Not only aware of, it's their sole intention to provoke that tough response, to make Isreal look like cruel murderers.
On the other hand, it's muslim/arab land, with Palestinians being the specific arab nation with a right to inhabit this geographic area.
Isrealis wouln't even be there without WW2, former British and French colonial occupation in arab land, and finally, they wouldn't be there without Uncle Sam.
Only a handful of arab Jews (just like arab Christians) would be there without all this. Still, muslims would be killing each other anyway even without Isreal. Fucked up, and this conflict will never ever be solved. Never. It just can't be solved.
At least it makes people sit up and pay attention to what is going on there.
People that didn't pay attention before will not start now. Also World Cup is much more important.
People that didn't pay attention before will not start now. Also World Cup is much more important.Why does everyone keep giving World cup the shit? What, we cant have nice things cause some 2 demographics cant get along in the middle-east? What are we supposed to do? Watch and cry? And if we dont we are assholes? Everybody who could, have tried to settle the situation for a very long time now. Are you implying that we as people should be ashamed of ourselves for watching football, cause of the situations going on in Ukraine and Gaza? All sports and parties should be cancelled when theres a conflict going on somewhere on the planet that we know about, for it is not the time of pleasantries, but the time of weeping!!!!
Why does everyone keep giving World cup the shit? What, we cant have nice things cause some 2 demographics cant get along in the middle-east? What are we supposed to do? Watch and cry? And if we dont we are assholes? Everybody who could, have tried to settle the situation for a very long time now. Are you implying that we as people should be ashamed of ourselves for watching football, cause of the situations going on in Ukraine and Gaza? All sports and parties should be cancelled when theres a conflict going on somewhere on the planet that we know about, for it is not the time of pleasantries, but the time of weeping!!!!
Kinda silly isnt it.
Isreal purposefully target and airstrike UN peacekeeping and aid convoys. No other nation on earth can do this and face no comeuppance. Why do they do it? Because they can. They own the World Bank, they own the US and UK banking industries, and the IMF. They dictate what terms they want, and noone can do shit about it. They really are the badguys. I don't particulary wish harm on ANYONE but if the state of Isreal was whiped clean off the map, it would do an enormous amount to improve the world.
and here we are again with the old anti jew myths still alive... :rolleyes:
But I agree that military operations of Israel are absurd and will achieve nothing.
I'm mainly pissed with Israel thinking they're in the right when that land isn't even really their own and they are viewing the Palestinians like the Germans viewed the Jews. Israeli 'settlers' have taken land and livelihood from Palestinians which only creates more extremists, more Palestinians that want to see Israel destroyed, YES Hamas wants to provoke a violent response, but Israel also provoke them with intention on retaliating. Israel are squeezing the life out of Palestine in every way they can and it's disgusting.
so explain me how Israel owns the world bank. And of course what you write it is the prototype of antisemitism and antijudaism back to medieval times and antique.
And yea, ive heard a lot about jews being arrogant douchebags and that western tourists who visit Israel say that the locals are complete dicks, who hate everyone who isnt of jewish heritage.
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It can no longer be called a conspiracy theory, when you look at the cold hard facts.
No, I ment that a US reply would be much more deadfull. It's not a question of "bad guys" and "good guys". All of you have a strange vision of states relationships. You always want to choose a side.
Cuba once ownd all of Florida, then Canada and Australia came and took it from Cuba, GAVE it to the US, and the US declares its intent to take Cuba from the Cubans by any means possible. Cuba then fires some rockets that don't even make it halfway to US mainland before landing in the ocean, scaring some fish and a large octopus."They missed" isnt sufficent enough you know....
"They missed" isnt sufficent enough you know....
If someone pointed a gun at you and shot a few rounds, even if they missed, i highly doubt you would be in a forgiving state. "Dude I missed all my shots. That means we all good, right?":lol:
is this jew hating thread?
No, I ment that a US reply would be much more deadfull. It's not a question of "bad guys" and "good guys". All of you have a strange vision of states relationships. You always want to choose a side.
In this case the solution is simple : Hamas stop his rockets launchs and war ends. They play this tactic because they've lost all their support in Egypt. And Iran/Hezbollah are too busy in Syria. So that's a way to have more support from muslim world.
Not the same: Here is another analogy: Hamas firing rockets into Isreal is akin to Templar_Hoppster getting mad at me and trying to throw a rock from his house to mine: Its 3 miles. It isn't going to happen, it is no threat to me. If you think an apropriate reaction to that is for me to bomb his house, then your warped.
Well technically they are/were a threat. The rocketattacks have been going on since 2001. Killed over 50 people and injured over 1000s. Its just that by now nobody is building houses next to a possible bombingsite and some get blown up in the sky by the israelis before reaching the ground. If you compared these attacks to the way Israel retaliates to them, than yea, they are close to nothing.
is this jew hating thread?
That's a pipe dream. If Hamas stopped the rocket launches then Israel would continue what they are doing with enroaching on Palestinian territory, slowly taking it over and persecuting any they can along the way.
Hamas have been 'playing this tactic' for years and years. It's no different now. The more concerning factor is that Israel have LESS reason for military action than they ever had before. Previously there were reasons behind it, largely political. Such as in 2012 they were trying to scare the Palestinians into withdrawing their attempt to be recognised in the UN. Now Israel seem to be just going for the land grab and attacking civilian targets for no other reason than 'lol we can'.
We also have to remember that there are two sides to the Palestinian territory with Hamas and the Gaza strip and the more peaceful West Bank. Both ultimately have the same objective though.
Heck Israel even built a bloody wall akin to the Berlin wall, but worse in terms of the effect it has.
Out of self preservation, beauchamp?:D
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rather out of preservation of "values" i prefer like: hard work, democracy, scientific, oppresion, fascism methods, murders research over those i dislike like: disrespect to human life, begging, sloth...
Not "lol we can", but could you show me a country in the world where public opinion would accept to be bombed with no reaction ? Israeli people just says : "bomb them or you are fired next election (or even before that) !".
This aint a thread to bash/hate the Israelis, but yeah, I don`t like jews, because when Greece was occupied from the Ottomans, they were oppresing Greeks alongside the Turks.
But you gotta love modern society, a man can curse and insult the Germans (example) 24/7, and no one will give a fuck, say something wrong about the Jews, and all hell breaks loose.
Lol, what the hell is this horseshit? For the sake of entertainment, can you provide your source for this? Cold hard facts and all.(click to show/hide)
Lol, what the hell is this horseshit? For the sake of entertainment, can you provide your source for this? Cold hard facts and all.
Panos a retarded antisemitic conspiracist, what a surprise. On the contrary I am incredibly suprised that Tovi with all his US imperialist theories does not buy into the whole 'jews control the world' conspiracy.
You seems to forgot that they have been persecuted by Turks in the begining of the 20th, like Armenians and Greeks. You're strange Panos. Your orthodox Pope literaly steals your country and you hate...jews because some shit centuries ago.
You seems to forgot that they have been persecuted by Turks in the begining of the 20th, like Armenians and Greeks. You're strange Panos. Your orthodox Pope literaly steals your country and you hate...jews because some shit centuries ago.
Lol, what the hell is this horseshit? For the sake of entertainment, can you provide your source for this? Cold hard facts and all.
Panos a retarded antisemitic conspiracist, what a surprise. On the contrary I am incredibly suprised that Tovi with all his US imperialist theories does not buy into the whole 'jews control the world' conspiracy.
In the three days following the capture of the city, Muslim and Jewish inhabitants of Tripolitsa were exterminated.
here mate, I added some "values" you forgot to mention regarding the Jews :wink:
And the Israeli's always retaliate with undue force. 10x as many Palestinians are killed for every Israeli pretty much year on year..... Well, obviously. You don't retaliate with 1:1 force.
Those Palestinians who voted for Hamas has no idea whats going to happen in the futureOh yes, this is so surprising, Hamas has been so peaceful before now
.... Well, obviously. You don't retaliate with 1:1 force.
Cba, apparently you know the history of my country better than me.What, I don't understand what you are on about. In any case, I'll enlighten you and argue against your horseshit little source where you pulled your list from. Central banks, hence the word central, are with few expections publicly owned. Which means that all control of the bank falls directly on the government without any direct interference of the private banking sector. How exactly does the Rothschild family control, let alone own central banks?
I`m not an antisemite, I just don`t like them, jesus stop making it sound THAT badDisliking the Jews as a people is discrimination and therefore antisemitist.
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It can no longer be called a conspiracy theory, when you look at the cold hard facts.
Yeah you retaliate with 100:1 force right. On kids and women.
It ain't a boxing match. It's a war. Israel is not specifically targeting women and children. Innocents have always been killed in war, that's part of the reason it's so horrible. Hamas would be overjoyed if their thousands of rocket launchings had killed Israelis at a ratio of 100:1 even if all of them were women and children. but the rockets are too inaccurate and Iron Dome is too good for that.
I don't see any mention in these posts for what started this latest round of violence. It was the brutal kidnapping and murder of 3 Israeli teenagers followed by a rain of rockets from Gaza and Lebanon.
The onus for this violence and for resolving it is squarely on the Hamas/Fatah. They are more interested in continuing their mindless blood feud, retaining power and creating martyrs than they are in saving their children.
Can you show me a country in the world that can get away with encroaching on and settling anothers territory without having some form of retaliation from the country it's trying to take over?
I'm afraid this largely comes down to Israel's responsibility. Building settlements and pinning in people in territory that is not there's. Persecuting and policing Palestinians for no reason than they are Palestinian.
Heck my wife spent half a year out there with the UK's department for development and just the fact that she had stepped foot in Palestine meant she had to be thoroughly searched and received the highest level of security warning on her passport. And that's with a UK passport.
It ain't a boxing match. It's a war. Israel is not specifically targeting women and children. Innocents have always been killed in war, that's part of the reason it's so horrible. Hamas would be overjoyed if their thousands of rocket launchings had killed Israelis at a ratio of 100:1 even if all of them were women and children. but the rockets are too inaccurate and Iron Dome is too good for that.
I don't see any mention in these posts for what started this latest round of violence. It was the brutal kidnapping and murder of 3 Israeli teenagers followed by a rain of rockets from Gaza and Lebanon.
The onus for this violence and for resolving it is squarely on the Hamas/Fatah. They are more interested in continuing their mindless blood feud, retaining power and creating martyrs than they are in saving their children.
If we had the resources, I wouldnt mind them staying here for an X amount of time.
You'd be surprised. For instance a couple of years ago when things got quite bad out there last time I knew a lot of people who actually started looking into what was happening out there.
They are targeting civilian areas. Pretty sure that amounts to targeting women and children regardless of the excuses.
Similar attitude from the US in Vietnam in regards to attacking villages because 1 enemy may be hiding there.
You mention the 3 Israeli teenagers but not the fact that no Palestinian has come forward and said it was them (usually they do in these cases) and that a Palestinian teenager was also killed in Jerusalem in retaliation for the 3 Israeli's, despite there being no confirmation it was Palestinians.
A good starting point would be to refer to the Israelis as ...just that ..Israelis.
Disliking the Jews as a people is discrimination and therefore antisemitist.
Now lets look at history: Why would the jewish people be SO oppressed by SO many people for SO many centuries? There comes a point when, if everyone dislikes you, that you should take a look at your actions and outlook.
Now lets look at history: Why would the jewish people be SO oppressed by SO many people for SO many centuries? There comes a point when, if everyone dislikes you, that you should take a look at your actions and outlook.
That Hamas doesn't acknowledge Israel and therefore is not a legitimate party for diplomacy. Not even to be alive, look at sickening, official Israeli rhetoric and targeted assassinations of non-violent politicians and academics. Again I suggest you do a search. Hamas has acknowledged Israel and the two-state solution (like the rest of the world), try to find if Israel has acknowledged Paletine and the two-state solution.. (and was it anyone's surprise that they would elect Hamas, just look at Israel's role in the creation of Fatah and Hamas or the social, political and economic situation in Palestine).The Hamas position on the two-state solution does not seem that clear-cut to me. I have read about denials of previous acceptations and about refusals to end the violence even if a two-state solution is reached. Their rhetoric has been ambigious and their desire for violence towards Israel seems to trump their desire for a solution at many a time. Just saying that it doesn't seem that clear to me that the two-state solution is held back only because of Israel.
Now lets look at history: Why would the jewish people be SO oppressed by SO many people for SO many centuries? There comes a point when, if everyone dislikes you, that you should take a look at your actions and outlook.What an incredibly dumb thing to say.
Suggesting that Jewish people should be treated the same as everyone else is antisemitic.How so?
Now lets look at history: Why would the jewish people be SO oppressed by SO many people for SO many centuries? There comes a point when, if everyone dislikes you, that you should take a look at your actions and outlook.
How so?
Same with their advanced trading
In medieval times usury - lending money at interest - was forbidden by church but only for christians. Thanks to that jews monopolized medieval "banking" and who likes bankers? Exactly. On top of that add the distinction of their culture, lack of assimilation, this "jews killed jesus!" shit and here we go, according to Panos and Blind guy jews (and masons) are responsible for every bad thing in the world.
contrary to this a lot of stress among palestinians is how to make the best bomb and how to place it on your kid once he hits the age of 15. like for this reason i can't understand why anybody would support palestine rather than israel.
I'm basically indifferent to Israel-Palestine conflict, my knowledge about it is very limited so I don't take any position on it. BUt to some extent I can understand palestinian's point of view. POland was under occupation by 123 years and in public opinion those who participated in insurrections during XIX century are - or at least were, back in the days when people still cared about things like that - great heros, schools and streets were named after them, stuff like that :wink: In today's world I think that part of them would become terrorists, blowing themselves up on the streets of Moscow and Berlin :wink:
during ww2
If i was a Palestinian child and i found a history book about the region why wouldn't i turn to terrorism to get my country back?I dunno, are we presuming the child is retarded? Then sure, I guess. But if it's not a retarded child, the child would probably realize it's just a piece of land and patriotism is childish and useless, and you aren't in any way tied to what happened to your ancestors... and should probably you know, not ruin your life because of propaganda and artificial "I belong to this clan" feelings that only benefit the leaders of said artificial clan.
But if it's not a retarded child, the child would probably realize it's just a piece of land and patriotism is childish and useless
No Teeth, the word antisemitic needs to be dropped from the lexicon, you dont get a special word for it. Rascism is rascism, religious discrimination is just that. Thinking that they are so special they get their own word is half the reason noone likes them.
Now lets look at history: Why would the jewish people be SO oppressed by SO many people for SO many centuries? There comes a point when, if everyone dislikes you, that you should take a look at your actions and outlook.
well i guess 99.9% of the world is retarded and childish and you are one of the very few enlightened folk around xant.
Xant when you were in school if someone tried to bully you and take your things would you hand them over because fighting over possessions is childish?
I cant blame Israel for expanding past their agreed borders because the Arab countries surrounding them kept attacking their right to a country. If the Arabs had accepted that a small Israel was ok then Palestine would probably still be ok.
For history, Israel has been attacked first, each and every time. And each and every time, they won. So yes, they are the real leaders of that piece of land. I honestly would also being biaised if i was on their shoes : X attacks you. You defeat them, but let them go, since ONU and shit. X + Y attacks you. You defeat them, but learned your lesson, so take some of their lands as payback. If X attacks you again, how would you react ?
I certainly admit that Israel is forcing things, by purposefully building colonies, and annexing territory that way. But that's nearly the only thing i can reproach them.
With how this situation has escalated, i can only say i'm sorry for the "government" of Palestine, who decided to host the Hamas group in Gaza. They could themselves have labeled them as extremists, or terrorists.You probably should have had your dad working in Gaza as well for a fair outlook on things. Hamas aren't extremists or terrorists at all to the Palestinians and for good reason. They are a broad organization of which the military wing is only one aspect. A military wing that resorts to suicide bombings and rocket barrages because they are the only somewhat effective tools they have access to against the high tech Israeli military. Give them tanks and jets and they would use those instead and look like a proper military. Hamas is responsible for most of the improvements in the living conditions of Palestinians. Building infrastructure, schools, improving healthcare and other social activities are a significant part of the reason why the Palestinians love them. Their leaders are not jihadists in balaclavas with AK-47's, but politicians in suits.
Hamas aren't extremists or terrorists at all to the Palestinians and for good reason
well i guess 99.9% of the world is retarded and childish and you are one of the very few enlightened folk around xant.Horrible analogy.
Xant when you were in school if someone tried to bully you and take your things would you hand them over because fighting over possessions is childish?
You probably should have had your dad working in Gaza as well for a fair outlook on things. Hamas aren't extremists or terrorists at all to the Palestinians and for good reason. They are a broad organization of which the military wing is only one aspect. A military wing that resorts to suicide bombings and rocket barrages because they are the only somewhat effective tools they have access to against the high tech Israeli military. Give them tanks and jets and they would use those instead and look like a proper military. Hamas is responsible for most of the improvements in the living conditions of Palestinians. Building infrastructure, schools, improving healthcare and other social activities are a significant part of the reason why the Palestinians love them. Their leaders are not jihadists in balaclavas with AK-47's, but politicians in suits.
The Hamas position on the two-state solution does not seem that clear-cut to me. I have read about denials of previous acceptations and about refusals to end the violence even if a two-state solution is reached. Their rhetoric has been ambigious and their desire for violence towards Israel seems to trump their desire for a solution at many a time. Just saying that it doesn't seem that clear to me that the two-state solution is held back only because of Israel.Yes, the rhetoric is ambiguous (a good example http://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/jun/22/israel) and is for the sake of internal politics similar to much of Israel's most crazy and bloodthirsty rhetoric (see also through which media the opposing stances are communicated, western press are fed reconciliation while radical forces at home are fed defiance). But the diplomatic message is clear and otherwise a realpolitik imperative for an ant against an elephant. The Hamas leadership is not stupid nor suicidal, they recognize their situation.
" The land of Palestine is an islamic land". And they're in favor of the destruction of Israel, and that's why they don't want to recognize Israel as a country, and that's why Israel can't negociate any "2 official countries" there.Please read above and please remember Israel has never acknowledged a Palestinian state in any way (in opposition to most of the international community), and also claims Israel is a 'Jewish state'. Closest was the Oslo Accords but the chief Israeli diplomat was murdered by Zionist terrorists before anything good came out of it. If Israel would agree to the terms from Oslo there would be a two-state solution, in agreement with the rest of the world. But Israeli leaders continue to refuse it.
truce
armiesThere was no truce as Israel has consistently been breaking it, by occupying the land against international law, daily breaches of the Geneve accord in the occupied territories and constantly expanding its illegal settlements on Palestinian land, forcibly expelling the inhabitants and taking the best land while dividing Palestine into completely seperated bantustans, surrounded by fortified Israeli settlements and military checkpoints and walls, leaving no hope for a contiguous Palestinian state.
Only problem is that there never was a country called Palestine. When Israel declared a state in 1948 and was attacked by 5 Arab armies, the Muslim religious leaders urged the Palestinians that were living in the area of the Jewish state to leave so that it would be easier to crush the new country.But was there a state called Israel before that, either? Also, as you comment it is sometimes claimed in Israeli propaganda that the Palestinians fled themselves and were not to terrorized to do so, but even Israeli academia do not try to deny that the Israelis ethnically cleansed the region and the evidence is simply overwhelming (even from the mouths of contemporary Israeli policy makers). There's plenty of Israeli massacres against Palestinians on record (also in Israeli archives) in 1948 (and since), I suggest you look them up. Most Palestinians were simply expelled but the massacres helped convince most who could to flee to seek safety for their families in neighbouring countries (who in general were not very welcoming). Those few that have stayed are mostly those with little ressources.
Why haven't the Arabs and the Palestinians agreed to a two country solution for the last 64 years? It's because they wish to see Israel destroyed and all the Jews along with it.
Heskey is Pro-Choice.
Let them choose guys, it's their decision.
Western powers have a rich tradition of supporting radical islamism over radical nationalism, for a current example just look at Saudi Arabia. The gradual destruction of Palestine only leads to more Islamic fanatism, where cooperation and diplomacy would help progressive powers gain a foothold.
Eh, "missiles". How many casualties have those massive barrages caused among the israelis? When you look at some of these famous palestinian rockets you notice they're more akin to what a retarded kid would put together for a science project than actual military hardware.
I frankly don't care either way, Israel hasn't been an ally of France since the Six Day War. I doubt Israel cares at all what us french think, and I'm not particularly fond of islamic fanatics either. It's clear both sides want to ethnically cleanse the other. Israel is just a lot smarter and more patient about it, playing the long game.
Then you would think that Hamas would smarten up and stop throwing ineffective punches that only bring effective counter strikes on their heads and the heads of the people they profess to care about. Your comment seems to dismiss the seriousness of launching hundreds of missiles against another country just because the barrages are relatively ineffective. Did you have a casualty figure in mind that would qualify as a serious threat?
When you look at some of these famous palestinian rockets you notice they're more akin to what a retarded kid would put together for a science project than actual military hardware.
Why does everyone keep giving World cup the shit? What, we cant have nice things cause some 2 demographics cant get along in the middle-east? What are we supposed to do? Watch and cry? And if we dont we are assholes? Everybody who could, have tried to settle the situation for a very long time now.
Israel should start by joining the rest of the world by accepting the Oslo Accords as a basis for a viable two-state solution and accept that Hamas is the closest thing to a serious diplomatic partner with authority in the occupied territories they will get, having radicalized both societies through generations. Keeping them occupied (and all the horrors that occupation brings) and provoking with constantly expanding illegal settlements on Palestinian land at least everyone can be sure is detrimental to any hope for a peaceful solution.
1/ Hamas launches ROCKETS, they are unguided, small payload, and honestly
2/ Hamas aren't causing Isreal's attacks, they are trying to hit back. Isreal will continue to take ground, kill locals, build defensive settlements on Pal. land, use extreme torture and murder as their tools of expansion. I don't agree with what Hamas are doing either, but at least they are daring to TRY to fight back, with anything they can. I feel so sorry for those poor ppl, just as I do for any massively opressed peoples.
But ultimately you cannot do anything, Isreali officials don't even disimulate about their aims and the means they use, they literally don't asnwer to any international law or body.
Those poor people are being used as pawns, and cover, and suicide bomber recruits by Hamas which is only interested in perpetuating it's own power.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacksYes, those are the successful ones. Israel is very good at preventing them.
6 years since last suicide bombing.
Yes, those are the successful ones. Israel is very good at preventing them.
1. Yes Hamas terrorists have launched more than 8,000 rockets into Israel since Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005. No country in the world would take that without hitting back, hard. Russia just threatened Ukraine for one artillery shell that landed in Russian territory. Hamas can't have it both ways. It can't say it's fighting against Israel and also say it shouldn't be attacked in return.If Israel doesn't want rockets to be send over, then don't aggressively colonize Palestinian land, ghettoize the Gaza strip, interfere aggressively with Palestinian citizens at leasure, inhibit development of Palestinians areas, kill Hamas leaders that are by every definition politicians and don't commit several other clear acts of war that Israel commits on a daily basis. Israel is busy with an incremental genocide, none of that constitutes an act of war towards the Palestinian people and gives them the right to self defense in your mind? You seem to envision this conflict as two neighbouring states respecting eachother's sovereignty until Hamas decided to willfully break the peace by firing rockets at Israel. This is incredibly far from the truth.
2. Of course Hamas attacks are causing Israeli responses. If they don't want to be bombed, don't send rockets over.
3. You feel so sorry for those poor people. You are misplacing the blame. Those poor people are being used as pawns, and cover, and suicide bomber recruits by Hamas which is only interested in perpetuating it's own power.
If Israel doesn't want rockets to be send over, then don't aggressively colonize Palestinian land, ghettoize the Gaza strip, interfere aggressively with Palestinian citizens at leasure, inhibit development of Palestinians areas, kill Hamas leaders that are by every definition politicians and don't commit several other clear acts of war that Israel commits on a daily basis. Israel is busy with an incremental genocide, none of that constitutes an act of war towards the Palestinian people and gives them the right to self defense in your mind? You seem to envision this conflict as two neighbouring states respecting eachother's sovereignty until Hamas decided to willfully break the peace by firing rockets at Israel. This is incredibly far from the truth.
Hamas are terrorists as much as American revolutionaries, the Vietcong or Nelson Mandela were terrorists according to one side or another. Perhaps even less so, much less than the last. If Palestina would be recognized as a proper state, Hamas would be their legitimate government with a military arm by all definitions. Hamas' choice of weapons is a matter of necessity, not a choice. Once again, give them jets and tanks and they will use those instead of rockets. Recognizing Hamas as more than a terrorist organization is one of the most overdue things in the world.
If Israel doesn't want rockets to be send over, then don't aggressively colonize Palestinian land, ghettoize the Gaza strip, interfere aggressively with Palestinian citizens at leasure, inhibit development of Palestinians areas, kill Hamas leaders that are by every definition politicians and don't commit several other clear acts of war that Israel commits on a daily basis. Israel is busy with an incremental genocide, none of that constitutes an act of war towards the Palestinian people and gives them the right to self defense in your mind? You seem to envision this conflict as two neighbouring states respecting eachother's sovereignty until Hamas decided to willfully break the peace by firing rockets at Israel. This is incredibly far from the truth.
Hamas are terrorists as much as American revolutionaries, the Vietcong or Nelson Mandela were terrorists according to one side or another. Perhaps even less so, much less than the last. If Palestina would be recognized as a proper state, Hamas would be their legitimate government with a military arm by all definitions. Hamas' choice of weapons is a matter of necessity, not a choice. Once again, give them jets and tanks and they will use those instead of rockets. Recognizing Hamas as more than a terrorist organization is one of the most overdue things in the world.
That and this time the Hamas response was also largely in part for arresting Palestinian activists in the West Bank for no other reason than they blamed Palestinians for the death of those teenagers with 0 proof. Such action is of course going to illicit a response.
Hamas response is perfectly justified in my opinion, considering how Israel treats Palestinians daily and their slow take over of Palestinian land.
Most of the time it looks as though Israel is just looking for a reason to 'justify' going in and finishing what they have been doing for a long time by fully occupying Palestinian territory.
No they sure as hell want to go in and take over. But their standing on the world stage would be beyond damaged. That's the only thing stopping them. That's why they've been doing it for years bit by bit with settlements and the like.And now if you actually bothered to find out why the territory has changed like that...
If they don't want hundreds of rockets they should stop persecuting and taking over Palestinian land. They treat Palestinians like shit naturally Palestinians aren't going to sit idly by and take that as you think they should. Ultimately as the larger, stronger power the responsibility lies with Israel. If they stopped what they what they were doing and handed back all the land they had taken I'm sure Hamas would stop.(click to show/hide)
And now if you actually bothered to find out why the territory has changed like that...The Jews did it
Lol, what the hell is this horseshit? For the sake of entertainment, can you provide your source for this? Cold hard facts and all.
Panos a retarded antisemitic conspiracist, what a surprise. On the contrary I am incredibly suprised that Tovi with all his US imperialist theories does not buy into the whole 'jews control the world' conspiracy.
Huh, in most cases on antiquity, Jews were traders and often wealthy and a minority religion/race. The majority, in most cases, actually oppressed them for what they had(money as is the most common case). Not for land, or for religion(though, sometimes) always money. You have to remember, since about 500AD and the arrival of the Arabs, "Jews" haven't held the land that they held since then. Most of the oppression of the Race came after he Roman Empire lost the province."In 63 BCE, Judah/Judaea became a 'protectorate' of Rome, and in 6 CE was organized as a Roman province. The Jews began to revolt against the Roman Empire in 66 CE during the period known as the First Jewish–Roman War which culminated in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70CE. During the siege, the Romans destroyed the Second Temple and most of Jerusalem.[4] In 132, the Jews rebelled against Hadrian. In 135, Hadrian's army defeated the Jewish armies and Jewish independence was lost. Jerusalem was turned into a pagan city called Aelia Capitolina and the Jews were forbidden to live there, and Hadrian changed the country's name from Judea to Syria Palaestina."(taken from wikipedia yes, but its just from lazyness to write it myself, as ive been an avid researcher of roman history and such, so i know the subject)
Its kinda hard to root for palestinians imo. Simply cause they are muslim and muslims arent exactly known for their jewloving, compromises and tolerance. If by any chance they would one day beat Israel with the help of other arabstates they will most certainly massgenocide every israeli in their path. Man, woman or child cause they are seriuslly pissed off.Please refrain from generalising...in many arab countries, just like here in Morocco. There is a jewish population coexisting peacefully with the local population (i shouldnt even say that, they are part of the local population). Their houses are not destroyed, they are not oppressed by the state or subjucated to controls because they are jews...
Tell me honestly would any of you see that palestinians would do better in this situation if they were the significantly superior force in the area? I dont. Im quite sure if palestine was put in israels shoes they would act even more horribly.
What Israel is doing right now is pretty much all they can do. They get hit with rockets, they hit back with bombs. And they're at least trying to limit the casualties. Yes, it's going to keep going on like this. No, there is no answer to it. That's war for you.^
Lets look at this reasonably: Hamas fire unguided rockets that mostly hit nothing but rocks and desert, and LIZARDS !!! you forgot the LIZARDS !! they are low yield, innacurate (accurate enough to kill lizards ! REMEMBER LIZZARDS) :shock:,low range. Nop they succesfully reach the far north of the country.
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Them being the aggressors is debatable, and of course leaflets and telephoning aren't perfect, nothing ever will be, but they're still making the effort which is better than nothing.
lol how human of them, hey I'll drop a flyer telling you to get out of your country before I bomb the shit out of it, real darlings those IsraelisSo you don't think those people who have been saved by those measures deserve to live? How human of you.
So you don't think those people who have been saved by those measures deserve to live? How human of you.
So you don't think those people who have been saved by those measures deserve to live? How human of you.A classic Xant right there... :D
A 50 second warning is better than a 0 second warning.
A 50- second warning is never enough... ever. You think the Jews are doing this out of the kindness of their hearts or because they don't want to kill innocents??? NO, they're doing it to save face with the rest of the world. 'We give warning so only 'terrorists' die'.
None of us are fooled by this. Except maybe you and your Jew sympathizer friends.
So you don't think those people who have been saved by those measures deserve to live? How human of you.
So you don't think those people who have been saved by those measures deserve to live? How human of you.
I'd be happier Israelis didn't bomb them on regular basisWell, tough cookies sonny, nobody gives a fuck because the only thing you're willing to do about it is post on a video game forum. They're bombing Gaza, deal with it.
Well, tough cookies sonny, nobody gives a fuck because the only thing you're willing to do about it is post on a video game forum. They're bombing Gaza, deal with it.
You are totally right, too bad we all can't be so manly, my badYou're right, you can't be as manly as me, but you could try to stop looking at things in black and white. Sounds hard, I know, but it's something to strive for.
I think you'll find it would be the Arabs that'd be wiped off the map, not Israel.
Once money is no longer an issue, I really don't think Isreal would be in excistance for over 47minutes.Well, that only speaks about your thinking faculties. Israel is the most powerful country in the middle east by far, and anyone in the West who matters the tiniest bit is a hundred times more sympathetic to Israel than the muslims.
Most people in Gaza have nowhere to run, anyway.That is one of the main problem.
It is rather a stupid comparison.Okey :(
They should just move into Israel, problem solved
Well, that only speaks about your thinking faculties. Israel is the most powerful country in the middle east by far, and anyone in the West who matters the tiniest bit is a hundred times more sympathetic to Israel than the muslims.
Currently their policy is to not antagonise any states surrounding them untill they have dealt with the remains of Palestine, but do you honestly believe that once they have done that, they will sit tight and be happy with their borders?Ofcourse even in Saudi they are viewed badly. Dont forget Saudi is extremely muslism aswell. We just keep forgetting it cause they are rich and have warm relations with the US. But they have all characteristics of a muslism society. Like religious education and major discrimination towards women.
And, as I wrote before, if they could NOT afford the millions they pay to propaganda worldwide and to US/NATO political aids, who would help them once they anger any of the major arab Muslim states?
Also consider how the US is viewed in many Arab states? Even in Saudi they are viewed badly, despite the fact that they are massively codependant... if US alingment with Isreal stopped, so would the majority of the negative press the US gets over there. So really, its win-win to let Israel burn. For everyone.
JDL zionists are getting their asses kicked from muslims AT FRANCE
[...]But yeah they run like little shits what happened to the tough man act.Obviously you took that act and brought it here :lol:
JDL zionists are getting their asses kicked from muslims AT FRANCE
... US is sending Israel money...Also, 6 Day War, anyone? They have only become stronger since then, whereas their hostile neighbours have actually become weaker, afaik.
And Israel has by FAR the best military in that region, by FAR. And they ARE, also, the only country there with nukes..
Let's also not forget that Muslims nowadays in the middle east aren't exactly the world's shining beacons of intelligence and education.
JDL zionists are getting their asses kicked from muslims AT FRANCE
That awkward moment when they said ''3 days national mourning for Gazza'' but did nothing when a bomb exloded by Syrians in ''Hatay'' (Another city of Turkey). I think i'm starting to hate my country cause of this government.
Gazza is a legend you leave him alone!
Gazza is a legend you leave him alone!(click to show/hide)
"We are calling civilians to leave the area, we are targeting tunnels where Hamas is hiding weapons"
"So did the bombed hospitals have weapons in them?" -"I can't answer that, I don't have the facts, we are investigating"
lol, just lol
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T-shirt that became very popular among IDF snipers until it went public and army command banned their use. Says something about the culture within the IDF.
visitors can't see pics , please register or loginDoesn't really say anything about anything. Dark humor like that is just a coping mechanism for the soldiers, seen in every military.
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T-shirt that became very popular among Israeli snipers. Says a lot about the culture within the IDF.
That's because this is howArabshumans fight wars -- by hiding behind women and children and hiding their weapons in schools.
Nope.Okey, second try :
That's because this is howArabshumansterrorists fight wars -- by hiding behind women and children and hiding their weapons in schools.
It's become a common tactic against western troops because these shitbags have realized people from the west have some problems with shooting unarmed women and children. So nowadays, in heavy use by middle easterners and Somalis etc, people who don't give a shit if their family dies as long as they have a slightly better chance of living.
I can promise you that if Sweden was invaded by USA tomorrow, the Swedes wouldn't be ushering their women and children in front of them while taking potshots at the American troops.
You should change that quote in your signature.
I'm not against changing it if you gimme a decent reason.
If you want to talk about public decrees, how soon do you think the Swedes would be stoning people to death for saying the wrong thing, imprisoning women for getting raped, killing family members for having sex with foreigners, cutting off little children's hands for stealing, et cetera et cetera -- that's all publicly well and good with these people.
Who are "These people"? Always the same with rascists like you man.... blame the actions of extremist few on the conscience of the many, ignoring historic destabilisation caused by "civilised" powers exploiting the areas where extremists rise to power through manipulation of politics and economy by their "civilised" allies.There are some countries where this is true. But for the majority of it the "civilised" worlds destabilisation is not to blame. Generally the Middle-East is unstable due to its own fault really. One thing that muslims refuse to understand is that u cant have religion and goverment on the same boat for religion is such a debatable and emotional thing. The Middle-East is screwed not because its muslim and not because West fucked it(althou true in some parts), but because of religious ruling. Africa is screwed cause every time something valuable is found there, if its not the West trying to take advantage of it, its the countries own inside fighting that destabilizes the whole area.
Who are "These people"? Always the same with rascists like you man.... blame the actions of extremist few on the conscience of the many, ignoring historic destabilisation caused by "civilised" powers exploiting the areas where extremists rise to power through manipulation of politics and economy by their "civilised" allies.What the fuck is a "rascist"? You keep repeating that word.
EDIT: I also edited my signature for accuracy, ok? Happy now guys?
There are some countries where this is true. But for the majority of it the "civilised" worlds destabilisation is not to blame. Generally the Middle-East is unstable due to its own fault really. One thing that muslims refuse to understand is that u cant have religion and goverment on the same boat for religion is such a debatable and emotional thing. The Middle-East is screwed not because its muslim and not because West fucked it(althou true in some parts), but because of religious ruling. Africa is screwed cause every time something valuable is found there, if its not the West trying to take advantage of it, its the countries own inside fighting that destabilizes the whole area.
...... was DIRECTLY caused by western powers wanting to rid themselves of the jews, and not wanting to use the same solution as Nationalist Socialists' Final Solution.
Who are "These people"? Always the same with rascists like you man.... blame the actions of extremist few on the conscience of the many,
I have been told I must respect the beliefs of others even when its obvious and blatant bullshit.
Violence makes people tougher. :cry:
. But the Isreal/Palestine issue, which is what this thread is about, was DIRECTLY caused by western powers wanting to rid themselves of the jews, and not wanting to use the same solution as Nationalist Socialists' Final Solution.
I hope the muslims in France don't make you tougher.
That's more totally fucked up than some of your other ideas.
If it was just a few "extremists" it wouldn't be so widespread. Same thing happened in Afghanistan and Iraq constantly, with muslims firing at US troops next to their families, and now Hamas is doing it in Gaza, shielding themselves with civilians. What's the connecting factor between Somalia, Palestine and Afghanistan, and all these countries doing fucked up shit like killing women for getting raped? Hmm....
If it was just a few "extremists" it wouldn't be so widespread. Same thing happened in Afghanistan and Iraq constantly, with muslims firing at US troops next to their families, and now Hamas is doing it in Gaza, shielding themselves with civilians. What's the connecting factor between Somalia, Palestine and Afghanistan, and all these countries doing fucked up shit like killing women for getting raped? Hmm....
Why do you think the western powers had been sending jews to Palestine, and then Isreal, for 50 years before the start of ww2, because they LIKE to give ppl free transport and a new life? No, they did NOT want them around. Why do you think it took so long for the rest of europe to denounce A.dolf Sh!tler? Very many people agreed with his views, if not his methods.
2/ No, not muslims. Again, all religion is abhorent to me, but no Muslim is using his family as a shield or anything of the sort. Nutjobs, shitcunts, yes, they are doing this, but to think that actual, devout, god-fearing Muslims would do that is retarded, in their religion it is as negative to use senseless violence and hurt innocents as it is in any other abrahamic religion, ie Christian, Hebrew.This so much.
Also warnings consist of phone calls to relatives of affected a few minutes before bombings and also pre-emptive "knocking" i.e. bombing the tops of houses with loud bombs to let them know they are gonna be bombed...
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"Hi, in 10 minutes we are going to bomb your uncle's house. Please let him know asap."
*Loud noise which sounds like a bomb hitting your building (and is a bomb hitting your building)*
"Ok, sounds like we are getting bombed soon, glad they let us know."
From what I've heard the calls are in Hebrew also.
1/ Afghanistan and Iraq both perfect examples of extremist societies that Western powers set up and used to be allied with."Western powers" aren't responsible for how those camel-fuckers act.
2/ No, not muslims. Again, all religion is abhorent to me, but no Muslim is using his family as a shield or anything of the sort. Nutjobs, shitcunts, yes, they are doing this, but to think that actual, devout, god-fearing Muslims would do that is retarded, in their religion it is as negative to use senseless violence and hurt innocents as it is in any other abrahamic religion, ie Christian, Hebrew.
"Western powers" aren't responsible for how those camel-fuckers act.
Is there a school for scandinavian imperialism holier-than-thou? If it does, pretty sure Xant attended.
Camel fuckers... nice. Real classy.Yup, alternatively little-boy-fuckers, donkey-fuckers, any-farm-animal-will-do-fuckers, hypocritical-manlove-thursday-fuckers... take your pick, really.
Why do you think it took so long for the rest of europe to denounce A.dolf Sh!tler? Very many people agreed with his views, if not his methods.
Not muslims, I have a lot of muslim friends who are not violents.
That's not too bad though: Asnwer the phone and its Hebrew, call everyone you know and GTFO.
TBH you would think Jews, of all the people in the world, would stop and think that maybe Genocide is not a great thing...
Another nub who isn't able to quote more than once in a post... l2forum!
I hope the muslims in France don't make you tougher.
Turkhammer, you know you can edit your posts right?
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xant fuck off
the end.
I'd rather annoy you and Molly but thanks anyway.Annoy me?
Annoy me?
I'll just put you on my ignore list instead. Most things you write are not worth reading anyway... :)
Hey this is pretty cool.I hope they do it
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2715466/Israeli-official-calls-concentration-camps-Gaza-conquest-entire-Gaza-Strip-annihilation-fighting-forces-supporters.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2715466/Israeli-official-calls-concentration-camps-Gaza-conquest-entire-Gaza-Strip-annihilation-fighting-forces-supporters.html)
If we had the resources, I wouldnt mind them staying here for an X amount of time.
http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/ndtv-exclusive-how-hamas-assembles-and-fires-rockets-571033?pfrom=home-lateststories
Well, that to me supports what I believe, but don't want to sound like a conspiracy nut: Isreali intelligence fires the majority of the rockets at Isreal.
A good starting point would be to refer to the Israelis as ...just that ..Israelis.
The idea of a jewish state in those areas started long before WW2.
What became the state of Israel had a sizeable jewish population before WW2. Long before.
not pro-israel , but no need to paint it even darker than it already is.
The conflict is shitty from every angle...
It seems anyone condoning Israeli actions have no idea what happened before the rockets started firing...You can say "fuck Israel" all you like, but Israel is going to win this conflict and they're going to get away with it.
Three Israeli teenagers kidnapped, no one knows who by or why, but Israel says Hamas did it, therefore it must be true.. (Like fuck) Israel then proceeded to round up hundreds of Palestinian men, as a result some Palestinians started protesting and then during some protests the Israeli army shot dead a couple of Palestinian teenagers, next the rockets started flying, and then children of Palestine started dying..
All this regardless of the fact Europeans in 1946 decided to invade, displace and kill the native inhabitants leading to an expanding permanent occupation right up until this day..
Fuck Israel's propaganda, FUCK Israel and anyone who believes its propaganda, just like the propaganda that claims Iran is building a nuclear bomb, fuck Israel.
(Also it has to be noted that prior to the kidnapping of the three Israeli teens, Hamas and Fatah signed an agreement to form a unity government, Israel didn't like this. Every time Israel has expanded its borders it has only done so through conflict, it cannot grab more land without a military pretext, therefore the status quo must be retained by Israel if it is to justify further land grabs and the subjugation of the remaining Palestinian enclaves.).. Geopolitics folks..
You can say "fuck Israel" all you like, but Israel is going to win this conflict and they're going to get away with it.
No one is going to win the conflict ultimately. Every person who believes in the lies fed through the media and from government mouthpieces have lost, even if the lies led to those responsible ultimately claiming a military victory, humanity has already lost, the innocent have been killed and everyone just allowed it to happen.Of course someone is going to win. Israel will achieve its victory conditions. That's how victory is defined.
Of course someone is going to win. Israel will achieve its victory conditions. That's how victory is defined.
How did our "victories" in Iraq and Afghanistan play out?It played out exactly as the politicians in charge wanted it to play out.
Political problems need political solutions, not military ones.
For Clausewitz perhaps, and other generals and politicians and their ilk, most of whom are clinically psychopaths. Not so much for ordinary people (the majority of the World's population) trying to get along or just survive.Violence is the supreme authority from which all other authority is derived.
That's the world we live in. My comment was a moral judgement, though, and an impression that war usually creates more problems than it solves. I've yet to see a benign war.The only way to stop violence is with violence. That's why wars are necessary.
The only way to stop violence is with violence. That's why wars are necessary.
A military solution did not resolve the Northern Islands civil war via the IRA and loyalists, a political solution did.And why do you think that particular political solution came to be?
A military solution has not resolved most warring countries problems even as we speak, only political solutions and concessions can effectively bring about a lul in the bloodshed and peace.If those countries are warring, clearly it wasn't a "military solution" but an attempted solution. Only military solutions can effectively bring about peace.
And why do you think that particular political solution came to be?
If those countries are warring, clearly it wasn't a "military solution" but an attempted solution. Only military solutions can effectively bring about peace.
If a military solution has been sought due to political, religious, cultural differences and a military victory succeeds in stamping out the opposing side with the opposing views, the victor then has to rule over a populace whom will eventually clamour to overthrow that victorious regime due to its stifling of freedom of expression and political, religious and cultural wills and identity.Romans didn't have much trouble out of Carthage after their military solution.
Military solutions have failed to bring about peace in the world Xant, thousands of years of nonstop conflict in human society is proof of this. Humans have a habit of finding new enemies after the old enemies have been defeated. The only peace we'll ever achieve through war is one in which we nuke ourselves to oblivion.
Romans didn't have much trouble out of Carthage after their military solution.
Military solutions have succeeded in bringing about peace in the world, Murmillus, thousands of years of peace in human society is proof of this.
Come on Xant, that's complete bullshit. Name one nation which has been at peace, has not been involved in any form of warfare for thousands of years, go on. We've had two "world wars" in the past 100 years as it is.. You must be trolling now right?How about you name one nation which has been at peace for thousands of years with only these so-called "politics without violence" and no standing army, go on.
How about you name one nation which has been at peace for thousands of years with only these so-called "politics without violence" and no standing army, go on.
Your double standards are pretty amazing -- if every military solution ever hasn't been a 100% perfect success, then military solutions don't work. You even list specific instances where it didn't work out. Well, how about you apply that logic to your side of the argument?
I don't have to Xant, my initial point was that humanity has been at conflict for thousands of years due to humanities preference toward utilising a military over political option. Rome's victory over Carthage didn't exactly secure the Roman empires future did it? They replaced one enemy with another. You made an inane statement and I asked you to back it up, that's all.And you've never backed up your initial point.
And you've never backed up your initial point.
Rome's victory over Carthage secured Rome's victory over Carthage. What else are you expecting? Them to read some Hidden Scroll of Untold Power that makes them all immortal and transforms them into the Eternal Empire of Glory? You're the one making inane, childish statements without being able to back them up. People die, all things end - this might come as a surprise to you.
Where is the permanent solution warfare can bring if by defeating one opponent you only face another because you used the same tactics which means you're guaranteed to find yourself in another conflict and thus not living in peace?Your "if" is incorrect.
Most of the Carthaginians were either killed or turned slave though. Not exactly the kind of "peace" people desire.They were all killed or turned into slaves. It was a very, very effective solution for Rome. Was it moral? That's another matter entirely.
I do agree with you though that every country needs an army or means to hurt one another.
A couple of years back there was a guy stating that the western powers shouldn't be trying to restrict nuclear devices to specific countries. If everyone had a nuke, nobody would be willing to attack each other due to the fear of the other launching the nuke. But that might result in more covert stuff like the Cold War.
In modern day society that wouldn't work at all though. First of all its impossible to get rid of most people of a specific country and secondly the vast majority of people on this planet are against that sort of thing. Any country that would do that would face severe consequences, both internal and external.The same concept would, and does, work just as well in our day as it did back then.
Your "if" is incorrect.
It's not incorrect, it's subjective to past and potential future scenarios.Nope.
The same concept would, and does, work just as well in our day as it did back then.Not really. We saw it with the Nazl and the jews.
Not really. We saw it with the Nazl and the jews.Huh? How so?
Nope.
Like some other idiots in another thread you post an inane points in which you stubbornly defend.It's funny because everything you write applies to your posts. You haven't backed up a single one of your points and your logic is completely broken.
It's funny because everything you write applies to your posts. You haven't backed up a single one of your points and your logic is completely broken.
My points are backed by history and reality Xant. You're a complete dipshit did you know that? I don't usually personally attack people for their lack of intellect and tact but you, just stooped to a new low in regards to the amount ignorance and bluster contained within your posts.Sorry, but that's not how debate works. You can keep repeating "my points are backed up by history and reality", but that's not an actual argument, no matter what they taught you at your place of education where that cute short bus took you every day.
Sorry, but that's not how debate works. You can keep repeating "my points are backed up by history and reality", but that's not an actual argument, no matter what they taught you at your place of education where that cute short bus took you every day.
Huh? How so?How not so?
My argument, the initial argument that you started deflecting and dragging out in this thread was based on the lack of peace in humanity due to endless warfare ever since the birth of civilisation. You made an incredibly inane point stating that humans have HAD PEACE for THOUSANDS OF YEARS. My point cannot be disproven by your ignorance Xant, therefore I will continue to repeat the stated fact that you will find proof in history.No, actually, your initial argument was that political problems need political solutions, not military ones. Must be hard not being able to remember yesterday.
No, actually, your initial argument was that political problems need political solutions, not military ones. Must be hard not being able to remember yesterday.
Warfare is never a long term solution. War will bring about war, not a lasting peace.No such thing as "lasting peace." That's child-talk.
No such thing as "lasting peace." That's child-talk.
Anything humanly possible is possible, but as long as humanity continues to produce idiots such as yourself I think we'll have to wait a few more thousand years, if we haven't wiped ourselves out by then.Sadly, reality is on my side. But hey, if wild fantasies help alleviate the pain of your hurting backside, whatever floats your goat.
Sadly, reality is on my side. But hey, if wild fantasies help alleviate the pain of your hurting backside, whatever floats your goat.
Brainwashed ignorant reality maybe, your perspective is so skewed..Holla back when we have everlasting peace. Oh wait, isn't that convenient, it's something you'll never be able to prove.
Holla back when we have everlasting peace. Oh wait, isn't that convenient, it's something you'll never be able to prove.
I don't need to prove that we have had everlasting peace because that's not something I need to prove. My point is that we have had ever lasting war and that is not something I will need to prove because it is a matter of FACT and REALITY.:lol:
Peace among human nations or peace in general?In general? With what else?
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If you want to get metaphysical about it, the terms war and peace only make sense if both exist. The history of humanity may be full of war, yes, but it wasn't some sort of warhammer 40k dystopia constantly either. By definition the idea of war can only exist if there are periods of peace, and vice versa. War is the absence of peace, peace the absence of war.Yes- history may be "full of war", but I think it's a lot more full of peace. I don't think there are many countries that have been at war for longer than they have been at peace. And sometimes, wars have made that peace possible.
Maybe if some group of people are unethical enough to literally change human nature (something that's starting to become more possible over time with breakthroughs in genetic manipulation) you could maybe have "eternal" peace. I'd argue humans aren't what they would be defined as at this point.
Anything humanly possible is possible, but as long as humanity continues to produce idiots such as yourself I think we'll have to wait a few more thousand years, if we haven't wiped ourselves out by then.
He likes being an asshole. He could've explained his position as he did above first thing, instead of trolling Murm by answering with one liners about "eternal peace". But Xant is Xant.My position on what, exactly? Murmillus is so confused I'm not even sure what he's trying to say. His latest posts have nothing to do with what he said to get the argument started -- and why should I explain things to him seriously when his every reply to any kind of a serious argument is "lol i dont have to back up my points"?
He likes being an asshole. He could've explained his position as he did above first thing, instead of trolling Murm by answering with one liners about "eternal peace". But Xant is Xant.
Tl;dl?Considering the amount of time many here have spent posting and lately arguing what is basically semantics and hot rhetoric, one should think a 45 min speech touching on many of the arguments put forth here shouldn't be too much time to dedicate to the topic.
Considering the amount of time many here have spent posting and lately arguing what is basically semantics and hot rhetoric, one should think a 45 min speech touching on many of the arguments put forth here shouldn't be too much time to dedicate to the topic.
SHH then he might learn something.
Considering the amount of time many here have spent posting and lately arguing what is basically semantics and hot rhetoric, one should think a 45 min speech touching on many of the arguments put forth here shouldn't be too much time to dedicate to the topic.... That's some retarded logic there. Do you know how many one hour videos of speeches there are? Why don't you apply that same logic to every single one of them, see how that holds up? Have you seen them all? No? Then why aren't you dedicating the time?
Because they don't touch on many of the arguments put forth here.Which is why I said "tl;dl".... because I'm not going to listen to a random one hour presentation for no reason given that there's a million of them out there. Angantyr did nothing but copypaste it.
LOL, like you want us to believe that you read everything that does not accord with your view of things.
Alright, listen. I've previously posted quite a lot with references to good sources you can use. Human rights organizations worldwide including Israeli. The UN. The consensus of the international scientific community. From the mouths of Israeli policy makers themselves etc. I've posted a long debate at Harvard between two professors considered authorities on the subject, where many of the same most basic myths and points of conflict are discussed. This talk was right in line with all of that.So who is he and why do his words have more weight than Joe Average's?
I didn't just pull some random video off of Youtube, but I chose this video on the premise that it touched exactly on some of the arguments that I've read here, but for which mine or arguments of others have been ignored. If you'd bothered to know anything about the topic you would know that this man isn't just anyone nor is what he says based on speculation. I don't force anyone to watch the video but I don't expect anyone to criticise it without even having done so, either.
I would also not waste anyone's time with mere opinion nor do I present this as the final authority on anything. The arguments are not opinions but things you can fact check in the historical record afterwards, and then put forth arguments if you see the need. I thought that maybe we had at least a semblance of serious discussion here, and had hoped if nothing else we could debate this rationally.
If anyone is genuinely interested in some of the basic points in the talk and wish for us to discuss them, I may make a summary as time permits.
misplaced effortbutthurt cuz his super secret twitter conversations with super mean terrorist baddies was lame and boring without any real insight whatsoever.
this is crpg forum
you should check post times before making brilliant connections between threads
Here's a little something:
Pre-WWII, [The German Stickbundle-guy] found out about the New World Order and realized that it was basically Jews on some fucked up Satanic mission. Realizing how deep they were anchored into every single branch of human power, he became totally psycho-paranoid and made up his mind that ALL Jews had to be destroyed (genocide).
Nah of course its bullshit....(click to show/hide)
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Would be pretty ironic if its "Gods chosen people" that turns out to be the decisive power that is working against the entire human kind :lol:Good god you're retarded.
Holla back when we have everlasting peace. Oh wait, isn't that convenient, it's something you'll never be able to prove.