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cRPG => Announcements => Topic started by: chadz on January 10, 2011, 02:31:53 am
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i am proud to announce that I will have to steal some of your heirlooms.
As a tradeoff, you will be allowed to respec those.
The reason is that there are too many floating around, and I want to make heirlooms very special, and have some further secret plans with em that only work if they are rare. The old retiring was way too abusable.
So, what will happen:
your amount of positive modifiers gets summed up, divided by 3, the result is rounded up. You can use those points to increase any weapon you want.
Hope you understand.
Comrade chadz.
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So I will have 2 heirlooms. I can live with this.
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I has many chars....is gonna take me LONG to find all the heirlooms...
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Oh good, I get to get one heirloom(again)!
Time to laugh at all the whiners now! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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What are positive modifiers?
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I think he means every time you heirloomed one thing, it counts as +1. Man i should have retired before the patch, that would have given me 5. :?
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Sound good, heirloomed stuff being very special is a good thing I guess.
You can use those points to increase any weapon you want.
It´s not really gonna be weapon only right?
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Not only that, but it's limited to weapons that have the word "club" or "wooden" in it.
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chadzy can post an announcement when its happend, so I can troll through my chars and get my modifiers? Also, I take it that when you take, say, a Deadly War Spear away, you will leave the player a normal War Spear?
Also, can we have a light, fast, wooden 2h club/bokken, 22 b swing dmg, knockdown, around 1.5k, I just feel that 2h are missing anything in that area.
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Not only that, but it's limited to weapons that have the word "club" or "wooden" in it.
That would have been awesome.
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I'm not happy about this tbh, my highest lvl char will be ruined :/, 2 modifers become 1.
Will my gen 3 character with 0 hierlooms get anything?
some of us foolishly sold our hierlooms when we thought upkeep would be too much because you didn't tell us that hierlooms dont have extra upkeep cost like you would presume.
anyway if everyone is rechoosing what type of hierloom they get it shouldn't matter at all anyway.
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Comrade chadz.
I see you have read all those threads on your communistic approach adopted in patch. :lol:
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I sold many heirlooms before patch, I used to pick an expensive item I owned but didnt use much, Heirloom that, then sell it after retire for more cash. So most of my chars are lucky to have ONE heirloom at all :P
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I see you have read all those threads on your communistic approach adopted in patch. :lol:
Communism WOULD be great, but right now its more like USSR under Stalin XD
IM JOKING TROLLING chadz
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shiny
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chadz, will we be able to use our cRPG heirloomed weapons in strategus fights wiht the upcoming changes? Because then it would be more worthwhile.
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Does this mean that something in the way of heirlooming an item while retiring will change? Obviously now you can with ease make 8.7 milion exp points a week so the rarity of heirlooms would be very temporary.
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^only if you have no life, and that which has no life cannot be killed or stopped from getting 100's of hierlooms anyway
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I appreciate your concern tho frankly a lot of the players went half the way over the last five days. Don't you take my previous question as a suggestion - I am just speculating because I feel we should all know in advance if something is going to change in this matter.
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any item, of course
Hopefully this means 'any item', considering I want to heirloom my torch. I'm sure there's plenty of people who want heirloomed stones, as well.
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People sold their heirlooms? :shock: How hard up for gold are you? Because I've got some chores around the house you could help me with.
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i sold my thick mail and plate when the patch came out so i have 2 other heirlooms >.< wouldnt have mattered right? 3/3 is 1 and 2/3 is 1 :D right? D:
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I am kinda hoping katanas will be one the SPECIAL items that will remain heirloomed, if thats whats gonna happen, cause I got a gen 4 whos only heirloom is a tempered katana, the rest I sold long long before patch, so I could buy shiney things and play with them.
EDIT: Troll points, are they good or bad?
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EDIT: Troll points, are they good or bad?
Troll points, wether good or bad is a matter of personal point of view.
But objectively - they do not matter at all.
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That feels bad, i sold all my heirlooms, as i wasnt able to upkeep them. What now?
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That feels bad, i sold all my heirlooms, as i wasnt able to upkeep them. What now?
Yes I also did the same thing and sold a couple of my heirlooms. I am hoping the new heirloom deal will be based on generation of character and not how many heirloom items you still have in your possession.
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Does it have any affect on the "level" of the heirloom. I mean if someone has a danish greatsword that' been heirloomed three times.
Really it doesn't matter for me. Only got one heirloom anyway
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Does it have any affect on the "level" of the heirloom. I mean if someone has a danish greatsword that' been heirloomed three times.
Really it doesn't matter for me. Only got one heirloom anyway
The way I understand it is the 3 heirlooms on the weapon would count as 3 positive modifers. 1/3 of 3 is 1, so you would get 1 heirloom point towards a new one.
Yes I also did the same thing and sold a couple of my heirlooms. I am hoping the new heirloom deal will be based on generation of character and not how many heirloom items you still have in your possession.
That would probably be the simplest way to do it. I'm hoping for it too, since I sold some heirlooms, thinking that level 30 would be the retire point, and cleaning out things I probably wouldn't use anymore.
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I wasted all my heirlooms and am always looking at stuff wishing I had done that instead of the ones I made so cool
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Hate you!
Any chance of giving respec to characters possessing heirlooms, or is the idea that we just re-heirloom item in the same class? I would really like to change my Masterwork Tears to a superduper pike, but the guy is already specced to 2h.
Alternatively allow heirloom (and gen) transfer from one char to another so I can just have my pikeman alt become the heirloom-hero. The first option is a lot easier though.
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without hereditary wpf one retirement will change you from 2h to pike forever Vargas, plus you'll get another heirloom, add that to the respecing of your current heirlooms you're gonna get and your 2h main becomes your pike main
me too!
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hmm, ill probably get rid of the german greatsword then
the only reason i kept it was for the massive thrust dmg which the masterwork status gives. guess ill go for an awlpike. a twice heirloomed awlpike should be worth something.
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I can live with that, still I think this is unfair. A char generation 4 which used to have for instance a Masterwork 1h Sword now gets a Balanced one (so its 3/3=1). A char generation 2 which had a balanced 1h weapon also gets a balanced (1/3=0,33) round up = 1.
I don't wanna live without my baby masterwork NCS :(
Any ideas about that?
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without hereditary wpf one retirement will change you from 2h to pike forever Vargas, plus you'll get another heirloom, add that to the respecing of your current heirlooms you're gonna get and your 2h main becomes your pike main
me too!
Sure, but from chadz's post I assume that something is going to happen to retirement so it might not work just like that. And even if it was simple as that, it's not working yet. I wanna play now!
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Yum.
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cmon divide it by 2 ^^
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Yep, divide it by two!
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Well, fuck me then. I sold all my heirlooms except one... :(
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1/3=1 right! :wink:
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when exactly will it happen?
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1/3=1 right! :wink:
Yes if you round up ;)
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Hm... this means I'll still get 3 heirlooms. Difficult decision then, Armor or Weapon? hmm.
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get back 4 heirlooms and i have a retirement rdy to go when it launches, im good. thinking lordly chest piece again and two into my weapon.
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I dont understand nothing but I think I cant get worse. :rolleyes:
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chadz, will we be able to use our cRPG heirloomed weapons in strategus fights wiht the upcoming changes? Because then it would be more worthwhile.
I hope we won't, that would seriously breaks strategus balance turning it again to grindcore
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I´d also love to know if you base the refund on generation ;)
Have sold mine too ;)
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THANK YOU. I am looking forward to this.
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same about some loomed plate.
so better do based on gen.
also, we removed equip difference
removed lev difference
removed wpf difference
now removing looming stuff
for what old player played 5 months as paesant retiring shitload of times? just to get ass fuckeD??
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Those players had their time.
Some people just don't get it! It's like they somehow got cable TV for free for some months, then they got cought and have to pay for it, and all they do is to complain about what happened to their cable TV for free!
If your build is impossible to play after the patch, it was unfair. Instead of complaining you should rather apologize for having used it. You were never supposed to have such builds, it was just a balancing issue which was persistent too long! :?
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Will I finally be able to heirloom my stones? Been wanting to it for ages.
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when will this happend?
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You will never get bigger stones Warcat. Yours just aint potent enough..
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Stones should already be heirloomable(?). That is, if retirement would work.
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So basicly how rare will heirloom be now? like 1 per 2 retirements or what?
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Yep, divide it by two!
I agree. Dividing by 2 would feel less like a punishment. On the other hand, that would give those 15th gens out there 8 heirlooms. So I suppose /3 is good. Any idea when this will be happening chadz?
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Am I understanding this right? I am Gen 6. Am I going from 5 heirlooms to 2? A Gen 6 character can't even have 1 Masterwork item? Are heirloomed items going to become more powerful to compensate? I'm not worried about my alts as they're all only Gen 1 or 2, but I feel my main is losing a whole lot with this. I didn't pay 75 gold under the old retirement system for nothing. Or did I? This effectively takes away every single benefit from retiring prepatch, except for bonus XP, which I can only assume is on the chopping block next.
I do have a little faith that there's some kind of benefit in all this that isn't being mentioned, but I really feel like a lot is being taken away here.
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I'd suggest dividing by 2. That's fair and a lot less harsh. But that's just me.
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I suggest dividing by 4!
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I suggest dividing by 4!
I second it.
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i suggest a soft cap.
what you do is, everything below 6 you divide by 2. Everything above you divide by 3. Everything above 12 GOES AWAY.
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i suggest a soft cap.
what you do is, everything below 6 you divide by 2. Everything above you divide by 3. Everything above 12 GOES AWAY.
I was actually about to suggest something similar.. Divide by 2, with a cap of 4 heirlooms.
Honestly, you really only need to really punish the people that KNEW they were abusing the system. Gen 5 or 6 really get bashed with the /3 :(
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devide by 2.5!
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I'm ok with this as long as people who lose heirlooms get a free WPF respec. My Deadly German Poleaxe will be gone, but I would like a balanced 2H instead and can't have it as long as all my WPF is in polearms.
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i suggest a soft cap.
what you do is, everything below 6 you divide by 2. Everything above you divide by 3. Everything above 12 GOES AWAY.
Don't hate Kesh so much :P
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I can amalgamate my 5 once-heirloomed items into 1 twice-heirloomed item? Sounds good to me.
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ouch ouch...that hurts. divide by 2
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ouch ouch...that hurts. divide by 2
Divide by zero!!!
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FLAAAAAAAMEEEEE
RAAAAGEEEEE
i hate you :evil:
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I'm fine with 3, but 2 would definately be better :D.
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2 would be really cool
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Divide by zero!!!
infinite number = 0 in this game :D
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You can use those points to increase any weapon you want.
I hope these points are not stackable. Somebody with 9 positve modifiers could get +3 speed for example on scimitar, phew.
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I hope these points are not stackable. Somebody with 9 positve modifiers could get +3 speed for example on scimitar, phew.
And what would be wrong with this, if he looses in addition 6 other points (means two further weapons with +3 for example...)
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And what would be wrong with this, if he looses in addition 6 other points (means two further weapons with +3 for example...)
Will an +3-4 modifier easy doable with heirlooms? If so, nothing is wrong. If not, hardcore prepatch heirloomer could make now unique, powerfull weapons that no other can have, very wrong I think.
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Oh shit.
I sold 1 heirloom, only have 5 left.
Wait... It doesn't make a difference! I still get 2 heirloom modifiers to play around with. So no more OP 1h axe + OP 1h sword I guess...
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I was actually about to suggest something similar.. Divide by 2, with a cap of 4 heirlooms.
Honestly, you really only need to really punish the people that KNEW they were abusing the system. Gen 5 or 6 really get bashed with the /3 :(
yeah this. making people with 3 have 1 isn't going to make them rare when people with 15 will still have 5. dividing by 3 is a silly. (but then I cant help but be bias)
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i think you should reset all ttributes, skills and wpf as many people would like to remake their chars now
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i am proud to announce that I will have to steal some of your heirlooms.
As a tradeoff, you will be allowed to respec those.
The reason is that there are too many floating around, and I want to make heirlooms very special, and have some further secret plans with em that only work if they are rare. The old retiring was way too abusable.
So, what will happen:
your amount of positive modifiers gets summed up, divided by 3, the result is rounded up. You can use those points to increase any weapon you want.
Hope you understand.
Comrade chadz.
I think a lot of people missed the glowing section in the above quote.
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i suggest a soft cap.
what you do is, everything below 6 you divide by 2. Everything above you divide by 3. Everything above 12 GOES AWAY.
This would be funny.
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hate you chadz :shock:
with my main char as an example gen 9.
Balanced shortened spear (+1)
Balanced dagger (+1) - yay i can finally get rid of this thing??
Lordly brigandine (+3)
Deadly pike (+2)
Powerful Morningstar (+2)
this gives me +9 so would allow a +3 to a new heirloom? btw i tested inheriting items from an already retired character ages ago with the balanced shortened spear and reported it to you & wooki, that why i have 1 extra heirloom item.
I'd like to heirloom length onto my pike pretty please :P
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Divide by 2, with a cap of 4 heirlooms.
I could get behind this idea. +1
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Aww cwap. My balanced nordic sword. :cry:
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i suggest a soft cap.
what you do is, everything below 6 you divide by 2. Everything above you divide by 3. Everything above 12 GOES AWAY.
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I think a lot of people missed the glowing section in the above quote.
I think most people followed that just fine.. 1, 2, 3rd gen would get 1.. 4, 5, 6th would get 2.. and so on.
While I agree with the notion that cutting back on heirloomed items is a good idea, people on the 3rd, 6th, 9th.. (x3's) are unduly punished as they get nothing from an extra 2 retirements. Which is why I support only dividing by 2. Only 1 retirement is really "worthless" instead of possibly 2, and isn't so big of a kick in the teeth. And like I mentioned above, a cap on the maximum you can have should be implemented as well, as anyone with 9+ gens was simply exploiting the previous system..
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Hope you understand.
Comrade chadz.
Da Comrade chadz, for the greater good!
I also hope you take my idea into consideration to share experience among the players equally so the capitalist scum don't take it all!
Yours,
Comrade Tuonela of Soviet chadz Republic
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I think most people followed that just fine.. 1, 2, 3rd gen would get 1.. 4, 5, 6th would get 2.. and so on.
While I agree with the notion that cutting back on heirloomed items is a good idea, people on the 3rd, 6th, 9th.. (x3's) are unduly punished as they get nothing from an extra 2 retirements. Which is why I support only dividing by 2. Only 1 retirement is really "worthless" instead of possibly 2, and isn't so big of a kick in the teeth. And like I mentioned above, a cap on the maximum you can have should be implemented as well, as anyone with 9+ gens was simply exploiting the previous system..
Actualy 4th gen will still get one item because they've only got 3 heirlooms and 1st gen gets nothing :rolleyes:
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Actualy 4th gen will still get one item because they've only got 3 heirlooms and 1st gen gets nothing :rolleyes:
True that. :o
I meant 1st, 2nd, 3rd, yada, RETIREMENT.. not "gen"
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i suggest a soft cap.
what you do is, everything below 6 you divide by 2. Everything above you divide by 3. Everything above 12 GOES AWAY.
This doesn't work. This makes you get more heirlooms at 5th gen than at 7th. The previous suggestion of dividing by 2, with a max cap of 4 heirlooms is better, imo.
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I think most people followed that just fine.. 1, 2, 3rd gen would get 1.. 4, 5, 6th would get 2.. and so on.
While I agree with the notion that cutting back on heirloomed items is a good idea, people on the 3rd, 6th, 9th.. (x3's) are unduly punished as they get nothing from an extra 2 retirements. Which is why I support only dividing by 2. Only 1 retirement is really "worthless" instead of possibly 2, and isn't so big of a kick in the teeth. And like I mentioned above, a cap on the maximum you can have should be implemented as well, as anyone with 9+ gens was simply exploiting the previous system..
That's kinda the whole point in chadz post where he said retirement was too exploitable. Retiring was super easy in the old game, you just wait a week, hardly play at all, and then retire. Now it will take much more effort since you need to make it to 31. No one is getting screwed by the 1/3. If you retired on gen 4 or 7 for instance you make out a bit better when compared to 6 or 8, but it's not like retiring was especially hard before. Much better to do this than to totally screw over any new players since it is much much much harder to get one in the new patch.
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Just remove 'em all. Then give EVERYONE one, just so the new guys can see what it's like. Bye bye multi stacks of heirlooms, hello even ground. For the people that retired 12 times, etc., at least you got the modifier to xp bonus, and got to play with a super character for a while. It's a game, you had fun, we all win.
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goddamn communist
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i only ever used tempered flamberge anyway - i was going to increase this now it no longer has a speed increase tho
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Just remove 'em all. Then give EVERYONE one, just so the new guys can see what it's like. Bye bye multi stacks of heirlooms, hello even ground. For the people that retired 12 times, etc., at least you got the modifier to xp bonus, and got to play with a super character for a while. It's a game, you had fun, we all win.
+1 :wink:
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Take mine and please transfer my heirloom points to my practice sword (the 1her variety). TY.
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Maybe its just me.. but some people seem to think an heirloomed weapon gives you some kinda massive advantage..
Who do you think is stronger, a Lvl 30 with 9 heirloomed modifiers, or a 1st gen Lvl 40?
Let me give you a hint.. its not the lvl 30
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My lordly plate, gone...
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Just remove 'em all. Then give EVERYONE one, just so the new guys can see what it's like. Bye bye multi stacks of heirlooms, hello even ground. For the people that retired 12 times, etc., at least you got the modifier to xp bonus, and got to play with a super character for a while. It's a game, you had fun, we all win.
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Wait, so with only 1 heirloom I get NOTHING?
Ok, you are right, I hate you right now.It will settle, but right now I hate you.
/edit: NVM, I should l2r.Rounded up.That means I still keep my Heavy steppe horse I hope....
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Maybe its just me.. but some people seem to think an heirloomed weapon gives you some kinda massive advantage..
Who do you think is stronger, a Lvl 30 with 9 heirloomed modifiers, or a 1st gen Lvl 40?
Let me give you a hint.. its not the lvl 30
A level 30 with 9 heirloomed modifiers, because a level 40 is no longer attainable in the realm of mortal humans. Good luck even getting to level 35. Kesh before the patch would have been level 34 if his level was calculated according to the new xp figures. I'm pretty sure you didn't have in excess of roughly 70 million xp.
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Wait, so with only 1 heirloom I get NOTHING?
Who said that? :|
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i am proud to announce that I will have to steal some of your heirlooms.
As a tradeoff, you will be allowed to respec those.
The reason is that there are too many floating around, and I want to make heirlooms very special, and have some further secret plans with em that only work if they are rare. The old retiring was way too abusable.
So, what will happen:
your amount of positive modifiers gets summed up, divided by 3, the result is rounded up. You can use those points to increase any weapon you want.
Hope you understand.
Comrade chadz.
seriously chadz with all the nerfs and patch and stuff , you should do a reset instead of tweaks , i prefer losing all than to lose bits by bits
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seriously chadz with all the nerfs and patch and stuff , you should do a reset instead of tweaks , i prefer losing all than to lose bits by bits
yea i play alot if ur going to do something drastic lets have it
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my xbox is useless now, what a waste of wpf points... im changing class
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my xbox is useless now, what a waste of wpf points... im changing class
Xbox? lolz... Is that geekproficiency?
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Xbox? lolz... Is that geekproficiency?
Everyone knows what he meant. Xbows have been nerfed into the ground, and it's stupid. Cry-babies will have us all using nerf bats that do 1 damage eventually.
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bad news, i'd remove all heirloomed items including stat boosts for chars completely. but still better than nothing.
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ok so I am 4th Gen and I have a masterwork long espada eslavona, What does that get me exactly?
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ok so I am 4th Gen and I have a masterwork long espada eslavona, What does that get me exactly?
It would give you 2 heirlooms. So you could have a double heirloomed espada, or you could pick other items to heirloom.
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It would give you 2 heirlooms. So you could have a double heirloomed espada, or you could pick other items to heirloom.
Wrong, 4th gen is +3 MODIFIER.
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ok so I am 4th Gen and I have a masterwork long espada eslavona, What does that get me exactly?
you get a lovely tempered eslavona :D
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Wrong, 4th gen is +3 MODIFIER.
I stand corrected. My brain malfunctioned and I was working off of +4 modifier, not 4th gen. I apologize.
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I for one am grateful for the heirloom issue being quickly addressed, with an eye toward a balanced battlefield. :D
Onward now, I say, onto bloodsoaked battlefields, let the crushed skulls litter our path as we reap death and destruction onto any who stand in our way. Onward onto searing glory!
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you get a lovely tempered eslavona :D
Now im peeved, well I guess Ill get a balanced side sword since it is a bad ass mother post patch
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HAIL COMRADE
JOSEF chadzDIMAN THE STALIN OMNIPITENT :rolleyes:
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A filthy band of peasants, lead by Fasader, has attempted to steal your precious heirloomed items. However, you woke up and were able to save1. Which ones?
Why I can save only 1 item ? I got Retirement 3 times and have Exeptional Siege Crossbow and now I have only Well Made Siege Crossbow
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A filthy band of peasants, lead by Fasader, has attempted to steal your precious heirloomed items. However, you woke up and were able to save1. Which ones?
Why I can save only 1 item ? I got Retirement 3 times and have Exeptional Siege Crossbow and now I have only Well Made Siege Crossbow
Which will probably cost 20k soon :P
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A filthy band of peasants, lead by Fasader, has attempted to steal your precious heirloomed items. However, you woke up and were able to save1. Which ones?
Why I can save only 1 item ? I got Retirement 3 times and have Exeptional Siege Crossbow and now I have only Well Made Siege Crossbow
Did you actually read any of the posts in this thread? Particularly the first one, or even the title? There are some hints there, if you look hard enough.
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It would give you 2 heirlooms. So you could have a double heirloomed espada, or you could pick other items to heirloom.
4th generation means 3 heirlooms, you start at 1 and you dont have a free heirloom at start
btw there is no sell option, just drop option now *yay*
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Oh god, it happened. They're gone!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5R_pS0h5Qk
(I am at least happy that I got to switch some heirlooms around, and sell a weapon I no longer use)
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im gen5 had a twice heirloomed longsword. heirloomed arrows and heirloomed gauntlets and just got one to choose..so it seems its rounded down :(
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I'm gen 4 and only got 1 heirloom :( They took the thickness from Village_Elder's robe!
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When i press drop and equipment gone without bringing me money! WTF! Then why would i drop an item?
Also i cannot use my heirloom in-game.
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When i press drop and equipment gone without bringing me money! WTF! Then why would i drop an item?
To get rid of it?
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i have na idea
shouldn't you just get couple of "retirement points" when you retire and these point could be spent on retirement. so far everything is as before, but the difference is that each weapon (according to the price) would cost different ammount of retirement points. so cheaper weapon could be retired more times. maybe this could bring some variety into retirements so that not everybody would be modifying his ultimate weapon.
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i have na idea
shouldn't you just get couple of "retirement points" when you retire and these point could be spent on retirement. so far everything is as before, but the difference is that each weapon (according to the price) would cost different ammount of retirement points. so cheaper weapon could be retired more times. maybe this could bring some variety into retirements so that not everybody would be modifying his ultimate weapon.
And then you'd have a retirement store, where you could buy tier 1 hierloomed weps for 1 retirement point. And 1 attribute point ( or 2 skill points so you can convert) for 1 retirement point, or 5 retirement points. So the current gen 16 lads would have an extra 3attribute points to put somewhere.
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what just happened? I recieved 2 modifier points, and I went o make my side sword balanced to see the stats, and it put both points into the side sword making it a tempered,
now what?
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You get 1 heirloom for every 3, so gen 4 is the worst.. you get 1 heirloom, same as a gen2 char
i have a gen 4 also
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I got 3 and I have no idea wwhich I should do
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Why do i have zero if I'm gen2?
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im gen5 had a twice heirloomed longsword. heirloomed arrows and heirloomed gauntlets and just got one to choose..so it seems its rounded down :(
I'm gen 8 and only got 2 heirlooms now... :cry:
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Gen 4 and only 1 heirloom left but I'm fine with it, heirlooms shouldn't be so common, especially tier 3 ones.
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Someone said something about modifiers being cumulative. Well, they are not.
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Shit so you can't see what stats it will get before you select it?
You just gotta select it and deal with it :(
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Anyone tried this? Is it worth it? :lol:
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There are certain people who are arguing this compensation for heirloomed items should be gen based because they sold them.
However, it hardly seems fair that they enjoyed the cash they got from this unless they are all willing to pay it back?
God, they sound like bankers with their bonuses!
And no, I don't want em to pay it back, cos then they'd be like whinging students about tuition fees and there'll be some argument that they can't pay it back until they can achieve a particular level of K/D ratio.
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There are certain people who are arguing this compensation for heirloomed items should be gen based because they sold them.
However, it hardly seems fair that they enjoyed the cash they got from this unless they are all willing to pay it back?
God, they sound like bankers with their bonuses!
And no, I don't want em to pay it back, cos then they'd be like whinging students about tuition fees and there'll be some argument that they can't pay it back until they can achieve a particular level of K/D ratio.
They should be thankful they didn't wake up in a cage at Irenicus's crib with Khalid and Dynaheir dead.
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There are certain people who are arguing this compensation for heirloomed items should be gen based because they sold them.
However, it hardly seems fair that they enjoyed the cash they got from this unless they are all willing to pay it back?
What about the people that sold their heirlooms because they changed the database to only allow one item of each type, even if one was heirloomed.
I had to sell my heirloomed warbow because I was unable to use a regular one.
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So will heirlooming an item have any effect on its price? I want to make sure if I heirloom my Flamberge or Throwing Lances they arn't going to become unusable due to upkeep.
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I have the eyecandy script active but I don't see how to get back my heirloomed items, it doesn't say anything about a "thieves" or anything on my main? But on my Eskimo alt it does.
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So will heirlooming an item have any effect on its price? I want to make sure if I heirloom my Flamberge or Throwing Lances they arn't going to become unusable due to upkeep.
Yeah it does and it sucks :evil:
My longsword got doubled in price when i heirloomed it once! :mad:
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Upkeep is NOT affected by heirlooming.
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It isn't? I just noticed that ingame it said it cost about 6k and thought it automatically calculated the upkeep by taking the 5% of the price. My bad then :rolleyes:
Oh and why such a duchy reply? I just thought that's how it was. You donøt have to hate on me like I was saying something totally out of order.
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It isn't? I just noticed that ingame it said it cost about 6k and thought it automatically calculated the upkeep by taking the 5% of the price. My bad then :rolleyes:
Oh and why such a duchy reply? I just thought that's how it was. You donøt have to hate on me like I was saying something totally out of order.
This has been repeated over and over in several threads across this forum. I apologize if my post came off as hostile; I simply wanted to make a point. Previous post has been modified to be straight to the point. Since people still don't know about upkeep and heirlooms, I thought I'd make it a tad bit easier for them to find this info. You know, with large, red font.
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Well for me it did. Also I haven't noticed it even though I've been in lots of threads about the patch and stuff. But nice with the clear answer. People won't be in doubt then :wink:
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There are certain people who are arguing this compensation for heirloomed items should be gen based because they sold them.
However, it hardly seems fair that they enjoyed the cash they got from this unless they are all willing to pay it back?
God, they sound like bankers with their bonuses!
And no, I don't want em to pay it back, cos then they'd be like whinging students about tuition fees and there'll be some argument that they can't pay it back until they can achieve a particular level of K/D ratio.
Considering how much retirement cost me to get to gen 8, i think that the tiny amount i got for selling a heirloomed Bec is no benefit at all.
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Considering how much retirement cost me to get to gen 8, i think that the tiny amount i got for selling a heirloomed Bec is no benefit at all.
This.
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I suppose this is a way to punish those with "deeerp" moments and sold their heirlooms :(
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Well, chadz obviously wanted to reduce the amount of heirlooms sifnificantly. So your sold heirlooms fit in perfectly into his plan. And now you want them back. Because you sold them, what nobody has forced you to.
I understand you feel pissed off now, but to be honest: it's you own fault. Why would one sell his heirloom? Already pre patch they were very valuable :?
(Not meant to troll you, just saying...)
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And now you want them back. Because you sold them, what nobody has forced you to.
I understand you feel pissed off now, but to be honest: it's you own fault. Why would one sell his heirloom?
I kinda sold them because I wanted to try out different classes... not everyone want a million different alts to level up. Allso When I found out that I would not want to play this/that build I sold the shit. Because.
A) I didn't really think it would matter any more
B) Because I'm an idiot
C) So I can come here and whine on fasader for dooing something I disagree with
D) You ARE trolling.
E) This is not professional game developers and sometimes they make careless decisions
F) I'm a troll who cares not a jot
G) Referring to e, maybe we can make them change their minds (highly unlikely, donkeys are stubborn creatures and will never admit to a mistake)
H) If I sold heirlooms and chadz planned it, then his idea of heirlooms was flawed to begin with
I) He could use the generation count to summarize how many picks you get instead of how many heirlooms you have in your inventory
Pick a alternative, doesn't really matter.
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Well, if chadz didn't want to reduce the amount of heirlooms I would have said he should have used the generation instead of the actual heirloom amount, although this would have meant an ADVANTAGE for those people having sold their heirlooms. :?
In short my statement is: stop complaining, it was you who sold your heirlooms, noone else.
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What about making them able to pay the amount they got from the heirloomed item they sold in exchange for possibly receiving a modifier (following the /3 rounded up rule) ?
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Well, if chadz didn't want to reduce the amount of heirlooms I would have said he should have used the generation instead of the actual heirloom amount, although this would have meant an ADVANTAGE for those people having sold their heirlooms. :?
In short my statement is: stop complaining, it was you who sold your heirlooms, noone else.
Ultimatums, only the sith deals in absolutes.
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The reason is that there are too many floating around, and I want to make heirlooms very special, and have some further secret plans with em that only work if they are rare. The old retiring was way too abusable.
mh, just read those lines again and when I think of the threads and ingame talk about what to heirloom next and what gen some are I come to the sophisticated conclusion: Failed! :P
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It is rather funny that the more dedicated players can retire faster now than they could pre-patch.
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Gonna get reamed for this suggestion, I'm sure, but here goes. If you really want heirlooms to be special, it's not the first tier of them that does any good, it's the higher tier ones. The ones that gen 11's can get every week or so. How about inverting the gen bonus? First Gen is the fastest to get to retirement, and it slows down a bit every gen after it. This would have the effect of seeing a few more tempered or heavies than now, but masterworks and balanced, etc would become rarer and more special.
So a gen 1 would be able to get an heirloom quicker, but in exchange for the advantage of it, you take a bit longer to get to retirement with bonus, and even more powerful gear.
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Yep, agreed with Kophka. It doesn't make much sense that after gen10+ you can retire every few days, and then at 20+ every day... won't take long until we start seeing level 37s+ with fully heirloomed gear.
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Yep, agreed with Kophka. It doesn't make much sense that after gen10+ you can retire every few days, and then at 20+ every day... won't take long until we start seeing level 37s+ with fully heirloomed gear.
solution; make bonusses go down.
first gen = 15 % bonus
Second gen = 10 % bonus
third gen = 8% bonus
fourth gen = 7% bonus
dont start trolling about the numbers, just come with feedback on the idea please
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There should have been no gen-xp bonus in the first place.
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Why not keep retirement the way it currently is, only impose a time limit on the retirement, like there used to be.
for example:
they still keep all of the current perks of retirement, but can only retire once every 2 weeks.
So even with an XP bonus, they are simply able to get to the higher tier characters faster per retirement, but cant retire until the time cap is up. So they will hit 31 well before they can retire, and can play with that char for a while even hitting 32 possibly. or let him sit and use a secondary char while waiting for the time limit to expire.
This will pace out the heirlooming a bit more than the frentic race that gen 10+ characters can pump them out.
And since heirloom trading will be in the works, those gen10+ guys are pretty much just masterwork farmers at this point, and will be able to distribute advantages to whomever they wish. thats not really in the spirit of the system as I understand it...
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Gonna get reamed for this suggestion, I'm sure, but here goes. If you really want heirlooms to be special, it's not the first tier of them that does any good, it's the higher tier ones. The ones that gen 11's can get every week or so. How about inverting the gen bonus? First Gen is the fastest to get to retirement, and it slows down a bit every gen after it. This would have the effect of seeing a few more tempered or heavies than now, but masterworks and balanced, etc would become rarer and more special.
So a gen 1 would be able to get an heirloom quicker, but in exchange for the advantage of it, you take a bit longer to get to retirement with bonus, and even more powerful gear.
Making the retirement system too unappealing removes the reason it was implemented in the first place. You have to remember that the majority of players can only retire once every few weeks. This change you propose would make getting a masterwork for casual players basically impossible, and most would opt out of retiring, as the grind just would not be worth it (currently it's a long-term investment into the game, this change would actually make it the opposite).
Yep, agreed with Kophka. It doesn't make much sense that after gen10+ you can retire every few days, and then at 20+ every day... won't take long until we start seeing level 37s+ with fully heirloomed gear.
I already know quite a few players who wear fully loomed gear, their gear was fully loomed pre-theft as well, post-theft it just took them a while to re-gather what they lost. And considering the exp system is exponential, seeing anyone even at level 34 is completely unrealistic.
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And considering the exp system is exponential, seeing anyone even at level 34 is completely unrealistic.
miley is level 33 right now, gen 1
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I totally agree with Kophka.
This change you propose would make getting a masterwork for casual players basically impossible, and most would opt out of retiring
I don't see that as a problem.
The xp penalties, if any, would have to be tought out carefully as this would make grinding to >31 a viable option. It might make more sense to increase the xp required to retire rather than the xp income.
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Uh Kesh makes like 8m exp a day.. So balton, retract those words.
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The exp being exponential makes any level above ~36 basicly unreachable (the fastest route takes dozens of retirements)
But still it's weird you can retire faster the second time.
So what could be a nice thing would be :
Higher xp bonus for early retirements
going down to tiny amount for higher generations
Let me explain a little further :
The base minute xp gain is 1000 xp
Retiring once could give you 14% more (1140 xp per tick)
The second time could give 13% more of what you were winning at the previous gen. (1270 xp per tick)
The third gen gives 12% more bonus (1390 xp per tick)
and so on
gen 04 - 11% - 1500 xp
gen 05 - 10% - 1600 xp
gen 06 - 09% - 1690 xp
gen 07 - 08% - 1770 xp
gen 08 - 07% - 1840 xp
gen 09 - 06% - 1900 xp *here the value is equal to what it is in the current system
gen 10 - 05% - 1950 xp
gen 11 - 04% - 1990 xp
gen 12 - 03% - 2020 xp
gen 13 - 02% - 2040 xp
gen 14 - 01% - 2050 xp
and any generation above 14 should not give any more xp bonus, thus avoiding it to become uber fast.
Another cool change could be softening the xp curve while making the level requirement for retirement go up (first retirement, lvl 31, then lvl 32... but only if the xp curve is softened), that would also prevent some very few nolife people to do ridiculous amounts of retirements.
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miley is level 33 right now, gen 1
That's pathetic, it takes 593 hours of playing at gen 1 to get to that level.
Uh Kesh makes like 8m exp a day.. So balton, retract those words.
Regardless, just because a handful of players have no life, 99% of the community shouldn't be punished in turn.
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The exp being exponential makes any level above ~36 basicly unreachable (the fastest route takes dozens of retirements)
But still it's weird you can retire faster the second time.
So what could be a nice thing would be :
Higher xp bonus for early retirements
going down to tiny amount for higher generations
Let me explain a little further :
The base minute xp gain is 1000 xp
Retiring once could give you 14% more (1140 xp per tick)
The second time could give 13% more of what you were winning at the previous gen. (1270 xp per tick)
The third gen gives 12% more bonus (1390 xp per tick)
and so on
gen 04 - 11% - 1500 xp
gen 05 - 10% - 1600 xp
gen 06 - 09% - 1690 xp
gen 07 - 08% - 1770 xp
gen 08 - 07% - 1840 xp
gen 09 - 06% - 1900 xp *here the value is equal to what it is in the current system
gen 10 - 05% - 1950 xp
gen 11 - 04% - 1990 xp
gen 12 - 03% - 2020 xp
gen 13 - 02% - 2040 xp
gen 14 - 01% - 2050 xp
and any generation above 14 should not give any more xp bonus, thus avoiding it to become uber fast.
Another cool change could be softening the xp curve while making the level requirement for retirement go up (first retirement, lvl 31, then lvl 32... but only if the xp curve is softened), that would also prevent some very few nolife people to do ridiculous amounts of retirements.
I agree with this kind of limiting of generational xp and posted a method similar to this(a bonus to xp for strategus character(main) + a bonus that would cap out at like 50-75% from generations but the thread was locked
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I've got a rather good solution, which has some flaws, but on the other hand it would make leechers disappear almost totally, and people who actually deserve it get heirlooms:
Make it based on the amount of rounds you won! (Just calculate the average amount of rounds you win unitl you reach lvl 31). So people, who help their team quite effectively can get their heirloom sooner, and people, who already own all the equipment they want, and have a maxed build (lvl 30) will concentrate more on tactics and winning the round than on leeching or simple killing/leading the scoreboard. Naked leeching/botlike behaviour would be contra productive.
Possible disadvantage: you could join with a mate on an empty server and win 20 matches in 10 minutes.
Counterargument: it's not very likely you can achieve a real advantage on this way (you need an empty server for quite some time, and a mate who has nothing better to do). And as the server is empty, your leeching can't annoy anyone. If this is your idea of playing a game... well.. fine... I don't care :P
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Amount of rounds u won? Totally random! Unless u're one of the few guys capable of changing the fate of a match! And u're not...
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Perhaps. But it changes the motivation. As it could be that it's YOU who wins this paricular round. Or this. Or this.
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Such a system based on rounds won can't be implemented with the current faulty autobalance and the majority unbalanced maps where 1 team has a village to defend while the other one rushes from open ground. Just think that 90% of the times a team wins 5-0 or 5-1 (the team that wins first round either isn't affected at all by autobalance, either is completely screwed and loses all following rounds).
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Hmmm... what are you complaining about, in fact? :wink:
If you base it on XP it's also completely random when you will be able to retire, as with a high modifier (which, where we agree, is dealt more or less totally randomly to the players) you can retire earlier. So either you retire randomly (concerning time) by XP and modifier, or you retire randomly by won rounds. But latter increases your motivation to actually win a round, as a loss gives you nothing. XP is earned always, though.
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Well, i feel that bonus xp should stay as it is. Instead, increase lvl required to retire every 3 generations to make it harder (1-3, lvl 31;4-6, lvl 32 and so on), this way, grinders will grind.
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Hmmm... what are you complaining about, in fact? :wink:
If you base it on XP it's also completely random when you will be able to retire, as with a high modifier (which, where we agree, is dealt more or less totally randomly to the players) you can retire earlier. So either you retire randomly (concerning time) by XP and modifier, or you retire randomly by won rounds. But latter increases your motivation to actually win a round, as a loss gives you nothing. XP is earned always, though.
By that logic, there is no reason to change the current system. If your only argument for it is motivation to win the round, that already exists in the current incarnation of cRPG. Win round = More XP = closer to retirement with bonus. It wouldn't be any different with "rounds won". Since people consider it mostly random based on who they get autobalanced with, the result will be approximately the same as it is now.
If you disagree; Calculate the time it takes to get to level 31 with a x1 multiplier. It's obscene.
EDIT: I did it for you. 145 hours of play time. That is an incredible amount of grinding for any casual player, equal to working a full-time job for 4 weeks.
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By that logic, there is no reason to change the current system. If your only argument for it is motivation to win the round, that already exists in the current incarnation of cRPG. Win round = More XP = closer to retirement with bonus. It wouldn't be any different with "rounds won". Since people consider it mostly random based on who they get autobalanced with, the result will be approximately the same as it is now.
If you disagree; Calculate the time it takes to get to level 31 with a x1 multiplier. It's obscene.
EDIT: I did it for you. 145 hours of play time. That is an incredible amount of grinding for any casual player, equal to working a full-time job for 4 weeks.
Regardless, win ratio should be made to play a bigger role than it does now. There are way too many tkers/afkers/lamers at the moment.
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There are way too many tkers/afkers/lamers at the moment.
This is a side effect of altering the XP earning system. People no longer have to get close to the fighting in order to get XP. Everyone knew that would result in more BS, unless they were lying to themselves. The question that begs to be asked is; Does the positive change outweigh the negative?
The new XP system rewards sound tactics and teamplay. It allows flankers to be equally rewarded when they cause their team to win. It doesn't punish archers simply for being archers. It is, in my opinion, far superior to what we had before.
However, I WOULD like to see a change in the XP system. Perhaps cut the current XP given per tick in half, and replace that half with a hybrid of what we had before. You get the normal "per tick" xp, but you also get xp for being near kills that occur, or for scoring kills yourself.
Having a hybrid XP system would eliminate some of the lameness/leechers by making depending ONLY on "per tick" XP extremely inefficient. Thoughts anyone?
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This is a side effect of altering the XP earning system. People no longer have to get close to the fighting in order to get XP. Everyone knew that would result in more BS, unless they were lying to themselves. The question that begs to be asked is; Does the positive change outweigh the negative?
The new XP system rewards sound tactics and teamplay. It allows flankers to be equally rewarded when they cause their team to win. It doesn't punish archers simply for being archers. It is, in my opinion, far superior to what we had before.
However, I WOULD like to see a change in the XP system. Perhaps cut the current XP given per tick in half, and replace that half with a hybrid of what we had before. You get the normal "per tick" xp, but you also get xp for being near kills that occur, or for scoring kills yourself.
Having a hybrid XP system would eliminate some of the lameness/leechers by making depending ONLY on "per tick" XP extremely inefficient. Thoughts anyone?
smartest thing you ever said lol jk
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This is a side effect of altering the XP earning system. People no longer have to get close to the fighting in order to get XP. Everyone knew that would result in more BS, unless they were lying to themselves. The question that begs to be asked is; Does the positive change outweigh the negative?
The new XP system rewards sound tactics and teamplay. It allows flankers to be equally rewarded when they cause their team to win. It doesn't punish archers simply for being archers. It is, in my opinion, far superior to what we had before.
However, I WOULD like to see a change in the XP system. Perhaps cut the current XP given per tick in half, and replace that half with a hybrid of what we had before. You get the normal "per tick" xp, but you also get xp for being near kills that occur, or for scoring kills yourself.
Having a hybrid XP system would eliminate some of the lameness/leechers by making depending ONLY on "per tick" XP extremely inefficient. Thoughts anyone?
Instead of eliminating any "tick" bonus you get and replacing it with an "old system model" (which would technically hurt archers...), why not add a 1-2 gold bonus for each kill, as well as maybe 50-100 exp? Nothing huge, just so that you feel as though getting a kill will help you with your finances and experience bonus, no matter how minuscule (as well as you not having to rely on your team for EVERY piece of gold you make. Perhaps adding an assist system would help as well, in order to lower the rate of teamwounds and teamkills due to idiots running over their allies for the one peasant kill.
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Perhaps cut the current XP given per tick in half, and replace that half with a hybrid of what we had before. You get the normal "per tick" xp, but you also get xp for being near kills that occur, or for scoring kills yourself.
Having a hybrid XP system would eliminate some of the lameness/leechers by making depending ONLY on "per tick" XP extremely inefficient. Thoughts anyone?
The down side is, with a hybrid system with per tick+near killz and/or score, the PRO frontal melee will have 100% xp, and the archer/noob/flanker will have 50%; it could lead to too much frontal attacks and lame xp progression for certain people.
With the actual XP earning system, the only down side I find is leeching (and perhaps not enough reward for killing): but leeching is easily spottable and righty bannable, and one could say the best reward for scoring kills is helping your team to have more XP via the multiplier.
Thus I think the actual xp system is the best I heard of for the moment, and should only be tweaked via increasing or reducing the "per tick" time or the amount of xp by tick.
Although, the gold system could be separated from the xp system by adding other factor to the "I grant thou gold", but idk if its worth to consider even a subtle change in the actual xp/gold system.
Idea from reinhardt : assisting system sounds good, an opposing system could penalize TK by withdrawing some xp and/or gold.
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Idea from reinhardt : assisting system sounds good, an opposing system could penalize TK by withdrawing some xp and/or gold.
The problem with that idea is that the game does not track assists, which is why the original XP system was based on proximity to kills. It's not possible(that I know of) to make it give you XP for assisting, since the game doesn't keep track of who dealt damage. This is why I suggested the hybrid idea.
With the hybrid idea, yes, archers and flankers might get a bit less XP, but not a lot less. The only people who'd get heavily hit would be the AFK's, Leechers, Lamers, and TKers.
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Hmmm, funny though how much free time people have. I'm gen 11 and it takes me about 1 week to get to lvl 31.... I wonder how people can be so no-life that can get 8 million xp on one day. :shock: The xp system prob. would need little bit tweaking. Alltough I don't support kill based rewards because it has been found just terrible gamewise everyone rushing for getting the killstrike.
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Alltough I don't support kill based rewards because it has been found just terrible gamewise everyone rushing for getting the killstrike.
Again, this is why I suggested the hybrid system, mixing what we have now with what we had before. Before, it wasn't kill-based. It was proximity-based. Being outside of XP proximity, however, could be overcome by firing the killshot(in the case of an archer).
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current xp system is better than anything you guys suggest, only thing that needs to be put again is a week/two weeks period of time before you can retire, so that higher gens wont be retiring every two-three days
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Hmmm, funny though how much free time people have. I'm gen 11 and it takes me about 1 week to get to lvl 31.... I wonder how people can be so no-life that can get 8 million xp on one day. :shock: The xp system prob. would need little bit tweaking. Alltough I don't support kill based rewards because it has been found just terrible gamewise everyone rushing for getting the killstrike.
Unless u can guarantee 11 straight hours of times five even a gen 20 can't retire in a day and for a gen twelve like me still takes me about two weeks and I play a decent amount just not in primetime hours due to wife and kid
Even for high generations its gonna take literal days of playtime on the average multi because I have yet to see even any so called alarm listers get hours of times five in a row mostly its small runs of either side not many team win streaks overall
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Unless u can guarantee 11 straight hours of times five even a gen 20 can't retire in a day and for a gen twelve like me still takes me about two weeks and I play a decent amount just not in primetime hours due to wife and kid
Even for high generations its gonna take literal days of playtime on the average multi because I have yet to see even any so called alarm listers get hours of times five in a row mostly its small runs of either side not many team win streaks overall
Goretooth has been retiring about once every 1-2 days for a good time now.
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Unless u can guarantee 11 straight hours of times five even a gen 20 can't retire in a day and for a gen twelve like me still takes me about two weeks and I play a decent amount just not in primetime hours due to wife and kid
Even for high generations its gonna take literal days of playtime on the average multi because I have yet to see even any so called alarm listers get hours of times five in a row mostly its small runs of either side not many team win streaks overall
Siege is different. And I believe some people leave when they lose the multiplier to go to another server and win it there.
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Goretooth has been retiring about once every 1-2 days for a good time now.
This was a lie the first time u said it have u talked to.him I have
Btw gorath was spreading that but listening to my clan master and believing it is a mistake
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By that logic, there is no reason to change the current system. If your only argument for it is motivation to win the round, that already exists in the current incarnation of cRPG. Win round = More XP = closer to retirement with bonus. It wouldn't be any different with "rounds won". Since people consider it mostly random based on who they get autobalanced with, the result will be approximately the same as it is now.
If you disagree; Calculate the time it takes to get to level 31 with a x1 multiplier. It's obscene.
EDIT: I did it for you. 145 hours of play time. That is an incredible amount of grinding for any casual player, equal to working a full-time job for 4 weeks.
You are right, and this is what I noticed while I was thinking about it on work, too. (My job is not really challenging :lol: )
My solution: you get a special heirloom score. Each won round adds 2 points, each lost round removes one.
Would this help? :?
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This was a lie the first time u said it have u talked to.him I have
Btw gorath was spreading that but listening to my clan master and believing it is a mistake
Don't be silly. We talk to Goretooth too, you know.
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Hmmm, funny though how much free time people have. I'm gen 11 and it takes me about 1 week to get to lvl 31.... I wonder how people can be so no-life that can get 8 million xp on one day. :shock: The xp system prob. would need little bit tweaking. Alltough I don't support kill based rewards because it has been found just terrible gamewise everyone rushing for getting the killstrike.
The gen xp bonus makes it possible, for example even you at gen11 can make 1-31 in the same time a gen1 makes 1-30. Now imagine the xp someone who is gen 20+ gets and 1-31 in 24h seems very likely.
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the problem was that geting gen bonus was very easy before the wipe and this bonus stayed - this means that some people started with gen 1 (those that had high lvl character that haven't retired) while others started with gen 10. those that retired before the wipe on "daily basis" (were kinda abusing/overusing the retirement system) are those that benefit from the wipe.
this is the problem
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so my soon to be 4 heirlooms will be taken down to 1?
... Again?
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the problem was that geting gen bonus was very easy before the wipe and this bonus stayed - this means that some people started with gen 1 (those that had high lvl character that haven't retired) while others started with gen 10. those that retired before the wipe on "daily basis" (were kinda abusing/overusing the retirement system) are those that benefit from the wipe.
this is the problem
Rescaling XP gain to reduce gen bonus is the way, really.
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so my soon to be 4 heirlooms will be taken down to 1?
... Again?
again and again and again until you are numb to the pain
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Rescaling XP gain to reduce gen bonus is the way, really.
if anything than just count the time spent ingame with a character, transform it into xp, transform xp into some number of gen/loom bonus and thats all. than everybody will have bonus based on time spent ingame and not on how much he overused retirement system before the wipe.
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if anything than just count the time spent ingame with a character, transform it into xp, transform xp into some number of gen/loom bonus and thats all. than everybody will have bonus based on time spent ingame and not on how much he overused retirement system before the wipe.
lol, the people that "overused" the retirement system before AND after the wipe are the very same people who will be at the top of the "time spent in game" list.
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lol, the people that "overused" the retirement system before AND after the wipe are the very same people who will be at the top of the "time spent in game" list.
sorry, but you don't understand the point...
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lol, the people that "overused" the retirement system before AND after the wipe are the very same people who will be at the top of the "time spent in game" list.
hey I've only played this 906 hours on cRPG, thats not that much
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I don't think people should be punished for having exploited the flaws of retirement, they spent hours of playing because they were told they could get a bonus for it, afterall. So deleting those features seems unfair to me. I don't think it's genius-like to find a system that could both :
- satisfy grinders and arcade gamers
- protect itself from overusage in a subtle way (no cap)
- gives small advantages on the long term but hurts much on the short term
Currently it's so easy to go from 1 to 30 that the third point is clearly failed.
Retirement xp bonus goes higher and higher, and each retirement becomes faster the higher you get, so point 2 is also clearly not reached.
I don't know about the first thing.
So now, on the constructive part, what about :
- Same xp curve.
- You can retire at level 31.
- You get no xp bonus for retirement for levels under the retiring limit.
- When you are at least 31 on your gen2 character, you get a nice 32% more xp. Each gen gives (1,3 + 0,01*(gen-1)) the xp the previous gen gave. Some numbers :
Gen 1 : 1000 xp
Gen 2 : 1310 xp
Gen 3 : 1729 xp
(Don't forget it's only for levels above 31)
- The xp cost of level 31 is multiplied by (1,3 + 0,01*(gen-1)) each time you retire. Xp costs of levels above 31 doesn't change (it still takes roughly 8M xp to go from 31 to 32, but it goes significantly faster because you have the xp bonus)
So retiring is the fastest route to high levels, but reaching level 31 will be slower each time you retire.
A nice addition could be giving 1 more attribute and skill point at the character creation, because most people are going to spend ridiculous amounts of time at level 30.
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That sounds not so bad, only problem will be, that somebody on, for example, generation 5 or so will get a large amount of xp after reaching 31. Maybe then he continues playing, cause leveling goes fast with this "over 31 xp bonus". And then... he will be a big badass character with overpowered stats... Just imagine a level 40 build... :?
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That sounds not so bad, only problem will be, that somebody on, for example, generation 5 or so will get a large amount of xp after reaching 31. Maybe then he continues playing, cause leveling goes fast with this "over 31 xp bonus". And then... he will be a big badass character with overpowered stats... Just imagine a level 40 build... :?
lvl 40 wuild still require 500 mil exp, so even thoguh you get 2'normal, it'll take 6 months instead of a year if you play 10 hours/day...
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I don´t understand the problem right now.
If you do think retiring is to fast:
make it so you only can once per week
or
make a xp cap
or
make a system in which each generation gives less xp-bonus added
(gen 1 +10% gen 2 + 9,5 etc...)
There are so many solutions.
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Just make it so that there is no extra xp bonus past 10 generations
And I support the time limit
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I was surprised the 1 week limit was removed as this was going to happen when people got to high gen.
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I heard somewhere that there is limit for XP gain per tick...
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I heard somewhere that there is limit for XP gain per tick...
I think I heard it too... Very high gen character said they got the same amount of xp with a 5x and a 4x multiplier for example.
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I think I heard it too... Very high gen character said they got the same amount of xp with a 5x and a 4x multiplier for example.
well, i've spoken with a gen 24 or something who just got amazing amounts of exp... retired every 1-3 days
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so my soon to be 4 heirlooms will be taken down to 1?
... Again?
Ummm, what's this? Where they have said that that heirlooms are again taken away?
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I think chadz created this system for grinders because in reality, even if every single thing you possessed was triple heirloomed, its actually a rather small advantage in the grand scheme of things. Having +12 body armor will not stop you from dying (anyone can get the same level of armor if they are willing to pay the upkeep or wear it less often, unless you are heirlooming the lame looking black armor, which very few do because of upkeep and it doesnt stop them from dying), +5 damage, +2 speed will not make you a God on the battlefield with your sword (92 to 94 speed is like a 2% difference). The experience cap is astronomical so even with a huge xp bonus nearing the cap you would only get at best +1 powerstrike and IF with +3 strength for the extra 3 levels before the xp requirements starts entering the billions. None of these diffeences are at all game breaking or come even close to it, which is what chadz planned when he switched it from the pre-patch retirement. If you don't want any levelling/retiring and all equipment exactly the same as everybody elses, native is always available, but as of now its not a broken system.
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I think chadz created this system for grinders because in reality, even if every single thing you possessed was triple heirloomed, its actually a rather small advantage in the grand scheme of things. Having +12 body armor will not stop you from dying (anyone can get the same level of armor if they are willing to pay the upkeep or wear it less often, unless you are heirlooming the lame looking black armor, which very few do because of upkeep and it doesnt stop them from dying), +5 damage, +2 speed will not make you a God on the battlefield with your sword (92 to 94 speed is like a 2% difference). The experience cap is astronomical so even with a huge xp bonus nearing the cap you would only get at best +1 powerstrike and IF with +3 strength for the extra 3 levels before the xp requirements starts entering the billions. None of these diffeences are at all game breaking or come even close to it, which is what chadz planned when he switched it from the pre-patch retirement. If you don't want any levelling/retiring and all equipment exactly the same as everybody elses, native is always available, but as of now its not a broken system.
+1
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I think chadz created this system for grinders because in reality, even if every single thing you possessed was triple heirloomed, its actually a rather small advantage in the grand scheme of things. Having +12 body armor will not stop you from dying (anyone can get the same level of armor if they are willing to pay the upkeep or wear it less often, unless you are heirlooming the lame looking black armor, which very few do because of upkeep and it doesnt stop them from dying), +5 damage, +2 speed will not make you a God on the battlefield with your sword (92 to 94 speed is like a 2% difference). The experience cap is astronomical so even with a huge xp bonus nearing the cap you would only get at best +1 powerstrike and IF with +3 strength for the extra 3 levels before the xp requirements starts entering the billions. None of these diffeences are at all game breaking or come even close to it, which is what chadz planned when he switched it from the pre-patch retirement. If you don't want any levelling/retiring and all equipment exactly the same as everybody elses, native is always available, but as of now its not a broken system.
+12 body armor makes the difference. It's like playing in plate that can be used all the time.
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And you won't get speed or wpf reductions because you can turn light armor into plate.
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+12 body armor makes the difference. It's like playing in plate that can be used all the time.
i dont think plate is better, as it slows you down too much - the advantage of heirlooms is that you dont get that extra weight - but i dont think it's that OP
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i dont think plate is better, as it slows you down too much - the advantage of heirlooms is that you dont get that extra weight - but i dont think it's that OP
Yup, so it's plate protection without downsides.
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I think chadz created this system for grinders because in reality, even if every single thing you possessed was triple heirloomed, its actually a rather small advantage in the grand scheme of things. Having +12 body armor will not stop you from dying (anyone can get the same level of armor if they are willing to pay the upkeep or wear it less often, unless you are heirlooming the lame looking black armor, which very few do because of upkeep and it doesnt stop them from dying), +5 damage, +2 speed will not make you a God on the battlefield with your sword (92 to 94 speed is like a 2% difference). The experience cap is astronomical so even with a huge xp bonus nearing the cap you would only get at best +1 powerstrike and IF with +3 strength for the extra 3 levels before the xp requirements starts entering the billions. None of these diffeences are at all game breaking or come even close to it, which is what chadz planned when he switched it from the pre-patch retirement. If you don't want any levelling/retiring and all equipment exactly the same as everybody elses, native is always available, but as of now its not a broken system.
You are right about the usefullness of retirement, but I think chadz once said he wanted heirloomed stuff to be rare and special... That's not really the case atm :lol:
Personnally, I retire because I like playing low level (the team doesn't count on you, no pressure :lol:), but I don't like doing alts too much, I still like to see my main char "grow up". So even with very little bonuses I would retire anyway. I don't know if many people are doing the same.
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You are right about the usefullness of retirement, but I think chadz once said he wanted heirloomed stuff to be rare and special... That's not really the case atm :lol:
Personnally, I retire because I like playing low level (the team doesn't count on you, no pressure :lol:), but I don't like doing alts too much, I still like to see my main char "grow up". So even with very little bonuses I would retire anyway. I don't know if many people are doing the same.
i would, i need to feel some kind of progress for this game to be fun, and i get that through retirements... i would retire no matter what.
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I would retire when I hit level 31, but I get sidetracked too often creating alts.
The only trouble I have is the incredibly slow pace at which my alts level. Kinda takes the fun out of creating new characters.
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The only trouble I have is the incredibly slow pace at which my alts level. Kinda takes the fun out of creating new characters.
This. It seems like level progression to 30 is balanced for gen 10+ people. It takes FOREVER to level up a gen 1. This is why I've just about given up on making alts. It's much more efficient to simply level a character up to 31, then respec into a different playstyle.
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Just cap the xp you can get per min. Wala people will still retire for their looms and not be able to do it in a day anymore.
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Leveling up is pleasantly fast already. I constantly make alts and level them to lvl 20+ in two evenings. Of course reaching 30 is hard but it's not like you need to be lvl 30 to play.
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Heirlooms were cut to 1/3 in the new patch to reflect the increased difficulty of retirement. However, the xp bonus remained the same. This bonus should have been cut to 1/3 as wellx. I like the current xp system, all the ideas in this thread concerning the xp system are bad.
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Heirlooms were cut to 1/3 in the new patch to reflect the increased difficulty of retirement. However, the xp bonus remained the same. This bonus should have been cut to 1/3 as wellx. I like the current xp system, all the ideas in this thread concerning the xp system are bad.
Actually the xp bonus was reduced significantly from an exponential multiplier to a flat 10% per gen. Wouldn't be adverse to seeing 1500 xp/minute for everyone again with only a 5% bonus per generation, would make it less of a grind for newbie players. Also, paying 10000 gold per retirement seems fair, maybe paying for the cost of reblacksmithing to your better weapon/armor.
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Heirlooms were cut to 1/3 in the new patch to reflect the increased difficulty of retirement. However, the xp bonus remained the same. This bonus should have been cut to 1/3 as wellx. I like the current xp system, all the ideas in this thread concerning the xp system are bad.
Actually the bonus went from an exponential to incremental(huge change)
I think all these phantom gen 30s need to be outed by the devs because guess what they DO NOT EXIST
Unless goretooth is now twenty characters by himself
I think this whole reNERFwhine is rolling to turn into a nerf for no reason against a fictional army of gen 20 fully heirloomed characters that don't even exist
I have no heirloomed armor and less heirlooms than before the theft
But let's get the waahmbulance out, always a good time to project our own failures on some unknown unfindable gamecrashing army (that doesn't exist)
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Actually the xp bonus was reduced significantly from an exponential multiplier to a flat 10% per gen. Wouldn't be adverse to seeing 1500 xp/minute for everyone again with only a 5% bonus per generation, would make it less of a grind for newbie players.
I think this is a good idea.
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How abour each generation increasing the the max multiplier by 1?
On the first hand this sounds imbalanced, as with a mulitplier of 25 you can amass a lot of XP and gold, but on the other hand: how often do you win 25 rounds in a row?
This would encourage the seasoned players to win rounds constantly. Just an idea though.
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How abour each generation increasing the the max multiplier by 1?
On the first hand this sounds imbalanced, as with a mulitplier of 25 you can amass a lot of XP and gold, but on the other hand: how often do you win 25 rounds in a row?
This would encourage the seasoned players to win rounds constantly. Just an idea though.
For "normal" players, this would be fine, in theory. However, there ARE players that win 25 rounds in a row consistantly. And this system would be the equivalent of giving those players the old exponential XP bonus back. We'd once again see people at level 40 eventually.
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For "normal" players, this would be fine, in theory. However, there ARE players that win 25 rounds in a row consistantly. And this system would be the equivalent of giving those players the old exponential XP bonus back. We'd once again see people at level 40 eventually.
Well, so basically your statement is: it is better for new players, but still can be equal to the current system in some cases.
This sounds like a superior alternative to me :mrgreen:
If someone REALLY wins 25 rounds in a row he MUST have taken influence on it, so he deserved it. Basically my suggestion would change reitiring from "a help for grinding" to "increasing the chance of benefiting more of your skills". Which sounds fair to me. Reitred characters still can level faster, but they actually need to do something for it.
I think those cases where someone wins 25 rounds in a row only by luck can be ignored, as they occur that rarely that they can't influence the overall balance.
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Hey um is something wrong with the heirlooming, I want to heirloom my long espada, but it goes straight to tempered, instead of balanced and my tempered side sword goes to balanced but gets the masterwork damage and speed bonus
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It is different now:
Tempered-Balanced-Masterwork
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max number of multilplier = your generatrion sounds ok (mybe it isnt but it looks ok)
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I currently consider myself (gen 11) to be a fairly high gen. I feel that this new system is good. Following the theft ive got +5 modifiers on my equipment. 3 on my plate (because im lame) and 2 on my long maul (cos im really lame). Smart players heirloom mid tier gear giving them an every day advantage. I geirloom stuff which is fun to play with on occassion.
Gens are really notthat much of an advantage. The cirrent system is better as there is no stupid gold grind and it makes it far easier to try different classes and builds.
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I currently consider myself (gen 11) to be a fairly high gen. I feel that this new system is good. Following the theft ive got +5 modifiers on my equipment. 3 on my plate (because im lame) and 2 on my long maul (cos im really lame). Smart players heirloom mid tier gear giving them an every day advantage. I geirloom stuff which is fun to play with on occassion.
Gens are really notthat much of an advantage. The cirrent system is better as there is no stupid gold grind and it makes it far easier to try different classes and builds.
+1 :), small advantage, lot of fun, leads to trying more builds. I do think maybe switching back to 1500 xp/minute for everyone again would be a good idea, with only 5% xp bonus per generation. Seems more fair to new players and so more people can have the fun of picking out their strange and unique heirlooms.
I do my cavalry robe and khergit guard boots and my miadao. I could get the same benefit by wearing heraldic mail with surcoat (except +3.5 lbs.) and cased greaves (+.5 lbs), and the miadao like a longsword but slightly longer but slower and I plan on doing the khergit guard helmet like the rusty morion (+.5 lbs). I like building a character on the mixing of the mongolian and islamic cultures (turkish) around the time of the middle ages in central asia, the miadao looks like many of the middle-eastern curved swords used by cavalry and the armor matches as well. Now I can do that kind of theme without losing the benefits of armor to people whose themes involve heavier steel armors and longswords or katanas.