http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33300543 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33300543)They will not pay the debts) and the debt of Greece will be the debt of the population of the European Union XD
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They will not pay the debts) and the debt of Greece will be the debt of the population of the European Union XD
Also that would make a precedent and open possible scenario for exit of other economically weak southern countries, which would bring EU once again to its core and that isn't big, huge country they envisioned it to become. Not to mention that further expansion will completely stop.
if Greece will do ok after leaving - others probably will follow it, but... well, that's very unlikely.
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Oh well, who cares. The current Greeks aren't even real Greeks, they're a blend of Albanians, Slavs and Turks formed in Turkey.
Older than the current Greeks, yes.
Yeah, because all of the above are older peoples than the Greeks :lol:
Older than the current Greeks, yes.
First off, Greece isn't really a first world economy. What happened is that they borrowed to live far above their means for decades, giving the impression of being socially advanced. Truth is, the country's administration itself is entirely dysfunctional and even with a richer economy they wouldn't make enough to pay for their social programs. Poor EU countries like the Baltics are rightfully enraged at the fact that the EU has been supporting Greece's lunatic behavior while they had to pay and suck it up with poor social security.It's absurd, Greece has brought it all on themselves. The population evades taxes like it's going out of fashion and there's "good ol' boys" corruption everywhere, money being almost literally thrown down a well. It makes no sense at all to support behavior like that.
As for the now increasingly likely exit of Greece, that would be a great thing for the rest of the union, economically. That debt is currently being paid by you and me, EU citizens. If Greece gets out then it's recollection open season and you won't pay those additional help packages. The only issue is that we don't want to leave Greece alone for geopolitical reasons. The situation is very much Greek people versus rest of Europe's people.
First off, Greece isn't really a first world economy. What happened is that they borrowed to live far above their means for decades, giving the impression of being socially advanced. Truth is, the country's administration itself is entirely dysfunctional and even with a richer economy they wouldn't make enough to pay for their social programs. Poor EU countries like the Baltics are rightfully enraged at the fact that the EU has been supporting Greece's lunatic behavior while they had to pay and suck it up with poor social security.
As for the now increasingly likely exit of Greece, that would be a great thing for the rest of the union, economically. That debt is currently being paid by you and me, EU citizens. If Greece gets out then it's recollection open season and you won't pay those additional help packages. The only issue is that we don't want to leave Greece alone for geopolitical reasons. The situation is very much Greek people versus rest of Europe's people.
we are massively enraged at Italy, because "those filthy mafia pastaeaters"(an actual quote) are letting all those immigrants freely into their country and than guilttripping rest of Europe to give them free stuff
It's absurd, Greece has brought it all on themselves. The population evades taxes like it's going out of fashion and there's "good ol' boys" corruption everywhere, money being almost literally thrown down a well. It makes no sense at all to support behavior like that.
Greece survived from far worst scenarios than a default, and in all honesty i`m sick and tired of reading all of your "you owe us money" posts
Yes, yes, Greece was doing so well before they got given the loan, that's why they got it in the first place, because they were doing so well. Am I right? Stupid banks, ruining Greece! Doing so well on its own, the people are hardworking taxpayers.
The only absurd thing here is your post.
Europeans think that the money that they gave to Greeks went straight to our pockets, which is really retarded to think about it.
95% of the money that Greece borrowed the last 5 years, all went straight to the banks.
Sure, there are plenty Greeks who tax evade and are corrupted, but please don`t pretend like there is corruption only in Greece, besides, the three biggest corruption scandals in the last 50 years of Greece`s history, involve German companies.
Did you know that in 2004 the Germans loaned money to Greece, and with the same money the Greek government bought military submarines from Germany, and the funniest thing is that the sub`s were broken.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/apr/19/greece-military-spending-debt-crisis
http://www.lepointinternational.com/it/politica/europa/550-the-submarine-deals-that-helped-sink-greece-.html
I know that you being a Finn is hard being neutral, since your country is probably the biggest muppet that Germany has, Merkel says jump and you say how high, but for fuck sake, do some research before writing bullshit like that.
Sure, Greeks arent saints, but we aint the devil either.
Tomorrow I`m gonna vote No, and deep inside I wish that Greece defaults, and all of you "higher than thou" punks lose 320b euros, let`s see if you`re gonna like that.
Greece survived from far worst scenarios than a default, and in all honesty i`m sick and tired of reading all of your "you owe us money" posts, while Greeks commit suicide every day.
8.000 suicides since 2009 and counting, thank you European bros.
From what I've read and heard I think I can safely say that here, in POland, people are sick and tired of reading that Greece don't want to cut social benefits to pay their debts while Greece is still richer country than Poland. You have higher average salary, higher retirement payment and lower retirement age than in POland. So yeah, I think that's quite commonly shared impression that Greeks are lazy, fat fucks, who cheat at taxes, who cheat their own country and EU, who are too lazy and spoiled by all the money which they got from EU to get their shit together and pay their fucking debts. Look at the baltic countries, which in the face of crisis cut heavily social benefits and managed to work out the sollution without big, external help.
Yes, yes, Greece was doing so well before they got given the loan, that's why they got it in the first place, because they were doing so well. Am I right? Stupid banks, ruining Greece! Doing so well on its own, the people are hardworking taxpayers.
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Wait, that's actually what EU people see? Holy fuck, I didn't know they were that dumb/blind.
Yes, yes, Greece was doing so well before they got given the loan, that's why they got it in the first place, because they were doing so well. Am I right? Stupid banks, ruining Greece! Doing so well on its own, the people are hardworking taxpayers.
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Not really. Just here. Because we barely have any colored folk or people from different cultures. So they are kinda rare and scary to us. And when it appears that someone is twisting our arms and forcing us to take them in, we look for someone to blame. Like people usually do. And blaming countries is extremely easy, unlike blaming individuals. It also helps the blamegame that majority of us don't really know shit about Italy.our laws are literally fucked up , government is the only blaming other eu countries for not helping us with this situation with immigrants.
I doubt it. We are quite easly prone to the typical mishaps of capitalistic ruling. The fact that we dont have oil or absolutely any resource at all, is what kinda forces us to develop in other industries. If we had oil, we would fit in the capitalistic mold quick and become lazy spenders. We would instantly fall to those extremes. The fact that we cant just pump money out of our assholes like Saudi-Arabia makes us really careful.
France is smart and refuse to let them enter , so is other countries.
Put em in your more stable ship and send em back. There really is no room, resources and honestly even tolerance for it.
Put em in your more stable ship and send em back. There really is no room, resources and honestly even tolerance for it.
When in doubt, my guiding principle has always been "what would Genghis Khan do?"
Take down a couple of their ships to warn off the others, of course.
Conquer Libya. It was ours already anyway.Would Genghis Khan do it? Yes, he would. I approve.
Conquer Libya. It was ours already anyway.
Here we go again :lol:
The only absurd thing here is your post.
Europeans think that the money that they gave to Greeks went straight to our pockets, which is really retarded to think about it.
95% of the money that Greece borrowed the last 5 years, all went straight to the banks.
Sure, there are plenty Greeks who tax evade and are corrupted, but please don`t pretend like there is corruption only in Greece, besides, the three biggest corruption scandals in the last 50 years of Greece`s history, involve German companies.
Did you know that in 2004 the Germans loaned money to Greece, and with the same money the Greek government bought military submarines from Germany, and the funniest thing is that the sub`s were broken.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/apr/19/greece-military-spending-debt-crisis
http://www.lepointinternational.com/it/politica/europa/550-the-submarine-deals-that-helped-sink-greece-.html
I know that you being a Finn is hard being neutral, since your country is probably the biggest muppet that Germany has, Merkel says jump and you say how high, but for fuck sake, do some research before writing bullshit like that.
Sure, Greeks arent saints, but we aint the devil either.
Tomorrow I`m gonna vote No, and deep inside I wish that Greece defaults, and all of you "higher than thou" punks lose 320b euros, let`s see if you`re gonna like that.
Greece survived from far worst scenarios than a default, and in all honesty i`m sick and tired of reading all of your "you owe us money" posts, while Greeks commit suicide every day.
8.000 suicides since 2009 and counting, thank you European bros.
Here we go again :lol:
Always the same silly arguments. "We did wrong but others did worse!"
Submarines, true. German management paid corrupt Greeks a truckload of money to sign the contract. Yea, guess that's Germany's fault alone too.
Suicides? Well, barely raised according to official statistics during the course of the crisis but I am sure they were paid off by Merkel to fake those statistics.
German helpers get 21€ a day for helping out during a vote. 75€ in Greece.
Germans get their pension at an average of 62. Greeks get their pension at 61. Hard at work they are.
I could give several more examples on how and why you live in a shiny castle of wishful thinking but I did those kind of posts already so many times... not bothered any more.
One more thing tho: Cool Mr. V. promised "There will be no closed banks in Greece ever." Correct me if I am wrong but he was kinda lying there, wasn't he.
Good luck, Greece. That's all that's left to say, I guess.
Apparently you can`t read, because in all of my posts I`m putting the blame on both sides.
Blame Turkey instead.
Even though they did it to mock us, at least the Turks had the "kindness" to volunteer to pay our 1.6 bil euros to the IMF.
Our so called european "brothers" hit us everyday like we are the worst kind of people, while our arch enemy wants to "help". :lol:
Even though they did it to mock us, at least the Turks had the "kindness" to volunteer to pay our 1.6 bil euros to the IMF.People tend to not like other people that don't pay their debts. Especially when they keep doing retarded things that prevents their economy from growing. Each country had uses for the money given to Greece in their own countries as well.
Our so called european "brothers" hit us everyday like we are the worst kind of people, while our arch enemy wants to "help". :lol:
People tend to not like other people that don't pay their debts. Especially when they keep doing retarded things that prevents their economy from growing. Each country had uses for the money given to Greece in their own countries as well.I dont have red diploma in economy like u cunt, but iam sure EU just print dat money for Greece and loan it under %, in same time they demand close few industries that are already employed in the EU. Then they collect several years interest from them and used them as a market for their products so EU dont loose money , even taking into account unpaid billions.
We're gunna get fucked, Greeks ain't gunna pay. Dat garbage of Euro goin down.
Prepare for prices goin up!
Military coup incoming :evil:
Eurotruth must be democratically protected :shock:
as far as I get it, greeks despair is the result of a decade or two of the worst and most corrupt government a country could ask for, and the first attempts of helping greece were quite useless cause nobody actually realized the gravity of the situation.Not just the govt but greeks in general. The people truly have the government they deserve.
well and whats going on now is just a clusterfuck from both sides. europe should send in additional funding and specialists that work together with a competent and willing to sacrifice shit government and everthang would work out fine.
Except the massive deficit in national budget came from an economic recession caused by the collapse of big banks and the government being forced to bail them out.
We're gunna get fucked, Greeks ain't gunna pay. Dat garbage of Euro goin down.
Prepare for prices goin up!
Trust me it didn't.
Greece was already in a bad shape *and lying about it* far before the crisis.
The country is dysfunctional, there's no other way to put it. The fiscal laws and social programs are so incredibly broken that "cheating" in Greece is almost something you do without realizing. Want an example? You don't pay any land value tax on buildings that aren't finished. Result? 80% of buildings in Greece are "under construction". It's small things like that, everywhere. For this kind of stuff, it's unfair to call your average Greek a cheater. However, your average Greek is also the one who elected politicians who never reformed those broken systems.
I have no idea why you're saying that. It's not like anybody expects that debt to be repaid even assuming Greece stays. If tomorrow EU countries stop giving more money to Greece it will literally mean using it for useful things (hopefully).
Ultimately, the referendum ending up with "no" is not a surprise and it also literally changes nothing. Greece is still fucked up, that Titanic image perfectly describes the situation. If the result was yes then it would have changed many things, but it's pointless to discuss that now. All the other EU countries are just about fed up with Greece's bullshit. Times are difficult for everybody. Take Belgium for example, the standard retirement age will be brought up to 67! It is unfair that Greeks should live above their means while other EU countries pay for them. Considering Siriza's program, giving them any more money is like throwing it into a black hole.
The fiscal laws and social programs are so incredibly broken that "cheating" in Greece is almost something you do without realizing. Want an example? You don't pay any land value tax on buildings that aren't finished. Result? 80% of buildings in Greece are "under construction".
well majority of europe will go to hell sooner or later
Eh? Why?http://www.economicvoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/European-Debt-to-GDP-Ratios-Oct-2013.jpg
Eh? Why?
You seem to enjoy rolling in the shit...
Panos being desperate is even uglier than I expected. I hope all is well for you.
Don`t hate, I`m pro european, because I always admired the humongous evolution that most EU countries had, but I`m not gonna sit back and watch you make us look like the devil.
Panos being desperate is even uglier than I expected. I hope all is well for you.
you.
In what way am I making you look like the Devil?
I taste some tasty German & German muppet tears.Greece, the land, has been around for longer than 2300 years. The people have changed, as already established. You have no claim to what the Ancient Greeks did.
All of you speak like Greece is the devil on earth, oh sweet baby jesus, how much I wish for default, I can already taste your then tears when you realize that you just lost 320 bil Euros.
Even if we default, we are gonna make it no matter what, we were here longer than you suckers, 2300 years and counting.
P.S If Greece gets kicked out of the European Union, will you keep the term European? Because Europe is a Greek word :lol:
Don`t be mad suckers, Greece is all around.
P.S2 I guess when the Germans were loaning money to the Greeks in order to buy broken military equipment from German companies, everything was ok!!!
P.S3 Greece maybe the first, but it certainly won`t be the last, sooner or later poor Germoney won`t have anyone to bully over, what a shame :lol:
well majority of europe will go to hell sooner or later,
http://www.economicvoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/European-Debt-to-GDP-Ratios-Oct-2013.jpg
I taste some tasty German & German muppet tears.
All of you speak like Greece is the devil on earth, oh sweet baby jesus, how much I wish for default, I can already taste your then tears when you realize that you just lost 320 bil Euros.
Even if we default, we are gonna make it no matter what, we were here longer than you suckers, 2300 years and counting.
P.S If Greece gets kicked out of the European Union, will you keep the term European? Because Europe is a Greek word :lol:
Don`t be mad suckers, Greece is all around.
P.S2 I guess when the Germans were loaning money to the Greeks in order to buy broken military equipment from German companies, everything was ok!!!
P.S3 Greece maybe the first, but it certainly won`t be the last, sooner or later poor Germoney won`t have anyone to bully over, what a shame :lol:
P.S4 Guess it's quite conveniet for Germans to forget the vast ammounts of debt forgiven by foreign creditors after WWI and WWII around 50%, the rest they agreed to pay over nexr 30 years (!), the debt today would be four times as much as Greece owns but hey they didn't commit genocide so I guess it doesn't count, funny how selective memory works
P.S4 Guess it's quite conveniet for Germans to forget the vast ammounts of debt forgiven by foreign creditors after WWI and WWII around 50%, the rest they agreed to pay over nexr 30 years (!), the debt today would be four times as much as Greece owns but hey they didn't commit genocide so I guess it doesn't count, funny how selective memory works
in the german case it was for a very good cause :)
in greek case its just throwing money into the garbage.
You have no claim to what the Ancient Greeks did.
I'm born here, it ain't my fault :cry:its fault ur parents and my grandfather :(
Panos acts like anyone was actually expecting Greece to pay their debts.
Nobody living in the real world ever did.
And about the debt cuts over 70(!) years ago... it kinda was a different time, wasn't it. Hardly comparable, like World War scenario and all that?
What the heck, let's just ignore that... funny how convenient selective ignorance is.
Proud Greeks! Not feeling one bit ashamed of being the begging bum of Europe. The rather poor Eastern countries displaying more pride than the mighty Greeks.
"You borrowed us billions of Euros but fuck that... we're not paying back that shit! We're entitled to that money cuz... well... we used to be awesome in ancient times, that's why!!1"
Hoping to inspire other countries while most of the countries in similar deep shit are as alienated as... well... funny... the rest of Europe :lol:
Tsipras:"We will fight for taxes for the rich! We will fight corruption!" - Reinstates 1000 employees to the state and now talking about amnesty for rich people who were tax evading :lol: Such a strong fighter for the working class he is...
Democracy won tho, with 61%! That's good, makes the government strong, so strong that the minster of finance runs away from the game he started, afraid he'll lose it big time.
Tsipras:"We'll have a deal with the EU till Tuesday!" Varoufakis:"Nah, I'm not having this shit any more!" Tsakalotos:"umm... I kinda need read all the stuff first before I can write something down... guys, some help? Guys?! Aww, shit..."
Meanwhile in Germany... "News report: Thousands of schools are in a desperate state. Lessons dropping cause rooms are filled with mold or because there are simply no teachers employed who can teach. In other news: another car crash due to broken motorways. Greece: people are celebrating their No to Europe!"
Yea, I'm feeling bad alright. Sorry Greece for being German... but... I'm born here, it ain't my fault :cry:
So forgiving debts 70 years ago for starting a WW is ok, but helping struggling people fucked by corrupt goverment and banks is not nowdays. Why?
So forgiving debts 70 years ago for starting a WW is ok, but helping struggling people fucked by corrupt goverment and banks is not nowdays. Why?It's the difference between forgiving the debt of someone who burns down a house but runs a successful business and forgiving the debt of an incorrigible gambler. The latter is just a waste of time, throwing money down the well, and they'll be in the same situation before you can blink.
So if they let Greece die, who else will be next? Won't the EU countries lose the trust in the Union gained through decades? Are the members of the most powerful organization in the world so easily left behind?
It's the difference between forgiving the debt of someone who burns down a house but runs a successful business and forgiving the debt of an incorrigible gambler. The latter is just a waste of time, throwing money down the well, and they'll be in the same situation before you can blink.Give a man a fish and he’ll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he’ll steal your fish.
So easily? They voted "no"... they were given a TON of help by the EU. They squandered it. Whatever comes is on their heads.
So forgiving debts 70 years ago for starting a WW is ok, but helping struggling people fucked by corrupt goverment and banks is not nowdays. Why?Yes, please, ignore the simple truth that it wasn't just government and banks but the simple man on the street too. Forgetting that they get financial support since they joined 1981 - lowest number I found states 53 billion dollar from 1981 till 2009. On top of that you have to add what they got after 2009. Now, 1981 wasn't Lehman Brother days, right?
Yes, please, ignore the simple truth that it wasn't just government and banks but the simple man on the street too. Forgetting that they get financial support since they joined 1981 - lowest number I found states 53 billion dollar from 1981 till 2009. On top of that you have to add what they got after 2009. Now, 1981 wasn't Lehman Brother days, right?
And since Germany has always been the majority payer for anything Europe related, I'd say that simply includes any reparation. :wink:
That those billions never dripped down to the common folk... well, that's hardly an EU/German problem, is it?
Not to mention that they voted for what's coming.
Funny fact: News report that Tsipras is about to make an emergency package with rules way harder than what the EU suggested, just to stay afloat till Sunday.
He's a clown, the same kind of liar like all the others in the political caste, everybody should clearly see that by now. Not some kind of left-socialist hero he is made out to be.
Oww, and please continue comparing a World War with millions of dead with a financial crash and corruption. Clearly the same thing, very classy :rolleyes:
You can trust Germans to learn from their mistakes.
Hypocricy at it's finest, well why don't you Germans drop out of the union since by your facts it does nothing for the country financially and otherwise and go solo. I simply don't share you opinion on this matter and wanted to give you the other perspective, I'm sure quite different views in the news are being fed to the people in Germany than in Greece and other countries and not all people share the same opinion on these matters. You find that your stance on this matter is a valid one and yes, you do make some good points but ignoring some other facts also servers your cause well, theres no black and white here. Sterotyping greeks as lazy and corrupt as a whole in this case is not helping here and it's quite offensive.If you don't mind, please do quote me saying anything about all Greeks being lazy and/or corrupt. I'd be thankful.
Hypocricy at it's finest, well why don't you Germans drop out of the union since by your facts it does nothing for the country financially and otherwise and go solo. I simply don't share you opinion on this matter and wanted to give you the other perspective, I'm sure quite different views in the news are being fed to the people in Germany than in Greece and other countries and not all people share the same opinion on these matters. You find that your stance on this matter is a valid one and yes, you do make some good points but ignoring some other facts also servers your cause well, theres no black and white here. Sterotyping greeks as lazy and corrupt as a whole in this case is not helping here and it's quite offensive.
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Even if we default, we are gonna make it no matter what, we were here longer than you suckers, 2300 years and counting.
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Greece, unlike countries mentioned above, is unable to pay their debts.Oh, well, tell me please how they can pay these debts? perhaps in our forum here new Nobel laureate.
Who doesn't love watering by oil? Dont pretend like eur and dollar are some special breed of greedy bastard currencies. All forms of currencies run on oil m8. As a citizen of Russia, which is a country entirely run by oil-and gasbarons and not a single other significant market, you should know that all too well. Another one of these "de west iz gredy and evil posts". Yeah, obviously Russia, China or Brazil are the real shiny examples of economies and societies ran on higher standards and morals than the West.my engl is shit and i dont have red diploma in economy like u guys so i will explaining the way I understand the situation. 1st oil and natural gas is only 8-10%gdp of russia but its 40+% of our export. We had a deal aka "Washington Consensus". So if short russia (as any country who sign dat) can print as many rubles as we have reserved $$ and we can buy so many $$ as our central bank get from export. In return, Russia has access to cheap loans of the World Bank.
And you do realise that national dept does not work at all in a matter you think it does. Throwing the amount of dept of a country and per capita doesnt really show shit about how screwed it really is.
Vüvka plz.
2 United Kingdom 9,590,995,000,000 per capita 160,158 406%
3 France 5,750,152,000,000 per capita 86,317 222%
4 Germany 5,546,869,000,000 per capita 68,720 145%
27 Greece 360,000,000,000 per capita 47,636 174%
tell more pls about Greece
All three of these countries are significant economic powers as well as being global financial centres giving them easy access to world wide credit sources (thus running a high debt rate really ain't such a problem). Greece on the other hand is a sweaty, forgotten, desolate wasteland on the very boundaries of the western world (people only give a shit about Greece when they want a cheap holiday and need somewhere they can urinate in public without anyone really caring).aka they can print money and creece can't and dat fact dont make creece corrupted and them good and effective.
France and Germany can print money? Monopoly money?but not as much as Zimbabwe and if licking European bank is good enough :P
They can print money because it is representative of actual wealth and has value (economics 101), the goods and services of those counties are worth a considerable amount on the global market and will be for the forseeable future. Greece doesn't have that and as such can't maintain debt levels as these three can.you made me cry, French guy from developed world
You can believe what you want because no-one in the developed world gives a tenpenny fuck about the incoherent ramblings of barbarian slavs such as you; I suggest you go back to the cesspit of the Ukraine thread and keep your wretched opinions to yourself.
my engl is shit and i dont have red diploma in economy like u guys so i will explaining the way I understand the situation. 1st oil and natural gas is only 8-10%gdp of russia but its 40+% of our export. We had a deal aka "Washington Consensus". So if short russia (as any country who sign dat) can print as many rubles as we have reserved $$ and we can buy so many $$ as our central bank get from export. In return, Russia has access to cheap loans of the World Bank.russia was not self sufficient even when it was CCCP and HAD to export its natural resources, this did not change and the faster you learn that this is shit policy - the better it will be for you. russia has nothing to offer the world except its oil and threats of (maybe still in working order) nuclear arsenal. China learned that this does not work and left russia behind eating dust and begging "plz buy our oil, cuzz rotten west may stop doing that".
Today money its not a somethink what u can exchange for goods but this is goods itself. So lets say country1 have "$$" and country2 have money "%%". Now country1 shell to the ground country2 Under the pretext of example of chemical weapons or bringing democracy. Then, international banks provide loans in $$ to restore country2 at ridiculous 5% -10% for ten years but they ask $$ and not usless %%, but in ur contry only 100% $$ and u need 150%, now country2 must export raw resurses for to the west cos their product is not competitive on western market. to cover the loans, the country is forced to take more loans, profitability depends on the central bank's income from foreign exports. over time, if production was it will replaced by extraction of raw materials, as the raw material brings more $$ for which demand in the country will only grow and never fall. nah nwm its waste of time :P
Who doesn't love watering by oil? Dont pretend like eur and dollar are some special breed of greedy bastard currencies. All forms of currencies run on oil m8.
russia was not self sufficient even when it was CCCP and HAD to export its natural resources, this did not change and the faster you learn that this is shit policy - the better it will be for you. russia has nothing to offer the world except its oil and threats of (maybe still in working order) nuclear arsenal. China learned that this does not work and left russia behind eating dust and begging "plz buy our oil, cuzz rotten west may stop doing that".it's not about self sufficient russia or not it's about why some countries can afford the debt of >200%, while others do not
it's not about self sufficient russia or not it's about why some countries can afford the debt of >200%, while others do notIn simple terms: those countries own enough value to actually pay it. Greece does not.
Who goes on a holiday to Norway anyway. Like go somewhere you don't freeze to deathWeather ain't that bad up there in the summer. You're mistaken if you think it's always freezing. Besides, that country is filled with the best motorbike roads in Europe, even the World, and you have them mostly all for yourself :wink:
it's about why some countries can afford the debt of >200%, while others do not
Heh, I owe 400% of my annual income to banks. I guess some people couldn't afford it.and now the bank forced you cut down the vineyards where you worked, and in return gave X euros per hectare and an additional 400% credit for opening a new business, such as selling tourist souvenirs
and now the bank forced you cut down the vineyards where you worked, and in return gave X euros per hectare and an additional 400% credit for opening a new business, such as selling tourist souvenirsWhich might not be the worst way out of the situation, considering that maybe your wine sucked donkey balls (hope chadz does not mind the donkey abuse) and you wine producing practices were inefficient and antisanitary.
Which might not be the worst way out of the situation, considering that maybe your wine sucked donkey balls (hope chadz does not mind the donkey abuse) and you wine producing practices were inefficient and antisanitary.I address to you a quote, I hope the guy from the developed world will not mind
OR - maybe you ACTED like you are making wine, maybe it was a fake to get the money and do shit all day, then join the winemaking guild, pretend even more, get EVEN MORE in debt, make even LESS wine and in the end - all you have is acting skills, which noone cares about and huge debt. Bank - not wanting to let the money go - tells you "get your shit together, we will finance you and watch you carefully". And you continue to party. Even better - you gather your drinking buddies and you vote, that the bank can go suck the same donkey balls that your wine sucks.
I suggest you go back to the cesspit of the Ukraine thread and keep your wretched opinions to yourself.pssss bump it nao u baltic slavs scum!
Some slavs are actually intelligent, even some russians. You however are a clear product of the anti-intellectualism that your backwards and corrupt country has propagated for so long. Seriously stop shit posting over the forums it crushes any pleasure one can get from discussions on interesting subjects.I think you are quite intellectually developed to find the ignor in acc option
I hope this thought warm your evenings, when you ponder which country to emigrate from your little paradise XD(click to show/hide)
I hope this thought warm your evenings, when you ponder which country to emigrate from your little paradise XD
That was a nice video, hadn't seen it before.
Why do people keep talking as if Germany owned 90% of Greece's debt?
we need another 50 years and russia will be awesome place to stay.. with free hookers (and not just cheap as now) and under wise rulership of Kadirov
Personally, I don't agree with the conclusion at the end tho...
...but it's nice to see Germany not depicted as the asshole for once. :P
I think it's only Greeks that would depict Germany as the bad guy in this situation and the EU.
Sure, Greeks take 80% of the blame, ask every logical Greek and he will tell you the same, but it will tell you the same time that instead of helping us to improve, you actually try to bully us around and shame us, thats why the Greeks voted no on the referandum, because we felt that our pride was injured.
That's understandable, but when you're this deep in debt there's no place for pride, what you do is bend over and take a large nigger penis in your buthol. That's how capitalism works.
most of the Greeks want to payback the debt, we always paid our debts
You do understand that probably the only way you will pay back those debts is by significantly lowering your standards of living?
Yeah, do that and give room to the communist to increase their numbers :?
You do understand that probably the only way you will pay back those debts is by significantly lowering your standards of living?
As I said already, most of the Greeks want to payback the debt, we always paid our debts, and the biggest example is the loan that the Greeks took in 1821 from the English banks to sponsor the revolution, and the debt was fully paid up until 2001.
We aren`t beggars nor thieves, we just had a couple of bad generations who really fucked up the country, all we need now is help to improve.
Unless Germans take over Greece government and install their own people to collect money from tax, doubt that forcing common Greek to pay his taxes will fix everything.
Some key words: Natobase, Goldman Sachs, IWF, USA, Introduction of the EUR, any name of the 2000 wealthy families in Greece
stop listening to public western media that tells nothing but lies.
If you guys really want to know what happened in Greece and what led to this situation you first and foremostSome more key words:
need to stop listening to public western media that tells nothing but lies.
Some key words: Natobase, Goldman Sachs, IWF, USA, Introduction of the EUR, any name of the 2000 wealthy families in Greece
Greece is now destroyed and the scraps will be divided very soon incase Greece decides to stay with the EURO as a currency.
Greece is now Africa and I don t mean it in any dispicable way.
Some more key words:
Illuminati, jet fuel can't melt steel beams, jews, Mossad, Bilderberg, Rothschild, GWB is a lizard.
Some more key words:
Illuminati, jet fuel can't melt steel beams, jews, Mossad, Bilderberg, Rothschild, GWB is a lizard.
Sure, Greeks take 80% of the blame, ask every logical Greek and he will tell you the same, but it will tell you the same time that instead of helping us to improve, you actually try to bully us around and shame us, thats why the Greeks voted no on the referandum, because we felt that our pride was injured.
Personally, I don't agree with the conclusion at the end tho...
...but it's nice to see Germany not depicted as the asshole for once. :P
Austerity leads to poverty, and poverty means less payments on the government, payment on loans etc etc.
nice read:Being a bad loser 1x1...
Yanis Varoufakis, former Greek finance minister about the greek situation.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/10/germany-greek-pain-debt-relief-grexit (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/10/germany-greek-pain-debt-relief-grexit)
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Were I Greek, I would look like a Spartan from 300.Xant the spartan
Him and Xerxes, who gave the cripple a chance, were the only likeable characters in that movie.
Xant the spartanGood going, that was my treat to Siiem, I gave him an easy comeback so he wouldn't feel so bad. Now you ruined his day.(click to show/hide)
Greece and Ukraine in 1 year:Wrong thread!
more words from varoufakis.
http://www.newstatesman.com/world-affairs/2015/07/yanis-varoufakis-full-transcript-our-battle-save-greece (http://www.newstatesman.com/world-affairs/2015/07/yanis-varoufakis-full-transcript-our-battle-save-greece)
[...] [To exemplify…] There was a moment when the President of the Eurogroup decided to move against us and effectively shut us out, and made it known that Greece was essentially on its way out of the Eurozone. … There is a convention that communiqués must be unanimous, and the President can’t just convene a meeting of the Eurozone and exclude a member state. And he said, “Oh I’m sure I can do that.” So I asked for a legal opinion. It created a bit of a kerfuffle. For about 5-10 minutes the meeting stopped, clerks, officials were talking to one another, on their phone, and eventually some official, some legal expert addressed me, and said the following words, that “Well, the Eurogroup does not exist in law, there is no treaty which has convened this group.”
So what we have is a non-existent group that has the greatest power to determine the lives of Europeans. It’s not answerable to anyone, given it doesn’t exist in law; no minutes are kept; and it’s confidential. So no citizen ever knows what is said within. … These are decisions of almost life and death, and no member has to answer to anybody.[...]
Mr. V. is just sore that he couldn't bully the old man in the wheelchair. On the contrary, the old experienced man showed the good looking young gun how politics work.I think it is too easy to look at it like a game, like Varoufakis is a bad looser and sore.
Not judging the content from any side. Merely venting my disappointment about V. acting like an ape throwing shit at the Zoo window cuz the old silver back stole his banana.
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Can't stop thinking about state of facilities of Molly's university, it breaks my heart every time I try to imagine it.
Fuck Greeks, Germans are the true victim here!
Quick quiz.
In what country we had, 6000 suicides the last 5 years, 30% unemployment , -40% of pensions and wages, and loans to pay previoys loans, kids who pass out because of starvation at schools and people waiting in line for a plate of food?
1. Germany
2. Finland
3. Slovakia
4. Slovenia
Answer this, and win a loan to pay your previous loans. :lol:
In what country we had, 6000 suicides the last 5 years, 30% unemployment , -40% of pensions and wages, and loans to pay previoys loans, kids who pass out because of starvation at schools and people waiting in line for a plate of food?
Quick quiz.
In what country we had, 6000 suicides the last 5 years, 30% unemployment , -40% of pensions and wages, and loans to pay previoys loans, kids who pass out because of starvation at schools and people waiting in line for a plate of food?
1. Germany
2. Finland
3. Slovakia
4. Slovenia
Answer this, and win a loan to pay your previous loans. :lol:
if we had 6000 suicides there would be noone left in slovenia rofl
This here is why a part of me wanted the Scottish referendum to be a success last year, so that they'd truly understand how economically fucked they are alone and have to beg EU or UK neighbours for aid and get in even worse debt until they realise 'independence' is overrated.
When's an ungrateful Scotland going to pay *us* for all the cash we've been pouring in their general direction?
Quick quiz.
In what country we had, 6000 suicides the last 5 years, 30% unemployment , -40% of pensions and wages, and loans to pay previoys loans, kids who pass out because of starvation at schools and people waiting in line for a plate of food?
1. Germany
2. Finland
3. Slovakia
4. Slovenia
Answer this, and win a loan to pay your previous loans. :lol: