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Title: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: STR_aD_Sargon_eqv on July 14, 2014, 09:48:28 pm
Imba sargon, grellenort and every 1h cav are gonna leave the mod.
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Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Panos_ on July 14, 2014, 09:50:29 pm
good at backstabbing, useless as a standing tree while dismounted.

You`d be a good GK.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Tibe on July 14, 2014, 10:49:37 pm
God I hate 1h cav so much.
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Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: //saxon on July 15, 2014, 04:47:02 am
Sargon explain Bump slash in two words please  :P

anyone else feel free.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: XyNox on July 15, 2014, 05:05:08 am
Sargon explain Bump slash in two words please  :P

anyone else feel free.

"testicle spasms"

Surely feels like it
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Blackbow on July 15, 2014, 05:08:58 am
Bump slash so hard yo
Lance couch so hard yo
HA so hard yo
HX so hard yo


CAV SO FUCKING HARD !!!!

Buff Foot Archers and fix broken str archery build !!
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Son Of Odin on July 15, 2014, 05:14:02 am
Sargon explain Bump slash in two words please  :P

anyone else feel free.

Decreased damage.

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Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Sharpe on July 15, 2014, 05:47:44 am
Sargon explain Bump slash in two words please  :P

anyone else feel free.

Anal Rape.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: STR_aD_Sargon_eqv on July 15, 2014, 08:46:31 am
good at backstabbing, useless as a standing tree while dismounted.

You`d be a good GK.
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Bump slash so hard yo
Lance couch so hard yo
HA so hard yo
HX so hard yo


CAV SO FUCKING HARD !!!!

Buff Foot Archers and fix broken str archery build !!
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Sargon explain Bump slash in two words please  :P

when i hear "bump slash" i always remembering hose words: "... and i will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger, those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. and you will know, my name is the Lord, when I lay my vengeance upon thee".
i can describe it with 1 word: vengeance  :lol:
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: STR_aD_Sargon_eqv on July 15, 2014, 08:53:50 am
ah btw i don't understand why somebody re downvotin my post but it makes me laugh, keep it goin  :mrgreen:

in fact that post has one thought, aside from Algarn trolling.

that was a most stupid patch. they removed heavy cav but they got tons of light cav what is much worse because light cav is more maneuver. and it's more gay. so that was stupid.

and u can't nerf really good players like Royanss, Grell and me. so meno male  :wink:

all u did is made ur life more comfortable. this way u can keep play retarded agi 2h and be happy.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: jtobiasm on July 15, 2014, 09:20:46 am
but can you eat a rowntrees fruit pastille without chewing it????
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Strudog on July 15, 2014, 09:58:17 am
ah btw i don't understand why somebody re downvotin my post but it makes me laugh, keep it goin  :mrgreen:

in fact that post has one thought, aside from Algarn trolling.

that was a most stupid patch. they removed heavy cav but they got tons of light cav what is much worse because light cav is more maneuver. and it's more gay. so that was stupid.

and u can't nerf really good players like Royanss, Grell and me. so meno male  :wink:

all u did is made ur life more comfortable. this way u can keep play retarded agi 2h and be happy.



hahahahahahhahahahahaahahahhaahahahahahahahahahaaahahahahahhahahhahaha.

1h cav is the 1 hitting wonder build that takes little to no skill to use, want to play a difficult class on horse> try LHB on horse thats how 1h/2h cab should be, not insta swing, bumpslashing, 1 hit killing machine.

the reason why i left royanns out of this is because he at least does not use  a heavy horse unlike you and grellernort, your both armour and 1h cav crutching, remove your heavy horse and you both suck.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Panos_ on July 15, 2014, 10:00:56 am
At least Royanss has the balls to attack enemies from the front, even if he plays with a weak horse (compared to heavy armoured ones)
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Macropus on July 15, 2014, 10:07:07 am
does not use  a heavy horse unlike you and grellernort, your both armour and 1h cav crutching, remove your heavy horse and you both suck.
Just a side note: Sargon uses Destrier ever since the patch came out, Grellenort has about 100 ping and is a good shielder as well.  :wink:
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: STR_aD_Sargon_eqv on July 15, 2014, 10:10:40 am
those screens was made AFTER the patch. i am ride a destrier since that patch came out. sure, destrier is heavy enough to say that :D
i made some screens when i saw that Algarn's post =)

Royanss got 45 b.a. i ve got 50... wide interval, for sure  :wink:

At least Royanss has the balls to attack enemies from the front, even if he plays with a weak horse (compared to heavy armoured ones)

looks like Panos got his eyes on the ass that's why he think i am attackin from the back  :D
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Teeth on July 15, 2014, 10:22:00 am
Decreased damage.

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Decreased damage on bumpattacks is apparently not really working correctly.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Strudog on July 15, 2014, 10:23:34 am
Just a side note: Sargon uses Destrier ever since the patch came out, Grellenort has about 100 ping and is a good shielder as well.  :wink:

Makes it even more OP, that someone with that kind of ping can pretty much top the scoreboard consistently.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Mr.K. on July 15, 2014, 10:30:50 am
Tbf, he (Sargon) is one of the few cav guys that fights cav and infantry head on at all. Used to call me a cheater when I killed him though :lol:

But yeah, cav wasn't really nerfed, it was just removed mostly. It's still strong, but requires builds that devs didn't let us respec to. I haven't played 1H cav since the patch broke my lvl34 char and I can't trade my large warhorse to a barded one, so I'm playing 2H/Pole mostly now. The only real difference for cav since the failpatch is that horse archers can take them down easier, while riding on a horse that can't be shot down by almost any ranged. Anyone with more than one brain cell would have known this was a problem, but apparently NA balancers don't know or care about the HA/archer problem we have on EU.

Grellenort abuses heavy armor and a great lance. Also he's mediocre at best as a shielder, though it might be the ping that causes him trouble. He can top the scoreboards for two reasons, Great Lance is lame and OP and the average awareness of a crpg player is non-existant.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: jtobiasm on July 15, 2014, 10:41:02 am
hahaha, why are you all having a go at grellenort?

Sure he uses a heavy horse, but did you see him in the 5v5 tourney? He was fkin awesome
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Mr.K. on July 15, 2014, 10:50:29 am
hahaha, why are you all having a go at grellenort?

Sure he uses a heavy horse, but did you see him in the 5v5 tourney? He was fkin awesome

I didn't. I have a tendency to disrespect shielders, so I might be biased against Grellenort here.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: STR_aD_Sargon_eqv on July 15, 2014, 10:58:31 am
Tbf, he (Sargon) is one of the few cav guys that fights cav and infantry head on at all. Used to call me a cheater when I killed him though :lol:

But yeah, cav wasn't really nerfed, it was just removed mostly. It's still strong, but requires builds that devs didn't let us respec to. I haven't played 1H cav since the patch broke my lvl34 char and I can't trade my large warhorse to a barded one, so I'm playing 2H/Pole mostly now. The only real difference for cav since the failpatch is that horse archers can take them down easier, while riding on a horse that can't be shot down by almost any ranged. Anyone with more than one brain cell would have known this was a problem, but apparently NA balancers don't know or care about the HA/archer problem we have on EU.

Grellenort abuses heavy armor and a great lance. Also he's mediocre at best as a shielder, though it might be the ping that causes him trouble. He can top the scoreboards for two reasons, Great Lance is lame and OP and the average awareness of a crpg player is non-existant.

it was once !  or twice !  :mrgreen:

i can finish my alt's retire (1.7 mln is needed) and sell u a loom for 50k for example.
but u have to ask me nice enough coz 1) i hate to play alts 2) i really want to reach 35 lvl on my main(30,9 mln)

and stop bablin about heavy armour and stuff. anyone can get it.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Sniger on July 15, 2014, 11:00:07 am
tendency to disrespect shielders

why you little....!
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Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: STR_aD_Sargon_eqv on July 15, 2014, 11:04:04 am
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u really have to try to play as 1h cav.

the main all of urs problem is u lookin at me and think it's so easy and bla bla bla. but ask urself have u ever saw at least 5 horsemans as good as me? i'm just cool enough and deal with that. i spent 1000000 words to explain why. turn on the brains and be smart.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: STR_aD_Sargon_eqv on July 15, 2014, 11:13:19 am
I got a level 32 1h cav alt and it's the most easymode class in this mod. You literally need no skill to play it.
And you are even proud of it and brag about how good you are. Ridiculous and pathetic.

ok. wanna cavduel with me? =)
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: STR_aD_Sargon_eqv on July 15, 2014, 11:21:00 am
If we duel with 1h weapons on horseback and charge head on on heavy horses chances are just 50/50 because it's almost pure luck.

But sure, we can do if you want. But if, we also need to duel on foot, because thats were you need at least some skill to win a fight.

that's what i told about...
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: the real god emperor on July 15, 2014, 11:23:27 am
The reason half of the community isn't playing 1h cav Sargon, because it is a kill machine even if you re the biggest retard ever it takes no skill (except Royans as stated before, he can play pikeman or crossbowman good too)

Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: darmaster on July 15, 2014, 11:33:24 am
le memasss
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Sniger on July 15, 2014, 11:41:39 am
Check out Royanss (best cav EU) if you think you are awesome 1h cav, I agree Kratos. But roy isnt heavy cav, eventho that arab horse is pretty bruteish, i shot-gunned an arab horse right in face with 6 PD rus bow bodkins yesterday. The arab horse was full speed charging. It didnt die. So perhaps arab horse should be considered heavy cav after all  :lol:

Nerf cav and Roy will still get nice score. Not so sure about the rest  :lol: Thats the difference.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: ecorcheur_brokar on July 15, 2014, 12:03:48 pm
the average awareness of a crpg player is non-existant.

We have there everything that needs to be said about cav. If just people would pay some attention to their back (at least on the second round when you spawn and you know that there's shit tons of cav), cav would do no kills.

And of course 1h cav, don't charge from the front, their reach is smaller due to the heights, they would have 90% chances getting killed.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: BlueKnight on July 15, 2014, 12:06:18 pm
Sorry but this thread is 'a little' pathetic...
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: STR_aD_Sargon_eqv on July 15, 2014, 12:18:57 pm
Sorry but this thread is 'a little' pathetic...

at the start this thread was a joke. just some trolling. but some lames shows what a badass they are... and started to QQ.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Panos_ on July 15, 2014, 12:30:49 pm
at the start this thread was a joke. just some trolling. but some lames shows what a badass they are... and started to QQ.


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Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Rico on July 15, 2014, 12:36:11 pm
The reason half of the community isn't playing 1h cav Sargon, because it is a kill machine even if you re the biggest retard ever it takes no skill (except Royans as stated before, he can play pikeman or crossbowman good too) KUYAK BARBARIAN WITH WARMASK AND TWOHAND OR POLEARM SO UNIQUE SO AWESOME
ftfy
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: STR_aD_Sargon_eqv on July 15, 2014, 12:38:07 pm
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Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Riddaren on July 15, 2014, 12:45:58 pm
To begin with, any class and/or build can be called both easy and hard.
It's easy to forget all pros and cons of a build/class if you are biased/hateful (or a just bad player).

However, in general an agile build as well as an agile horse is easier to play with as you can both attack and dodge attacks more easily.
It only gets worse than a strength build and an armoured horse when there is so much ranged players around it's impossible to keep track of all projectiles flying around.

Much hp and armor (and more armored horse) is first of all protection against projectiles, not melee.

The arabian warhorse is superior to all other horses with no ranged around.
But it's shit if only ONE good HA/HX or foot archer constantly focuses it.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: STR_aD_Sargon_eqv on July 15, 2014, 12:53:43 pm
To begin with, any class and/or build can be called both easy and hard.
It's easy to forget all pros and cons of a build/class if you are biased/hateful (or a just bad player).

However, in general an agile build as well as an agile horse is easier to play with as you can both attack and dodge attacks more easily.
It only gets worse than a strength build and an armoured horse when there is so much ranged players around it's impossible to keep track of all projectiles flying around.

Much hp and armor (and more armored horse) is first of all protection against projectiles, not melee.

The arabian warhorse is superior to all other horses with no ranged around.
But it's shit if only ONE good HA/HX or foot archer constantly focuses it.

the voice of reason
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Tibe on July 15, 2014, 01:00:09 pm
Crpg: Everything you like is bad!
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Rico on July 15, 2014, 01:21:28 pm
The arabian warhorse is superior to all other horses with no ranged around.
But it's shit if only ONE good HA/HX or foot archer constantly focuses it.
After reading this, I browsed the guides section and realized that there is no guide that covers horse choice and projectile interaction. Would any of you experienced cav players mind to make a list of the horses with commentaries about how easily they die to arrows, bolts and throwing weapons? This way, cavalry players would learn which horses to pick when there is a lot/little ranged, and ranged players would know when it is viable to kill a horse with projectiles, and when they should focus on an easier target. Of course, you can learn all these things by experience, but reading a guide speeds up the process.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Nightmare798 on July 15, 2014, 01:24:07 pm
OP can eat a sausage without chewing it.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Macropus on July 15, 2014, 01:28:14 pm
Would any of you experienced cav players mind to make a list of the horses with commentaries about how easily they die to arrows, bolts and throwing weapons?
Why not just look at horses' armour and hp stats for that?
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: STR_aD_Sargon_eqv on July 15, 2014, 01:46:23 pm
After reading this, I browsed the guides section and realized that there is no guide that covers horse choice and projectile interaction. Would any of you experienced cav players mind to make a list of the horses with commentaries about how easily they die to arrows, bolts and throwing weapons? This way, cavalry players would learn which horses to pick when there is a lot/little ranged, and ranged players would know when it is viable to kill a horse with projectiles, and when they should focus on an easier target. Of course, you can learn all these things by experience, but reading a guide speeds up the process.

well... i can say that my +3 destrier dyin with 1.5 throwing lances, 2 throwin axes, 2 arrows, 4 HA's arrows, 2 bolts.

and 2 2h\pole swings.

about guide - Of course, you can live whole life from the born till the oldness, but skippin 4\5 of ur life will speed up the process.  :D
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: //saxon on July 15, 2014, 02:02:43 pm
Decreased damage.

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that cannot be right then, its all wrong or something has gone wrong because them bump slashes are doing the most damage to me atm, forget headshots from arbalests because i can survive them, forget being ganked by 5+ players because i can survive for quite along time compared with the damage they are doing, forget couch lance because they do no damage either. Bump slash 1hits me most of the time like 100% gone just like that, i see the horse coming at me. i ready an attack hit the horse square in the head or legs and then get bumped not being able to do anything while bumped then slashed at the same time and the damage it does and you can't do anything about it just pisses me right off.

its just the fact that you are helpless unless you have some sort of big spear, if not and the horse has enough health you are basically dead if they decide to bump slash you, that is one thing in the whole game which is 100% broken and has no reason to be in the game.

PS: if anyone thinks rolling when bumped is the counter to bump slash you are wrong because you get slashed in the early stages of the bump animation. you can only roll when timed right after the early stages of being bumped.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: NejStark on July 15, 2014, 02:08:51 pm
good at backstabbing, useless as a standing tree while dismounted.

You`d be a good GK.

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Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: BarBeQ on July 15, 2014, 02:11:12 pm
Wow shame on all yer horse-haters, we got a fucking ranged virus in EU and you guys are complaining about cav? Changed to cav yesterday i will gladly bumpslash.
Also stop fanboying Royanss he is by far not the best cav Eu not even close, only his clanmates claim that.(every cav lvl 35 and full mw is )
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Macropus on July 15, 2014, 02:12:40 pm
its just the fact that you are helpless unless you have some sort of big spear, if not and the horse has enough health you are basically dead if they decide to bump slash you, that is one thing in the whole game which is 100% broken and has no reason to be in the game.
If you are aware of the incoming cav - you can easily avoid being bumpslashed, if you are not - it wouldn't matter if it will be a bumpslash or just a slash.
I can't believe you have a problem with  that as a twohander with stabby weapon.
Also stop fanboying Royanss he is by far not the best cav Eu not even close, only his clanmates claim that.
U w0t m8
Name at least a single 1h cav that is better than Royanss (I like where this thread is going...).
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Herezy92 on July 15, 2014, 02:22:52 pm
Also stop fanboying Royanss he is by far not the best cav Eu not even close, only his clanmates claim that.

Hmm, who is it then ? :)
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Tibe on July 15, 2014, 02:35:57 pm
well... i can say that my +3 destrier dyin with 1.5 throwing lances, 2 throwin axes, 2 arrows, 4 HA's arrows, 2 bolts.
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Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Molly on July 15, 2014, 02:37:15 pm
1h cav clearly is Royans. Dunno about couch-cav, they are gay anyway, and neither about lance-cav...
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: STR_aD_Sargon_eqv on July 15, 2014, 02:40:39 pm
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forget headshots from arbalests because i can survive them
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forget being ganked by 5+ players because i can survive
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forget couch lance because they do no damage either
so this is ok. this is really fair. and ur class isnt OP.

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Bump slash 1hits me most of the time.
but this isnt't fair.

that's the problem the all of you. everyone here want to be like fckin terminator. invincible. fast as the horse. stronk like Bonk etc etc.
that's why u qqin. but u have no rights to qq here.

the main problem is

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Bump slash 1hits me most of the time.
this is FAIR.

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forget headshots from arbalests because i can survive them
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forget being ganked by 5+ players because i can survive
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forget couch lance because they do no damage either
and that IS'T FAIR

but u belive in inverse

feel the difference... damn who turned the world upside down =(
and all of u thinks that u re right and dont want hear any fact approves the truth.
just like the situation with ukrain lel
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Son Of Odin on July 15, 2014, 02:41:23 pm
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Yeah it might not be working correctly but bump slashing/lancing is supposed to have lower damage output than normal attacks. Also there's a difference between some 1h cav charging you with a heavy horse compared to me with light horse and a heavy lance. Not to mention there's bigger margin of error to bump slashing in high speeds compared to bump lancing (in my opinion) so you get the bump damage and still quite some good damage from the 1h weapon + speed bonus.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Rico on July 15, 2014, 02:44:12 pm
Why not just look at horses' armour and hp stats for that?
For infantry, the difference between 40 and 55 body armor is immense. When it's 0 or 15 (same interval size), you still don't survive more, for example. You can not interpret stats with a linear relation, which limits their overall expressiveness. A guide reflecting the actual practice would become more handy.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: BlueKnight on July 15, 2014, 03:43:10 pm
If you are aware of the incoming cav - you can easily avoid being bumpslashed, if you are not - it wouldn't matter if it will be a bumpslash or just a slash.
I can't believe you have a problem with  that as a twohander with stabby weapon.

Saxon plays 1st person view, u damn kangaroo.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Gurnisson on July 15, 2014, 04:46:56 pm
Wow shame on all yer horse-haters, we got a fucking ranged virus in EU and you guys are complaining about cav? Changed to cav yesterday i will gladly bumpslash.
Also stop fanboying Royanss he is by far not the best cav Eu not even close, only his clanmates claim that.(every cav lvl 35 and full mw is )

He is the best 1h cav at least though. Only one I acknowledged to be better than me at it on EU servers
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on July 15, 2014, 04:55:13 pm
Hi I am the only 1h cav player in NA. If you EU guys can't figure out how to counter my class I have two simple words for you:

Stabs
Footwork
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Tibe on July 15, 2014, 06:07:47 pm
He is kinda right you know. Pretend like you are busy with his teammate or something and when he thinks he's gonna suckerslash you and rides towards you, stab him in his ugly face. This only complies if you arent using a butterknife, got descent ath, arent getting ganked by more than 1 dude and arent facing stupid overarmored cavshitlords like Grellenort and Mircea.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Mr.K. on July 15, 2014, 07:24:00 pm
it was once !  or twice !  :mrgreen:

i can finish my alt's retire (1.7 mln is needed) and sell u a loom for 50k for example.
but u have to ask me nice enough coz 1) i hate to play alts 2) i really want to reach 35 lvl on my main(30,9 mln)

and stop bablin about heavy armour and stuff. anyone can get it.

I want to publicly state that Sargon is the second best 1H cav I've dueled on EU1.
The best is Royanss of course. Now gib loom!

Oh, and the fact that everyone can get heavy armor doesn't make it any less OP on horseback :wink:
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: ecorcheur_brokar on July 15, 2014, 09:56:18 pm
forget being ganked by 5+ players because i can survive for quite along time compared with the damage they are doing,
(...)
forget couch lance because they do no damage either. (...) Bump slash 1hits me most of the time like 100% gone just like that

I don't know for the ganking but the couched is absolutely not true. I have 28 str and still get killed with every single couched lance.

Still I wish what you said would be true Saxon. Because slash-bump at least require some skills compared with couched lance where the cav takes absolutley no risk by standing 10 meters behind his fucking gigantic lance.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: //saxon on July 16, 2014, 12:51:26 am
so this is ok. this is really fair. and ur class isnt OP.
well its not my class that's allowing me to survive all that shit, its my build and high level. i have max ironflesh and good armor because i don't want to spend my entire game session watching people run around the map in spectate while i eat popcorn and cheering.  :wink:

i want to survive for as long as i can so i can play for longer.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: STR_aD_Sargon_eqv on July 16, 2014, 08:16:09 am
well its not my class that's allowing me to survive all that shit, its my build and high level. i have max ironflesh and good armor because i don't want to spend my entire game session watching people run around the map in spectate while i eat popcorn and cheering.  :wink:

i want to survive for as long as i can so i can play for longer.

I can use ur words aswell. I also have 7 if and 7 ps(8 before the patch). for sure I will hit strong enough, especially on the horseback. why whould u complain about 1h cav then? 2h/pole ain't less op.

all of u did some agi shitty builds and then complains that STR builds one-shot u. great logic. nobody make u do that. get some STR and u won't be one-shoted. until that stop QQ lel
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: BlueKnight on July 16, 2014, 08:50:39 am
well its not my class that's allowing me to survive all that shit, its my build and high level. i have max ironflesh and good armor because i don't want to spend my entire game session watching people run around the map in spectate while i eat popcorn and cheering.  :wink:

i want to survive for as long as i can so i can play for longer.

Just wanted to point out that Saxon is pretty glorious as 1h cav. It was a short episode in his crpg history yet he was outstanding. Great positioning, great timing and great if dismounted.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Strudog on July 16, 2014, 10:20:23 am
I can use ur words aswell. I also have 7 if and 7 ps(8 before the patch). for sure I will hit strong enough, especially on the horseback. why whould u complain about 1h cav then? 2h/pole ain't less op.

all of u did some agi shitty builds and then complains that STR builds one-shot u. great logic. nobody make u do that. get some STR and u won't be one-shoted. until that stop QQ lel

7 PS is not needed on horseback, you can 1 hit with 5
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: STR_aD_Sargon_eqv on July 16, 2014, 10:59:08 am
7 PS is not needed on horseback, you can 1 hit with 5

funny, but sometimes I can't one-shot archers with bumpslah... so that is  completely untruth.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Nordwolf on July 16, 2014, 11:41:44 am
funny, but sometimes I can't one-shot archers with bumpslah... so that is  completely untruth.
When I move slow I can't onehit anyone, when I move fast I can't onehit only tin cans. Also you don't need bumpslash for archers.
Btw Imo lancecav isn't less op then 1h cav it's just underused atm.

PS: 6 PS.
PPS: Also wanted to say that the "nerf" didn't affect 7 riding builds at all. I still use my Arab and War Horse.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
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Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Joseph Porta on July 16, 2014, 12:07:48 pm

hahahahahahhahahahahaahahahhaahahahahahahahahahaaahahahahahhahahhahaha.

1h cav is the 1 hitting wonder build that takes little to no skill to use, want to play a difficult class on horse> try LHB on horse thats how 1h/2h cab should be, not insta swing, bumpslashing, 1 hit killing machine.

the reason why i left royanns out of this is because he at least does not use  a heavy horse unlike you and grellernort, your both armour and 1h cav crutching, remove your heavy horse and you both suck.

LHB is just a bad horseback weapon, though its pretty good vs low armour.

Bufff LHBonHB2k14
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Glyph on July 16, 2014, 12:17:47 pm
well its not my class that's allowing me to survive all that shit, its my build and high level.
In a way it is your class that let's you have that incredibly high amount of both IF and armor, a 2hander doesn't need to invest in that many different skills, so the skills you do invest in can, in general, be at the top level of what your AGI and STR allow you to have them at. For example, a 2hander doesn't need to invest in something equivalent to PD, PT or riding to be able to play as that class. Of course that is the way that class is designed to be and in that aspect, has an advantage.
Though you are right, your high level and gen makes your class OP lol
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: the real god emperor on July 16, 2014, 12:51:44 pm
well 5 ath is standard for a level 30 ground shielder which should make you far more op than you curreny are but the fact is you re weak as a peasant on the ground :D

apart from that lets take a look at pros and cons of the hardest class ever;

pros:
more damage than decent two handera or polearmers with the apeed bonus
bumpslash , which is not counterable, high damaging and unstoppable ( none of the classes apart from 1h cav has such a move)
a shield which prtects you from projectiles and some unlucky melee hits
horse bump damage (which is an important factor)
horse bumps instant knockdown or at least disturb the attack
cavalry swords are actually the best ones on ground aswell
your weapon and shield are 1 slot which lets you get 1 sidearm atleast
you can get heavy armor because u re on hb so you dont get effectrd on speed
you re mobile, you can scout and/or retreat easily
cons:
enormous amount of repairs (which is not a problen for dedicated cavs. you get valour every round and linger around with x5 for hours )

why do you keep insisting you re playing hard mode?

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Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: //saxon on July 16, 2014, 12:52:34 pm
Just wanted to point out that Saxon is pretty glorious as 1h cav. It was a short episode in his crpg history yet he was outstanding. Great positioning, great timing and great if dismounted.
the thing is Sargon was still cav when i tried cav, and i do remember us complementing each other at the time  :lol:
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: STR_aD_Sargon_eqv on July 16, 2014, 01:14:55 pm
the thing is Sargon was still cav when i tried cav, and i do remember us complementing each other at the time  :lol:
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Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Gurnisson on July 16, 2014, 01:16:29 pm
bumpslash , which is not counterable, high damaging and unstoppable ( none of the classes apart from 1h cav has such a move)

Not counterable and unstoppable? :lol:

Play the class and learn the weakness of it and you'll counter it just fine. I very rarely die to 1h cav as infantry, and when I do it's usually because I didn't pay attention. A bumpslash is quite easy to avoid if you know what you're doing. If you've played 1h cav yourself and haven't learned to counter it on foot yourself, then it's a l2p issue.

cavalry swords are actually the best ones on ground aswell

Disagree. They're not as bad as some guys makes them out to be, but there are better 1h weapons out there. I wouldn't take a ACS as my sword if I was playing shielder without riding skill. The Messers, Niuweidao, Italian Sword, Scimitars are better swords imo.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: STR_aD_Sargon_eqv on July 16, 2014, 01:19:37 pm
well 5 ath is standard for a level 30 ground shielder which should make you far more op than you curreny are but the fact is you re weak as a peasant on the ground :D

apart from that lets take a look at pros and cons of the hardest class ever;

pros:
more damage than decent two handera or polearmers with the apeed bonus
bumpslash , which is not counterable, high damaging and unstoppable ( none of the classes apart from 1h cav has such a move)
a shield which prtects you from projectiles and some unlucky melee hits
horse bump damage (which is an important factor)
horse bumps instant knockdown or at least disturb the attack
cavalry swords are actually the best ones on ground aswell
your weapon and shield are 1 slot which lets you get 1 sidearm atleast
you can get heavy armor because u re on hb so you dont get effectrd on speed
you re mobile, you can scout and/or retreat easily
cons:
enormous amount of repairs (which is not a problen for dedicated cavs. you get valour every round and linger around with x5 for hours )

why do you keep insisting you re playing hard mode?

sorry for shitty mobile written post :D

oh Kratos it's all an entire fabrication... poor proves i can say 100000 same poor proves against any calss. from horsexbowmans to 2h.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Joseph Porta on July 16, 2014, 01:22:11 pm
When I move slow I can't onehit anyone, when I move fast I can't onehit only tin cans. Also you don't need bumpslash for archers.
Btw Imo lancecav isn't less op then 1h cav it's just underused atm.

PS: 6 PS.
PPS: Also wanted to say that the "nerf" didn't affect 7 riding builds at all. I still use my Arab and War Horse.

With the increased riding req arabian also got nerfed with 1 speed ess, though it did gain some more armor.

Unloomed cav players always get fucked  :(
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: the real god emperor on July 16, 2014, 01:27:30 pm
Not counterable and unstoppable? :lol:

Play the class and learn the weakness of it and you'll counter it just fine. I very rarely die to 1h cav as infantry, and when I do it's usually because I didn't pay attention. A bumpslash is quite easy to avoid if you know what you're doing. If you've played 1h cav yourself and haven't learned to counter it on foot yourself, then it's a l2p issue.

Disagree. They're not as bad as some guys makes them out to be, but there are better 1h weapons out there. I wouldn't take a ACS as my sword if I was playing shielder without riding skill. The Messers, Niuweidao, Italian Sword, Scimitars are better swords imo.

well, the main idea of 1h cav is killing the ones who arent paying attention anyway.i can ofc jump away and slash cavs when they ride towards me , but you cant do such a thing when fighting with others aka unaware.

yes ofc there are better 1h swords out there but you wont face any consequences when you get unhorsed with an acs in your hands.also i cant think of any better 1v1 weapon than the acs.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: the real god emperor on July 16, 2014, 01:29:53 pm
oh Kratos it's all an entire fabrication... poor proves i can say 100000 same poor proves against any calss. from horsexbowmans to 2h.

please try doing it :D but make it bullshit free please ; dont add pros like 1 hitting from butt for archers ;)
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Perverz on July 16, 2014, 02:32:26 pm


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not bad... i started playing 1hcav...1st gen....  i hope i can reach your score....

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Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: STR_aD_Sargon_eqv on July 16, 2014, 02:33:57 pm
u can coz u re good.

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Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Osakasa on July 16, 2014, 05:19:57 pm
No_skill_just_ACS
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: tortoul on July 16, 2014, 09:46:09 pm
just get a spear and look around.

"oh, mama that OP 1h cav guy raped my ass! nerf him!" - what does that mean? that means you deserve being fucked because you suck

no one can ever make you suck, if you suck then sucker you are and 1h cav shouldn't be blamed for that.

1h cav is nerfed and suckers think they got rid of that huge heavy horse dick in their holes, but they are wrong. they just relieved some space for anothe dick.

i mean, dont be pussies crying about a class that has been played for years and haven't affected the pleasure of the game. just dont suck
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Macropus on July 16, 2014, 11:25:54 pm
not bad... i started playing 1hcav...1st gen....  i hope i can reach your score....

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With all the amount of new players around, showing off your scores as a cav is irrelevant.
You can get shotloads of kills by slashing peasants without even affecting the battle outcome.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: BlueKnight on July 17, 2014, 12:45:33 am
not bad... i started playing 1hcav...1st gen....  i hope i can reach your score....

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Only 213 points with 36 kills? It's less than 6 points per kill... Was each hit a kill?

With all the amount of new players around, showing off your scores as a cav is irrelevant.
You can get shotloads of kills by slashing peasants without even affecting the battle outcome.

This ^, however 36 kills is still great even if there is mostly noobs. Not every enemy is a newcomer after all.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: LordRichrich on July 17, 2014, 02:11:06 am
Eh, bumpslash is bullshit.

But recently I've been enjoying shooting Sargon (remember when you tried to mount that horse adn I shot you mid-mount animation in the face? ^^ )


Even more enjoyable is rocking up with my longsword and warhorse and using the slight extra reach I have on him and the stab to dehorse or kill Sargon, those are fun times!

Honestly, Sargons fine. Bumpslashes are BS but that's not Sargons fault. Leave him alone!
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Perverz on July 17, 2014, 11:20:59 am
With all the amount of new players around, showing off your scores as a cav is irrelevant.
You can get shotloads of kills by slashing peasants without even affecting the battle outcome.
i never said im good as 1hcav...this is actually my first gen, and its hard for me to change play style everyday from lancer to 1h
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: STR_aD_Sargon_eqv on July 17, 2014, 03:13:33 pm
i never said im good as 1hcav...this is actually my first gen, and its hard for me to change play style everyday from lancer to 1h
leave barabes, delete ur gaylancer char, keep playing 1h cav and join Byz!

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Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Ncromancien on July 17, 2014, 03:16:06 pm
leave barabes, delete ur gaylancer char, keep playing 1h cav and join Byz!

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You can't steal Perverz from us ! :(

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Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Shemaforash on July 19, 2014, 06:29:25 am
Not counterable and unstoppable? :lol:

Play the class and learn the weakness of it and you'll counter it just fine. I very rarely die to 1h cav as infantry, and when I do it's usually because I didn't pay attention. A bumpslash is quite easy to avoid if you know what you're doing. If you've played 1h cav yourself and haven't learned to counter it on foot yourself, then it's a l2p issue.

Disagree. They're not as bad as some guys makes them out to be, but there are better 1h weapons out there. I wouldn't take a ACS as my sword if I was playing shielder without riding skill. The Messers, Niuweidao, Italian Sword, Scimitars are better swords imo.

Considering how lame horses are in cRPG, if you're getting owned by 1h cavalry then the fault is on your hands and it's as Gurni is saying a l2p issue.
Lancer cavalry is pretty awful too because it's very predictable and easy to dodge, it's like a racecar, fast but with arbitrarily limiting movement that doesn't allow it to turn properly which means it's an easy kill. 1h cavalry are better in cRPG because they are the only ones who can properly fight versus other cavalry while lancer cavalry are just useless, that's the main reason you see a big amount of cavalry using 1h.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Panos_ on July 20, 2014, 10:07:56 am
Play the class and learn the weakness of it and you'll counter it just fine. I very rarely die to 1h cav as infantry, and when I do it's usually because I didn't pay attention. A bumpslash is quite easy to avoid if you know what you're doing. If you've played 1h cav yourself and haven't learned to counter it on foot yourself, then it's a l2p issue.


Even though I agree with you that cavalry is easy to counter, this arguement is bad.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Perverz on July 20, 2014, 11:31:02 am
leave barabes, delete ur gaylancer char, keep playing 1h cav and join Byz!

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i have better solution....
you dont need to delete your cav char just join barabe..... ;)
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Teeth on July 20, 2014, 11:52:27 am
Not counterable and unstoppable? :lol:

Play the class and learn the weakness of it and you'll counter it just fine. I very rarely die to 1h cav as infantry, and when I do it's usually because I didn't pay attention. A bumpslash is quite easy to avoid if you know what you're doing. If you've played 1h cav yourself and haven't learned to counter it on foot yourself, then it's a l2p issue.
I have played slasher cav and I literally learned nothing about countering it as a footman, because the one thing I learned when playing slasher cav is to only attack people that are unable to respond to you. You can keep putting slasher cav in some imaginary meta where they charge people 1 vs 1 and suck, but that has nothing to do with reality. In a battle round there are dozens of opportunities where you can attack someone, even the best players, who cannot react to you without taking a hit from someone else. These are fairly safe scenario's where slasher cav is the best class in the game at bagging that kill due to ridiculous damage output and a super easy block ignore ability.

The dumb thing about slasher cav is that if you follow one simple rule 'only attack people that are already engaged in melee', pretty much anyone can attain a k/d of 2+. If you then also wear heavy armour and get a sturdy horse, anyone can approach a k/d of 3 with ease. Don't forget that the server wide average is a k/d of 1. I am fairly sure that if you'd look at class averages slasher cav would be the highest. Low skill - high reward class.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Grumbs on July 20, 2014, 12:56:51 pm
They could simply buff the damage on long spear and pike so we have a true cav counter (or 2d poles). ATM I prefer most other weapons to attack cav, even a Long Bardiche will outrange most cav if I spin and stab. With the bardiche I can then dehorse him in a hit or 2 and then get at least one hit in before he gets up.

Maybe if we get higher str reqs for heavier armour we will have more balance? Part of the balance issue is that guys play two distict roles during the round - they racecar around doing great damage, then they stand up and play melee with decent armour
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Shemaforash on July 20, 2014, 06:04:11 pm
They could simply buff the damage on long spear and pike so we have a true cav counter (or 2d poles). ATM I prefer most other weapons to attack cav, even a Long Bardiche will outrange most cav if I spin and stab. With the bardiche I can then dehorse him in a hit or 2 and then get at least one hit in before he gets up.

Any stabs basically dismounts lighter cavalry and heavier horses have barely any hp left afaik

@Teeth

Your awareness doesn't mean that the class is OP.

Even though I agree with you that cavalry is easy to counter, this arguement is bad.

Best argument because it's the easiest way to learn what kills each class, experience beats all
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Teeth on July 20, 2014, 07:48:02 pm
@Teeth

Someone's lack of awareness doesn't mean that the class is OP.
I disagree, you need to balance with realistic levels of awareness in mind. Cav has been getting kills due to poor awareness for 4 years now, you cannot wait for that to get better and allow cav to wreck as awareness has been fairly static for ages now. Besides, good awareness hasn't stopped 1h cav from killing good players all the time when they are engaged in difficult fights with easy bumpslashing and crazy high alpha damage.

Any stabs basically dismounts lighter cavalry and heavier horses have barely any hp left afaik
A pike can rarely kill a cataphract horse and up in one pass. Full speed stab on the front, 2-3 more stabs as it stands still and yet it rides away. That is if you manage to get the stabs off past the shield force field. Longspears and pikes are great for stopping horses, not for killing them due to low base damage values and horses usually standing close to you.

Best argument because it's the easiest way to learn what kills each class, experience beats all
Poor argument because you can't apply any of your knowledge about what counters slasher cav because they are in full control of when they engage.

Edited because of a misunderstanding.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Shemaforash on July 20, 2014, 08:06:01 pm
That half Swedish half German shitlord gene showing it's ugly head again?

You introduce your post with an insult towards me for no reason and I have no reason to continue reading your post, no need to be hostile.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Teeth on July 20, 2014, 08:24:10 pm
@Teeth

Your awareness doesn't mean that the class is OP.
Really, you are completely oblivious that you just disregarded my entire argument, which had completely nothing to do with my personal awareness skill, by ridiculing my ability? Now, that was uncalled-for hostility, to which my insult was a reaction.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Shemaforash on July 20, 2014, 08:28:43 pm
I think there's a misunderstanding because of my lack of proper grammar, I meant this actually:

Someones lack of awareness doesn't mean that the class is OP.

response: No harm done.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Teeth on July 20, 2014, 08:39:29 pm
Oh right, that makes a difference alright, no harm done then. Apologies for the insult.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Shemaforash on July 20, 2014, 09:06:03 pm
A pike can rarely kill a cataphract horse and up in one pass. Full speed stab on the front, 2-3 more stabs as it stands still and yet it rides away.

It's made to take damage and compensating with worthless maneuverability. Your preference of playstyle as a cavalry matters the most to whether or not you want to tank and bump or be a nuisance all round.

That is if you manage to get the stabs off past the shield force field.

If I recall correct from playing shielder, comparing playing shielder in native to cRPG is a big difference due to a big difference in the forcefield of the shield. The forcefield is basically a compensation for not being able to look down and up to block. The cRPG developers decided that blocking sideways is possible and decided to nerf it heavily because you can easily change where you're looking. I think the forcefield is a bit crazy on horses sometimes and agree but it's usually due to the cavalry blocking down and trying his best to block the hits incoming towards his horse. That's at least what I do and it tends to work out more often than not.

Longspears and pikes are great for stopping horses, not for killing them due to low base damage values and horses usually standing close to you.

Yes, and I agree, that's generally not the role of a piker in my opinion because they should focus on stopping the cavalry rather than killing them and focusing on switching targets.

Poor argument because you can't apply any of your knowledge about what counters slasher cav because they are in full control of when they engage.

But you'll learn what you can and can't do as a cavalry which makes you able to understand when and how a cavalry is out of position or targetable. It also is not really viable as an argument because if the infantry is out of position


TL;DR: I think cavalry is fine and it's counterable.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Gravoth_iii on July 20, 2014, 09:35:10 pm
If you want to play, and be aware of cav the entire round not putting you in any risk of dying to cav you can never enter a fight bigger than a 1v1.

You can argue that its all about the players awareness being poor that makes cav strong, but to me thats like saying a weapon isnt op because you only got hit because of poor blocking skills. There is no way anyone can be aware 100% of the time, and dropping that guard should not result in one shot death. Cav also decides where to fight, and if they are heavy cav they can make mistakes and often get away, while if the infantry messes up vs cav he pretty much dies or loses 90% health.

I think changing back the difficulty requirements on horses, giving them slightly better mobility stats but reducing health or reworking speed bonus for cav somehow would be fair, more risk for cav but let them have the high reward of oneshots etc.

Cav as is, seems to be the biggest deciding factor of battle. A group of 5 or so heavy cav can mess up an entire team so hard, its kinda silly.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Shemaforash on July 20, 2014, 09:47:58 pm
Cav as is, seems to be the biggest deciding factor of battle. A group of 5 or so heavy cav can mess up an entire team so hard, its kinda silly.

Most of the times on eu1 the deciding factor are a small group of experienced players (mostly infantry) wiping out squads with teamwork and skill. I think a lot of your arguments are valid but in my opinion the reason you feel picked on is that you're out of position compared to the rest of the group, leaving the group allows for an easy swipe and are always a clear target for cavalry. When I play cavalry I go for the most valuable targets in case it's necessary or I go for the most easy targets to pick off.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Grumbs on July 20, 2014, 09:54:07 pm
If you want to play, and be aware of cav the entire round not putting you in any risk of dying to cav you can never enter a fight bigger than a 1v1.

You can argue that its all about the players awareness being poor that makes cav strong, but to me thats like saying a weapon isnt op because you only got hit because of poor blocking skills. There is no way anyone can be aware 100% of the time, and dropping that guard should not result in one shot death. Cav also decides where to fight, and if they are heavy cav they can make mistakes and often get away, while if the infantry messes up vs cav he pretty much dies or loses 90% health.

I think changing back the difficulty requirements on horses, giving them slightly better mobility stats but reducing health or reworking speed bonus for cav somehow would be fair, more risk for cav but let them have the high reward of oneshots etc.

Cav as is, seems to be the biggest deciding factor of battle. A group of 5 or so heavy cav can mess up an entire team so hard, its kinda silly.

Mostly agree with your points, but I don't think the solution is necessarily to revert the changes that were made. Having to put 7-8 points into cav means you have fewer points to put elsewhere and it means you have less str, which reduces your damage and footmelee potential (well theoretically..without much equipment reqs it doesn't really change so much if you have more agi/WPF). At least you potentially have less IF or PS, but I suppose AGI/WM is better or equal to PS/IF. Buff STR?
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: STR_aD_Sargon_eqv on July 21, 2014, 10:18:12 am
silly and poor "proves".

cav makes someone's 1vs1 fight as harder as any other archer\inf...
2 vs 1 is fatally for enyone if ur enemies are good enough. dont blame cav ffs
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: STR_aD_Sargon_eqv on July 21, 2014, 10:22:18 am
dose, who mad at cav are agi heroes, who dont pay attention on the battlefield. u have only urself to blame here.
cav aint harder than any other class.
stop cryin finally.

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Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Herezy92 on July 21, 2014, 10:24:01 am
2 vs 1 is fatally for enyone if ur enemies are good enough. dont blame cav ffs
The 2v1 can be easier for some fighters.
Switching targets & attacking the other one by surprise works great.

But it's a different thing, when you fight an hoplite / piker + another melee. :D
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: STR_aD_Sargon_eqv on July 21, 2014, 11:19:50 am
But it's a different thing, when you fight an hoplite / piker + another melee. :D

... or archer.
but, still, it isn't enemies problems  :lol:
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Molly on July 21, 2014, 11:26:57 am
Wow. This thread is still going? :lol:
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Trikipum on July 23, 2014, 02:27:45 am
At least Royanss has the balls to attack enemies from the front, even if he plays with a weak horse (compared to heavy armoured ones)
Man, royans is the master of picking peasants from behind and exploting the shit of the turn rate/lag of his horse, which makes his sword hit from funny distances (this is an issue with horses and any weapon, but the fact his horse can turn so fast just makes it worse). He is good, but dont say crap
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Trikipum on July 23, 2014, 02:32:57 am
BTW, you all playing cavalry with shield arent any "best cav" player ... what a bunch of lamers. Exploit the shit of the shield on horse back and you call yourselves "best 1h on horseback?". Try it without shield if you want any respect. What a bunch of goat fuckers ....
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Sniger on July 23, 2014, 02:35:55 am
cav with no shield? is screaming EPEEEEEEEN.

have you been EU_1 lately? you know... arrows and stuff?

this is a game where you need to survive as well as kill the enemy, not a show where you are suppose to look awesome and cool (i think)
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Shemaforash on July 23, 2014, 03:21:54 am
BTW, you all playing cavalry with shield arent any "best cav" player ... what a bunch of lamers. Exploit the shit of the shield on horse back and you call yourselves "best 1h on horseback?". Try it without shield if you want any respect. What a bunch of goat fuckers ....

Playing cavalry WITHOUT shield is frankly quite a bad idea
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: STR_aD_Sargon_eqv on July 23, 2014, 11:30:40 am
BTW, you all playing cavalry with shield arent any "best cav" player ... what a bunch of lamers. Exploit the shit of the shield on horse back and you call yourselves "best 1h on horseback?". Try it without shield if you want any respect. What a bunch of goat fuckers ....

Playing cavalry with shield is frankly quite a bad idea

well... i were playin 1h with no shield 2 gens about year ago, i did it quite nice and it didn't affected on my k\d. when the new strat round was started i refused to play without coz it's clearly suiside. but yes, it was really great.

unfortunately, nowadays it's absolutely impossible coz loads of my old friendchers makes it unplayable.
also i'm not some fuckin rat to kill some lostsouls and i am tryin to be in epicenter, and since my horse so lame i need a shield to protect myself from 11787469834739847394034377 agi whores who tryin to kill me when i got dismounted. shiled is givin me more chances to survive.

in real life u won't survive a 3 min without a shield, so why whould i play without here?
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Teeth on July 23, 2014, 12:00:06 pm
Playing cavalry with shield is frankly quite a bad idea
Why? Shields seem very useful to me.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Herezy92 on July 23, 2014, 12:01:37 pm
Why? Shields seem very useful to me.
Yeah, more than being protected against couch & archers, sometime when i stab with my poleaxe into the horse its the shield which take the damages and the horse DO NOT STOP  :evil:
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Shemaforash on July 23, 2014, 12:22:28 pm
Why? Shields seem very useful to me.

i must've been braindead writing that post but i clearly meant WITHOUT shield, probably phone editing
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Trikipum on July 23, 2014, 12:41:12 pm
bla bla bla bla.. Goat screwers. Ive been playing cavalry without shield for over 3 years. (rarely use a shield on horseback, feels diferent). Never had a problem and i usually top the scores for the first 2 hours i play, then my performance goes down . Either way. The shield on horseback is lame. The fact it will block stabs and overheads from behind just desqualify you as Horse rider and makes you a goat fucker. YOU ARE NO MAN.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Trikipum on July 23, 2014, 12:43:02 pm
well... i were playin 1h with no shield 2 gens about year ago, i did it quite nice and it didn't affected on my k\d. when the new strat round was started i refused to play without coz it's clearly suiside. but yes, it was really great.

unfortunately, nowadays it's absolutely impossible coz loads of my old friendchers makes it unplayable.
also i'm not some fuckin rat to kill some lostsouls and i am tryin to be in epicenter, and since my horse so lame i need a shield to protect myself from 11787469834739847394034377 agi whores who tryin to kill me when i got dismounted. shiled is givin me more chances to survive.

in real life u won't survive a 3 min without a shield, so why whould i play without here?
I play cavalry constantly without shield and usually top the scores?. Coz its funny?. In real life a horse can turn like a horse and not like  a truck . Why would you play with one here?... etc etc...
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Trikipum on July 23, 2014, 12:43:33 pm
Playing cavalry WITHOUT shield is frankly quite a bad idea
Playing 1h without a shield is an excellent idea indeed.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Trikipum on July 23, 2014, 12:44:45 pm
cav with no shield? is screaming EPEEEEEEEN.

have you been EU_1 lately? you know... arrows and stuff?

this is a game where you need to survive as well as kill the enemy, not a show where you are suppose to look awesome and cool (i think)
I PLAY CAVALRY WITHOUT SHIELD FOR 90% of my time and I kill loads, thanks. And my epeeeeen never been a problem with this. OH, and i really though this was a game about having fun, right?.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Trikipum on July 23, 2014, 12:47:14 pm
Yeah, more than being protected against couch & archers, sometime when i stab with my poleaxe into the horse its the shield which take the damages and the horse DO NOT STOP  :evil:
This is the "exploit the shit of my shield on horseback and my spin ratio and call myself "best 1h of the world" thing i was talking about. Shields are just gay on horseback coz they even block hits coming from behind....
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Trikipum on July 23, 2014, 12:48:47 pm
Combo breaker!  :mrgreen:
Let me troll a bit coz this bunch of goat fuckers are funny and im bored at home!
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: STR_aD_Sargon_eqv on July 23, 2014, 12:59:42 pm
Sargon:


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P.S: This is just to bring fun in this thread again, no need for hate  :mrgreen:

got an nice answer for u  :mrgreen:
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Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: STR_aD_Sargon_eqv on July 23, 2014, 01:06:13 pm
Let me troll a bit coz this bunch of goat fuckers are funny and im bored at home!
i am a heavy cav(ex heavy, but i prefere heavy cav play style), helpin my teammates, manly chargin, riskin my life etc etc.

unlike u, gay stab espada abuser. with 10 riding skill with some shitty horse donkey-goat who sneaking the mapside till the round end.

feel the difference.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Molly on July 23, 2014, 04:22:25 pm
Triki, you do realize that you can quote several things in one post, right? :?
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: matt2507 on July 23, 2014, 06:44:04 pm
This is the "exploit the shit of my shield on horseback and my spin ratio and call myself "best 1h of the world" thing i was talking about. Shields are just gay on horseback coz they even block hits coming from behind....

And a guy can kill your horse by hitting 2 meters behind...
All the cavalry is fucked in this game, whether in attack or defense. Saying that one is more fucked than the other is stupid.

Btw, you make the same thing with your pary, exactly the same force field and shit...


i am a heavy cav(ex heavy, but i prefere heavy cav play style), helpin my teammates, manly chargin, riskin my life etc etc.

unlike u, gay stab espada abuser. with 10 riding skill with some shitty horse donkey-goat who sneaking the mapside till the round end.

feel the difference.

Unlike you, i'm helping my teammates to don't be spawnraped by heavy my old friend horse like your and  I risk more my life because I doesn't pay for an immortal horse...
Feel the differance  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Macropus on July 23, 2014, 06:53:05 pm
Btw, you make the same thing with your pary, exactly the same force field and shit...
This.

Trikipuma, the retard inside you becomes stronger and stronger, you must resist!
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: BlindGuy on July 23, 2014, 07:12:41 pm
And a guy can kill your horse by hitting 2 meters behind...

I've never noticed this either on my horse nor attacking anyone else's horse... I think your trippin.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: STR_aD_Sargon_eqv on July 23, 2014, 07:34:28 pm
Unlike you, i'm helping my teammates to don't be spawnraped by heavy my old friend horse like your and  I risk more my life because I doesn't pay for an immortal horse...
Feel the differance

stop eat the mushrooms
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: matt2507 on July 23, 2014, 07:35:01 pm
I've never noticed this either on my horse nor attacking anyone else's horse... I think your trippin.

It's mostly due to server/client syncronisation.
It happened a lot of time for me.

Like many other strange thing. That depend of the number of players and your connexion.
The game is not the same for all.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Blackbow on July 23, 2014, 07:51:04 pm
what i dont get is real dedicated cavs cant play the heavy easy mode horses now

but ha and hx still can play with them without even be a fucking dedicated cav

anyway cavs stop complain your class is easy mode

your shields can block from foot to horse head
we need 4 throwing lance to kill one heavy horse
we need 8 arrows to kill a destrier
you need one bumpslash to kill 80% of crpg builds
the arabian cavalry sword is broken as fuck , deal too much damage, have crazy ghost range longer than many 2h...

about the arabian sword when 90 % of ppl playing cav is using the same sword i think that proof than the mod is not balanced well
about cavalry swords... nerf arabian op easy mode sword !!!
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: STR_aD_Sargon_eqv on July 23, 2014, 08:13:39 pm
we need 8 arrows to kill a destrier
get some PD

you need one bumpslash to kill 80% of crpg builds
get some STR

the arabian cavalry sword is broken as fuck , deal too much damage, have crazy ghost range longer than many 2h...
only if horseman is good enough and 2h is bad as fuck coz agi 2h is the easiest way to kill horsemans

about the arabian sword when 90 % of ppl playing cav is using the same sword i think that proof than the mod is not balanced well
about cavalry swords... nerf arabian op easy mode sword !!!
bro that mod doesnt balanced at all.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Trikipum on July 24, 2014, 12:23:56 am
i am a heavy cav(ex heavy, but i prefere heavy cav play style), helpin my teammates, manly chargin, riskin my life etc etc.

unlike u, gay stab espada abuser. with 10 riding skill with some shitty horse donkey-goat who sneaking the mapside till the round end.

feel the difference.
I had just riding 6 until 1 month ago. Actually 7. And i rarely use the slavona, so i dont know what you talk about, i usually use a LAS and i kill all kind of peasants, goat fuckers etc etc. Btw, we must play diferent games or something coz i usually die trying stupid shit like charging guys with lances and stuff, many times in the first minute of the round, so i dont get why you believe i run around the border of the map.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Algarn on July 24, 2014, 09:57:06 am
get some STR

I didn't want to post anything in that thread because it's some kind of e peen / retarded screenshot thread, but I can't resist to say that you one hit me while I got 46 body armor and 27 str + 1 IF (64 hp). Also, even if I need less arrows with 9 PD to kill something, I never did kill a horse with less than 5 arrows (talking about destrier and arabian horse, both are incredibly powerful and abusable, just look at the fucking average player having a positive K/D just because using good loomed horses).

Keep up the shit posting, I'm enjoying it more than the game, full of 1h cavs, archers, and horse archers.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: BlindGuy on July 24, 2014, 11:42:05 am
I didn't want to post anything in that thread because it's some kind of e peen / retarded screenshot thread, but I can't resist to say that you one hit me while I got 46 body armor and 27 str + 1 IF (64 hp). Also, even if I need less arrows with 9 PD to kill something, I never did kill a horse with less than 5 arrows (talking about destrier and arabian horse, both are incredibly powerful and abusable, just look at the fucking average player having a positive K/D just because using good loomed horses).

Keep up the shit posting, I'm enjoying it more than the game, full of 1h cavs, archers, and horse archers.

While I gotta agree 1h cav is stupidly easy, you got some pure bullshity there about arabian horse: shit goes down in like 2 PD6 arrows, I think maybe you are shooting it wrong bro: shoot the legs or the face, never the flank or arse of the horse. Ideal shots on ANY horse is as they wheel around, try to land the shot as they face facing you: plenty of horseface to hit and legs present long target. But then, even with throwing (cause of how much lss accurate it is than archery) I am surprised if I ever miss a horse no matter what they try, from close range to 100 metres. Shooting horses is fucking easy and when I see teammates miss both horse and rider repeatly in makes me think they need to quit drinking.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: STR_aD_Sargon_eqv on July 24, 2014, 12:00:39 pm
I didn't want to post anything in that thread because it's some kind of e peen / retarded screenshot thread, but I can't resist to say that you one hit me while I got 46 body armor and 27 str + 1 IF (64 hp). Also, even if I need less arrows with 9 PD to kill something, I never did kill a horse with less than 5 arrows (talking about destrier and arabian horse, both are incredibly powerful and abusable, just look at the fucking average player having a positive K/D just because using good loomed horses).

Keep up the shit posting, I'm enjoying it more than the game, full of 1h cavs, archers, and horse archers.

1) dat thread was clearly trolling at beginnin, i didn't expect it will become a new battle what's more retarded and easy 2h or cav.

2) funny, but noone from 1h cav can't oneshot me (when i dismounted\playin without my horse)

3) put ur short toy bow in the garbage box and get some long bow like another archers and u will see that u said some bullshit
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: STR_aD_Sargon_eqv on July 24, 2014, 12:01:28 pm
Paullus tries all to make his playstile look like something that needs skill, which of course it doesn't.
I easily have the same (or better) scores like him when playing on my 1h cav alt, despite:

-'only' being level 32, whereas he is 35 ?!
 
- having no practise playing cavalry whatsoever, because I actually levelled that char up on DTV until level 31 before even really playing it, + playing it only like once a week for a few hours

-not using ACS, because it's gay


If I imagine being level 34 or 35 with that 1h cav char, + having the same practise with it like I have with polearms and 2h (so thousands of hours) and using the most abusable sword (ACS) on horseback, man, I would have a 150 + score one very single map, playing with only one hand and one eye closed.

ur epen is bigger, ok
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Molly on July 24, 2014, 01:20:39 pm
Don't forget that cavalry compared to infantry has the chance of a 2nd life.
When an infantry dude dies, he's dead.
When the horse dies, the rider still has a chance to play on.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Macropus on July 24, 2014, 05:05:36 pm
Don't forget that cavalry compared to infantry has the chance of a 2nd life.
When an infantry dude dies, he's dead.
When the horse dies, the rider still has a chance to play on.
Also don't forget that it's all wrong, horse cannot count as a second life since it's much easier to get killed and you can't block most of the hits aimed at your horse.
Saying this is like saying shielders have a chance of [infinite amount] lives, because when their shield breaks they can pick up another one, which of course doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Molly on July 24, 2014, 05:31:03 pm
Nonsense. Sure most people try to the rider directly and most of them fail.
And it happens often enough that the rider glitches around and survives even when dieing in an enemy mob.

It's as close you can get to a 2nd life in this game.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: STR_aD_Sargon_eqv on July 24, 2014, 09:00:09 pm
Nonsense. Sure most people try to the rider directly and most of them fail.
And it happens often enough that the rider glitches around and survives even when dieing in an enemy mob.

It's as close you can get to a 2nd life in this game.

the second life isn't need if u re some agi gay with 8 athl coz u can dodgin and run off from anything.

not argument.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Mendro on July 24, 2014, 10:02:39 pm
Saying get more str/PD it's stupid. With 10 PT I need 3 jarids to kill a horseman / destrier. And I speak about cav charging to me, not throwing them from far away. Add the shield effect and it's painful to kill them.
Hard to deal with this if 1H cav still one shooting me.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: Mr.K. on July 24, 2014, 11:10:57 pm
Saying get more str/PD it's stupid. With 10 PT I need 3 jarids to kill a horseman / destrier. And I speak about cav charging to me, not throwing them from far away. Add the shield effect and it's painful to kill them.
Hard to deal with this if 1H cav still one shooting me.

They pretty much removed speed bonus from throwing few patches ago which made anti-cav role impossible. There was not a single reason for that nerf, but like lots of times the balancing in this mod seems more random tinkering than actually thinking and trying to balance the mod.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: matt2507 on July 25, 2014, 04:56:48 am
I never did kill a horse with less than 5 arrows (talking about destrier and arabian horse, both are incredibly powerful and abusable

I got my +3 arabian oneshot by an teammate with a longbow yesterday  :rolleyes:

Destrier, maybe, but not the arabian.
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: STR_aD_Sargon_eqv on July 25, 2014, 08:18:30 am
Who are all those agi gays you speak of? Everytime you get dehorsed or killed by me (with my main or polearm alt) or some other Eques or generally by anyone you say things like that. You also called me "9 athl agi whore gay s-key" when I killed you with my polearm alt once, where I had 18 agi and 3 !!! athletics.

It's funny to read that bullshit from you everytime you get killed by people that have some kind of str-based or balanced build (all Eques for example) and your answer is is "9000 agi gay whores try to kill me bla bla bla".

well. all Eques with full plate move back faster then i move forward, and easely spam me with some flamberge or another definitely not op 2h\pole weapon. keep sayin u have 18 agi lol.

u are qq about OP cav, but lets speak frankly then, 2h\pole isn't so fair.
and that footwork speedbonus just so bullshit. the day donkeycrew will remove it u gonna cry or suicide coz they remove ur "skill". (read abuse)
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: STR_aD_Sargon_eqv on July 25, 2014, 09:19:56 am
Yes, sure. You are so retarded, it's completly pointless to even try to discuss with you.

u just like US Department of State lol
belive what u want and keep ignorin any other point of view i dont fckin care =)
Title: Re: heavy cav got herfed...
Post by: STR_aD_Sargon_eqv on July 25, 2014, 09:24:05 am
What you say is not another point of view, it's just plain wrong. That's the difference.
u just like US Department of State lol
belive what u want and keep ignorin any other point of view i dont fckin care =)
try once more