31, which probably signify the "defender camp" and "attacker camp". After all, how should the script be able to determine where the defender or attacker base is, if not using some entry points?

Just wanted to post: Do not try to figure out the script for how siege mode spawning works. It is a bloody mess of 500 lines of code. (You can try but that was a good many hours wasted of my life) All you have to do is place 0-31 defenders, 32-63 attackers, 66 flag. The gist of it is that it figures out 0 and 32, then all spawns that are near them, but far from the other, are now the defender/attack spawns. (Which explains the weirdness in the native maps) The script also take into account height when placing defenders... Somewhere. Just remember siege is backward from battle, 0 is defenders and 32 is attackers.

chadz was talking about rewriting the siege spawn script, but that's something that would be done way down the line from now as there are many other important things to do first.

[Warcat]

Any clue if strategus is going to have new or bigger siege maps to fit with the new siege stuff and not be so buggy? If so, do you need any more volunteers to help make/expand them?

[Infamy]

This is my map I am currently working on.  Its called Two Forts.

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The map is rather large - 42 seconds from both spawns to center bridge - so I am probably going to trim it down some before submitting it.

Let me know what you think, its basically 2 forts divided by one river and 3 crossings/bridges - rope bridge in thick forest, stone bridge in clear area(center), and a rocky clearing in a middle of thick bushes.

Thanks for input - hopefully have it submitted this weekend or so..

[Kong Ming]

Looks pretty good man, can't wait to see what it's like!

[Kung Fu Jesus]

Looks good. I do agree it seems a bit large. Its been my experience that, unfortunately, 80% of the map will not be used. Everything will likely happen at the bridge/river area. So you may want to short up either the whole thing or the sides a bit. Otherwise you have a lot of pretty, but dead, space. Thats more a personal preference though. Otherwise, I think it looks nice.

[Infamy]

Thanks for input - I am not sure if it was necessary but I put the whole map in a boundary box -  Also lightened the flora up by about 25% to increase fps, removed all particle effects except 2 - and found that I had about 30 objects floating under the map where I had elevated but didn't remove props.

I have noticed like you said Kung Fu, that on large maps people tend to focus entirely on the chokepoint/s  - not much of a worry

I am gonna tweak it a tad more and then submit it for approval.

Thanks Again

[Nasturtium]

  I need some help! I have a siege map currently in rotation on NA 100, and I cannot for the life of me figure out how to fix it. The problem is the flag, it works fine when I test it in the editor, but when it loads on the server it will not show up on the pole. Even though the faction of the defenders if swadian, a rhodok flag without a pole shows up hovering half inside a wall and cannot be captured either at the main flag or the floating one.

  The flag point is set at 66 and I did not put down any props, just the entry point. Any ideas? This is driving me nuts.

[Kung Fu Jesus]

I'm no help with that question.

I have my own though. Is there a way to make an object cause damage like walking into a fire hurts you?

[Kong Ming]

If there is I'd love to know about it.  To my knowledge, NO.

[zagibu]

  I need some help! I have a siege map currently in rotation on NA 100, and I cannot for the life of me figure out how to fix it. The problem is the flag, it works fine when I test it in the editor, but when it loads on the server it will not show up on the pole. Even though the faction of the defenders if swadian, a rhodok flag without a pole shows up hovering half inside a wall and cannot be captured either at the main flag or the floating one.

  The flag point is set at 66 and I did not put down any props, just the entry point. Any ideas? This is driving me nuts.

I'm sure you have already tried this, but delete everything, the flag, pole, entry point. Then save and rebuild using the module system. Load the map again, make sure there is no entry point 66 somewhere (scroll the list), then put down the entry point 66, save, exit, rebuild, and you should be fine.

I constantly have strange problems with entry points, and they usually get fixed if I do the above.

[Nasturtium]

Thanks for your help! I cannot use the module system since I have Vista as an OS, this has never been a problem fro me in the past. I tried going in, deleting all the points and re-placing them, so far no dice, I will give it another shot ><.

[zagibu]

You could also try changing the map to another game mode and see if there is a flag somewhere. Or maybe add it to another one of the siege slots? I've never used Kong Ming's method, so I can't really help you, there, sorry.

[Nasturtium]

I am pretty sure I figured it out! I used a hq_flag prop for a support column, since the editor is seriously lacking in random bits of lumber. I think this is the cause of all my problems. Oh happy day!

[zagibu]

Yeah, it's actually kind of strange that the dev didn't implement more generic walls, supports, ramps, etc. Glad you figured out the problem.