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Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
« Reply #180 on: December 08, 2015, 08:56:32 pm »
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To be honest I wouldn't be as categorical as Algarn, with or without Oberyn. You have to take into account FN's legacy of being really, really all about xenophobia. That has been turned around at least partially in the last decades. Today it's more like a nazi party without the sturmabteilung (yet) and without the specifically anti-semitic slant.
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Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
« Reply #181 on: December 08, 2015, 08:57:28 pm »
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Oh, your typical skinhead neo-nazis are less nazi than the FN, politically. What I'm talking about is their propositions being specifically socialistic and nationalistic. "Bringing jobs back to France" and all that crap.

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Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
« Reply #182 on: December 08, 2015, 09:06:12 pm »
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To be honest I wouldn't be as categorical as Algarn, with or without Oberyn. You have to take into account FN's legacy of being really, really all about xenophobia. That has been turned around at least partially in the last decades. Today it's more like a nazi party without the sturmabteilung (yet) and without the specifically anti-semitic slant.

Why do people have to  resort to a party like that in the first place, is there really any other choice at this point? According to the left ensuring the safety of nationals is racist, statistics are racist and anyone who disagrees is racist. The mob mentality of the left seems more in line with chocolate chip cookie ideology than the right imo.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kim-farbota/black-crime-rates-your-st_b_8078586.html

Here's a lovely example, according to the left wingers here statistics are racist.

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Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
« Reply #183 on: December 08, 2015, 09:56:24 pm »
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Oh, your typical skinhead neo-nazis are less nazi than the FN, politically. What I'm talking about is their propositions being specifically socialistic and nationalistic. "Bringing jobs back to France" and all that crap.

Neo nazees don't give a shit about economics, don't even know if they understand the word and what it implies after that. But you're kinda right, since on her program, the whole economical part is about stopping the imports, becoming self-efficient in almost everything (impossible to do in reality) and raise the borders back on. The lame thing is that it's the Socialist party's program, but with a "LOOK AT ME I'M SO FRENCH" sauce, and without any fucks given on how economics actually work.

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Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
« Reply #184 on: December 08, 2015, 10:05:00 pm »
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Why do people have to  resort to a party like that in the first place, is there really any other choice at this point? According to the left ensuring the safety of nationals is racist, statistics are racist and anyone who disagrees is racist. The mob mentality of the left seems more in line with chocolate chip cookie ideology than the right imo.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kim-farbota/black-crime-rates-your-st_b_8078586.html

Here's a lovely example, according to the left wingers here statistics are racist.

Well, considering that in the eyes of most extreme left wingers and the Greens every white person is born guilty of being a racist, responsible for the holocaust and responsible for all evil in the world, the "Your statistics are racist!" thing doesn't even sound that crazy.  :lol:


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Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
« Reply #185 on: December 08, 2015, 10:40:35 pm »
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"Bringing jobs back to USA"

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Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
« Reply #186 on: December 08, 2015, 11:02:30 pm »
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Well, considering that in the eyes of most extreme left wingers and the Greens every white person is born guilty of being a racist, responsible for the holocaust and responsible for all evil in the world, the "Your statistics are racist!" thing doesn't even sound that crazy.  :lol:

  Left wing logic make's perfect sense. You can't blame Islam because most Muslims have nothing to do with terrorism just like you can't blame Germany because most Germans had nothing to do with the holocaust.
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Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
« Reply #187 on: December 08, 2015, 11:07:16 pm »
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Exactly why I won't support Trump ever Leshma, even though I'm absolutely content with the other Reps taking it in the anus.

Neo nazees don't give a shit about economics, don't even know if they understand the word and what it implies after that. But you're kinda right, since on her program, the whole economical part is about stopping the imports, becoming self-efficient in almost everything (impossible to do in reality) and raise the borders back on. The lame thing is that it's the Socialist party's program, but with a "LOOK AT ME I'M SO FRENCH" sauce, and without any fucks given on how economics actually work.

I think the FN is vastly more socialist than the PS. The difference being that the PS actually has competent people. It's not 100% ideologues, something quite rare for a left wing party stuck in the opposition for so long. Even better, the governing PS has some arguably right wing ministers. As much as this makes the government more effective in its missions, it blurs the line between the PS and the UMP (or whatever I'm supposed to call them now). Voting doesn't seem to matter.

Why do people have to  resort to a party like that in the first place, is there really any other choice at this point? According to the left ensuring the safety of nationals is racist, statistics are racist and anyone who disagrees is racist. The mob mentality of the left seems more in line with chocolate chip cookie ideology than the right imo.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kim-farbota/black-crime-rates-your-st_b_8078586.html

Here's a lovely example, according to the left wingers here statistics are racist.

You're projecting things from the US left. There is no equivalent of Salon in France.

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Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
« Reply #188 on: December 08, 2015, 11:51:30 pm »
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I think the FN is vastly more socialist than the PS. The difference being that the PS actually has competent people. It's not 100% ideologues, something quite rare for a left wing party stuck in the opposition for so long. Even better, the governing PS has some arguably right wing ministers. As much as this makes the government more effective in its missions, it blurs the line between the PS and the UMP (or whatever I'm supposed to call them now). Voting doesn't seem to matter.

Depends of what you mean by "socialist", if you think of it as a center left wing way of thinking, no, FN isn't socialist. It's populism (+ pure marxism at some extent) to me, Marine le Pen targets specifically the persons having reasons to feel fucked, and puts the blame on immigrants, gays, etc..; but much less on finance powers & banks as would do the extreme left. The thing that amuses me, is that it works. People from other origins often have either no job or shitty ones barely paid anything more than 1000€/month, so this means the "real french" wouldn't take the jobs anyway, gays aren't responsible of anything there, yet they're still going to be stigmatized... You can see the pattern if you aren't blind, which is saddly the case for 40% of the french now (or pretty soon).

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Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
« Reply #189 on: December 09, 2015, 01:19:31 am »
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The difference being that the PS actually has competent people.

Only thing that matters in my book. Serbia elected former neo-nationalist party almost four years ago. They got more than half of total votes. What they didn't do? They didn't do anything they used to stand for (xenophobic ideas and rest of that crap). What they did? Put their people in charge. Bunch of lowlifes with no education or knowledge of any sort got to decide on things they aren't able to grasp. It is hilarious to watch them struggle and deeper into their own shit every time. But country is going to shit. Good thing that Serbia was a shithole prior to them so it doesn't feel like we went from decent life to hobos. More like from healthy hobos to terminally ill hobos.

For major European countries downfall will be scary, in case they elect clowns hiding behind populist and nationalist ideas. It's your countries economy and quality of your own life on the line, its not about stupid ideological bullshit they feed you to vote for them.

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Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
« Reply #190 on: December 09, 2015, 01:26:28 am »
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You're projecting things from the US left. There is no equivalent of Salon in France.

USA can afford having people like Trump or Bush to decide about things. When things gets shitty, they'll open the floodgates and let rest of the world suffer because of their mistakes. In the end, they'll feel consequences of their own actions the least. Like what happened after last global crisis.

But individual EU countries don't have that card in their deck and must be more careful. Stupid decisions will cost them dearly.

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Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
« Reply #191 on: December 09, 2015, 09:19:36 am »
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USA can afford having people like Trump But individual EU countries don't have that card in their deck and must be more careful. Stupid decisions will cost them dearly.



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Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
« Reply #192 on: December 11, 2015, 12:17:27 pm »
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The problem in EU is that citizens have lost all sovereignty. And the left in France is still too blinded by their hope of universalism to realise that the way EU has been created has left no power to citizens and is transforming EU into a political system led by lobby.

PS in France has nothing to do with socialism anymore (if it ever had). All the debate on social topics are just hiding the fact that UMP (now Republicain) and PS have no difference anymore. And sadly, FN has become the most socialist party in the 3 majors in terms of economic (but only for the economy, it is a very authoritarian party on all other matters). One can only hope that one day, the "far-left" (real socialist) get their shit together.

But anyway, none of this matter because in the presidential election only PS or UMP can win.

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Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
« Reply #193 on: December 12, 2015, 01:13:18 am »
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Only thing that matters in my book. Serbia elected former neo-nationalist party almost four years ago. They got more than half of total votes. What they didn't do? They didn't do anything they used to stand for (xenophobic ideas and rest of that crap). What they did? Put their people in charge. Bunch of lowlifes with no education or knowledge of any sort got to decide on things they aren't able to grasp. It is hilarious to watch them struggle and deeper into their own shit every time. But country is going to shit. Good thing that Serbia was a shithole prior to them so it doesn't feel like we went from decent life to hobos. More like from healthy hobos to terminally ill hobos.

For major European countries downfall will be scary, in case they elect clowns hiding behind populist and nationalist ideas. It's your countries economy and quality of your own life on the line, its not about stupid ideological bullshit they feed you to vote for them.

Heh, I think I prefer incompetent extremists, all things considered.

But anyway, none of this matter because in the presidential election only PS or UMP can win.

Repeating that is the shortest way towards a catastrophe. You have to keep your establishment politicians on an ejection seat otherwise they'll just get worse over time.

What's happening right now will hopefully open the eyes of the UMP and PS but as with all establishment parties they have considerable inertia. When you're that big you can't appear to be flip-flopping, especially to please a recent "fad".

Depends of what you mean by "socialist", if you think of it as a center left wing way of thinking, no, FN isn't socialist. It's populism (+ pure marxism at some extent) to me, Marine le Pen targets specifically the persons having reasons to feel fucked, and puts the blame on immigrants, gays, etc..; but much less on finance powers & banks as would do the extreme left. The thing that amuses me, is that it works. People from other origins often have either no job or shitty ones barely paid anything more than 1000€/month, so this means the "real french" wouldn't take the jobs anyway, gays aren't responsible of anything there, yet they're still going to be stigmatized... You can see the pattern if you aren't blind, which is saddly the case for 40% of the french now (or pretty soon).

I mean socialist as in pro-welfare and anti-activity. Who they blame is irrelevant. Blaming finance or whatever is just as populist as blaming immigrants. What's FN stance on gays anyway?

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Re: Religion of peace shooting in California
« Reply #194 on: December 12, 2015, 01:37:25 am »
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Incompetent extremist equals North Korean communist. Think I prefer moderate thief who is able to create some value rather than some retard with silly beliefs who fucks up everything he touches.

There is just no way FN will bring anything useful to France. Them shaking the establishment won't help at all because you'll have to live with them for years, when they get in the saddle its not easy to kick them out. We're not talking about post-revolution France where masses were more than happy to serve same dish to Robespierre and company they served to royal family.