You just need to throw a shoe at Orban :mrgreen:
http://youtu.be/_RFH7C3vkK4 (http://youtu.be/_RFH7C3vkK4)
Read about the tax in the Newspaper and just bursted out in laugh :D
How stupid can mankind be? Hungaria setting new standards...
I mean cmon, online gaming will be shit expensive at a rate of 49ct/Gigabyte download.
And then imagine youtubers/streamers....
Well, I hope they won't let it pass, if there's even some kind of parliament needed to agree to that.
You better bring your Shynbaulds and hit him in the face man...
They are the parliament.
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Wouldnt that kill all IT in the country? Pretty much bankrupt every buisness that deals with computers. How the hell does that provide more money?
Wouldnt that kill all IT in the country? Pretty much bankrupt every business that deals with computers. How the hell does that provide more money?
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. And term limits ain't going to do any good; you're just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here...like, the public. Yeah, the public sucks. There's a nice campaign slogan for somebody: 'The Public Sucks. F--k Hope.' F--k Hope.
One word : Populism
That only means ppl are stupid if they swallow this bait and most of them get what they deserve.
I wonder when I will have to pay a tax per m^3 air I'm breathing or per litres of piss I'm dumping into the toilet.
Lets just tax everything, such fun!
Wow so many retarded 'leaders' in the world, sorry Christo :(
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29783253 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29783253)
There was a protest last sunday and tuesday this week.
These pictures are from Tuesday. So many lights.(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)
I'm fucking done with this joke of a country. Wish I could just get the hell out of here before these imbeciles get us kicked out from EU or close borders. We are pretty much the laughingstock of europe.
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Dunno what is with this part of Europe, but country like Serbia/Hungary/Bulgaria/Romania/Turkey/Greece are for some reason cursed to have highly corrupt government most of the time.
Dunno what is with this part of Europe, but countries like Serbia/Hungary/Bulgaria/Romania/Turkey/Greece are for some reason cursed to have highly corrupt government most of the time.
Dats what happens when u choose USSR over Murrica.
>Implies you have to choose either one.
>Implies you have to choose either one.
Except that if you use the internet as a company, or for a cash register, the tax is not 700 HUF.
It's 5000. For every damned subscription.
Also either Butan is trolling as you have said, or he really needs to get out of his cave and read up about the hungarian events of the recent.. well a year is enough.
One word : Populism
They are the parliament.
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>Implies you have to choose either one.
Dunno what is with this part of Europe, but countries like Serbia/Hungary/Bulgaria/Romania/Turkey/Greece are for some reason cursed to have highly corrupt government most of the time.
Pepsi - Coke
Democrats - Republicans
Anime - Manga
COD - Battlefield
USSR - Western Powers
Choose either or choose death
Someone elected these politicians.
If you actually want to change the world, stop voting. And if anyone asks you, tell them the truth: it doesn't mean anything. We cannot ever take the power back, the age of revolutions in organised western countries is behind us. The cobbled streets are almost gone, and honestly, without the thread of mass violence there is no way to keep those in power honest. Those who rule will continue to do so. I just wish we could remove the parasite of "democracy" from the system, since it does is make us all poorer. The bosses will still get the same cut of the pie, neither they nor the masses have anything to lose, except the wool over our eyes.
Damn BlindGuy look at those people wanting to vote despite your posts. Better take a walk around 1950s Alabama and teach them a lesson with all your white buddies.
Yeah WHOOPTY FUCKING DO FOR THEM! Now they can truly have a say in FUCK ALL.
You call them Americans. For a couple of hundred years. Now: did a slave have US citizenship? I could be wrong but I don't think they did.
Now, without bringing stupid sensationalist bullshit into it, which might be hard for you, lets get real:
Is it right that people who pay taxes in what they believe to be a democracy have their ability to vote dictated by accidents of birth? No, it is not right.
Is it right that anyone is discriminated against in ANY way by accident of birth? No it is not
( BTW, before someone who cannot count past 10 with his shoes on wades in, accident means unplanned event, and since noone planned their skin colour previous to their birth, I think it is an accurate word, and does NOT imply that being any particular colour is a negative, since accident is used predominantly in a negative context in our day and age.)
That being written, let's look at this issue, if you like: Black US citizens (Don't write Americans, please, in this case at least, since the US is pretty fucking backward when it comes to civil rights in the Americas) were not being allowed to vote. They were taxed yet excluded from many activities and venues...
I'm not surprised they wanted to be equal. I'm surprised that they didn't do it sooner, with violence. I know I fucking would have. All they needed was the organisation. But let's not forget that once they brought their plight into media spotlight, it was white middle class people who took up their fight, just decent people who were not affected by the events but felt that to discriminate against someone for something that is not their choice is wrong. I couldn't agree more. And it's great to see how those poor black minorities used that new political freedom to bring political, economic and social equality to their people, and how it led to the end of the black ghetto in the great United States. Wait a minute... It didnt do any of that. They are still poor, underrepresented in goverment, and live in the shadow of immense covert rascism. Sometimes less covert than others.
But that's beside the point: I'm not arguing for a racial devide, and trying to equate my points with these photos is farcical at best. I'm happy that we don't live in a time when this overt rascism was the norm. And I'm guessing you are too. But here's a thing: if we did live back then, I would still think a racial devide is a crime, but I don't know that you would. You are a product of your surroundings, at least your outward persona here on forums is. As an example of such, I present, this thread: when you can clearly read that I am advocating a removal of democracy or at least it's more bullshit trappings, you throw a completely unrelated topic into the discussion that will garner you popular opinion, despite it being 1/ unrelated and 2/ fucking sickening.
Now, that kind of argument tactic is highly prevalent amongst your society, we see it from the lowest form of argument (convos such as this one, where you try to lambast my point with some throwbacks to your racist past) to the highest public address (Whole for-profit wars that ruin countries and lives being hailed as a war on terror and a strike for freedom). I guess it's pointless to argue with you, if it ever got to the point when you finally ran out of diversion tactics you would simply stick your fingers in your ears and start chanting "For Legs Good, Two Legs Bad"... oh wait, sorry "Murica, Freedom, Etc" ad naseum.
And since you made this a civil rights issue with you photos: Let's look at rights. It is your right to vote. It is also your right to not vote. Oh, plenty spin the line "Its your duty to vote" or "If you dont vote you dont have a say in things" but lets be realistic: voting perpetuates a system that everyone distrusts at some point, noone who is not a child believes this system to be just or accountable, and no real change has ever come from inside the political machine. To send a real point, and excersize your right, chose not to vote, if you all did it then you could send a real message.
Or don't, go ahead and vote for whoever's lies you like the smell of more. I cannot make you do something, nor would I want to. I hold many legal passports, but I have never voted. When there is a real choice on the table, maybe I will reconsider, but I refuse to choose between Lukewarm Bullshit and Fresh Steaming Bullshit.
PS: also, anyone who votes to the right is a fucking idiot, no exceptions, the past cannot be the future, it doesn't work that way. Shit is linear.
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I hadn't read the last couple of words: Sure mate, I guess I'm white... Not white enough to avoid being called a gyppo... and tbh, I don't know if I could have voted back then, did they use a colour chart or something to determine who was light enough to vote, or what? Did they just ask you shit like "Hey man, you wanna vote? You don't like watermelon do you?" or some other such rascist shit? I have no clue. If it was a chart, I might have passed, who knows... My old man's school pic shows him sat next to the aboriginal kids and he doesn't look out of place if I'm honest.
But as to going back to 1950's: I wouldn't mind, I'm colourblind, so I guess I would fit right in back then since it seems pretty monochrome.
Or don't, go ahead and vote for whoever's lies you like the smell of more. I cannot make you do something, nor would I want to. I hold many legal passports, but I have never voted. When there is a real choice on the table, maybe I will reconsider, but I refuse to choose between Lukewarm Bullshit and Fresh Steaming Bullshit.Someone will still vote thou. Always. And if its bunch of groups of extremist retards, while the people "with brains" according to your words, are protesting and not voting to prove their point, good luck on enjoying that fucked up society. Not voting will not save a country from demise, but rather speeds it up. And violently taking down a government will pretty much backtrack that countries development many years. Rebuilding it later wont be easy, depending entirely on the inpact. If it comes to that, youd better be damn sure the current rule is so bad that its all worth it. Atm atleast, for most EU countries, im quessing, its not.
The sheer ignorance and hypocrisy of your views on race, society, and history are embarrassing, and representative of Europe as a whole.Lolwat? Fuck you Fatpoor. :lol:
Someone will still vote thou. Always. And if its bunch of groups of extremist retards, while the people "with brains" according to your words, are protesting and not voting to prove their point, good luck on enjoying that fucked up society. Not voting will not save a country from demise, but rather speeds it up. And violently taking down a government will pretty much backtrack that countries development many years. Rebuilding it later wont be easy, depending entirely on the inpact. If it comes to that, youd better be damn sure the current rule is so bad that its all worth it. Atm atleast, for most EU countries, im quessing, its not.
Lolwat? Fuck you Fatpoor. :lol:
To sum up your post, you believe it was white middle class educated people like yourself, who are the true heroes of the american civil rights movement. If you were black in the 1910s in the South, your innate white middle class organizational skills would've broken the chains of oppression decades in advance. Black people are not really Americans or citizens, and only became real Americans when white people said so 50 years ago. And since there are still poor black people, no black people should vote because its their fault.
And after your entire point about not voting, you end with "and btw if u vote for a right-wing candidate you're dumb"
The sheer ignorance and hypocrisy of your views on race, society, and history are embarrassing, and representative of Europe as a whole.
No, Europe is a backwater of ethnic cleansing mistreatment of immigrants austerity measures and worst of all inhumane wars and suffering. America takes on the cost of defending human rights around the world because Europe was only good for taking them away through centuries of shameful imperialism. We live in living memory of the Holocaust and outside of brave England total surrender to fucking Naz1 Germany.visitors can't see pics , please register or login
And the Russians and Americans that you degrade were the ones who saved your entire cultures. Haha.
I also forgot to note that there were protests in 12 hungarian cities, in Britain, Poland, and the Netherlands.
Good to know people of europe are with us. There were also EU flags everywhere on these protests.
This is not only about this tax only. It is about abuse of political power, endless corruption, the head of NAV got banned out of the USA for corruption charges for an example, and five more people also did.
You are both wrong and gay because Murica + Yurop = best friends, no homo. Banter is banter but when push comes to shove we bomb some moslems together <3
Did this seriously become another NA bullshit thread.
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By creating inhumane wars and suffering?
Dont know if blind or troll.
I'm fucking done with this joke of a country. Wish I could just get the hell out of here before these imbeciles get us kicked out from EU or close borders. We are pretty much the laughingstock of europe.
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Remember things could always be worse. What if you were living in Turkey right now?
What's funny is Japan got so bad up to WW2 cuz they started copying Europeans. History was decided when we used atom bombs to finally get unconditional surrender and immediately begin human aid and rebuilding to all of Europe and Japan, with half the world wishing they got America on their side instead of the Soviets. With the EU on the brink of economic failure and European NATOs cowardice on display over Crimea and ISIS, you are all gonna be wishing you lived in America real soon heh
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Thank you very much Murica for rebuilding my country, which got independent in the 1989, just to fall under EU in 2003, which is offtopic. You barely have any idea of what you are writing about. You must be one of these Murica hero, that wants to introduce so called "democracy, and American way of life"... by force. America is like a bully, it only invades those who cannot defend themselves, and those that have some resources, or anything of value to share with.
Poland is actually one of the best economical performers of the region.
Why do you think Poland is one of the biggest supporters of the United States in the entire world? We both understand the costs, and rewards, of freedom, unlike most of you.
Just because couple people say something, and agree on something, doesnt mean entire nation support them. Poland is great example, a country of constant inner conflicts. Politicians do whatever they want, noone ask us, citizens what do we want, do we agree or not, its not Switzerland with its constant pools. This is Poland. You choose politicians basing on empty promises, and once he/she is choosen, they are not obligated to do what they said they will be doing. They can do whatever they want to. Law is not for everyone, etc., but Im not going to write about Poland, because its not the topic about it.
Last thing, Poland might look good in comparison to other ex ZSRR countries, but its not as good as it seems to be. Over 3 millions Poles left Poland in the last few years, for financial reasons.
Minimum wage here:
1680,00 PLN - Polska brutto
397,35 EUR - Unia Europejska
1237,00 zł PLN - Polska netto
292,57 EUR - Unia Europejska
1680,00 PLN - Polska brutto
500,12 USD - USA
1237,00 zł PLN - Polska netto
368,24 USD - USA
I strongly discourage anyone from coming here [its only good place to visit as a tourist destination], unless you are a Doctor, Engineer, Lawyer, IT dude, but even then, you might be going farther west, because Poles usually are treated like people of 3rd, or worse category, so dont bother.
Better go elsewhere.
Last thing, Poland might look good in comparison to other ex ZSRR countries, but its not as good as it seems to be.
Last one thing. Poland is one of the greates supporter of USA because politicians are morons. Americans call us great ally, but we need visia, and green card lottery, wtf is that? Since my early years I have always dreamt of emigrating to the USA, I remember how I followed the Iraq invasion in the CNN, I remember how USA kept on feeding us "Hey Poland, agree and you wont need visa etc.". Im 26 now, and guess what? I keep on hearing it again, and again. For all these years.
That is evident, I was only referencing it under those circumstances.
I was talking about the referenced plateau for individuals. There was no information in your OP about business rates so I didnt provide any opinion on it, seems over the top to react that way because I did not follow the Hungarian news network :|
On that part, I agree with you, it seems very exaggerated and could close business if the plateau is not global (a per business cap) and/or it remains that high a plateau for each client. Protest so that it changes :wink:
I'm actually half polish myself.
The plateau itself is a huge problem. at 0.6 euros per Gb, everybody even remotely connected is going to reach that 2.9 euro limit, on each of their connection plans (which means like 10 per family if you think about it). This is a large, fixed per-month amount of money that basically everybody will have to pay. In other words this is the most socially indiscriminate tax ever. There is zero reason for this tax to exist other than money, and there are much, much better ways to acquire money.
I agree, however for companies, etc etc this is going to be a 15-16 eur tax instead of 2.9.
This won't even give that much money according to their own predictions. They deal with a lot more when it comes to stealing money, and giving projects to companies close to them via corruption. Construction is one of these for an example.
Blindguy versus Smoothrich, funniest thread ever. If I didn't have them both on my ignore list.
Just be happy that you live in a democracy
FOR FOUR years Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban has been dispatching lobbyists and high-level envoys to Brussels and Washington to argue that his policies are misunderstood. Critics who claimed that he aimed to dismantle institutions such as free media and independent courts, limit freedom of religion and make his right-wing party invulnerable to electoral defeat were badly mistaken, Mr. Orban’s defenders claimed; all he was really doing was sweeping away the last vestiges of Hungary’s former communist regime.
All of that sounds bizarrely familiar. Except for the "limit freedom of religion" part of course.
FUCKSAKE Smooth, you see that? We aren't cool enough for the Frenchman.
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That is what I have been trying to say. It could all be worse, Christo. It could all be much worse.Thats not helping at all you know. Especially considering that this shit is completely avoidable and on top of that totally pointless in the first place.
The plateau itself is a huge problem. at 0.6 euros per Gb, everybody even remotely connected is going to reach that 2.9 euro limit, on each of their connection plans (which means like 10 per family if you think about it). This is a large, fixed per-month amount of money that basically everybody will have to pay. In other words this is the most socially indiscriminate tax ever. There is zero reason for this tax to exist other than money, and there are much, much better ways to acquire money.
Yes, since internet is very fast and a Gb is more and more considered as the Mb of yore, the plateau will be reached by anyone who is playing videos/downloading games/softwares and to an extent, using torrents and the like. Which is why a plateau is extremely important, and the lower the better.
And on the general matter of taxes, there is always a better way to acquire money, as long as it doesnt come out from our own pockets :P
The lower the limit, the more this tax hurts the poor and not the rich.
I'm not advocating for a tax-free utopia here, I'm just saying this is the worst way to tax. Do you know what worst means?
everybody even remotely connected is going to reach that 2.9 euro limit, on each of their connection plans (which means like 10 per family if you think about it).On the individual connexion tax, how would they differentiate several people using the same connexion, and tax them each, making it 10€ monthly for a family as you said?
The lower the limit, the better it is for the poor, the rich included. If they dont include average salary in the equation, it will not discriminate the poor from the rich, but saying a lower plateau hurts the poor is not true.
I know whats avoiding the only question in my post :P why you quote anything but that? At least develop on your own previous thought.
On the individual connexion tax, how would they differentiate several people using the same connexion, and tax them each, making it 10€ monthly for a family as you said?
So, Christo, is the tax rekt?
The problem is that the tax doesn't actually follow the amount of usage. It would make sense to have a low cost per Gb with a higher limit, so that large consumers pay more, and small consumers pay less.
They don't need to differentiate between people using the same connection. A family can very easily reach 1 mobile connection per person, plus one for the house.
So, Christo, is the tax rekt?
But since they arent stupid they know that poor as well as rich people can transfer high quantity of data... so I dont see your counter-argument to the fact that in an internet tax case, a very low plateau is the most sensible approach if its not indexed on a person revenue, if you want to raise money AND not hurt the poor more than necessary. If they applied a tax of 0.01€ per GB of data, noone would reach the plateau except those that feeds the internet the most, and they could be poor as shit free torrent seeders or rich as hell premium accounts.
The only difference would be, they would raise way less money. If you want to make a "just" tax you change the index parameter, not the plateau, especially in that case.
Even if you add mobile into the mix (notwithstanding the fact that if 2€ hurts you more than ideologically, you dont own 1 internet connected subscription mobile per person in a family...), an average person doesnt download as much data on them than on a computer.
Heh, we also have largely closed Sundays here and the strongest advocate of that lunacy are the unions.
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Why is Finland light green? WHAT DOES IT MEAN??