The Jews are at it again..

[BlindGuy]

No, I ment that a US reply would be much more deadfull. It's not a question of "bad guys" and "good guys". All of you have a strange vision of states relationships. You always want to choose a side.

No, I don't want to choose any side, but only one side of that debate bomb UN peacekeeping convoys.

[Tibe]

Cuba once ownd all of Florida, then Canada and Australia came and took it from Cuba, GAVE it to the US, and the US declares its intent to take Cuba from the Cubans by any means possible. Cuba then fires some rockets that don't even make it halfway to US mainland before landing in the ocean, scaring some fish and a large octopus.

"They missed" isnt sufficent enough you know....

If someone pointed a gun at you and shot a few rounds, even if they missed, i highly doubt you would be in a forgiving state. "Dude I missed all my shots. That means we all good, right?"

[Beauchamp]

easy to pick sides, i go with the jews.

[Joseph Porta]

Out of self preservation, beauchamp?

[Latvian]

is this jew hating thread?

[BlindGuy]

"They missed" isnt sufficent enough you know....

If someone pointed a gun at you and shot a few rounds, even if they missed, i highly doubt you would be in a forgiving state. "Dude I missed all my shots. That means we all good, right?"

Not the same: Here is another analogy: Hamas firing rockets into Isreal is akin to Templar_Hoppster getting mad at me and trying to throw a rock from his house to mine: Its 3 miles. It isn't going to happen, it is no threat to me. If you think an apropriate reaction to that is for me to bomb his house, then your warped.

is this jew hating thread?

Well, probably, knowing Panos, but I have no beef with people for their fairytale belief nor for what they do to the penises of their young children, that is their business. I purely don't like the way the state of Isreal acts.

[Overdriven]

No, I ment that a US reply would be much more deadfull. It's not a question of "bad guys" and "good guys". All of you have a strange vision of states relationships. You always want to choose a side.

In this case the solution is simple : Hamas stop his rockets launchs and war ends. They play this tactic because they've lost all their support in Egypt. And Iran/Hezbollah are too busy in Syria. So that's a way to have more support from muslim world.

That's a pipe dream. If Hamas stopped the rocket launches then Israel would continue what they are doing with enroaching on Palestinian territory, slowly taking it over and persecuting any they can along the way.

Hamas have been 'playing this tactic' for years and years. It's no different now. The more concerning factor is that Israel have LESS reason for military action than they ever had before. Previously there were reasons behind it, largely political. Such as in 2012 they were trying to scare the Palestinians into withdrawing their attempt to be recognised in the UN. Now Israel seem to be just going for the land grab and attacking civilian targets for no other reason than 'lol we can'.

We also have to remember that there are two sides to the Palestinian territory with Hamas and the Gaza strip and the more peaceful West Bank. Both ultimately have the same objective though.

Heck Israel even built a bloody wall akin to the Berlin wall, but worse in terms of the effect it has.

[Tibe]

Not the same: Here is another analogy: Hamas firing rockets into Isreal is akin to Templar_Hoppster getting mad at me and trying to throw a rock from his house to mine: Its 3 miles. It isn't going to happen, it is no threat to me. If you think an apropriate reaction to that is for me to bomb his house, then your warped.

Well technically they are/were a threat. The rocketattacks have been going on since 2001. Killed over 50 people and injured over 1000s. Its just that by now nobody is building houses next to a possible bombingsite and some get blown up in the sky by the israelis before reaching the ground. If you compared these attacks to the way Israel retaliates to them, than yea, they are close to nothing.

[Overdriven]

Well technically they are/were a threat. The rocketattacks have been going on since 2001. Killed over 50 people and injured over 1000s. Its just that by now nobody is building houses next to a possible bombingsite and some get blown up in the sky by the israelis before reaching the ground. If you compared these attacks to the way Israel retaliates to them, than yea, they are close to nothing.

And the Israeli's always retaliate with undue force. 10x as many Palestinians are killed for every Israeli pretty much year on year.

I don't think Israel can really claim that their responses are ever within reason. The Palestinian threat is minimal even at its height.

[Panos_]

is this jew hating thread?

This aint a thread to bash/hate the Israelis, but yeah, I don`t like jews, because when Greece was occupied from the Ottomans, they  were oppresing Greeks alongside the Turks.


But you gotta love modern society, a man can curse and insult the Germans (example) 24/7, and no one will give a fuck, say something wrong about the Jews, and all hell breaks loose.

[Tovi]

That's a pipe dream. If Hamas stopped the rocket launches then Israel would continue what they are doing with enroaching on Palestinian territory, slowly taking it over and persecuting any they can along the way.

Hamas have been 'playing this tactic' for years and years. It's no different now. The more concerning factor is that Israel have LESS reason for military action than they ever had before. Previously there were reasons behind it, largely political. Such as in 2012 they were trying to scare the Palestinians into withdrawing their attempt to be recognised in the UN. Now Israel seem to be just going for the land grab and attacking civilian targets for no other reason than 'lol we can'.

We also have to remember that there are two sides to the Palestinian territory with Hamas and the Gaza strip and the more peaceful West Bank. Both ultimately have the same objective though.

Heck Israel even built a bloody wall akin to the Berlin wall, but worse in terms of the effect it has.

Not "lol we can", but could you show me a country in the world where public opinion would accept to be bombed with no reaction ? Israeli people just says : "bomb them or you are fired next election (or even before that) !".

[Beauchamp]

Out of self preservation, beauchamp?

rather out of preservation of "values" i prefer like: hard work, democracy, scientific research over those i dislike like: disrespect to human life, begging, sloth...

[Panos_]

rather out of preservation of "values" i prefer like: hard work, democracy, scientific, oppresion, fascism methods, murders research over those i dislike like: disrespect to human life, begging, sloth...

here mate, I added some "values" you forgot to mention regarding the Jews 

[Overdriven]

Not "lol we can", but could you show me a country in the world where public opinion would accept to be bombed with no reaction ? Israeli people just says : "bomb them or you are fired next election (or even before that) !".

Can you show me a country in the world that can get away with encroaching on and settling anothers territory without having some form of retaliation from the country it's trying to take over?

I'm afraid this largely comes down to Israel's responsibility. Building settlements and pinning in people in territory that is not there's. Persecuting and policing Palestinians for no reason than they are Palestinian.

Heck my wife spent half a year out there with the UK's department for development and just the fact that she had stepped foot in Palestine meant she had to be thoroughly searched and received the highest level of security warning on her passport. And that's with a UK passport.

[Tovi]

This aint a thread to bash/hate the Israelis, but yeah, I don`t like jews, because when Greece was occupied from the Ottomans, they  were oppresing Greeks alongside the Turks.


But you gotta love modern society, a man can curse and insult the Germans (example) 24/7, and no one will give a fuck, say something wrong about the Jews, and all hell breaks loose.

You seems to forgot that they have been persecuted by Turks in the begining of the 20th, like Armenians and Greeks. You're strange Panos. Your orthodox Pope literaly steals your country and you hate...jews because some shit centuries ago.