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Title: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Xant on December 02, 2015, 11:28:29 pm
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/02/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Sir_Hans on December 03, 2015, 12:08:22 am
Damn,
Out of all the places to murder people why go after a support center for people with developmental disabilities???

I hope cops find and kill the suspects soon. Criminals of this magnitude don't deserve trials and the taxpayers shouldn't have to worry about a cent of their money going towards a trial and incarceration.

 
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Xant on December 03, 2015, 06:41:48 am
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Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on December 03, 2015, 08:09:13 am
You almost seem proud that there is another Islam-connected incident, Xant.

Also quite hilarious that your alarms go off because there is some Islamic connection/background (to what extend is to be seen) but you still are persuaded that there is no problem with a whole population being armed and having easy access to firearms. http://www.vox.com/2015/8/24/9183525/gun-violence-statistics


Interesting case though, because they seem to have targeted a specific person. Maybe a personal vendetta? Seems not to be anybody of political or other high importance.

Criminals of this magnitude don't deserve trials and the taxpayers shouldn't have to worry about a cent of their money going towards a trial and incarceration.

Give up on jurisdiction, great idea. You don't seriously mean that, do you?
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Sir_Hans on December 03, 2015, 08:44:52 am
Give up on jurisdiction, great idea. You don't seriously mean that, do you?

In cases like this, I completely mean that.
Why waste so much money doing a trial only to put them in a prison and provide them with shelter, warmth, food, health care, etc... etc...

Our court system doesn't know how to deal with criminals of this magnitude, they should just have their lives ended and as an added bonus we should demolish any mosques these suspects frequented.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Kafein on December 03, 2015, 08:49:02 am
Logically, Hans should at least be happy that a center for disabled people was attacked and not something else. These people cost a lot of money.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on December 03, 2015, 08:52:09 am
In cases like this, I completely mean that.
Why waste so much money doing a trial only to put them in a prison and provide them with shelter, warmth, food, health care, etc... etc...

Our court system doesn't know how to deal with criminals of this magnitude, they should just have their lives ended and as an added bonus we should demolish any mosques these suspects frequented.

sigh, you seriously are that dump? Then who decides what is 'this magnitude'?
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on December 03, 2015, 09:02:15 am
Criminals deserve due process of the law. The minute we allow the government the power to just kill whoever they believe to be a big enough criminal on a whim is the day we the citizens will lose any power we have left. Also I like how if they were white with any connection at all to Christianity they'd be labeled as white supremacist christian gorilla warriors.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Xant on December 03, 2015, 09:15:16 am
You almost seem proud that there is another Islam-connected incident, Xant.

Also quite hilarious that your alarms go off because there is some Islamic connection/background (to what extend is to be seen) but you still are persuaded that there is no problem with a whole population being armed and having easy access to firearms. http://www.vox.com/2015/8/24/9183525/gun-violence-statistics
Of course not, the population being armed gives said population a chance to fight back. California has strict gun control. Gun control doesn't work to stop attacks like this. See Paris.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Xant on December 03, 2015, 09:37:04 am
No Heskey, I made this thread with this title before there was even a whisper of a name... funny how I was right once again, must be like a sixth sense.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Grytviken on December 03, 2015, 09:39:41 am
  This seems similar to the Paris attacks where the brother of the killer comes on TV and apologizes, flanked by a mob of lawyers and activists from the American Islamic Relations Council. I'm torn here because he expressed his sympathy to the victims, but on the other hand he came forth as a Muslim first, with a group that represents Muslims. I think it was a little too early for that considering the FBI hasn't released any details about the motives yet.

Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Paul on December 03, 2015, 09:43:11 am
In cases like this, I completely mean that.
Why waste so much money doing a trial only to put them in a prison and provide them with shelter, warmth, food, health care, etc... etc...

Who decides that a case is a "case like this"? Everyone deserves a fair trial. That is one pillar of the modern western society - at least in theory. Giving this up brings us one step closer to the Chinese, Russians, Turks and all those Near East muppets.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Sir_Hans on December 03, 2015, 09:53:17 am
Logically, Hans should at least be happy that a center for disabled people was attacked and not something else. These people cost a lot of money.
The disabled people that benefit from that center don't arm themselves with automatic weapons and go on shooting sprees killing a large number of people and then place explosives around a complex to try to further harm anyone unlucky enough to set the explosives off. Just a little bit different. I can see how you would get confused about that though.
Not wanting hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on two mass murderers is pretty much the same as being against any/all social services and wishing death upon anyone who would benefit on social services... Right?

Also quite hilarious that your alarms go off because there is some Islamic connection/background (to what extend is to be seen) but you still are persuaded that there is no problem with a whole population being armed and having easy access to firearms. http://www.vox.com/2015/8/24/9183525/gun-violence-statistics
That comment was made well before the names (or ethnicity) of these suspects was released. My opinion goes for everyone who picks up a gun and goes on a killing spree regardless of beliefs or skin color... But also quite hilarious that your alarms go off and you would assume I'm a racist because of my alternative opinions on justice.

As for gun control: If we are going to take away firearms from everyone in the country because 0.01% of gun owners go out and kill someone with their gun... Then we should also take cars away from everyone because a small fraction of drivers drive recklessly and end up killing people on the road with their vehicle due to their reckless driving.
Also I think gun ownership should be a right that is protected, but I don't think it should be a free for all where anyone can buy a gun with no background checks... Background checks should be a requirement on all firearm sales and responsibly storing a firearm should also be a requirement. The people who left their loaded firearm under a couch cushion only to have a 6 year old pick it up and shoot herself dead recently should most definitely be charged with a crime, get prison time and lose their rights to own firearms. Gun control isn't really a simple yes/no solution.
Let's not pretend that these murderers would have not been able to kill people if we had gun laws like Mexico. They had explosives as well.

Who decides that a case is a "case like this"? Everyone deserves a fair trial. That is one pillar of the modern western society - at least in theory. Giving this up brings us one step closer to the Chinese, Russians, Turks and all those Near East muppets.
Obviously the person who decides it is the law enforcement officers in the shootout with these murderers.
I'm pretty sure they have courts of law in China and Russia etc... Are you assuming our courts are perfect examples of justice and their courts are invalid?

Sure everyone deserves a fair trial, I can agree to that. But only on the condition that the punishment for those found guilty is fair to the victims and the families of the victims.
I don't think having a criminal who's killed 10+ people sit around in prison w/ better living conditions than your average citizen of a 3rd world country who's never killed someone in their life is anything close to justice.
U.S. Court system is flawed and doesn't know how to dole out punishment appropriate for crimes of this magnitude. I would always prefer to see a mass murderer killed whether by their own hands or another's than to see them go through the court system only to be able to give their cause a voice and spread their philosophy and then end up with shelter, clothes, bed, health care, and 3 meals a day provided by taxpayers.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Grytviken on December 03, 2015, 10:39:16 am
Impressive, considering attacks identical to this happen all the time in the US and this is somehow different cos the guy was a Muslim.

So tell us, how does this shooting differ from any of the others that happen in the US and are considered 'unpreventable'? (other than the fact this guy didn't target a school full of children the way a white atheist would, EVIL muslims!)

I fully understand the backlash the religion will receive, but what better way to keep that stigma alive then having the killer's brother go on live TV for a press conference with an entourage of Islamic rights activists. As a practicing Scientologist if I was ever unfortunately in the same position as the brother here i'd feel ridiculous bringing the whole operating level 3 Thetan Sea Organization along for a press conference about a tragedy like this.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Sir_Hans on December 03, 2015, 10:57:58 am
Wait... hold the fuck up... just one single god damn minute!...

You are a practicing scientologist?
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Beauchamp on December 03, 2015, 11:00:12 am
i'm wondering if there is a single example all around the world, where somebody having a legal firearm would prevent some mass shooting.

i support available firearms, but the above reason is one of the most stupid ones i think in arguing while people should be allowed to get guns easily.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Vibe on December 03, 2015, 11:05:38 am
This would feel unconnected to religion if it weren't for multiple shooters. Multiple shooters makes me think this is not a nutcase issue.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Bronto on December 03, 2015, 11:18:58 am
I fully understand the backlash the religion will receive, but what better way to keep that stigma alive then having the killer's brother go on live TV for a press conference with an entourage of Islamic rights activists. As a practicing Scientologist if I was ever unfortunately in the same position as the brother here i'd feel ridiculous bringing the whole operating level 3 Thetan Sea Organization along for a press conference about a tragedy like this.

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Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Sir_Hans on December 03, 2015, 11:20:35 am
This would feel unconnected to religion if it weren't for multiple shooters. Multiple shooters makes me think this is not a nutcase issue.

The assailants were a couple and had a child together...
Seems like the only thing that would convince a wife to go on a murderous rampage would be extreme religious or ideological views.
Kind of puzzling they would abandon their 6 month old child and go on a murderous rampage... Maybe someone at the office party drew an offensive cartoon of muhammed?
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Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Grytviken on December 03, 2015, 11:45:28 am
On the other hand, mass shootings in the US, not exactly a rarity. Why should only white middle class atheists be mentally unstable enough to shoot multiple people, surely individuals of any religion can be mentally fucked up enough to do that (and by the reckoning of this forum religious people are at least as mentally fucked up as atheists).

  The insanity defense is used in less than 1% of all court cases and not very successful, so it's not enough, technically.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Overdriven on December 03, 2015, 01:19:59 pm
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Just another day in the US.

Honestly doesn't sound religiously motivated:

'Mr Burguan said that Farook had left the event - which was possibly a holiday party for employees or a meeting - "under some circumstances that were described as angry," and returned with Malik.'

Just more messed up people with easy access to guns.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Asheram on December 03, 2015, 01:22:22 pm
damn you and your high horse
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Vibe on December 03, 2015, 03:10:40 pm
but guns don't kill people sooooo....

nuh-uh

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Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Butan on December 03, 2015, 03:22:56 pm
So is there any elements yet aiming at religion of peace followers commiting this grievous act?
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Xant on December 03, 2015, 04:39:55 pm
Impressive, considering attacks identical to this happen all the time in the US and this is somehow different cos the guy was a Muslim.

So tell us, how does this shooting differ from any of the others that happen in the US and are considered 'unpreventable'? (other than the fact this guy didn't target a school full of children the way a white atheist would, EVIL muslims!)
Yes, it would be impressive if I guessed it if this was identical to all other attacks. Unfortunately it isn't, which is evident from the fact that it's way bigger news than the ones happening "all the time." I'll leave it to you as homework to figure out what's different about this one.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Oberyn on December 03, 2015, 04:56:12 pm
The muslim convert and the bundle of sticks piece of shit whose words are nearly unintelligible from the muslim cock he gargles on a daily basis convinced this has nothing to do with islam, yet again, what a surprise. Don't worry, you're in good company you stupid fucks. I'm sure the guy's trip to Saudi Arabia and the slave wife he got there is nothing compared to the awful presence of the NRA and availability of weapons in the dystopian USA.

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Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Xant on December 03, 2015, 05:03:21 pm
They also left a remote controlled IED at the place.

Ban remote controlled IEDs! Oh wait...
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Xant on December 03, 2015, 05:10:09 pm
Those tweets are fucking hilarious. I spent some time looking up those people, not a single one admitted being wrong.  :lol:

Instead, for example:

"Who wants to bet #SB shooters are white and male? And not #BlackLivesMatter or #Muslims or #ISIS"
-Toni Kemble

Look at her feed now, they turned out to be muslims, so time to bring out the "omg but white men have killed TOO" and "omg guns are the real problem" talk.
https://twitter.com/tonikemble
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Oberyn on December 03, 2015, 05:12:54 pm
Heskey and his ilk are either self-loathing cucks who worship at the altar of crypto-marxism and see "the white man" as the embodiment of all evil or merely hilariously, ironically hypocritical racists. I always wondered whether Heskey is even "white", not sure which category he falls in.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Oberyn on December 03, 2015, 05:14:32 pm
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Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Xant on December 03, 2015, 05:18:11 pm
Oh yes, the jackpot is that one of the shooters was female. Those retards couldn't have been more wrong if they tried. I wonder how they're justifying all those tweets to themselves -- oh wait, no I don't, they're just going to wipe it from their memory.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Oberyn on December 03, 2015, 05:35:30 pm
Well they're not wrong. A lot of muslims are "white", if that guy's name had been Alfredo Salvatore he could easily have passed for italian, or spanish, or any number of meditteranean european nationality. Of course that's not what they mean when they say "white". What they mean is belonging and identifying with any sort of western civilization identifier, aka The Great Satan and source of all pain and misery. It is the crypto-marxist perception of the "White Male" (bourgeois opressor with all the power) vs "Opressed Minority" (literally everyone else, including even modern western "white" females, perhaps the most priviledged and coddled ethnic group in the entire history of the planet). They understand nothing outside of this paragdim.


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If this guy had shot poor opressed Michael Brown and his name was "western", he would absolutely be considered "white". Mere skin color is completely irrelevant in their retarded world view.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Oberyn on December 03, 2015, 05:42:26 pm
Oh I'm sure you love yourself, just not your people. You don't even have a "people", after all. Literally every single human being that happens to reside in the same territorial space as you are your "people", right? I'm sure they all see it the same way too. Do you identify as "white"?
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Butan on December 03, 2015, 05:49:00 pm
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 Stop stroking yourself on "My guess was bestest" and feeding the Oberyn. Post insightful information on the topic instead.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Oberyn on December 03, 2015, 05:53:41 pm
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 Stop stroking yourself on "My guess was bestest" and feeding the Oberyn. Post insightful information on the topic instead.

Like what, exactly? Some more masturbation on how gun control is the answer and islam is yet again completely blameless? Maybe something along the lines of how white male atheists are the real problem, Heskey's sole "contribution" to the thread thus far. Would that be more in accord with your majesty's opinions? I wouldn't want to violate your safe space, I know contrary opinions are so hurtful.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Overdriven on December 03, 2015, 06:12:06 pm
Like I said just another day in the US. There's been a shooting of 4 or more people pretty much every day this year there. So this time they happen to be Muslim shooters. It was likely to happen eventually with that rate of shootings. Still doesn't come across as a terrorist attack though so they just happen to be Muslim. Now lets go and check the race and religion of all those other shootings so we can analyse them and discuss how fucked up their beliefs are and how that must be the reason for their crime.

I bet if Paris wasn't fresh in the minds of many this wouldn't even be a news story.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Xant on December 03, 2015, 06:13:11 pm
Like I said just another day in the US. There's been a shooting of 4 or more people pretty much every day this year there. So this time they happen to be Muslim shooters. It was likely to happen eventually with that rate of shootings. Still doesn't come across as a terrorist attack though so they just happen to be Muslim. Now lets go and check the race and religion of all those other shootings so we can analyse them and discuss how fucked up their beliefs are and how that must be the reason for their crime.
Hahaha, classic Muslim reaction.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Xant on December 03, 2015, 06:17:41 pm
I bet if Paris wasn't fresh in the minds of many this wouldn't even be a news story.
LOL. So fucking delusional. This isn't "just like other shootings", it's the deadliest one since Sandy Hook in 2012. Of course it'd be a news story no matter what, you retard.

Do you know what the tell-tale sign of a Muslim shooting is btw? Multiple shooters. Because they all suffer from the same mental illness and worship the same murderous imaginary friend, it's easy to find other people to go on a little murder spree with you. Other shootings are normally committed by lone crazies.

Oh yes, and the remote controlled IED at the scene...

And let's not forget how rare it is for man and wife to send their kid away and then go on a suicide murder spree together. #JustMuslimThings
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Overdriven on December 03, 2015, 06:21:49 pm
I meant their religion douche bag. Of course a shooting would be of this size. That's a given.

Whilst lone shooters are more common there are plenty of reports of mass shootings involving more than one gunman and guess what? They weren't Muslim.

Google is your friend.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Xant on December 03, 2015, 06:22:39 pm
Their religion isn't a news story....
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Oberyn on December 03, 2015, 06:24:32 pm
Fortunately I don't daily run into stupid acts of intolerance that necessitate anything more, (you'd be proud of me Oberyn, I walked past a Muslim lady and her little boy on my way to work today, they were holding hands and talking about what they'd seen on TV last night... Christ I was so scared! I barely got away with my life!!!)

That's nice, I'm so glad for you. Sadly, I do run into stupid acts of intolerance almost on a daily basis. It's apparently sooo unimaginable that such things happens. My fears are laughable and just the insane ramblings of a xenophobe, I was clearly raised this way and indoctrinated by fantasies, absolutely nothing in my life could have made me this way. Do you know the Saint-Denis area? Do you have any idea what it's like to live in such a neighborhood as an ethnic frenchman? Of course you don't. Your utter contempt is noted, and again, I invite you to come visit me in Paris. I would love to personally show you a fraction of what I and my family have been subjected to. Few things would bring me greater pleasure. 
For a glimpse read this article. It's close, but not nearly the entire picture. This is from the perspective of a bobbo, not even someone who lived there most of his life, and even this dumb bundle of sticks managed to get his eyes open.

http://www.politico.eu/article/molenbeek-broke-my-heart-radicalization-suburb-brussels-gentrification/
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Vibe on December 03, 2015, 06:28:21 pm
Like I said just another day in the US. There's been a shooting of 4 or more people pretty much every day this year there. So this time they happen to be Muslim shooters. It was likely to happen eventually with that rate of shootings. Still doesn't come across as a terrorist attack though so they just happen to be Muslim. Now lets go and check the race and religion of all those other shootings so we can analyse them and discuss how fucked up their beliefs are and how that must be the reason for their crime.

I bet if Paris wasn't fresh in the minds of many this wouldn't even be a news story.

So what do you honestly think this was? A couple just shooting some random people up?
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Grytviken on December 03, 2015, 07:01:19 pm
It's always been a retarded defence yes, but in public the first thing anyone ever does after a shooting in the US is find something to blame that isn't anything to do with gun control. Which is difficult when most shooters are white (cant blame them) and are not explicitly religious (cant blame atheists), so they often resort in public to 'He was just one sick son-of-a-bitch'. It's not a defence of their actions (hence the rare use in court), but it's used as a defence of why it's nothing to do with gun control and is an isolated case.

What better way? Have them *not* apologise and then have them claim that the attack was 100% motivated by religious belief. That's how you keep the stigma alive if you want the backlash, which extremists do. At least you seem to understand that, others on this forum seem to be of the opinion that islamists are scared of the backlash and it's what the west should do to play 'hard ball' with the terrorists, attack the innocent.

  The motives are different. Why should a blatant rejection of the secular norms of society not receive backlash and criticism? The black firearm homicide rate is twice as much as whites despite them only making up 14% of the population. Mass shootings are rare compared to the many single/double murders that take place sometimes 10 times a day in cities like Chicago.

   Religion is imprinted into our DNA, it is a natural reaction in humanity to reject solitude. It also doubles as a social function, but when society or social interaction is degenerate enough our imaginations can overtake reality. It's reasonable to suggest this natural attraction and obsession of religion can be replaced by a less than desirable function of society leading to violence.

The percentage of Muslims in the US is less than 1%, so they are hardly influential at all. You have a higher chance of being struck by lightning then running into a Muslim where I live. So for such a small representation of Society they will obviously receive a larger backlash considering Islamic terrorism has caused alot of deaths in the US.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Xant on December 03, 2015, 07:02:04 pm
Typical Heskey response, don't answer the question at all, only make some "witty" sarcastic comment that seems to imply something... but doesn't.

"lolol seems a bit too empowering :)))))"
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Sir_Hans on December 03, 2015, 07:18:55 pm
Them being a couple is a bit of a curve-ball, it not only stands out from the other weekly mass shootings in the States, but it stands out from your bog-standard ISIS attacks too. I thought traditional radicalised Islamic women were supposed to be too downtrodden to do anything like this, seems a little bit too... 'empowering' (lol) for that. My suspicion, this will not be related to any organised terrorist cell, whatever delusions led to this act of violence (hell it may even be religiously motivated, let's not throw the possibility out the window) I doubt ISIS had a finger in it. Tho if I were ISIS with a shitty track-record of successful terror attacks in the US, I'd be falling over myself trying to take credit for this.

Right it probably wasn't ISIS, It was Islamic extremism. ISIS is just a portion of the Islamic Extremist picture.
A muslim doesn't have to be a member of ISIS to take the koran literally and murder people who aren't muslims.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Xant on December 03, 2015, 07:20:10 pm
Right it probably wasn't ISIS, It was Islamic extremism. ISIS is just a portion of the Islamic Extremist picture.
A muslim doesn't have to be a member of ISIS to take the koran literally and murder people who aren't muslims.
Yes. But you didn't explain it simple enough, Heskey won't understand.

Oh yeah, there was a bomb making factory found from the shooters' home. That's super common too :) :) :)
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Oberyn on December 03, 2015, 07:25:17 pm
If you run into random acts of intolerance on a daily basis, fucking do something about it. I mean it's happening right infront of you.

But then again. Asking you to use your own skill and judgement... you might imagine that a muslim walking on the same side of the road as you is an act of intolerance... so maybe it's best if you continue to not act.


Like what, you dumb cunt piece of shit? Get into interminable fist fights and violent conflicts that they impose on me? Shout back the same racist, hateful slurs they shout at me? Had enough of that in my adolescence.  There's only so much the police can do, especially in the apparently non-existent no-go zones where ambulances and firefighters get attacked just because they're french and not the backwards thirdworld shitstains that poisoned the entire area. You think society gives a shit? Look at your own contemptible response. "you might imagine that a muslim walking on the same side of the road as you is an act of intolerance". There it is again, the utter contempt. Yeah buddy, some muslim didn't properly genuflect and bow down before my white superiority, that's clearly what bothers me. It's not the constant violence and hatred, stuff that would be considered horrible neo-chocolate chip cookie KKK racism if it was aimed the other way around. You're either blind or you're just not european. Again, Heskey, are you white?
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on December 03, 2015, 07:40:34 pm
Muslims =/= bad people
Muslims =/= terrorists
Arabs also =/= muslim



just so you guys know, some of you seem confused
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Angantyr on December 03, 2015, 07:41:08 pm
I thought traditional radicalised Islamic women were supposed to be too downtrodden to do anything like this, seems a little bit too... 'empowering' (lol) for that.
Muslim women can become martyrs, or 'Shahida', according to scripture. Actually the first Islamic martyr was a woman, and there's many since, including suicide bombers.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Xant on December 03, 2015, 07:54:27 pm
Muslim women can become martyrs, or 'Shahida', according to scripture. Actually the first Islamic martyr was a woman, and there's many since, including suicide bombers.
No Angantyr, seems a bit 'empowering' (lol) so it couldn't be Islam :) :) :)
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Christo on December 03, 2015, 08:04:20 pm
Damn,
Out of all the places to murder people why go after a support center for people with developmental disabilities???

Because easier targets? I mean, it is more effective to kill those.

also these impure people are not allowed to live anyway, allahu akbar

Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Lt_Anders on December 03, 2015, 08:48:54 pm
I meant their religion douche bag. Of course a shooting would be of this size. That's a given.

Whilst lone shooters are more common there are plenty of reports of mass shootings involving more than one gunman and guess what? They weren't Muslim.

Google is your friend.

According to the FBI, in 160 mass shootings, only 2 had multiple shooters, the February 1983 killings at the Wah Mee gambling and social club in Seattle and the Columbine High School massacre in Littleton, Colorado, in 1999.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/us/san-bernardino-shootings-multiple-suspects-rare/

Fucking idiot. Do your research before you type it out.

Also: "Best" Gun control state in US.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Oberyn on December 03, 2015, 08:56:00 pm
But but assault rifles are banned for legal sale in California, how could they possibly have gotten hold of them? Don't you know if they had the same stringent gun control as in France this never would've happened? The AK-47's and explosives and RPG's and all the other military grade equipment that was used and found in France and Belgium and everywhere muslims just happen to be a majority are obviously due to NRA and evil 'Murrican gunnut worship influence. Fucking murcan rednecks probably exported them to these poor muslims who were forced to use them, the extreme and violent racist opression they are subjected to daily left them no choice.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Xant on December 03, 2015, 08:58:36 pm
According to the FBI, in 160 mass shootings, only 2 had multiple shooters, the February 1983 killings at the Wah Mee gambling and social club in Seattle and the Columbine High School massacre in Littleton, Colorado, in 1999.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/us/san-bernardino-shootings-multiple-suspects-rare/

Fucking idiot. Do your research before you type it out.

Also: "Best" Gun control state in US.
"On August 27, 2011, two men opened fire at a house party in Queens, New York, wounding 11 people, after one of them had gotten into an argument. And on April 6, 2012, two men fired from their vehicle as they drove through the streets of Tulsa, Oklahoma, killing three people and wounding two others."

Ten points to anyone who can spot the difference between these two instances and a planned attack with assault rifles and homemade bombs + shoot out with the cops later.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Xant on December 03, 2015, 09:08:00 pm
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(CNN)Syed Rizwan Farook -- who along with his wife, Tashfeen Malik, carried out the San Bernardino shooting massacre -- apparently was radicalized and in touch with people being investigated by the FBI for international terrorism, law enforcement officials said Thursday.

Shock! Surprise!
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on December 03, 2015, 09:14:41 pm
That comment was made well before the names (or ethnicity) of these suspects was released. My opinion goes for everyone who picks up a gun and goes on a killing spree regardless of beliefs or skin color... But also quite hilarious that your alarms go off and you would assume I'm a racist because of my alternative opinions on justice.

As for gun control: If we are going to take away firearms from everyone in the country because 0.01% of gun owners go out and kill someone with their gun... Then we should also take cars away from everyone because a small fraction of drivers drive recklessly and end up killing people on the road with their vehicle due to their reckless driving.
Also I think gun ownership should be a right that is protected, but I don't think it should be a free for all where anyone can buy a gun with no background checks... Background checks should be a requirement on all firearm sales and responsibly storing a firearm should also be a requirement. The people who left their loaded firearm under a couch cushion only to have a 6 year old pick it up and shoot herself dead recently should most definitely be charged with a crime, get prison time and lose their rights to own firearms. Gun control isn't really a simple yes/no solution.

What i wrote was directed at Xant.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Grytviken on December 03, 2015, 11:12:07 pm
I don't think there's going to be a trial.

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Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Vibe on December 03, 2015, 11:26:45 pm
Shock! Surprise!

Heh yep. The profile really didn't fit a nutcase shooting or something gang related. The targets, a married couple (with a kid even), employed, assault rifles..

But hey guys it's cool to hop on the muslim defense bandwagon.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Kafein on December 03, 2015, 11:41:59 pm
Saint-Denis

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Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Sir_Hans on December 03, 2015, 11:50:43 pm
Child protective services should take away their 6 month old daughter and give her to some Christian foster parents.
:lol:

Less chance of her ending up like her parents.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Overdriven on December 03, 2015, 11:51:33 pm
Don't you know if they had the same stringent gun control as in France this never would've happened?

In fairness those guns were obtained in Belgium...
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Kafein on December 03, 2015, 11:58:12 pm
In Belgium when we do mass shootings we do them with frag grenades.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Xant on December 03, 2015, 11:58:39 pm
In fairness those guns were obtained in Belgium...
Which just proves Oberyn's point.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Christo on December 04, 2015, 12:14:30 am
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Butan on December 04, 2015, 12:18:11 am
"On August 27, 2011, two men opened fire at a house party in Queens, New York, wounding 11 people, after one of them had gotten into an argument. And on April 6, 2012, two men fired from their vehicle as they drove through the streets of Tulsa, Oklahoma, killing three people and wounding two others."

Ten points to anyone who can spot the difference between these two instances and a planned attack with assault rifles and homemade bombs + shoot out with the cops later.

Difference= there was less than 4 deaths, so it was not a mass shooting  :P
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Tagora on December 04, 2015, 12:18:39 am
Right it probably wasn't ISIS, It was Islamic extremism. ISIS is just a portion of the Islamic Extremist picture.
A muslim doesn't have to be a member of ISIS to take the koran literally and murder people who aren't muslims.

3:15 PM - Havelle: tell hans that i think everything he said in this thread is really stupid
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Turkhammer on December 04, 2015, 12:22:48 am
In fairness those guns were obtained in Belgium...

Does Belgium have any less gun control for civilians than France?

This whole incident smells like a free lance attack inspired by radical muslim propaganda.  The final spark was probably work place related confrontation.  The pair had obviously planned something for a long while.  They had 1600 rounds in the suv and a dozen or so pipe bombs at home.  They came all suited up.  Not sure if they had ballistic vests or not.  They even dropped their 6 month old off at grand ma's house on the way to the attack.  Shows a certain amount of fanatical commitment. 

He was born in US of Pakistani parents. She was born in Pakistan.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Butan on December 04, 2015, 12:29:27 am
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Christo on December 04, 2015, 12:41:21 am
No Butan, do it right.


Believe the Greene.

AMTV is giving you the real truths.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Turkhammer on December 04, 2015, 12:43:53 am
No Butan, do it right.


Believe the Greene.

AMTV is giving you the real truths.

Nah Christo, that's a fail.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Christo on December 04, 2015, 12:44:35 am
Nah Christo, that's a fail.

And you are mad.  :lol:

Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Turkhammer on December 04, 2015, 12:58:50 am
And you are mad.  :lol:

Not really, just discerning.

Perpetrators had contact with Islamic extremists and terrorists apparently.
https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/news/san-bernardino-shooting-7-latest-developments-172902324.html?ref=gs (https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/news/san-bernardino-shooting-7-latest-developments-172902324.html?ref=gs)
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Christo on December 04, 2015, 01:04:48 am
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Angantyr on December 04, 2015, 01:15:02 am
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Fascinatingly stupid comments on these two videos. Even for Youtube. Seen something similar on a few videos about the Paris attacks (apparantly also a 'hoax' ), 'truthers' seem to have just been multiplying since 9/11.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Christo on December 04, 2015, 05:46:57 am
Mr.Greene is my favorite nutcase to watch when it comes to this crap.

It's hilarious  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Vovka on December 04, 2015, 09:02:09 am
this would not have happened if the parents of mentally ill children have taught them to handle weapons and would put a gun in their lunchbox
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Umbra on December 04, 2015, 09:14:07 am
Like what, you dumb cunt piece of shit? Get into interminable fist fights and violent conflicts that they impose on me? Shout back the same racist, hateful slurs they shout at me? Had enough of that in my adolescence.  There's only so much the police can do, especially in the apparently non-existent no-go zones where ambulances and firefighters get attacked just because they're french and not the backwards thirdworld shitstains that poisoned the entire area. You think society gives a shit? Look at your own contemptible response. "you might imagine that a muslim walking on the same side of the road as you is an act of intolerance". There it is again, the utter contempt. Yeah buddy, some muslim didn't properly genuflect and bow down before my white superiority, that's clearly what bothers me. It's not the constant violence and hatred, stuff that would be considered horrible neo-chocolate chip cookie KKK racism if it was aimed the other way around. You're either blind or you're just not european. Again, Heskey, are you white?

BTFO, Heskey on suicide watch.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Molly on December 04, 2015, 09:41:57 am
Fascinatingly stupid comments on these two videos. Even for Youtube. Seen something similar on a few videos about the Paris attacks (apparantly also a 'hoax' ), 'truthers' seem to have just been multiplying since 9/11.
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okay, if this is a CIA type operation, then I think they chose to kill mentally handicapped people as a way to get the shooters to do the job, perhaps convincing them that these people are less of some damage to society, or maybe even suggesting that targeting them is good for balancing the budget. I'm just speculating.

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Did you see that the man wearing the ball cap on tv....did you see what the symbol was? If anyone understands this then they know "who" was behind the incident. Thanks for posting this vid today keep it going and keep spreading the truth Christopher.

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Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Butan on December 04, 2015, 01:49:28 pm
Mr.Greene is my favorite nutcase to watch when it comes to this crap.

It's hilarious  :mrgreen:


When I saw the video's title I published "What they're NOT telling you", I though it would be the same kind of crap. I was happily surprised that it was mainly a critic against political agenda and people bandwaggoning on things they dont even know shit.


Fascinatingly stupid comments on these two videos. Even for Youtube. Seen something similar on a few videos about the Paris attacks (apparantly also a 'hoax' ), 'truthers' seem to have just been multiplying since 9/11.

I also think people back in the US are grasping at everything possible to protect their constitutional rights. Making up theories that shouldnt be said by grown-ups, or at least, not on youtube, but in private, for the lulz at best.

But when we see those comments, we should also keep in mind that its a defensive reaction to daily political manipulation. People think there is conspiracy everywhere because we dont believe in our political bodies anymore.
When I listen to Obama pushing for more gun controls in the US, the way he does it, when he does, and with the same repeated arguments (and with the latest narrative fail with San Bernardino), I can understand that everytime there is an event that could be used by the government to push for more laws, people grasp at straws, because they have no other options.


Now, its important to also keep an open mind and hear every arguments, because we have to accept that we dont know the truth.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Leshma on December 04, 2015, 02:50:21 pm
Will they ever catch them alive for questioning or is that too much to ask?
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on December 04, 2015, 03:06:45 pm
Occasions like these are the only times they get to fire their lovely guns and fill people with bullets. They probably don't want to waste the opportunity by catching the guys alive.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Paul on December 04, 2015, 03:12:47 pm
Catching someone armed and determined alive puts one at serious risk.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Panos_ on December 04, 2015, 03:42:12 pm
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Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Butan on December 04, 2015, 04:07:29 pm
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 :rolleyes: :lol:

Make a "enhanced edition/premium members/early backers" version, by all means :P
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Moncho on December 04, 2015, 08:11:59 pm
Right it probably wasn't ISIS, It was Islamic extremism. ISIS is just a portion of the Islamic Extremist picture.
A muslim doesn't have to be a member of ISIS to take the koran literally and murder people who aren't muslims.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/04/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html
San Bernardino shooting: Attacker pledged allegiance to ISIS, officials say
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Sir_Hans on December 04, 2015, 11:36:14 pm
Well what d'you know. I was wrong.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Lt_Anders on December 04, 2015, 11:46:41 pm
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/04/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html
San Bernardino shooting: Attacker pledged allegiance to ISIS, officials say

CLick that link.
In big letters next to it:
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/02/politics/donald-trump-terrorists-families/index.html?iid=ob_lockedrail_topeditorial&iref=obnetwork
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Sir_Hans on December 05, 2015, 12:06:52 am
CLick that link.
In big letters next to it:
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/02/politics/donald-trump-terrorists-families/index.html?iid=ob_lockedrail_topeditorial&iref=obnetwork

Well yeah, if you are bombing ISIS in syria and they are hiding behind their families as human shield, you have to take their families out of the area before you can start bombing ISIS. Move them to a designated safe zone where everyone is disarmed... then proceed to obliterate every square inch of ISIS territory outside of the safe zones.

Unless of course you think we should just bomb their families to get to the ISIS members hiding amongst them?

If you read the article it becomes pretty clear he wasn't talking about killing their families.

The billionaire businessman was asked by the hosts of Fox News' "Fox and Friends" how to fight ISIS but also minimize civilian causalities when terrorists often use human shields.

Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: [ptx] on December 05, 2015, 12:25:50 am
Well yeah, if you are bombing ISIS in syria and they are hiding behind their families as human shield, you have to take their families out of the area before you can start bombing ISIS. Move them to a designated safe zone where everyone is disarmed... then proceed to obliterate every square inch of ISIS territory outside of the safe zones.

Unless of course you think we should just bomb their families to get to the ISIS members hiding amongst them?

If you read the article it becomes pretty clear he wasn't talking about killing their families.

The billionaire businessman was asked by the hosts of Fox News' "Fox and Friends" how to fight ISIS but also minimize civilian causalities when terrorists often use human shields.
First paragraph:
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Washington (CNN)Donald Trump said Wednesday that he would kill the families of terrorists in order to win the fight against ISIS.

Well what d'you know. I was wrong.

Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Xant on December 05, 2015, 12:27:11 am
http://crimeresearch.org/2015/12/france-suffered-more-casualties-murders-and-injuries-from-mass-public-shootings-in-2015-than-the-us-has-suffered-during-obamas-entire-presidency-508-to-424-2/
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Sir_Hans on December 05, 2015, 12:38:10 am
First paragraph:
Washington (CNN)Donald Trump said Wednesday that he would kill the families of terrorists in order to win the fight against ISIS.

That's called yellow journalism.
If you listen to Trump's own words he clearly says "Take out" not kill.

They are trying real hard to take his words out of context and make it seem like he is suggesting we kill/murder isis families.
Listen to the entire clip (not the cnn clip of trumps response).
Of course CNN is going to misinterpret his words to make a bigger more sensationalized story while simultaneously making their worst enemy look bad... They've been doing this since he began leading in the polls.

This is why you don't let the media interpret things for your unused little brain.
Listen to the question he was asked and his response in its entire context....
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Xant on December 05, 2015, 12:39:12 am
Yes, Trump means take out (to dinner).
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Turkhammer on December 05, 2015, 12:45:37 am
Occasions like these are the only times they get to fire their lovely guns and fill people with bullets. They probably don't want to waste the opportunity by catching the guys alive.

That is a monumentally stupid comment.

How do you capture someone who wants to die, has just committed a mass shooting and is firing an AR-15 rifle at police in a residential area?  Do you think that a couple that had just done mass murder and had dropped their 6 month old off at the grandparents on the way to the massacre was in a mindset to meekly surrender?  The police did exactly the right thing, to protect the public from further killing.  Just like the French police did in St Denis and at the theater in Paris.  I suppose you think they were trigger happy too?
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Sir_Hans on December 05, 2015, 12:46:15 am
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The billionaire businessman was asked by the hosts of Fox News' "Fox and Friends" how to fight ISIS but also minimize civilian causalities when terrorists often use human shields.

Damn you people are dense.

If you're going to criticize someone for what they say, at least understand what they are saying in context.
He used a poor choice of words but what he is saying is completely opposite of CNN's yellow journalism interpretation.


Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Kafein on December 05, 2015, 12:51:30 am
Fascinatingly stupid comments on these two videos. Even for Youtube. Seen something similar on a few videos about the Paris attacks (apparantly also a 'hoax' ), 'truthers' seem to have just been multiplying since 9/11.

Considering how pathetic the handling of the 9/11 truthers has been, this is not exactly surprising.

http://crimeresearch.org/2015/12/france-suffered-more-casualties-murders-and-injuries-from-mass-public-shootings-in-2015-than-the-us-has-suffered-during-obamas-entire-presidency-508-to-424-2/

Ah, semantics.

As for the gun control thing between Belgium and France: gun control is slightly more lax in Belgium. But the law still prohibits civilians to own automatics, so gun control isn't really the issue. The issue is gun trafficking which is very active in Belgium as with all kinds of smuggling compared to neighbor countries. Belgium is a natural hub binding most of Western Europe, so that's naturally where trade goes, legal and illegal.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on December 05, 2015, 01:20:03 am
That is a monumentally stupid comment.

How do you capture someone who wants to die, has just committed a mass shooting and is firing an AR-15 rifle at police in a residential area?  Do you think that a couple that had just done mass murder and had dropped their 6 month old off at the grandparents on the way to the massacre was in a mindset to meekly surrender?  The police did exactly the right thing, to protect the public from further killing.  Just like the French police did in St Denis and at the theater in Paris.  I suppose you think they were trigger happy too?

Let me tell you something: I am not going to ask a dumbfuck what a stupid comment is.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Xant on December 05, 2015, 01:22:54 am
The public hysteria about "automatic" weapons is ridiculous. Literally driven by movies where the hero heroically hipfires full auto AK-47s -- two of them at the same time, naturally. Automatic weapons are, if anything, less dangerous than semi-automic weapons, unless we're talking about machine guns.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Leshma on December 05, 2015, 01:30:24 am
I don't think Trump was talking about families of terrorists located in middle east. You see, those first Facebook pictures that popped up weren't of the killer but his brothers who has very similar name. Trump was probably talking of those families. Wouldn't surprise me, he was the one who called that American doctor who contracted Ebola, to stay in Africa and deal with consequences of his actions. Trump is saying everything average redneck wants to hear.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Voncrow on December 05, 2015, 01:55:57 am
Let me tell you something: I am not going to ask a dumbfuck what a stupid comment is.

He's not telling you to ask him what a stupid comment is, he's telling you your comment is stupid. Which he provided decent reasoning for saying its stupid. Of course instead of responding with what you think would be a more reasonable course of action for taking out Armed and Dangerous criminals you can just call the guy stupid even if that doesn't make his argument any less valid.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on December 05, 2015, 02:19:58 am
He's not telling you to ask him what a stupid comment is, he's telling you your comment is stupid. Which he provided decent reasoning for saying its stupid. Of course instead of responding with what you think would be a more reasonable course of action for taking out Armed and Dangerous criminals you can just call the guy stupid even if that doesn't make his argument any less valid.

It is possible to pacify the assailants especially when they are no longer within a crowd or not holding someone hostage. Not saying easy, just possible.

As for your rhetorical response to my previous reply, suffice to say that I don't respect someone who jumps in by calling you/your comment stupid. Not nearly enough to care to properly respond to his so-called arguement.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Grytviken on December 05, 2015, 02:27:30 am
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Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Sir_Hans on December 05, 2015, 08:54:42 am
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Look how fucking ugly these people are.  :lol:
They must have made one fugly daughter!


Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Xant on December 05, 2015, 10:08:46 am
Neither of them are particularly ugly. The dude especially would actually be fairly good looking in a normal situation (not having half-awake eyes).

And why bring their daughter's looks into this? Weird fucking comment.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Sir_Hans on December 05, 2015, 11:23:35 am
Damn xant... you have some low standards...
These people are ugly as hell.

Their daughter gets their looks from these two, that's what it has to do with them.

"fairly good looking"? Sounds like you want to suck some ackbar penis  :lol:
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Prpavi on December 05, 2015, 11:37:10 am


lol Info Wars, legit
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Xant on December 05, 2015, 11:54:28 am
Damn xant... you have some low standards...
These people are ugly as hell.

Their daughter gets their looks from these two, that's what it has to do with them.

"fairly good looking"? Sounds like you want to suck some ackbar penis  :lol:
You sound like a twelve year old.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Paul on December 05, 2015, 12:06:52 pm
Do you think he is insufferable, Xant?
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Panos_ on December 05, 2015, 12:13:50 pm
Occasions like these are the only times they get to fire their lovely guns and fill people with bullets. They probably don't want to waste the opportunity by catching the guys alive.

Well mate, some people deserve to live, while others deserve to be bombed back to the fucking stone age.

Guess where those two goatfucking pricks deserve to be.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on December 05, 2015, 12:24:19 pm
I don't think they deserve to live either. You know me well enough to tell my views about snackbars in general.

I only think their motives should have been found out. But nevermind. Looks like they have already been identified as IS goatfuckers anyway.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Christo on December 05, 2015, 03:43:49 pm

dat drop though
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Xant on December 05, 2015, 03:53:26 pm
Do you think he is insufferable, Xant?
Good, that's better -- you put some effort into that one! You've made me proud, and I firmly believe you have a bright future ahead of you.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Tagora on December 05, 2015, 07:57:53 pm
laffing @ all the cucks who still think Muslims are misunderstood leftists.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Umbra on December 05, 2015, 08:56:41 pm
Good, that's better -- you put some effort into that one! You've made me proud, and I firmly believe you have a bright future ahead of you.

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Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Tibe on December 05, 2015, 09:19:08 pm
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Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Grytviken on December 06, 2015, 12:23:49 am
laffing @ all the cucks who still think Muslims are misunderstood leftists.


 The American-Islamic Relations group came out to seek sympathy for Muslims in a press conference immediately after the attack along with the terrorist's brother before any details were even released about the identity of the attacker or what happened. It's great to know the government cares about protecting their religion more than informing friends, relatives and the general public about what happened. Yesterday this same Islamic relations group released a statement saying "the United States bears responsibility and blame for this attack". These PR groups have no shame about openly admitting they demonize western society all the while spreading this harmful message to all their followers so the next future terrorist can be inspired.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on December 06, 2015, 06:22:07 pm
Criminals deserve due process of the law. The minute we allow the government the power to just kill whoever they believe to be a big enough criminal on a whim is the day we the citizens will lose any power we have left. Also I like how if they were white with any connection at all to Christianity they'd be labeled as white supremacist christian gorilla warriors.

Well, since the NDAA (National Defense Authorization Act) that got passed a few years ago allowed for indefinite detention of U.S. citizens without charge, under the guise of "homeland/national security"....I don't reckon that being able to blast a motherfucker on a whim is too far off, is it?

But I like your sentiment. Unfortunately, it may have come a bit too late, from a bit too few people, with just more than a small lack of gumption or initiative.

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I'm going to take the southern approach and maintain at least partial self-sufficiency and copious distribution of firearms among a tight-knit community of capable friends and family. Fuck everything else, we got our crops, our gats, and more than likely moonshine production facilities. Don't need anything else.

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Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on December 06, 2015, 09:48:17 pm
Well, since the NDAA (National Defense Authorization Act) that got passed a few years ago allowed for indefinite detention of U.S. citizens without charge, under the guise of "homeland/national security"....I don't reckon that being able to blast a motherfucker on a whim is too farm off, is it?

But I like your sentiment. Unfortunately, it may have come a bit too late, from a bit too few people, with just more than a small lack of gumption or initiative.

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I'm going to take the southern approach and maintain at least partial self-sufficiency and copious distribution of firearms among a tight-knit community of capable friends and family. Fuck everything else, we got our crops, our gats, and more than likely moonshine production facilities. Don't need anything else.

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I remember when the NDAA was being passed I was really pissed off and trying to raise awareness about it. No one gave a shit lol. But yeah the NDAA is a load of horse shit the government shouldn't be allowed to arrest people indefinitely. And they have to suspect you of "being a terrorist" but if you read the law that isn't defined anywhere in it and they dont actually have to present any proof.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: pepejul on December 06, 2015, 10:27:24 pm
YAY we are proud americans ! We love fight ! We are so stronk !

YAY we feel so stronk with guns ! yay !

YAy ! big gun ! good for us !
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Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Sir_Hans on December 06, 2015, 11:19:31 pm
Not sure why you hate america so much pepe...
Many other countries have higher gun related homicides per capita than the U.S. even though we have the most guns per capita of any other country,
and in case you didn't notice, we weren't the ones attacking civilians in your capital less than a month ago

Seems like you have some misguided feelings.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: [ptx] on December 06, 2015, 11:31:13 pm
No amount of given away looms and gold will make you less of an idiot, Pepe.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: WarLord on December 06, 2015, 11:37:11 pm
Not sure why you hate america so much pepe...
Many other countries have higher gun related homicides per capita than the U.S. even though we have the most guns per capita of any other country,
and in case you didn't notice, we weren't the ones attacking civilians in your capital less than a month ago

Seems like you have some misguided feelings.

Pepe hates every white non-muslim, in case you didn't notice yet. He also hates european, especially french, culture to the very core and whishes death to all his fellow countrymen (except the muslim ones). At least thats what I'm getting out of his confused posts.  Sadly there are alot of people like him in Germany too.

I just read that the right wing party did get 20-30% in the regional elections, and the trend is they will get similar or even more % 2017 in presidential elections. I guess "Soumission" will become cruel reality in a few years then, when socialists, leftists, green and all "liberal" parties unite to stop the evil racist white oppressors from getting into government.

Maybe there won't be a muslim party in a few years, but still, it just means there will be another leftist muppet in charge and continue to tear france apart until nothing is left of it. What a shame.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: pepejul on December 06, 2015, 11:41:06 pm
You liars.. I hate religions. Not believers. I don't care about color or origin, I only judge behaviours. I see violence in terrorists and in gun lovers.

I hate blacks and white if they are murderers. I don't fear pple who are different, I juste Hate HAters.

You think I m an idiot... ok... but I don't need a gun to feel as a man. That is my difference. Deal with it and think about it.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Grytviken on December 07, 2015, 12:15:19 am
You liars.. I hate religions. Not believers. I don't care about color or origin, I only judge behaviours. I see violence in terrorists and in gun lovers.

I hate blacks and white if they are murderers. I don't fear pple who are different, I juste Hate HAters.

You think I m an idiot... ok... but I don't need a gun to feel as a man. That is my difference. Deal with it and think about it.

The only chance these lardasses will shoot you is if you cut in front of them at macdonalds or if you break into their mancave while they are watching hentai, hardly a threat to society. Gun obsession is a cultural problem just like terrorism is an Islamic problem.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Kafein on December 07, 2015, 12:20:39 am

dat drop though

That whole channel deserves so much more tbh
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: pepejul on December 07, 2015, 12:36:31 am
They were terrorists with guns :
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They weren't islamists
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Sir_Hans on December 07, 2015, 12:51:26 am
I hate blacks and white if they are murderers. I don't fear pple who are different, I juste Hate HAters.

You think I m an idiot... ok... but I don't need a gun to feel as a man. That is my difference. Deal with it and think about it.

But you aren't hating on murderes, you are hating on Americans and Gun owners...
I don't need a gun to "feel as a man"... Infact I own 0 firearms. But that doesn't stop me from thinking that responsible Americans should be allowed to own firearms... Many people live in very ghetto areas, Many people live out in the boonies where cops would take an hour or longer to reach them, even if they were able to call the cops, many people enjoy hunting and many people just enjoy going to a shooting range and shooting at targets... Owning a firearm does not mean you are a bloodthirsty murderer and being an American and also supporting peoples rights to own a firearm doesn't make you a bloodthirsty murderer either.

I'm all for stricter regulation on firearms in the form of more thorough background checks as well as mandatory background checks for every sale of a firearm whether its commercial or private and regardless of what state it is in. What I don't agree with is taking away everyone's firearms because of a handful of sensationalized cases of mass murderes and islamic scum using firearms to harm innocent people...

Hating a nation full of people because there are a lot of guns here makes no sense. It makes you a bigot with misled prejudice.

They were terrorists with guns :
They weren't islamists

That's cute, How about you make a list of terrorist attacks in the last 50 years in which the perpetrators were not islam, and I'll make a list of terrorist attacks in which perpetrators were inspired by islam and we see which list has more casualties.
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Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Grytviken on December 07, 2015, 12:54:19 am
They weren't islamists

 one thing has nothing to do with the other.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: pepejul on December 07, 2015, 01:28:51 am
I didn't say I hate americans... I hate big fat americans with guns. Most of US ppl are smart and I love them !
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: pepejul on December 07, 2015, 01:30:01 am
one thing has nothing to do with the other.

Thank you : some terrorists are islamists, many are not. Some muslims are terrorists, many of them are not.

So islam has nothing to do with terrorrism.

Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: [ptx] on December 07, 2015, 01:36:08 am
Some pepes are rare and clever, many of them are not.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Christo on December 07, 2015, 01:39:58 am
Some pepes are rare and clever, many of them are not.

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Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Paul on December 07, 2015, 05:19:54 am
Hold me.

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Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Xant on December 07, 2015, 05:49:49 am
No amount of given away looms and gold will make you less of an idiot, Pepe.
Pepe needs to bribe people with looms and gold to get them to say they like him.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Xant on December 07, 2015, 06:06:35 am
Good example of guns saving people:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/okla-man-beheads-woman-workplace-fight-report-article-1.1953778
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Sir_Hans on December 07, 2015, 07:12:53 am
So islam has nothing to do with terrorrism.

I think the worlds biggest and most notorious terrorist organizations would disagree with you.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Xant on December 07, 2015, 07:32:24 am
I think the worlds biggest and most notorious terrorist organizations would disagree with you.
Yeah, you know, the ones quoting the Quran word for word.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Turkhammer on December 07, 2015, 07:36:56 am
I didn't say I hate americans... I hate big fat americans with guns. Most of US ppl are smart and I love them !

I hate dumb ass Frenchmen that say stupid things.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Christo on December 07, 2015, 07:46:47 am
I miss Tovi.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Turkhammer on December 07, 2015, 07:48:31 am
Thank you : some terrorists are islamists, many are not. Some muslims are terrorists, many of them are not.

So islam has nothing to do with terrorrism.

MOST terrorists are Islamic is more correct.  And Salafism and Wahhabism have everything to do with terrorism. 
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Turkhammer on December 07, 2015, 07:54:52 am
Let me tell you something: I am not going to ask a dumbfuck what a stupid comment is.

A crushing come back.  That's two stupid comments.  Want to try for three?
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Turkhammer on December 07, 2015, 08:05:50 am
It is possible to pacify the assailants especially when they are no longer within a crowd or not holding someone hostage. Not saying easy, just possible.

As for your rhetorical response to my previous reply, suffice to say that I don't respect someone who jumps in by calling you/your comment stupid. Not nearly enough to care to properly respond to his so-called arguement.

But you don't explain how it is possible do you?  No, you just make a snide, sarcastic comment meant to convey that the police were just itching to kill anyone because they have new shiny toys.  And you said this about a situation in which two heavily armed people just murdered 14 people and wounded many others.  They had 6000 rounds of ammo and semi automatic rifles and pipe bombs and they were prepared to kill or die.  How is it possible to pacify them?  What is needed is to stop them as fast as possible, not to pacify them.  Your snarky comment was monumentally stupid because of what you try to convey with it.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Christo on December 07, 2015, 08:17:52 am
There is an edit post button you imbecile.

Try that instead of the minus button  :lol:
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Tibe on December 07, 2015, 08:44:27 am
Thank you : some terrorists are islamists, many are not. Some muslims are terrorists, many of them are not.

So islam has nothing to do with terrorrism.

If I cringe any more at this guys posts my face will be in this position permanently.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Xant on December 07, 2015, 09:47:47 am
Must be really easy to become a teacher in France...
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Paul on December 07, 2015, 10:21:49 am
At least for teaching smaller children I'd rather have a cheerful pepe than some cunt telling 'em that Ahmed isn't their friend because he belongs to those people.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Xant on December 07, 2015, 10:26:45 am
You must be blind if you think Pepe is "cheerful." He's spouting more hateful bullshit than anyone.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Paul on December 07, 2015, 11:01:23 am
He only said that he hates fat Americans with guns which perfectly fits the cRPG doctrine.

-no firearms
-NA banter
-judging gluttony

He is naïve, yes and his view of the world is.. childlike at best. He's on the right track though. The basic idea that all moslems are inherently fucked because of their shit religion and have to be taken care of is wrong to me. It will lead to a much greater conflict we have now - maybe even a catastrophe.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Xant on December 07, 2015, 11:12:59 am
No, that is not the only thing he's said.

He hates

-fat people
-people with guns
-guns
-religions
-americans
-people who disagree with him
-fascists*
-racists*
-terrorists*
-warlovers
-weak people
-scared people
-morons
-idealists
-stupid believers
-cunts

*he has his own definitions for these

And that's just from the first 4 pages of his post history. Here's some more pepe cheerfulness, after someone who was in the middle of it all said their prayers for Paris victims:

PRAY ???

FUCK OFF WITH YOUR RELIGIONS !!!!
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Ikarus on December 07, 2015, 11:24:54 am
how the fuck did this thread get 11 pages long, people?
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Vibe on December 07, 2015, 11:26:35 am
I think we should all pray for PEPE. Clearly he is not right in the head. #PRAY4PEPE

how the fuck did this thread get 11 pages long, people?

How is this a surprise to you is beyond me.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Xant on December 07, 2015, 11:37:51 am
how the fuck did this thread get 11 pages long, people?
I know right, usually threads like these are very short-lived.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Molly on December 07, 2015, 11:39:10 am
The spam has always been strong in us.
Hardly surprising.  :oops:
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Moncho on December 07, 2015, 11:46:59 am
Not just this one, the London one made yesterday is already at 6. And all of these are the same few people spouting the same nonsense over and over without ever getting anywhere... but hey, the Ukraine is at 702 pages (over 10k replies), the refugees one at 86, so even with all the "Religion of Peace" threads around, Russia is still worse.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Butan on December 07, 2015, 01:09:13 pm
I miss Tovi.

+1

At least he wasnt a nonsensical hippy, and had understanding (if warped) of politics and life.




Here's some more pepe cheerfulness, after someone who was in the middle of it all said their prayers for Paris victims:
PRAY ???

FUCK OFF WITH YOUR RELIGIONS !!!!

Well, actually it was one of its most intelligent post in the last weeks. Thats something.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: pepejul on December 07, 2015, 01:17:05 pm
Look how you talk about me instead of ideas...

You just say "he's dumb, being teacher is easy (just come and try)..."  you lie about what I hate (just read my words instead of imagine them)

but... where are your argues ? Where are the facts ?

Someone is standing in front of you with no fear... you can't shot him. You are mad... but so powerless (no gun on internet !only your brain as weapon)

Keep attacking me on my RL and job... it won't change the reality of facts : you are scared and need weapon to feel safe. I don't need weapon caus' I'm not afraid.

This difference between us is huge.

Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Vibe on December 07, 2015, 01:23:48 pm
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but it is not our pepe

it won't change the reality of facts : you are scared and need weapon to feel safe. I don't need weapon caus' I'm not afraid.

This difference between us is huge.

pepe pepe, what are you even talking about
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Xant on December 07, 2015, 01:34:47 pm
Look how you talk about me instead of ideas...

You just say "he's dumb, being teacher is easy (just come and try)..."  you lie about what I hate (just read my words instead of imagine them)

but... where are your argues ? Where are the facts ?

Someone is standing in front of you with no fear... you can't shot him. You are mad... but so powerless (no gun on internet !only your brain as weapon)

Keep attacking me on my RL and job... it won't change the reality of facts : you are scared and need weapon to feel safe. I don't need weapon caus' I'm not afraid.

This difference between us is huge.
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Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: pepejul on December 07, 2015, 01:52:36 pm
Your best argue ? Nice.... you deserve to be armed. (You probably need it)
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Xant on December 07, 2015, 01:58:58 pm
Show me one (1) argument you have ever made.

For your consideration: argument; a coherent series of statements leading from a premise to a conclusion.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: pepejul on December 07, 2015, 02:49:50 pm
about what ?

Guns are a problem more than a solution : http://www.gallup.com/poll/14509/americans-guns-danger-defense.aspx

Guns at home are more dangerous for innocent than robbers and murderes : http://smartgunlaws.org/gun-deaths-and-injuries-statistics/

Muslims anti-terrorists too : http://www.m-a-t.org/

Muslims of the World condamn terrorism : http://qz.com/550104/muslims-around-the-world-condemn-terrorism-after-the-paris-attacks/

Let me see yours now...

In French : "argument" = fact wich make your reasoning valid.   I donno the english word (maybe "evidence" ?) for it.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on December 07, 2015, 03:06:38 pm
As a gun-adoring 120lb (that's like 53 kilos or some shit to you Euros) skellington, I feel as though I might narrowly miss PEPE's ire.

It isn't exactly proper to say that ownership of a firearm absolutely implies that the person is in constant fear for his/her life. I'm 24, and I've not once been a victim of any major crime; nor have I ever really been in much danger. Of course there have been some drunks wanting to fight, or some groups of unsavory sorts looking to roll people, but if you're aware of your surroundings and charasmatic/confident, you don't have to ventilate some motherfucker wanting to fight you, even if you're carrying a gun.

But I adore military history, and I love shooting guns. I enjoy the smell of gunpowder; it really gives me joy. Of course I'm extraordinarily loathe beyond words to actually end someone's life, even if they're trying to do the same for me. But as far as I'm concerned, someone initiating an act of violence has forfeited any right to safety they had.

It is a very big difference in culture; I've lived in a place for most of my life, in which I am not unlikely to hear many, many gunshots on Sundays or general weekends. People like to invite family over and shoot guns!

I'm not at all uncomfortable about this. If you heard a single gunshot where you live, you'd likely call the authorities. It is a very large cultural difference between us, and for someone claiming to be very tolerant (and likely proud of this fact), it seems rather hypocritical to denounce a culture for something you don't agree with.

You've not lived in the southern US, and I've not lived in mainland Europe. Of course our viewpoints are very different- but I'm perfectly willing to accept that you feel that firearms are a net negative upon any given society. I believe you should be willing to accept that I feel firearms are neither a net negative nor a net positive upon a given society.

As far as the religion argument goes, you probably think I'm an absolute jackass because I hold rather private beliefs, involving genuine faith in several deities.

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I don't think YOU'RE a jackass for being vehemently opposed to the very idea of a God or Gods. Could you do the same for me, please?




also I LOVE PEPE

Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Xant on December 07, 2015, 03:09:15 pm
about what ?

Guns are a problem more than a solution : http://www.gallup.com/poll/14509/americans-guns-danger-defense.aspx

Guns at home are more dangerous for innocent than robbers and murderes : http://smartgunlaws.org/gun-deaths-and-injuries-statistics/
http://forum.melee.org/general-off-topic/another-school-shooting-in-murrica-(oregon-edition)/msg1173014/#msg1173014

And lol @ using a fucking gallup to "prove" guns are a problem.

Quote
Muslims anti-terrorists too : http://www.m-a-t.org/
And?

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Muslims of the World condamn terrorism : http://qz.com/550104/muslims-around-the-world-condemn-terrorism-after-the-paris-attacks/
A few Muslims saying a few words =/= "Muslims of the world"

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Opinion-Polls.htm
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: pepejul on December 07, 2015, 03:36:05 pm
I don't know what a gall'up is sorry.

So, you agree that all muslim are not all terrorists ? It is a first good thing.  MAybe you'll admit soon that weapons at home are dangerous...

Unfortunatly my english isn't sufficient to debate like I want to.

And to be honest I love history and weapons, I love gunpowdersmell etc.. I have friends hunters and I love the feeling of hot steel on my skin after the shot... I never said I hate guns. (some lowbrained nned to learn how to read) I just say : having a gun at home or in street is more dangerous for pple AND for society.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Xant on December 07, 2015, 03:38:50 pm
I don't know what a gall'up is sorry.

So, you agree that all muslim are not all terrorists ? It is a first good thing.
So you agree that you can't refute my arguments? That's what I thought.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on December 07, 2015, 03:45:59 pm
I don't know what a gall'up is sorry.

It's just an opinion poll; not rooted in any facts, but only judging the perception of a given population (assuming the poll is done perfectly)

So, you agree that all muslim are not all terrorists ? It is a first good thing.  MAybe you'll admit soon that weapons at home are dangerous...

Nobody is saying that all muslims are terrorists; this is a belief that YOU are putting into other people's mouths to make them look stupid. Some people ARE saying that Islam has a net-negative value on the world today. I'm not saying either of these things. I haven't done enough research.



Unfortunatly my english isn't sufficient to debate like I want to.

And to be honest I love history and weapons, I love gunpowdersmell etc.. I have friends hunters and I love the feeling of hot steel on my skin after the shot... I never said I hate guns. (some lowbrained nned to learn how to read) I just say : having a gun at home or in street is more dangerous for pple AND for society.

I will NOT "admit" (lol) that firearms for the specific purpose of home defense, stored properly and its owners drilled properly are dangerous for anyone abiding by the law. It is unfortunate that many gun-owners are idiotic, but I will not compromise my personal right to self-defense and firearm ownership based upon the fact that many, many people are far more stupid than I am.




Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Paul on December 07, 2015, 04:05:44 pm
So

pepe -> very few muslims are terrorist material

><ant -> a significant amount of muslims are terrorist material

?
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Butan on December 07, 2015, 04:48:42 pm
So

pepe -> very few muslims are terrorist material

><ant -> a significant amount of muslims are terrorist material

?


More like

pepe -> muslims has no relevance to terrorism

><ant -> islam is terrorist material so all muslims can be a terrorist so... (end of line of thinking)
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Tibe on December 07, 2015, 05:25:38 pm
pepe pepe, what are you even talking about

Some wierd hippie lovestuff.

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Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Turkhammer on December 07, 2015, 11:09:26 pm
There is an edit post button you imbecile.

Try that instead of the minus button  :lol:

Too much work plus it annoys you.
My minuses have to equal or exceed yours, genius.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Leshma on December 08, 2015, 02:04:45 am
http://thechive.com/2012/12/06/apparently-you-can-make-an-ak-47-out-of-just-about-anything-25-photos/
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Macbeth3 on December 08, 2015, 12:37:54 pm
No offence, but lately I've been running out of fucks to give. It's not that I don't care, but if every week something like this goes on, you start to just not give a damn anymore.

And I don't care whatever religion perpetrators or victims are. I Criticize and "hate" every religion equally, yet I still respect other people's views and freedom of (or lack of) religion. The only thing happening is Islam getting the negative spotlight on itself, thus more people talk about it, gets discussed more and criticized more. Does that mean people are actively attacking islam? No. It simply means people feel justified in attacking it.

If I would see a Christian man or group attack Islamic people, I would behave the very same as I am behaving right now. Like i said, I Criticize and "hate" every religion equally.

I'm not against the notion of a God or Gods. I simply don't believe in it myself. If people could give Irrefutable, Indisputable  proof of the existence of their version of God, I will gladly convert.

Untill then, I'll just view every terrorist attack or act of violence as violent loonies snapping, regardless of their world views.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Xant on December 08, 2015, 12:44:28 pm
Thanks for the PSA.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Tagora on December 08, 2015, 06:15:54 pm
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Bravo, France.

lol
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Kafein on December 08, 2015, 06:29:08 pm
Second row of voting *could* turn a few of these blue, but really the message is clear.

Most of FN's propositions are balls to the walls insane. They managed to campaign on the absence of political offer of the two other parties (especially the right wing one) when it comes to immigration. When they try to convince small business owners or really anybody not knee-deep in social-status-induced retardation, suddenly their anti-EU stance becomes a major problem.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Algarn on December 08, 2015, 07:02:32 pm
Second row of voting *could* turn a few of these blue, but really the message is clear.

Most of FN's propositions are balls to the walls insane. They managed to campaign on the absence of political offer of the two other parties (especially the right wing one) when it comes to immigration. When they try to convince small business owners or really anybody not knee-deep in social-status-induced retardation, suddenly their anti-EU stance becomes a major problem.

Most of the FN's propositions are just retarded, like the party itself. According to them, women should stay at home, borders should be entirely closed (ideally), no contraception or shit like that, and they're probably gonna mess with education and research in a bad way if they're elected. It's like having 40% of prehistorical men in France, living within the 21th century and causing harm to the others that don't want to get back to the Stone Age.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Molly on December 08, 2015, 07:39:58 pm
Most of the FN's propositions are just retarded, like the party itself. According to them, women should stay at home, borders should be entirely closed (ideally), no contraception or shit like that, and they're probably gonna mess with education and research in a bad way if they're elected. It's like having 40% of prehistorical men in France, living within the 21th century and causing harm to the others that don't want to get back to the Stone Age.
Careful, I'd bet all my looms they got Oberyn's vote. So, better not call them retarded! :3
He's gonna be unmuted at some point.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Butan on December 08, 2015, 08:05:31 pm
FN is not only entirely retarded, its a bit too much of a shortcut to political criticism.
Whatever is my opinion, I think France is going to be steered by them if nothing good happens in the next years. Or nothing really bad.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Turkhammer on December 08, 2015, 08:18:24 pm
No offence, but lately I've been running out of fucks to give. It's not that I don't care, but if every week something like this goes on, you start to just not give a damn anymore.

And I don't care whatever religion perpetrators or victims are. I Criticize and "hate" every religion equally, yet I still respect other people's views and freedom of (or lack of) religion. The only thing happening is Islam getting the negative spotlight on itself, thus more people talk about it, gets discussed more and criticized more. Does that mean people are actively attacking islam? No. It simply means people feel justified in attacking it.

If I would see a Christian man or group attack Islamic people, I would behave the very same as I am behaving right now. Like i said, I Criticize and "hate" every religion equally.

I'm not against the notion of a God or Gods. I simply don't believe in it myself. If people could give Irrefutable, Indisputable  proof of the existence of their version of God, I will gladly convert.

Untill then, I'll just view every terrorist attack or act of violence as violent loonies snapping, regardless of their world views.

Unfortunately MacBeth, Islam or a perverted form of it, has been the inspiration and justification for the large majority of attacks world wide.  The perpetrators are fanatics connected by a common thread.  They are not not loonies that suddenly snap.  Mosques in Europe have been used for promulgating jihad and Imams in those Muslim communities have preached violent jihad.  Does this mean that I think all Muslims are violent jihadists?  No, but it means that it is only common sense to pay more attention to the activities at Mosques and among imams and among fundamentalist Muslims.  Not to do so is to be naively blind.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Kafein on December 08, 2015, 08:39:35 pm
Careful, I'd bet all my looms they got Oberyn's vote. So, better not call them retarded! :3
He's gonna be unmuted at some point.

To be honest I wouldn't be as categorical as Algarn, with or without Oberyn. You have to take into account FN's legacy of being really, really all about xenophobia. That has been turned around at least partially in the last decades. Today it's more like a nazi party without the sturmabteilung (yet) and without the specifically anti-semitic slant.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Algarn on December 08, 2015, 08:49:08 pm
Today it's more like a nazi party without the sturmabteilung (yet) and without the specifically anti-semitic slant.

Don't tell them, Marine le Pen is just a normal politician like everyone !

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The pic won't work somehow, here's is the article. Or just type Marine le Pen with Neo nazees, works too

http://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/politique/marine-le-pen-prend-la-pose-avec-deux-neo-nazis_980045.html
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Molly on December 08, 2015, 08:56:32 pm
To be honest I wouldn't be as categorical as Algarn, with or without Oberyn. You have to take into account FN's legacy of being really, really all about xenophobia. That has been turned around at least partially in the last decades. Today it's more like a nazi party without the sturmabteilung (yet) and without the specifically anti-semitic slant.
I know. Reason for kicking out daddy...
When are the next elections in Netherlands? Wilders gonna have a field day too.


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Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Kafein on December 08, 2015, 08:57:28 pm
Oh, your typical skinhead neo-nazis are less nazi than the FN, politically. What I'm talking about is their propositions being specifically socialistic and nationalistic. "Bringing jobs back to France" and all that crap.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Grytviken on December 08, 2015, 09:06:12 pm
To be honest I wouldn't be as categorical as Algarn, with or without Oberyn. You have to take into account FN's legacy of being really, really all about xenophobia. That has been turned around at least partially in the last decades. Today it's more like a nazi party without the sturmabteilung (yet) and without the specifically anti-semitic slant.

Why do people have to  resort to a party like that in the first place, is there really any other choice at this point? According to the left ensuring the safety of nationals is racist, statistics are racist and anyone who disagrees is racist. The mob mentality of the left seems more in line with chocolate chip cookie ideology than the right imo.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kim-farbota/black-crime-rates-your-st_b_8078586.html

Here's a lovely example, according to the left wingers here statistics are racist.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Algarn on December 08, 2015, 09:56:24 pm
Oh, your typical skinhead neo-nazis are less nazi than the FN, politically. What I'm talking about is their propositions being specifically socialistic and nationalistic. "Bringing jobs back to France" and all that crap.

Neo nazees don't give a shit about economics, don't even know if they understand the word and what it implies after that. But you're kinda right, since on her program, the whole economical part is about stopping the imports, becoming self-efficient in almost everything (impossible to do in reality) and raise the borders back on. The lame thing is that it's the Socialist party's program, but with a "LOOK AT ME I'M SO FRENCH" sauce, and without any fucks given on how economics actually work.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: WarLord on December 08, 2015, 10:05:00 pm
Why do people have to  resort to a party like that in the first place, is there really any other choice at this point? According to the left ensuring the safety of nationals is racist, statistics are racist and anyone who disagrees is racist. The mob mentality of the left seems more in line with chocolate chip cookie ideology than the right imo.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kim-farbota/black-crime-rates-your-st_b_8078586.html

Here's a lovely example, according to the left wingers here statistics are racist.

Well, considering that in the eyes of most extreme left wingers and the Greens every white person is born guilty of being a racist, responsible for the holocaust and responsible for all evil in the world, the "Your statistics are racist!" thing doesn't even sound that crazy.  :lol:

Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Leshma on December 08, 2015, 10:40:35 pm
"Bringing jobs back to USA"

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Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Grytviken on December 08, 2015, 11:02:30 pm
Well, considering that in the eyes of most extreme left wingers and the Greens every white person is born guilty of being a racist, responsible for the holocaust and responsible for all evil in the world, the "Your statistics are racist!" thing doesn't even sound that crazy.  :lol:

  Left wing logic make's perfect sense. You can't blame Islam because most Muslims have nothing to do with terrorism just like you can't blame Germany because most Germans had nothing to do with the holocaust.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Kafein on December 08, 2015, 11:07:16 pm
Exactly why I won't support Trump ever Leshma, even though I'm absolutely content with the other Reps taking it in the anus.

Neo nazees don't give a shit about economics, don't even know if they understand the word and what it implies after that. But you're kinda right, since on her program, the whole economical part is about stopping the imports, becoming self-efficient in almost everything (impossible to do in reality) and raise the borders back on. The lame thing is that it's the Socialist party's program, but with a "LOOK AT ME I'M SO FRENCH" sauce, and without any fucks given on how economics actually work.

I think the FN is vastly more socialist than the PS. The difference being that the PS actually has competent people. It's not 100% ideologues, something quite rare for a left wing party stuck in the opposition for so long. Even better, the governing PS has some arguably right wing ministers. As much as this makes the government more effective in its missions, it blurs the line between the PS and the UMP (or whatever I'm supposed to call them now). Voting doesn't seem to matter.

Why do people have to  resort to a party like that in the first place, is there really any other choice at this point? According to the left ensuring the safety of nationals is racist, statistics are racist and anyone who disagrees is racist. The mob mentality of the left seems more in line with chocolate chip cookie ideology than the right imo.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kim-farbota/black-crime-rates-your-st_b_8078586.html

Here's a lovely example, according to the left wingers here statistics are racist.

You're projecting things from the US left. There is no equivalent of Salon in France.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Algarn on December 08, 2015, 11:51:30 pm
I think the FN is vastly more socialist than the PS. The difference being that the PS actually has competent people. It's not 100% ideologues, something quite rare for a left wing party stuck in the opposition for so long. Even better, the governing PS has some arguably right wing ministers. As much as this makes the government more effective in its missions, it blurs the line between the PS and the UMP (or whatever I'm supposed to call them now). Voting doesn't seem to matter.

Depends of what you mean by "socialist", if you think of it as a center left wing way of thinking, no, FN isn't socialist. It's populism (+ pure marxism at some extent) to me, Marine le Pen targets specifically the persons having reasons to feel fucked, and puts the blame on immigrants, gays, etc..; but much less on finance powers & banks as would do the extreme left. The thing that amuses me, is that it works. People from other origins often have either no job or shitty ones barely paid anything more than 1000€/month, so this means the "real french" wouldn't take the jobs anyway, gays aren't responsible of anything there, yet they're still going to be stigmatized... You can see the pattern if you aren't blind, which is saddly the case for 40% of the french now (or pretty soon).
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Leshma on December 09, 2015, 01:19:31 am
The difference being that the PS actually has competent people.

Only thing that matters in my book. Serbia elected former neo-nationalist party almost four years ago. They got more than half of total votes. What they didn't do? They didn't do anything they used to stand for (xenophobic ideas and rest of that crap). What they did? Put their people in charge. Bunch of lowlifes with no education or knowledge of any sort got to decide on things they aren't able to grasp. It is hilarious to watch them struggle and deeper into their own shit every time. But country is going to shit. Good thing that Serbia was a shithole prior to them so it doesn't feel like we went from decent life to hobos. More like from healthy hobos to terminally ill hobos.

For major European countries downfall will be scary, in case they elect clowns hiding behind populist and nationalist ideas. It's your countries economy and quality of your own life on the line, its not about stupid ideological bullshit they feed you to vote for them.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Leshma on December 09, 2015, 01:26:28 am
You're projecting things from the US left. There is no equivalent of Salon in France.

USA can afford having people like Trump or Bush to decide about things. When things gets shitty, they'll open the floodgates and let rest of the world suffer because of their mistakes. In the end, they'll feel consequences of their own actions the least. Like what happened after last global crisis.

But individual EU countries don't have that card in their deck and must be more careful. Stupid decisions will cost them dearly.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Grytviken on December 09, 2015, 09:19:36 am
USA can afford having people like Trump But individual EU countries don't have that card in their deck and must be more careful. Stupid decisions will cost them dearly.



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Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: ecorcheur_brokar on December 11, 2015, 12:17:27 pm
The problem in EU is that citizens have lost all sovereignty. And the left in France is still too blinded by their hope of universalism to realise that the way EU has been created has left no power to citizens and is transforming EU into a political system led by lobby.

PS in France has nothing to do with socialism anymore (if it ever had). All the debate on social topics are just hiding the fact that UMP (now Republicain) and PS have no difference anymore. And sadly, FN has become the most socialist party in the 3 majors in terms of economic (but only for the economy, it is a very authoritarian party on all other matters). One can only hope that one day, the "far-left" (real socialist) get their shit together.

But anyway, none of this matter because in the presidential election only PS or UMP can win.

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Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Kafein on December 12, 2015, 01:13:18 am
Only thing that matters in my book. Serbia elected former neo-nationalist party almost four years ago. They got more than half of total votes. What they didn't do? They didn't do anything they used to stand for (xenophobic ideas and rest of that crap). What they did? Put their people in charge. Bunch of lowlifes with no education or knowledge of any sort got to decide on things they aren't able to grasp. It is hilarious to watch them struggle and deeper into their own shit every time. But country is going to shit. Good thing that Serbia was a shithole prior to them so it doesn't feel like we went from decent life to hobos. More like from healthy hobos to terminally ill hobos.

For major European countries downfall will be scary, in case they elect clowns hiding behind populist and nationalist ideas. It's your countries economy and quality of your own life on the line, its not about stupid ideological bullshit they feed you to vote for them.

Heh, I think I prefer incompetent extremists, all things considered.

But anyway, none of this matter because in the presidential election only PS or UMP can win.

Repeating that is the shortest way towards a catastrophe. You have to keep your establishment politicians on an ejection seat otherwise they'll just get worse over time.

What's happening right now will hopefully open the eyes of the UMP and PS but as with all establishment parties they have considerable inertia. When you're that big you can't appear to be flip-flopping, especially to please a recent "fad".

Depends of what you mean by "socialist", if you think of it as a center left wing way of thinking, no, FN isn't socialist. It's populism (+ pure marxism at some extent) to me, Marine le Pen targets specifically the persons having reasons to feel fucked, and puts the blame on immigrants, gays, etc..; but much less on finance powers & banks as would do the extreme left. The thing that amuses me, is that it works. People from other origins often have either no job or shitty ones barely paid anything more than 1000€/month, so this means the "real french" wouldn't take the jobs anyway, gays aren't responsible of anything there, yet they're still going to be stigmatized... You can see the pattern if you aren't blind, which is saddly the case for 40% of the french now (or pretty soon).

I mean socialist as in pro-welfare and anti-activity. Who they blame is irrelevant. Blaming finance or whatever is just as populist as blaming immigrants. What's FN stance on gays anyway?
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Leshma on December 12, 2015, 01:37:25 am
Incompetent extremist equals North Korean communist. Think I prefer moderate thief who is able to create some value rather than some retard with silly beliefs who fucks up everything he touches.

There is just no way FN will bring anything useful to France. Them shaking the establishment won't help at all because you'll have to live with them for years, when they get in the saddle its not easy to kick them out. We're not talking about post-revolution France where masses were more than happy to serve same dish to Robespierre and company they served to royal family.
Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: ecorcheur_brokar on December 12, 2015, 08:02:00 pm
How much fuck Holland gives, when facing the downfall of his party.
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Title: Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
Post by: Umbra on December 19, 2015, 04:10:54 pm
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