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Re: The Jews are at it again..
« Reply #285 on: August 08, 2014, 11:31:00 pm »
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The only way to stop violence is with violence. That's why wars are necessary.

A military solution did not resolve the Northern Islands civil war via the IRA and loyalists, a political solution did.

A military solution has not resolved most warring countries problems even as we speak, only political solutions and concessions can effectively bring about a lul in the bloodshed and peace.
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Re: The Jews are at it again..
« Reply #286 on: August 08, 2014, 11:39:14 pm »
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A military solution did not resolve the Northern Islands civil war via the IRA and loyalists, a political solution did.
And why do you think that particular political solution came to be?


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A military solution has not resolved most warring countries problems even as we speak, only political solutions and concessions can effectively bring about a lul in the bloodshed and peace.
If those countries are warring, clearly it wasn't a "military solution" but an attempted solution. Only military solutions can effectively bring about peace.
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Re: The Jews are at it again..
« Reply #287 on: August 08, 2014, 11:44:22 pm »
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And why do you think that particular political solution came to be?

If those countries are warring, clearly it wasn't a "military solution" but an attempted solution. Only military solutions can effectively bring about peace.

If a military solution has been sought due to political, religious, cultural differences and a military victory succeeds in stamping out the opposing side with the opposing views, the victor then has to rule over a populace whom will eventually clamour to overthrow that victorious regime due to its stifling of freedom of expression and political, religious and cultural wills and identity.

Military solutions have failed to bring about peace in the world Xant, thousands of years of nonstop conflict in human society is proof of this. Humans have a habit of finding new enemies after the old enemies have been defeated. The only peace we'll ever achieve through war is one in which we nuke ourselves to oblivion.
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Re: The Jews are at it again..
« Reply #288 on: August 09, 2014, 12:20:28 am »
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If a military solution has been sought due to political, religious, cultural differences and a military victory succeeds in stamping out the opposing side with the opposing views, the victor then has to rule over a populace whom will eventually clamour to overthrow that victorious regime due to its stifling of freedom of expression and political, religious and cultural wills and identity.

Military solutions have failed to bring about peace in the world Xant, thousands of years of nonstop conflict in human society is proof of this. Humans have a habit of finding new enemies after the old enemies have been defeated. The only peace we'll ever achieve through war is one in which we nuke ourselves to oblivion.
Romans didn't have much trouble out of Carthage after their military solution.

Military solutions have succeeded in bringing about peace in the world, Murmillus, thousands of years of peace in human society is proof of this.
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Re: The Jews are at it again..
« Reply #289 on: August 09, 2014, 12:26:38 am »
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Re: The Jews are at it again..
« Reply #290 on: August 09, 2014, 12:27:03 am »
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Re: The Jews are at it again..
« Reply #291 on: August 09, 2014, 12:27:18 am »
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Romans didn't have much trouble out of Carthage after their military solution.

Military solutions have succeeded in bringing about peace in the world, Murmillus, thousands of years of peace in human society is proof of this.

Come on Xant, that's complete bullshit. Name one nation which has been at peace, has not been involved in any form of warfare for thousands of years, go on. We've had two "world wars" in the past 100 years as it is.. You must be trolling now right?
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Re: The Jews are at it again..
« Reply #292 on: August 09, 2014, 12:44:01 am »
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Come on Xant, that's complete bullshit. Name one nation which has been at peace, has not been involved in any form of warfare for thousands of years, go on. We've had two "world wars" in the past 100 years as it is.. You must be trolling now right?
How about you name one nation which has been at peace for thousands of years with only these so-called "politics without violence" and no standing army, go on.

Your double standards are pretty amazing -- if every military solution ever hasn't been a 100% perfect success, then military solutions don't work. You even list specific instances where it didn't work out. Well, how about you apply that logic to your side of the argument?
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Re: The Jews are at it again..
« Reply #293 on: August 09, 2014, 01:28:18 am »
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How about you name one nation which has been at peace for thousands of years with only these so-called "politics without violence" and no standing army, go on.

Your double standards are pretty amazing -- if every military solution ever hasn't been a 100% perfect success, then military solutions don't work. You even list specific instances where it didn't work out. Well, how about you apply that logic to your side of the argument?

I don't have to Xant, my initial point was that humanity has been at conflict for thousands of years due to humanities preference toward utilising a military over political option. Rome's victory over Carthage didn't exactly secure the Roman empires future did it? They replaced one enemy with another.  You made an inane statement and I asked you to back it up, that's all.
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Re: The Jews are at it again..
« Reply #294 on: August 09, 2014, 01:53:10 am »
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I don't have to Xant, my initial point was that humanity has been at conflict for thousands of years due to humanities preference toward utilising a military over political option. Rome's victory over Carthage didn't exactly secure the Roman empires future did it? They replaced one enemy with another.  You made an inane statement and I asked you to back it up, that's all.
And you've never backed up your initial point.

Rome's victory over Carthage secured Rome's victory over Carthage. What else are you expecting? Them to read some Hidden Scroll of Untold Power that makes them all immortal and transforms them into the Eternal Empire of Glory? You're the one making inane, childish statements without being able to back them up. People die, all things end - this might come as a surprise to you.
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Re: The Jews are at it again..
« Reply #295 on: August 09, 2014, 02:55:04 am »
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And you've never backed up your initial point.

Rome's victory over Carthage secured Rome's victory over Carthage. What else are you expecting? Them to read some Hidden Scroll of Untold Power that makes them all immortal and transforms them into the Eternal Empire of Glory? You're the one making inane, childish statements without being able to back them up. People die, all things end - this might come as a surprise to you.

My initial point doesn't need backing Xant, humans have been at war with each other for thousands of years, because war was preferred over diplomacy, because military options were sought rather than political ones, that was my original point, it doesn't need backing because it's the state of our reality. Where as your statement was contrary to reality and therefore had to be challenged. Instead of meeting the challenge and actually proving your point you've just gone down a slippery slope of diversionary behaviour, trying to get me to prove something that mankind has proven since the birth of civilisation, it's in the history books Xant.

And yes Xant, we all die. But do people have to die in wars? What did wars ever do for humanity other than teach us how to kill one another more efficiently? (And no please don't give me a list of appliances which derived from war technology and research, I'm well aware of military applications which were adapted for domestic use.) Where is the permanent solution warfare can bring if by defeating one opponent you only face another because you used the same tactics which means you're guaranteed to find yourself in another conflict and thus not living in peace?
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Re: The Jews are at it again..
« Reply #296 on: August 09, 2014, 11:50:12 am »
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Where is the permanent solution warfare can bring if by defeating one opponent you only face another because you used the same tactics which means you're guaranteed to find yourself in another conflict and thus not living in peace?
Your "if" is incorrect.
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Re: The Jews are at it again..
« Reply #297 on: August 09, 2014, 12:36:00 pm »
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Most of the Carthaginians were either killed or turned slave though. Not exactly the kind of "peace"  people desire.
I do agree with you though that every country needs an army or means to hurt one another.
A couple of years back there was a guy stating that the western powers shouldn't be trying to restrict nuclear devices to specific countries. If everyone had a nuke, nobody would be willing to attack each other due to the fear of the other launching the nuke. But that might result in more covert stuff like the Cold War.

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Re: The Jews are at it again..
« Reply #298 on: August 09, 2014, 12:43:55 pm »
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Most of the Carthaginians were either killed or turned slave though. Not exactly the kind of "peace"  people desire.
I do agree with you though that every country needs an army or means to hurt one another.
A couple of years back there was a guy stating that the western powers shouldn't be trying to restrict nuclear devices to specific countries. If everyone had a nuke, nobody would be willing to attack each other due to the fear of the other launching the nuke. But that might result in more covert stuff like the Cold War.
They were all killed or turned into slaves. It was a very, very effective solution for Rome. Was it moral? That's another matter entirely.
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Re: The Jews are at it again..
« Reply #299 on: August 09, 2014, 01:07:42 pm »
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In modern day society that wouldn't work at all though. First of all its impossible to get rid of most people of a specific country and secondly the vast majority of people on this planet are against that sort of thing. Any country that would do that would face severe consequences, both internal and external.