The Jews are at it again..

[Dooz]

This guy seems cool.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2014/08/04/israeli-general-no-civilians-in-gaza.html

[Admerius]

Listen to/read this
If anyone of you boycotts Sam Harris, then don't follow the link.

[BlindGuy]

http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/ndtv-exclusive-how-hamas-assembles-and-fires-rockets-571033?pfrom=home-lateststories

Well, that to me supports what I believe, but don't want to sound like a conspiracy nut: Isreali intelligence fires the majority of the rockets at Isreal.

[Turkhammer]

Well, that to me supports what I believe, but don't want to sound like a conspiracy nut: Isreali intelligence fires the majority of the rockets at Isreal.

Snicker, snort.  Tovi think is spreading.

[Murmillus_Prime]

It seems anyone condoning Israeli actions have no idea what happened before the rockets started firing...

Three Israeli teenagers kidnapped, no one knows who by or why, but Israel says Hamas did it, therefore it must be true.. (Like fuck) Israel then proceeded to round up hundreds of Palestinian men, as a result some Palestinians started protesting and then during some protests the Israeli army shot dead a couple of Palestinian teenagers, next the rockets started flying, and then children of Palestine started dying..

All this regardless of the fact Europeans in 1946 decided to invade, displace and kill the native inhabitants leading to an expanding permanent occupation right up until this day..

Fuck Israel's propaganda, FUCK Israel and anyone who believes its propaganda, just like the propaganda that claims Iran is building a nuclear bomb, fuck Israel.

(Also it has to be noted that prior to the kidnapping of the three Israeli teens, Hamas and Fatah signed an agreement to form a unity government, Israel didn't like this. Every time Israel has expanded its borders it has only done so through conflict, it cannot grab more land without a military pretext, therefore the status quo must be retained by Israel if it is to justify further land grabs and the subjugation of the remaining Palestinian enclaves.).. Geopolitics folks..

[Murmillus_Prime]

A good starting point would be to refer to the Israelis as ...just that ..Israelis.

The idea of a jewish state in those areas started long before WW2.
What became the state of Israel had a sizeable jewish population before WW2. Long before.

not pro-israel , but no need to paint it even darker than it already is.

The conflict is shitty from every angle...

Palestine had a Jewish population before the founding of the Israeli state.. Not ISRAEL as it never existed prior to WW2.

[Xant]

It seems anyone condoning Israeli actions have no idea what happened before the rockets started firing...

Three Israeli teenagers kidnapped, no one knows who by or why, but Israel says Hamas did it, therefore it must be true.. (Like fuck) Israel then proceeded to round up hundreds of Palestinian men, as a result some Palestinians started protesting and then during some protests the Israeli army shot dead a couple of Palestinian teenagers, next the rockets started flying, and then children of Palestine started dying..

All this regardless of the fact Europeans in 1946 decided to invade, displace and kill the native inhabitants leading to an expanding permanent occupation right up until this day..

Fuck Israel's propaganda, FUCK Israel and anyone who believes its propaganda, just like the propaganda that claims Iran is building a nuclear bomb, fuck Israel.

(Also it has to be noted that prior to the kidnapping of the three Israeli teens, Hamas and Fatah signed an agreement to form a unity government, Israel didn't like this. Every time Israel has expanded its borders it has only done so through conflict, it cannot grab more land without a military pretext, therefore the status quo must be retained by Israel if it is to justify further land grabs and the subjugation of the remaining Palestinian enclaves.).. Geopolitics folks..

You can say "fuck Israel" all you like, but Israel is going to win this conflict and they're going to get away with it.

[Murmillus_Prime]

You can say "fuck Israel" all you like, but Israel is going to win this conflict and they're going to get away with it.

No one is going to win the conflict ultimately. Every person who believes in the lies fed through the media and from government mouthpieces have lost, even if the lies led to those responsible ultimately claiming a military victory, humanity has already lost, the innocent have been killed and everyone just allowed it to happen.

[Xant]

No one is going to win the conflict ultimately. Every person who believes in the lies fed through the media and from government mouthpieces have lost, even if the lies led to those responsible ultimately claiming a military victory, humanity has already lost, the innocent have been killed and everyone just allowed it to happen.

Of course someone is going to win. Israel will achieve its victory conditions. That's how victory is defined.

[Murmillus_Prime]

Of course someone is going to win. Israel will achieve its victory conditions. That's how victory is defined.

How did our "victories" in Iraq and Afghanistan play out?

Political problems need political solutions, not military ones.

[Xant]

How did our "victories" in Iraq and Afghanistan play out?

Political problems need political solutions, not military ones.

It played out exactly as the politicians in charge wanted it to play out.

Political problems get solved with the military all the time. It's an extension of politics.

[Angantyr]

To Clausewitz perhaps, and other generals and politicians and their ilk, most of whom are clinical psychopaths. Not so much for ordinary people (the majority of the world's population) trying to get along or just survive.

[Xant]

For Clausewitz perhaps, and other generals and politicians and their ilk, most of whom are clinically psychopaths. Not so much for ordinary people (the majority of the World's population) trying to get along or just survive.

Violence is the supreme authority from which all other authority is derived.

[Angantyr]

That's the world we live in. My comment was a moral judgement, though, and an impression that war usually creates more problems than it solves. I've yet to see a benign war.

[Xant]

That's the world we live in. My comment was a moral judgement, though, and an impression that war usually creates more problems than it solves. I've yet to see a benign war.

The only way to stop violence is with violence. That's why wars are necessary.