Long Bardiche

[Leshma]

My Great Long Axe worth twice as much looks like shit next to this thing.

Two more speed means little next to 15 length advantage.

[Leshma]

Okay since no one seems to give damn can I ask to at least make it unbalanced. It's too good for its price, do something about it. Either lessen the cut damage, or make it slower, or unbalanced, something...

Poleaxe may have much more stab damage but people rarely use stab with poleaxes/axes. If you take that into account Long Bardiche is better than Poleaxe for half it's price. Also since you nerfed agi to the ground weapon speed doesn't matter as it used to, there are many Flamberge users who don't give a damn about it's slow speed because it's not gimped as it seems when you look at stats. Nowadays, on battle server where most of us play everything is about strength and length. Either fix current str/agi balance or fix weapons like Long Bardiche which is at same time, cheap and effective as best (most expensive) weapons in class.

[Berserkadin]

Then why do you barely see anyone use the long bardiche?

[Ujin]

The weapon is perfectly balanced. At it least it doesnt have screwed up animations like GLA.

[Diomedes]

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Great Bardiche
weapon length: 116
weight: 3.3
difficulty: 18
speed rating: 89
weapon length: 116
thrust damage: 0 pierce
swing damage: 44 cut (-2)
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback
Unbalanced
Bonus against Shield

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Great Long Axe
weapon length: 125
weight: 3.5
difficulty: 16
speed rating: 91
weapon length: 125
thrust damage: 16 blunt
swing damage: 45 cut
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback
Bonus against Shield

Sorry if I'm mistaken about the weapons.  I couldn't find anything called a "Long Bardiche."  From what I can see the weapons are quite well balanced.

[Leshma]

It's polearm not two handed weapon.

Long Bardiche

weapon length: 140
weight: 3.5
difficulty: 17
speed rating: 89
weapon length: 140
thrust damage: 18 pierce
swing damage: 45 cut
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback
Bonus against Shield

Price: 6,934 gold

Then why do you barely see anyone use the long bardiche?

People are slow.

I was mistaked about demand. There were few people looking for x3 version but now can't see anyone asking for it. For some reason Panos seems to has it

[Diomedes]

Yeah, looking at the correct weapon now I agree that it should be unbalanced. 

[Cyclopsided]

unbalanced is a huge malus, even something else out.

[Phew]

I just traded my Mighty Great Long Bardiche for a Mighty Long Bardiche, and I now think I have the most versatile polearm:

Top-tier swing damage? Check (good for 1-shotting archers/duelers)
Breaks shields? Check
Adequate for dueling? Check (can actually feint)
Half the price of the top tier weapons? Check (I can bring a Long Spear and a Long Bardiche for the same upkeep as a Great Long Bardiche)
Decent thrust? Check (good enough to stun people/stab through doors in siege)

13% more swing damage than a Poleaxe for half the price, same speed and length. Not too shabby.

Please don't make it unbalanced. Just buff the shorter axes.

[Siiem]

Actually it should be unbalanced like all the other axes, kinda weird it's not already.

[zagibu]

Axes are not unbalanced. I suggest lowering its cut damage to 43 instead of making it unbalanced. If you make it unbalanced, you'd have to improve some other stats...

[Phew]

First of all, practically no one uses the Long Bardiche, so it obviously doesn't need any kind of nerf. Everyone is too busy swinging their Bec.

Second, you see WAY more Poleaxes than Long Bardiches, so obviously people value thrust damage over swing damage.

The short axes need a damage and/or speed buff, and the 2H Bardiches also need some love (add thrust?). Don't nerf a weapon practically no one uses anyway just because the GLA was over-nerfed.

[Leshma]

I must agree with you, I would like to see some other weapons buffed. Now when everyone has +14 to their armor weapons are way too weak. We need stronger weapons.

[Gorath]

Are there alot of long bardiche users on EU servers?  Cause as far as I can see I'm the only person on the NA servers carrying one most nights.  On rare occasions I've seen a player pop in with one, then later they have a bec or poleaxe.  When did the bardiche become some rampant OP weapon plaguing the servers?

[Torp]

Are there alot of long bardiche users on EU servers?  Cause as far as I can see I'm the only person on the NA servers carrying one most nights.  On rare occasions I've seen a player pop in with one, then later they have a bec or poleaxe.  When did the bardiche become some rampant OP weapon plaguing the servers?

OP and popular isn't the same even though you like to think so since that allows you to scream 'Nerf archers, buff everything i use!*