If you wear even medium armor athletics stops being worth it, thats actually how I kill people on my full str character; they expect to be able to dance circles around me in full plate just because they have 5 athletics or whatever but in reality I can keep up with them fairly well if I wear lowish armor.
If you wear even medium armor athletics stops being worth it, thats actually how I kill people on my full str character; they expect to be able to dance circles around me in full plate just because they have 5 athletics or whatever but in reality I can keep up with them fairly well if I wear lowish armor.
This is the problem with athletics that should be fixed. It's silly that agi/athletics basically gives no benefit which is why damn near EVERYONE is a str builder nowadays.
What are you, high? Enjoy turtling around, I'll be way the hell over here with my 6 ath.
Of course weight slows you down, but it does nothing to diminish the effectiveness and importance of ath. Ath/AGI helps a lot to offset those penalties.
WOW, athletics is one of the most important skills, none of the "good" players have less than 6.
Athletics is just as important as weapon master.
WOW, athletics is one of the most important skills, none of the "good" players have less than 6.well its a good fucking thing i don't walk then like the rest of those pla- peasants, i ride a horse , 2 riding = all your athletics
Athletics is just as important as weapon master.
They need to take a look at athletics. They need to buff them. Matey made a thread about it. I hope the devs are looking into it.
WaltF4 said there was a break point and I don't notice any difference with my 6 weight gear and my occasional 1,5 weight peasant gear. In native this break point was at 6 but native didnt have the x3 head armor and x2 hand armor weight calculation so the break point here should be about 7.5 but depens on your hand and head armor. If I go over this I do notice a difference but I might be biased.I'm fairly sure there is no break point for movement speed. There is no x3 head armor or x2 hand armor weight either.
I'm fairly sure there is no break point for movement speed. There is no x3 head armor or x2 hand armor weight either.Yeah your right, no breaking point, got the two completely messed up.
The break point and 3x/2x rule you're referencing is with regards to wpf reduction based on armor weight. That's a different formula altogether.
Try some real agi builds.Have, many times.
Have, many times.
They can work a little, and are really fun. However, they die in one hit from anything and take 10 to take out a strength character.
I dont understand how you str builds dont want to rip your eyes out when you move so slow. It takes so long to get to the castle in for example siege. I want to fight not travel.
WOW, athletics is one of the most important skills, none of the "good" players have less than 6.
Athletics is just as important as weapon master.
I occasionally see high athletics characters in NA and I caught myself thinking "ah, what a fun gimmick character those are...".
Canary: I'm referring to someone with 3/6/9/12 strength when I refer to gimmicky agility builds. Meanwhile a strength focused build with 12 or less agi is hugely if not more viable for many players than a balanced build.I'm of the same opinion.
Never go 0 ath with a short weapon. With minimal or 0 athletics you can still dictate the fight if you aren't gimping yourself on weapon length. A strength build can backstep, forcing the agility build to step towards him. End of fight.
or he can have a longer or equal length weapon and can't be backpeddled anyways so who cares.
I want to stress athletics & agi builds are FUN with moving around, although they are less effective when they do get to combat by a lot.
Basically it's a comparison of KILLING FASTER AND NOT DYING AS MUCH to BEING ABLE TO RUN FROM MELEE PLAYERS AND CLOSE GAPS FASTER.
Massive oversimplification. I use athletics all the time in combat movement both to get kills and avoid death.
Full str build is ok but even with my 21-18 polearm guy has 6 ath and full str guys cant touch me. i can move in and out of range and 7PS and a mighty great long axe i usually 1-2 hit most people anyway.You clearly don't play on NA. Strength builds don't have to and most don't use short weapons. They typically use long weapons and you are very much going to be in their range with a GLA. Your little step-in step-out means nothing because if they have any sense of timing they'll eat you for breakfast. You won't 1-2 hit them either, 2-6 [depending on build/armor] would be correct. Remember, they don't have to follow your girly backpeddling, and they won't. They'll insult you as you backpeddle and walk to the next enemy until you come back to fight.
with my shielder who was 15-21 before retirement 7 shield skill can take a pounding on a heavy norman and i could run to the side or behind you after you swing and spam you in the face :P
You clearly don't play on NA. Strength builds don't have to and most don't use short weapons. They typically use long weapons and you are very much going to be in their range with a GLA. Your little step-in step-out means nothing because if they have any sense of timing they'll eat you for breakfast. You won't 1-2 hit them either, 2-6 [depending on build/armor] would be correct. Remember, they don't have to follow your girly backpeddling, and they won't. They'll insult you as you backpeddle and walk to the next enemy until you come back to fight.
And yes, shielders are good to have agility on! The mobility and shield resilience is great!
However, Have fun whiffing on mid-tier medium lordly armor & gauntlets. I have an 18-18 6 PS balanced character and the glances are retarded. And it is a balanced build!
true but i dont see EU being dominated by 80% full str builds so something is different
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Well to be more elaborate than CMP... does no one on the NA server ever consider blocking?
I've always found the reasoning behind hit points going up with strength a bit sketchy at best and I certainly can't fathom how a skill can increase hit points.
Surely being able to wear heavier armour without penalty should be the main bonus for high strength characters?
Whether changing this would completely ruin the balance of the game is another matter. Just thought i'd mention it as a potential solution for those that do feel strength is overpowered compared to agility. I haven't played enough extreme character builds to judge for myself
i dont understand why you guys are all glancing so much with 1h. i have 15str on my 1h builds and i hardly ever bounce. aim for the head and what weapons are you using? ive used NCS and iberian mace and im using the military cleaver and i very rarely ever glance
Ahahahahahaah I do I do play on a mac! :lol: :lol: :lol:
+1 good sir, very well done!
I use a 2x heirloomed military cleaver or a 1x heirloomed langes messer and I glance off everything until 18 str / 6 PS and even then I glance ALOT still.
odd. are you fighting plate guys or trans? i didnt go above 5 ps 15 str last gen and i killing loads
Tons of plate guys. Those are the only ones worth noting on the field really.Tons of plate guys, everyone who isn't in plate has an xbow or is a dedicated archer/shielder.
Tons of plate guys, everyone who isn't in plate has an xbow or is a dedicated archer/shielder.
Agility based non-shielder characters would be a disgusting nightmare to play on NA. you would usually not make it to the fight because of the xbows, andif you did finally you'd be onehit by any str melee character.
I watched some garbage player, and I mean BAD player, walking up and not stop left clicking. He didn't even try to block, he killed 6 people as soon as they glanced because his swings completed and he took 7 long bow shots and 3 bec swipes before he finally went down.
That is an every map kind of thing, that just impressed me because of how many longbow shots it took from a 7 PD archer... it meant he had lordly milanese. That was it.
Yup. This is the state of the NA servers and the ranged spammitude contained within them (along with the consequences of that ranged spammitude). This is also why the amount of glances are OBSCENE, at least in my experience. Since I'm not a pure STR stacker I can pretty much guarantee that I will have to block 3-4x the amount of my opponent just to break even, and if I fuck up once I'll get 1-shotted.
It'd be nice if the 6 athletics I had allowed me to move faster than the STR guys as it pertains to footwork in combat and not just jogging across the field. Ah well.
How strange. I'm an 18/18 shielder and I usually go blow for blow on the blocks as soon as I close the gap, and generally take down plate users in just a few hits. I mostly only get glances with bad angles, though there is the occasional random bounce, especially against loomed armour.
I also have zero IF and hardly ever get oneshotted; even full STR players usually need two hits, and I only wear heavy mail.
But it does. Oh, how it does.
You have all the duelers you need on NA duel Marathon!Nooo, this is to prove a point to EU about athletics and agility! I can duel cyranule any day and win 1 out of 10 fights due to me making subtle, very subtle mistakes such as swinging left when I meant right. What a learning experience every fight is.
indeed athletics makes things easier but i can duel just as well with 2 than 6, just have to adapt to your current style and move accordinglythat is the point of this thread.
Well I do fine with 3 ath but I suspect running faster would help with the speed bonus linked to stabbing in the face.less than your power strike helps. You have 10 or 11 PS?
I keep going to the Eu3 duel server with 200 ping trying to duel the better players when I can find them. I apparently have yet to run into them because I keep fighting a bunch of people who can't footwork a damn and keep dying while trying to circle spam me -- but do it wrong and don't block? I must be missing the hours better players warm up on the eu duel server. Going 7-1 against assumedly new players trying to get better isn't any fun.
You guys need a memo saying "holding the S key is a bad idea in duels" or something on the eu duel server, seriously. Holding the S key or holding A or D and trying to circle exclusively is not conducive to learning how to properly block or footwork.
I'm not even good by NA duelist standards.
I'll keep stopping by on random instant level 30s though. blocks not working due to ping ruins the fun though. Dying exclusively due to ping makes me sad.