Strategus => Diplomacy => Topic started by: Bryggan on October 18, 2014, 06:41:45 pm
Title: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: Bryggan on October 18, 2014, 06:41:45 pm
While on a peaceful trading run, burdened down with way too many crates, Aezrayal of the 13 Knights was attacked by Hospitaller Goretooth. There was no warning message, no declaration of war, no reason given. My assumption is that Occitan believes because we are a small clan, we can not defend our own.
Which we can't. But we can do what little we can to hurt them. Due to this heinous attack, the 13 Knights declare war on Occitan. Which is a shame, cuz we were going to try something a little more fun once we got our armies built. Still, we cannot turn the clock back, and we will answer blood with blood.
If any other factions who are at war with Occitan wish to help us with silver, gear or men, it would be greatly appreciated. But, with help or none, we will get our revenge for this cowardly act.
Bryggan, 13 Knights Sumus Mala Fortuna
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: Voncrow on October 18, 2014, 07:05:17 pm
While on a peaceful trading run, burdened down with way too many crates, Aezrayal of the 13 Knights was attacked by Hospitaller Goretooth. There was no warning message, no declaration of war, no reason given. My assumption is that Occitan believes because we are a small clan, we can not defend our own.
Which we can't. But we can do what little we can to hurt them. Due to this heinous attack, the 13 Knights declare war on Occitan. Which is a shame, cuz we were going to try something a little more fun once we got our armies built. Still, we cannot turn the clock back, and we will answer blood with blood.
If any other factions who are at war with Occitan wish to help us with silver, gear or men, it would be greatly appreciated. But, with help or none, we will get our revenge for this cowardly act.
Bryggan, 13 Knights Sumus Mala Fortuna
Bryggan, go do the dishes.
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: Bryggan on October 18, 2014, 07:18:30 pm
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: MURDERTRON on October 18, 2014, 07:29:37 pm
HOLY SHIY THEY ATTACKED SOMEONE ALDO ROAD TO 39 IS HAPPENING
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: Jack1 on October 18, 2014, 07:42:50 pm
And the resistance grows ever stronger!
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: Goretooth on October 18, 2014, 07:58:43 pm
lol caught headed where on peace? when you gonna stop running jack i mean do you think it's fun for me to keep catching these reinforce armies? yes.. but yeah it's fun :)
lol caught headed where on peace? when you gonna stop running jack i mean do you think it's fun for me to keep catching these reinforce armies? yes.. but yeah it's fun :)
lol caught headed where on peace? when you gonna stop running jack i mean do you think it's fun for me to keep catching these reinforce armies? yes.. but yeah it's fun :)
Not much of a reinforcing army. But no, he was just passing by oblivious to your little scrap on his way to Knudarr castle. But such is war- its the innocents who get hurt.
Also you should know we always let our enemies know what we're doing, so we can arrange proper battle times and such. Still, despite the crappy time, it should be a fun battle.
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: Goretooth on October 18, 2014, 08:51:02 pm
Not much of a reinforcing army. But no, he was just passing by oblivious to your little scrap on his way to Knudarr castle. But such is war- its the innocents who get hurt.
Also you should know we always let our enemies know what we're doing, so we can arrange proper battle times and such. Still, despite the crappy time, it should be a fun battle.
will ask kesh about the times next time in advance.
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: Bryggan on October 18, 2014, 08:57:09 pm
Which one was Kesh again?
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: Albus on October 18, 2014, 09:02:59 pm
Yes. I was going to reinforce Jack with 2000 colored sands and 800 wooden sculptures. (<-Sarcasm) You're not suppose to attack us friendly traders! All I was doing was making money to feed my small family, BUT NO! YOU had to attack me! And now my children wont be able to do the things they love! I hope that when you go to sleep tonight you will think about how much of a terrible person you are and how disappointed your mother will be, knowing that YOU Goretooth attacked an innocent trader. You have ruined my Strategus experience and I don't know If I will ever play again. -Aezrayil
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: Bronto on October 18, 2014, 09:43:05 pm
Lol! Hope you're joking about Goretooth ruining your strat experience! If anything he's showing you the ropes. If you learn anything from this just remember you gotta get dem crates!
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: Taser on October 18, 2014, 10:03:46 pm
Jack's got occi so scared they attacking anyone going near his castle in case they might be helping.
Or occi is using that as a cover to get the crates. But can they be that smart to mask what they're doing?
Time will tell.
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: Bryggan on October 18, 2014, 10:05:21 pm
Psst Bronto- he's just saying that to lull the Occitan into thinking he won't come back for revenge. But this was less about 'dem cwates' than them thinking we were supporting Jack. So Aezrayel aka Albus had a good little cry, and I said, 'there, there", and he's all better now. Convinced him to just sell his kids to Ramun for some extra coin (he's young, he can have more) and work on building a new revenge army in the off chance he loses.
But our plan is to destroy this attacking army by being the most awesome Strat battle fighters ever. Then we'll take a couple castles and cities from them to prove we're serious then probably make peace with them.
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: Goretooth on October 18, 2014, 10:17:38 pm
Only reason i attacked cause :twisted: 13 Knights with 16 members needs to be changed. so expect a few more attacks to get that number down to the right number.
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: Jack1 on October 18, 2014, 10:25:55 pm
Only reason i attacked cause :twisted: 13 Knights with 16 members needs to be changed. so expect a few more attacks to get that number down to the right number.
there is 13 knights and 3 cum dumpsters
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: Dutchydave on October 19, 2014, 01:24:57 am
lol caught headed where on peace? when you gonna stop running jack i mean do you think it's fun for me to keep catching these reinforce armies? yes.. but yeah it's fun :)
I think I gotta talk to James. Our ratio of knights:cum dumpsters is way lower. There's not enough of them to go around!
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: Bryggan on October 19, 2014, 07:13:11 pm
Kinda painful getting roster stomped like that. 13 Knights have always fought for the side with the lower roster, like yesterday we fought on KBW's side against Frisia, and we have helped both sides of the mega-factions. Though we got paid by the Squids, whereas we did it for free for Acre. For the Squids I fought one big battle; for Acre we gave them New Shulus, New Slekhz castle and took New Ayn Assuadi from G-Force. We fought four or five big field battles for them against the Squids and G-Force.
Now I'm not saying anyone owes us, but I didn't think they'd be so mad at us to sign up for a roster that was twice the size of ours. Especially in an attack on a guy who was just in the wrong place at the wrong time (I can sorta understand Goretooth attacking, but it would have been nice if he had tried to contact us first). When I fought Black Company, I actually told people to sign up for them cuz we had outnumbered them on the roster at the beginning.
We had really, really wanted to stay out of the hate and bullshit between the two factions. I see it is completely hopeless now. Jack fights LCO, I'm friends with Jack, ergo 13K is enemies with LCO. So now I can't choose who my enemies are and who my allies are because I fought one battle against the ASA. And it makes one wonder if its worth building another army. If we had had 1500 men and Goretooth had 600, he still would have won due to merc support. And I don't think anyone can say we don't get roster support cuz we're assholes.
So I guess what I'm saying is: :cry:
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: Jack1 on October 19, 2014, 07:50:00 pm
It really sucks ass that this side of the merc pool has to recruit a week ahead of time to get an even roster on a seige and the second that the opposite side there are people on my roster that want to switch to make it a fair battle(which I'm okay with). It's just sad that the other side of the merc pool does not see it the same way. There is literally no point in playing strat in these conditions.
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 19, 2014, 08:24:17 pm
It really sucks ass that this side of the merc pool has to recruit a week ahead of time to get an even roster on a seige and the second that the opposite side there are people on my roster that want to switch to make it a fair battle(which I'm okay with). It's just sad that the other side of the merc pool does not see it the same way. There is literally no point in playing strat in these conditions.
I sign for who asks first now since IDC about politics anymore.
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: BaleOhay on October 19, 2014, 10:20:25 pm
the joyful fun of 68.8% of the map refusing to fight against eachother
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: Bryggan on October 19, 2014, 11:13:50 pm
I understand that people want to win and alliances are made, but the 13 Knights were no part of any great alliance. Goretooth attacks my guy mistakenly thinking he was going to reinforce Jack. So this is not part of the big Squid vs ASA battle, just a poor trader getting caught. I would have thought my past services would have earned me a few friends.
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So, if its not part of your big war, then use a pseudonym (13 Knights weren't at war with anyone, and every time we do join a side we let everyone know). If you are in a big war, and you're always losing, maybe its time to try to make peace. Not that that can happen. Too many people hate each other in this game. Which is sad. I mean, even King Yaroglek and King Harlaus would put aside their differences (after prolonging the war a bit for honour's sake, of course).
But I can't see Squids and Acre joining together to fight a new LCO/Random Barbarian Horde alliance. Kinda sad really. These grudges make diplomacy irrelevant.
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: Aztek on October 19, 2014, 11:55:45 pm
Bryggan,
I am sorry about how this all went down, we are over paranoid with reinforcements helping the all might Jack and that beast armor of his, so it really was wrong place/wrong time, But if it makes you feel better, It was Goretooth bugging all of us to sign up last minute, most can't be bothered with Strat anymore and signed up just to get Gore off our backs, lol. I do agree rosters have been crappy, there is always one side that gets the short end of the stick, we do feel your pain.
Basically I just wanted to say sorry for your loss, was a shitty way to lose your stuff. But tis the game of war and if we Hosp's have learned anything, its that we can never be too sure about our potential enemies, we are a well hated group afterall :D
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: Balikar on October 20, 2014, 12:35:39 am
the joyful fun of 68.8% of the map refusing to fight against eachother
All you ever want to do is point fingers. 'Oh, LCOH doesn't attack MB...' But the problem is you should be pointing those fingers to yourselves as well. The barbarian horde went out on a campaign to fight troops that weren't going to be used... but they never targetted Narra (Currently has 13k troops) or Ahmerrad (4k+). Why? Because you guys refuse to fight against the Squids, Sloths, and smaller respect, Yoshi. That 68.8% could in all actuality be upwards of 90% for that very reason.
And it reflects in the rosters... but again, none of the Steppe Alliance has merc'd against the Steppe alliance. Do you know what that means? You refuse to fight against each other. You know what? I get it. I'm just tired of hearing the whining. I won't go out of my way to fight on a Steppe Alliance roster because I have never had a steppe alliance member merc for me. Nor will I drum up support for them because again, they have never done it for me.
So in summary, I merc for those who merc for me. Right now we are all playing by the same set of rules... and if you want them to change, it begins with each specific strat player.
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: Bryggan on October 20, 2014, 01:42:22 am
I am sorry about how this all went down, we are over paranoid with reinforcements helping the all might Jack and that beast armor of his, so it really was wrong place/wrong time, But if it makes you feel better, It was Goretooth bugging all of us to sign up last minute, most can't be bothered with Strat anymore and signed up just to get Gore off our backs, lol. I do agree rosters have been crappy, there is always one side that gets the short end of the stick, we do feel your pain.
Basically I just wanted to say sorry for your loss, was a shitty way to lose your stuff. But tis the game of war and if we Hosp's have learned anything, its that we can never be too sure about our potential enemies, we are a well hated group afterall :D
Yeah, we figured it was a 'paranoid' attack, and I understand that. We should have messaged you, but I hadn't realized how close Aezayrael was to Derchios castle (he was on his way to Knudarr castle). So I'm not saying the attack was unjustified (well, only in RP), its just that if you are not steppe and you are not un-steppe you are screwed.
We have merced for both sides, but under pseudonyms so i guess no one remembers us being there. It's not so obvious with most of us, but even the very day Jack (when he was in 13 Knights and who makes himself very obvious) and me (cannon fodder) rostered under Acre I had James complaining we didn't help them (Jack changed his pseudonym to 'Whoa_Dude_Chill" for that). I will admit we've merced more against the ASA than for, but that was because they usually had pretty bad rosters and battles are a lot more fun when the teams are more evenly matched.
It's this 'All or nothing' attitude that gets me. People are forced to choose sides. If we had attacked LCO, then yeah, maybe. But all the steppe players aren't going to sign up for some nobody in a battle that won't make a difference to them. But all the ASA will.
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: BaleOhay on October 20, 2014, 05:25:40 am
All you ever want to do is point fingers. 'Oh, LCOH doesn't attack MB...' But the problem is you should be pointing those fingers to yourselves as well. The barbarian horde went out on a campaign to fight troops that weren't going to be used... but they never targetted Narra (Currently has 13k troops) or Ahmerrad (4k+). Why? Because you guys refuse to fight against the Squids, Sloths, and smaller respect, Yoshi. That 68.8% could in all actuality be upwards of 90% for that very reason.
And it reflects in the rosters... but again, none of the Steppe Alliance has merc'd against the Steppe alliance. Do you know what that means? You refuse to fight against each other. You know what? I get it. I'm just tired of hearing the whining. I won't go out of my way to fight on a Steppe Alliance roster because I have never had a steppe alliance member merc for me. Nor will I drum up support for them because again, they have never done it for me.
So in summary, I merc for those who merc for me. Right now we are all playing by the same set of rules... and if you want them to change, it begins with each specific strat player.
what alliance are you in? I have merced for a lot of people on and off. Maybe even you
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 20, 2014, 06:10:49 am
No, you have not. In fact, with how dogged kesh has been over Balikar, I doubt you'd live it down fighting for him.
an easier answer would eb to tell me what alliance he was in. Kesh has never told me who I have to merc for someone in particular. I can and do make my own decisions
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: Goretooth on October 20, 2014, 02:36:57 pm
an easier answer would eb to tell me what alliance he was in. Kesh has never told me who I have to merc for someone in particular. I can and do make my own decisions
To my knowledge, Astralis has no formal alliances. Nor do we have any pacts of non aggression. We are only at war with one clan, AoW. There are a lot of reasons from this strat alone that has warranted the war. I doubt you have merc'd against them.
That being said, I highly doubt we would attack LCOH, Acre, or MB. They allowed us trade in our rebuilding efforts, and continue to do so. They also merc for us, but I covered the whole merc aspect in a previous post.
Wardens of the North, and Black Company have both been at war with us in the early stages. Upon getting wiped, we entered peace with them. About that wiping... small bit of 'Do you remember...' Astralis was at war with four clans at one time. GeForce, AoW, Wardens, and BC. The only ones to help us at the time was Frisia. We remember. So when Frisians go to war, we are often by their side.
Legitimate Businessmen, Hessians, Britannics... all too far away really for us to support/fight.
Steppe Alliance... interesting thing here. I complained long and hard about how the trade situation was set up. Know what Kesh said... paraphrasing (I can dig up actual quotes if you like) 'There is no alliance. Unless you are Acre, or Astralis, you can freely trade here...' I took that to heart. Trade truly influenced who Astralis stands with. Without fiefs of our own for a long while, we had to build relations with those who would allow use of their SnD. Everything at the time was 'closed' or 'restricted.' And to have a whole third of the map shut down, willingly, by those who 'lived' there... It sucked.
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: BaleOhay on October 20, 2014, 04:51:34 pm
I fought for astralis this round of strat
http://c-rpg.net/?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattleroster&id=207 I was on my archer at the time and went 7-3 in the fight. You lost hawtshot (was the pseudo) 7 3
illdist attacked anders or something When: 27/02/2014 09:10 PM until 09:21 PM
I am willing to bet I fought for you guys at least one more time this round
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: MURDERTRON on October 20, 2014, 05:04:28 pm
To my knowledge, Astralis has no formal alliances. Nor do we have any pacts of non aggression. We are only at war with one clan, AoW. There are a lot of reasons from this strat alone that has warranted the war. I doubt you have merc'd against them.
That being said, I highly doubt we would attack LCOH, Acre, or MB. They allowed us trade in our rebuilding efforts, and continue to do so. They also merc for us, but I covered the whole merc aspect in a previous post.
Wardens of the North, and Black Company have both been at war with us in the early stages. Upon getting wiped, we entered peace with them. About that wiping... small bit of 'Do you remember...' Astralis was at war with four clans at one time. GeForce, AoW, Wardens, and BC. The only ones to help us at the time was Frisia. We remember. So when Frisians go to war, we are often by their side.
Legitimate Businessmen, Hessians, Britannics... all too far away really for us to support/fight.
Steppe Alliance... interesting thing here. I complained long and hard about how the trade situation was set up. Know what Kesh said... paraphrasing (I can dig up actual quotes if you like) 'There is no alliance. Unless you are Acre, or Astralis, you can freely trade here...' I took that to heart. Trade truly influenced who Astralis stands with. Without fiefs of our own for a long while, we had to build relations with those who would allow use of their SnD. Everything at the time was 'closed' or 'restricted.' And to have a whole third of the map shut down, willingly, by those who 'lived' there... It sucked.
Gforce has had no wars or alliances. We wiped Hospitallers simply because we were bored.
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: Keshian on October 20, 2014, 05:31:28 pm
To my knowledge, Astralis has no formal alliances. Nor do we have any pacts of non aggression. We are only at war with one clan, AoW. There are a lot of reasons from this strat alone that has warranted the war. I doubt you have merc'd against them.
That being said, I highly doubt we would attack LCOH, Acre, or MB. They allowed us trade in our rebuilding efforts, and continue to do so. They also merc for us, but I covered the whole merc aspect in a previous post.
Wardens of the North, and Black Company have both been at war with us in the early stages. Upon getting wiped, we entered peace with them. About that wiping... small bit of 'Do you remember...' Astralis was at war with four clans at one time. GeForce, AoW, Wardens, and BC. The only ones to help us at the time was Frisia. We remember. So when Frisians go to war, we are often by their side.
Legitimate Businessmen, Hessians, Britannics... all too far away really for us to support/fight.
Steppe Alliance... interesting thing here. I complained long and hard about how the trade situation was set up. Know what Kesh said... paraphrasing (I can dig up actual quotes if you like) 'There is no alliance. Unless you are Acre, or Astralis, you can freely trade here...' I took that to heart. Trade truly influenced who Astralis stands with. Without fiefs of our own for a long while, we had to build relations with those who would allow use of their SnD. Everything at the time was 'closed' or 'restricted.' And to have a whole third of the map shut down, willingly, by those who 'lived' there... It sucked.
Lol, you mean this post http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/nova-reyvadin-trade-restrictions/msg1026865/#msg1026865 (http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/nova-reyvadin-trade-restrictions/msg1026865/#msg1026865) where I told you you could use our free trade fiefs, but if you are worried about aow attacking on the way to our fiefs we had heard they offered free passage if you just asked them first, except for astralis and acre who they were currently at war with. Nothing in there about Random AI barbarian horde ever being against you, in fact I was encouraging people in that thread to just use the snow route to go use our free trade fiefs. But I do have some great quotes from around that time about how anders and you guys supported grey order invading NA against us and merced for them in both fights. http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/intercontinental-event-titled-'catch-a-kesh'/msg1032835/#msg1032835 (http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/intercontinental-event-titled-'catch-a-kesh'/msg1032835/#msg1032835)
I have never told Bale who to merc for - he does more than me for making our clan do well on strat, you just don't see him spouting on forums like me as much because hes a bit more laid back. Frankly, most of the time you post you sound super self-righteous ball-licker, but you forget to mention that you were in an alliance with LCOH the entire strat after they dumped tons of troops into tilbaut castle when it was being attacked (and then by association allied with acre, mb, and the rest exclusively mercing for them even when it was mb v random ai barbarian horde). Bale actually has merced for you, hell I even merced for you the 1 battle you didn't have against AoW and have merced multiple times for Acre and black company and hospitallers, but you moonshine have never merced for anyone not in your group alliance. The hypocrisy is real.
You keep spouting this imaginary "steppe alliance" for validating why you never do anything different even though strat is dying with 50 v 24 battles. I was going to switch sides last time I saw battle where the occitan, hospitaller, mb, astralis, black company, chevalieres, acre alliance might actually have been short players (jack's siege defense, its pretty rare for the alliance of 75% of the remaining strat playerbase to be short people but the second you were I told Jack I would switch to make a good fight if more people didnt show on your side and he was going to switch too). I actually care about keeping the strat community alive and work hard to make battles and support underdogs. Too many of youa re just so bitter that you would rather see the community die off and have shitty 50 v 24 battles than even consider the remote possibility of not harboring grudges 3 strats long, getting off your ass and attacking (still sitting defending even with strat ending in 2 weeks and countlessly outnumbering everyone not in your giant alliance) and actually looking to make strat fun and active. THIS is the single biggest reason this strat was complete shit.
P.S. Your giant alliance of 75% of the strat playerbase very similar to UIF in Eu - basically they accuse every small faction not in the UIF as being part of the "Anti-UIF", which is funny because 13K and yoshis and hessians had quite literally nothing to do with random ai barbarian horde in any possible remote way. But your big gay alliance was certainly good for killing off small factions by overwhelmingly supporting merc-wise against these small factions even if it meant mercing for eu factions and hurting the strat community, becasue they were "anti - big gay allaince" simply for existing and not being part of your group. At least UIF atatcks people and gives fights - other than hospitallers none of you have done even remotely as many battles initiated as even our tiny faction, let alone a group like the squids who have lost 2/3rds of their players to other games. Fucking backseat strat players moonshine is what you guys are - bitching and trolling on forums, but never doing anything except mercing for the side that already has 50 mercs against 24.
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: Balikar on October 20, 2014, 05:37:06 pm
http://c-rpg.net/?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattleroster&id=207 I was on my archer at the time and went 7-3 in the fight. You lost hawtshot (was the pseudo) 7 3
illdist attacked anders or something When: 27/02/2014 09:10 PM until 09:21 PM
I am willing to bet I fought for you guys at least one more time this round
That was the very first battle of strat that Astralis was in. Still counts though. Anders has merc'd for Kesh though, so, it sorta cancels out. ;-)
Lol, you mean this post http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/nova-reyvadin-trade-restrictions/msg1026865/#msg1026865 (http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/nova-reyvadin-trade-restrictions/msg1026865/#msg1026865) where I told you you could use our free trade fiefs, but if you are worried about aow attacking on the way to our fiefs we had heard they offered free passage if you just asked them first, except for astralis and acre who they were currently at war with. Nothing in there about Random AI barbarian horde ever being against you. But I do have some great quotes from around that time about how anders and you guys supported grey order invading NA against us and merced for them in both fights. http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/intercontinental-event-titled-'catch-a-kesh'/msg1032835/#msg1032835 (http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/intercontinental-event-titled-'catch-a-kesh'/msg1032835/#msg1032835)
I have never told Bale who to merc for - he does more than me for making our clan do well on strat, you just don't see him spouting on forums like me as much because hes a bit more laid back. Frankly, most of the time you post you sound super self-righteous ball-licker, but you forget to mention that you were in an alliance with LCOH the entire strat after they dumped tons of troops into tilbaut castle when it was being attacked (and then by association allied with acre, mb, and the rest exclusively mercing for them even when it was mb v random ai barbarian horde). Bale actually has merced for you, hell I even merced for you the 1 battle you didn't have against AoW and have merced multiple times for Acre and black company and hospitallers, but you moonshine have never merced for anyone not in your group alliance. The hypocrisy is real.
You keep spouting this imaginary "steppe alliance" for validating why you never do anything different even though strat is dying with 50 v 24 battles. I was going to switch sides last time I saw battle where the occitan, hospitaller, mb, astralis, black company, chevalieres, acre alliance might actually have been short players (jack's siege defense, its pretty rare for the alliance of 75% of the remaining strat playerbase to be short people but the second you were I told Jack I would switch to make a good fight if more people didnt show on your side and he was going to switch too). I actually care about keeping the strat community alive and work hard to make battles and support underdogs. Too many of youa re just so bitter that you would rather see the community die off and have shitty 50 v 24 battles than even consider the remote possibility of not harboring grudges 3 strats long, getting off your ass and attacking (still sitting defending even with strat ending in 2 weeks and countlessly outnumbering everyone not in your giant alliance) and actually looking to make strat fun and active. THIS is the single biggest reason this strat was complete shit.
P.S. Your giant alliance of 75% of the strat playerbase very similar to UIF in Eu - basically they accuse every small faction not in the UIF as being part of the "Anti-UIF", which is funny because 13K and yoshis and hessians had quite literally nothing to do with random ai barbarian horde in any possible remote way. But your big gay alliance was certainly good for killing off small factions by overwhelmingly supporting merc-wise against these small factions even if it meant mercing for eu factions and hurting the strat community, becasue they were "anti - big gay allaince" simply for existing and not being part of your group. At least UIF atatcks people and gives fights - other than hospitallers none of you have done even remotely as many battles initiated as even our tiny faction, let alone a group like the squids who have lost 2/3rds of their players to other games. Fucking backseat strat players moonshine is what you guys are - bitching and trolling on forums, but never doing anything except mercing for the side that already has 50 mercs against 24.
Ah, kesh, the master of misinformation.
>>But I do have some great quotes from around that time about how anders and you guys supported grey order invading NA against us and merced for them in both fights.<<
Why, that's Anders going 8 and 2 for you. Plain as day.
Good quotes Kesh, but... the data tells all. Did you see members of MB fighting for you too? I sure did.
>>(and then by association allied with acre, mb, and the rest exclusively mercing for them even when it was mb v random ai barbarian horde)<<
I love how 'association' only applies to people opposite of you Kesh. Truly. The steppe alliance exists via association for the very reasons you attempt you use against me.
>>alone a group like the squids who have lost 2/3rds of their players to other games.<<
You mean like every other faction in the game.
One more thing... Squid history for jumping trade caravans with 'free passage', especially Astralis ones, isn't very good. They've jumped us after 'free passage' had been given. Second, the only time I entered a Squid TS (to actually compliment them on a battle) I was instabanned. I doubt free passage would have been garnered. Simply empty words from an empty person.
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: MURDERTRON on October 20, 2014, 05:51:55 pm
You say you have no official alliances, yet merc exclusively for certain clans and fight only specific clans. When I attack someone because they foolishly presented me with a good opportunity, you imply that locked into a war, when it was only a battle or two. Please try to be consistent with your bullshitting.
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: Goretooth on October 20, 2014, 05:55:59 pm
Since we getting off topic about my lust for crates. I miss strat 1 and 2 battles. this flag capping building armies for months is shit. It just promotes boring strat battles.
and why is kesh and Turdertron so butthurt towards moonshine?
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: Balikar on October 20, 2014, 05:57:07 pm
You say you have no official alliances, yet merc exclusively for certain clans and fight only specific clans. When I attack someone because they foolishly presented me with a good opportunity, you imply that locked into a war, when it was only a battle or two. Please try to be consistent with your bullshitting.
If you'd like Murder, I can pull up a shitload of battle rosters where I have merc'd for people outside my 'alliance.' AI castle defenses, and even a failed trade agreement between Astralis/Marauders. We upheld our end of things, the defense held, and then they merged with AoW a week later. I was told the trade contract was now null and void. Just one of many Diplomatic failures with the Squids....
>>and why is kesh and Turdertron so butthurt towards moonshine?<<
They hate logic. And opposition. No more, no less.
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: Goretooth on October 20, 2014, 05:59:51 pm
If you'd like Murder, I can pull up a shitload of battle rosters where I have merc'd for people outside my 'alliance.' AI castle defenses, and even a failed trade agreement between Astralis/Marauders. We upheld our end of things, the defense held, and then they merged with AoW a week later. I was told the trade contract was now null and void. Just one of many Diplomatic failures with the Squids....
>>and why is kesh and Turdertron so butthurt towards moonshine?<<
They hate logic. And opposition. No more, no less.
Ah well they would get mercs if they didn't betray and lie to everyone. I mean you'l get mercs for one battle and then... yeah all they do now is bitch and whine on the forums. also why did i go from lvl 31 to 35? wtf is this shit? tydouche strikes again or what?
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: Balikar on October 20, 2014, 06:07:16 pm
Ah well they would get mercs if they didn't betray and lie to everyone. I mean you'l get mercs for one battle and then... yeah all they do now is bitch and whine on the forums. also why did i go from lvl 31 to 35? wtf is this shit? tydouche strikes again or what?
New patch. Lowered experience requirements, new levels for stf characters... etc. Where have you been? ;-)
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: MURDERTRON on October 20, 2014, 06:14:23 pm
Ah well they would get mercs if they didn't betray and lie to everyone. I mean you'l get mercs for one battle and then... yeah all they do now is bitch and whine on the forums. also why did i go from lvl 31 to 35? wtf is this shit? tydouche strikes again or what?
Who did we betray and lie to? As far as I remember, I was very honest about what happened in a specific episode of...
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: mcdeath on October 20, 2014, 06:37:58 pm
Ah well they would get mercs if they didn't betray and lie to everyone. I mean you'l get mercs for one battle and then... yeah all they do now is bitch and whine on the forums. also why did i go from lvl 31 to 35? wtf is this shit? tydouche strikes again or what?
I bet Kesh scared away all of his merc support with all of the yelling and sperging out he does in ts
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: SucculentHeadCrab on October 20, 2014, 07:08:46 pm
At least no one will ever beat Goretooth at a dance off.
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: Balikar on October 20, 2014, 07:16:53 pm
P.S. Your giant alliance of 75% of the strat playerbase very similar to UIF in Eu - basically they accuse every small faction not in the UIF as being part of the "Anti-UIF", which is funny because 13K and yoshis and hessians had quite literally nothing to do with random ai barbarian horde in any possible remote way. But your big gay alliance was certainly good for killing off small factions by overwhelmingly supporting merc-wise against these small factions even if it meant mercing for eu factions and hurting the strat community, becasue they were "anti - big gay allaince" simply for existing and not being part of your group. At least UIF atatcks people and gives fights - other than hospitallers none of you have done even remotely as many battles initiated as even our tiny faction, let alone a group like the squids who have lost 2/3rds of their players to other games. Fucking backseat strat players moonshine is what you guys are - bitching and trolling on forums, but never doing anything except mercing for the side that already has 50 mercs against 24.
Just some more misinformation fixing...
1) Never claimed 13k or Hessians were a part of it. The Yoshi most definitely are.
Excerpt from their faction page: "We are currently at war with Acre and allied with the noble and gracious Republic of Squids." http://forum.melee.org/faction-halls/(na)-yoshi!-(recruiting-na)/ (http://forum.melee.org/faction-halls/(na)-yoshi!-(recruiting-na)/)
2) Squids may have lost 2/3 of their people to other games... something every faction has felt... and yet, they still have a large enough player base to maintain 17k worth of troops stocked in their cities. That's still a very sizeable amount of active players. More so than most clans probably have.
3) Random horde has been involved in 12 more battles than Astralis. Random horde only has '8' players, and Astralis has what, maybe 5 active on the strat map? Numbers are so staggering.
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: Keshian on October 20, 2014, 07:19:09 pm
I bet Kesh scared away all of his merc support with all of the yelling and sperging out he does in ts
Huh? You must have been banned for ages from our ts. have no idea what youa re talking about. Though I did hear from some people that MB ts was incredibly disorganized with all the little kids making idiotic noises (i'm sure you were one of those, main reasons you got banned - too annoying a little kid), made the battles a lot less fun.
1) Never claimed 13k or Hessians were a part of it. The Yoshi most definitely are.
Excerpt from their faction page: "We are currently at war with Acre and allied with the noble and gracious Republic of Squids." http://forum.melee.org/faction-halls/(na)-yoshi!-(recruiting-na)/ (http://forum.melee.org/faction-halls/(na)-yoshi!-(recruiting-na)/)
2) Squids may have lost 2/3 of their people to other games... something every faction has felt... and yet, they still have a large enough player base to maintain 17k worth of troops stocked in their cities. That's still a very sizeable amount of active players. More so than most clans probably have.
3) Random horde has been involved in 12 more battles than Astralis. Random horde only has '8' players, and Astralis has what, maybe 5 active on the strat map? Numbers are so staggering.
P.S. Ball-licker, no one really knows you, just some random annoying little brother of all day's i think, could be wrong. Then out of nowhere you come along and say all this crap like you actually know anything about strat and your ignorance just seeps through. Its why your posts are irrelevant. If you actually looked at stats and understood strategus you would see that random ai barbarian horde had almost twice as many attacks initiated as astralis and thats not even including the first 2/3rds of strat when we used a different faction name, then you need to also look at troops lost and you see that most of your fights were tiny meaningless stuff like 200 unarmed population or 100 man afks. Sitting in a castle and just defending takes very little skill or no how, squids initiated those fights not you who have done practically nothing this strat. they gave the community battles there, not you so don't bother including them in your assessment of how much astralis has done, look at battles initiated (over half of yours though were against 100-200 man fights unarmed).
You do shit in battles and you mainly are like hat little annoying kid that just keeps talking thinking it will eventually make him sound smarter (like mcdeath). But little kids like you should just keep your mouth shut and learn from people that actually know what the fuck they are talking about.
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: mcdeath on October 20, 2014, 07:28:40 pm
Huh? You must have been banned for ages from our ts. have no idea what youa re talking about. Though I did hear from some people that MB ts was incredibly disorganized with all the little kids making idiotic noises (i'm sure you were one of those, main reasons you got banned - too annoying a little kid), made the battles a lot less fun.
I am not banned from your ts? I was in there last night? #TalkToEm420Braj
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Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: mcdeath on October 20, 2014, 07:37:17 pm
Real talk Kesh I am trying to figure out why you just hate me so much. All I ever did was love you. Did I love too much? I can't ease the pain I have so deep down inside. You just downvote all my posts and I feel its just a cry for help.
To quote a great movie/song aka Frozen/Do you want to build a snowman.
"We used to be best buddies And now we're not I wish you would tell me why!"
"I'm right out here for you, just let me in"
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: Balikar on October 20, 2014, 07:56:14 pm
P.S. Ball-licker, no one really knows you, just some random annoying little brother of all day's i think, could be wrong. Then out of nowhere you come along and say all this crap like you actually know anything about strat and your ignorance just seeps through. Its why your posts are irrelevant. If you actually looked at stats and understood strategus you would see that random ai barbarian horde had almost twice as many attacks initiated as astralis and thats not even including the first 2/3rds of strat when we used a different faction name, then you need to also look at troops lost and you see that most of your fights were tiny meaningless stuff like 200 unarmed population or 100 man afks. Sitting in a castle and just defending takes very little skill or no how, squids initiated those fights not you who have done practically nothing this strat. they gave the community battles there, not you so don't bother including them in your assessment of how much astralis has done, look at battles initiated (over half of yours though were against 100-200 man fights unarmed).
You do shit in battles and you mainly are like hat little annoying kid that just keeps talking thinking it will eventually make him sound smarter (like mcdeath). But little kids like you should just keep your mouth shut and learn from people that actually know what the fuck they are talking about.
I'm not disagreeing with you that my fights have been tiny. Not by a long shot, but none of them have been meaningless. Three of my fights (5, not a lot) were at the extremes of the map, and without support. No safe haven to run to. They were against trade caravans. I've personally looted close to 20k worth of goods from Squid hands. How many battles happened after Legs was sent to EU? In fact, that single move kickstarted the bulk of the war.
Then there was the gear I've taken from them. It's been enough to arm several armies. I've offered gear to several smaller, neutral factions to shorten the time, but haven't had many takers. Cutting the trade out from the squids, burning taking their gear, and burning their tickets (307 of ours vs 2570 of theirs) has been a decent effort on my part. Again, no support, no free gear, and no free troops on my part.
And since you are the king of misinformation:
None of my fights have been against unarmed armies. Unless you count Heraldic Tabards over Mail and Plate to be unarmed. And you are correct.. my little brother is All Day.
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: Jack1 on October 20, 2014, 08:19:44 pm
At least no one will ever beat Goretooth at a dance off.
Idk if you've ever seen James dance but that bitch can spin on cardboard fo dayzzzzzzzzz.
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on October 21, 2014, 12:51:56 am
Lel who cares strat's officially dying.
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: Snufalufagus on October 21, 2014, 03:08:48 am
What is dead may never die.
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: Bryggan on October 21, 2014, 10:55:36 am
Here's a simple solution: Squids make peace with or without concessions. Without support all fighting stops. We all stand and stare at each other. Then we realize Strat is about to end, and we all attack each other; preferably one faction vs one other faction. Everyone forgets their earlier hatreds and alliances and just looks at the rosters and supports whoever they think they needs the most help... even though it might mean half of one clan will sign up for one faction and the other half will sign up for the other. Cuz who cares; good fun and lots XP.
So perhaps you might lose because of worse gear and less ticks. Who gives a fuck*. There's no shame in losing if you can put up a fight going down (lesson I learned in grade three). If the Euros taught us anything it is there can be glory in defeat: Arthur vs Mordred, Beowulf vs the dragon, Roland and his horn vs the Saracens, Britain in Dunkirk vs the Germans, and the Dutch vs Spain World Cup in 2010.
So lets's worry a little less about winning as we are about making some strat history. It's better to be the hero of some losing battle than the whiney little bitch who won't fight at all unless they can gank some easy target.
So, I beg you, whoever here thinks Strat should be about awesome battles that make or break empires, that wars are something you should be able to boast about 'just being in', rather than 'winning or losing', that ninja rosters are just gay homoerotic, that winning a battle should be based on a good, fair fight, then do just one thing- SIGN UP FOR THE LOWEST ROSTER NO MATTER WHAT CLAN YOU ARE IN!!!!!!!!!
And if they Ninja roster, please switch sides. Or show up and quit. Let's not let these pathetic individuals try exploit game mechanics.
Is it really too much to ask that all non-retarded people try make this game fun?
*Just losers who have no self worth except what they can get by playing a pretty stupid but the best we can get Rpg (though most have forgotten the RP part of RPG) cuz they have small penises and still need their mom's help to dress themselves in the morning.
Title: Re: An Unprovoked Attack
Post by: elvis1325 on October 21, 2014, 03:17:24 pm
1) Never claimed 13k or Hessians were a part of it. The Yoshi most definitely are.
Just to clear things up, we are at war with Acre for independent reasons (no fucking clue why). We are more of informal allies with the squids. They have helped us to get us on our feet in strategus, But this is true for the sloths and Jack 1 too. I find we are more at war with cooperation however, as we have had about two engagments with acre this strat and (four or five???) With cooperation. The fighting between us seems to be more intermittent and opportunist more than anything. We tend to merc for those who have helped us as number one priority, followed by any NA faction, and never EU. We try to fight against EU as much as possible to keep our border integrity.