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Title: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Nightmare798 on June 30, 2014, 08:59:33 pm
Can someone explain why the fuck is this goty 2011? Sure graphics and environments are nice, but thats it.

The combat is godawful, I bad mouthed dark souls 2 combat for being clumsy, but this game...OH HOLY SWEET JESUS THIS GAME!!!
It made me weep. 2011 and game devs have not yet figured out how to give players some proper melee combat experience. Mount and blade warband combat may be a bit buggy, but it shits all over the Skyrim combat.

The story is non existent. And so forgetable, that all I can remember is some shit about dragonborn and how dragons have re-apeared. No game before made worse first impression on me like this game did.

Overall, this game is glorified benchmarking tool, sorta like Crysis (except that choking gooks was at least a bit fun).



Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Christo on June 30, 2014, 09:12:19 pm
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Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Oberyn on June 30, 2014, 09:50:11 pm
Skyrim is only worth playing with at least a dozen mods. Vanilla is pretty meh. I enjoyed it first time around but that was as a sneaky archer, the melee combat is just bad. Mod priority should be any of the ones that modify combat. Also dragon mods, they are pathetic in vanilla, they should be terrifying encounters not routine.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Nehvar on June 30, 2014, 10:02:42 pm
Yeah, I agree with most everything you said.  It was pretty damn awful all things considered.  Skyrim only made GOTY, in my opinion, because the video-game market is now driven primarily by the casual gamer demographic;  and casual gamers are very easy to impress.  With the simplicity of the market at large many developers just don't feel the need to spend a lot of time working on their story or gameplay anymore.  So what we get is, more often than not, a polished turd.  Those who can still remember how video games used to be recognize it as a turd right away.  The majority of "gamers", however, only care that it is sparkly on the outside.

I don't expect this trend to change any time soon.  In a decade or so all you'll have to do to get the price of a video game out of the average gamer is jingle your keys in front of their face.  I can only hope that respectable studios like CD Projekt Red will manage to stay the course and continue to bring us games with good stories and gameplay.  I'm paranoid, though, of the shit-juggernauts like EA and Ubisoft buying them up and raping their IP's (think Mass Effect and Dragon Age).


[To anyone reading this that thinks this viewpoint sounds arrogant or offensive...fuck you fucking fuck for helping to ruin one of the few hobbies in this world that I enjoy.  I hope your "mother" gets testicular cancer.]

Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Smoothrich on June 30, 2014, 10:25:32 pm
[To anyone reading this that thinks this viewpoint sounds arrogant or offensive...fuck you fucking fuck for helping to ruin one of the few hobbies in this world that I enjoy.  I hope your "mother" gets testicular cancer.]

It's not arrogant or offensive, just sounds pathetically spergy. Get a girlfriend you sad nerd.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Tibe on June 30, 2014, 10:32:26 pm
I liked it. Say what you will about the combat and everything, but I had my fun. Same say basically every other person that has played it and ive talked to. The shittalking has started now, years later, when everyones overplayed it.

I think you are really undermining it for no reason Nehvar. I wouldnt call it a "polished turd" and for simple minded casual gamers.  I agree, its not as great as it first appeared and its definately not the greatest game ever made, but really, compare it to any other game ever made and its more than solid. You cant really name a lot of open world games that are better than Skyrim. You cant really blame anyone for it being simple either. Cant throw sophisticated complex games like "Dwarf fortress" in the market and expect a gigantic profit or even a small handshake. Even Morrowind is too much for most people's patience.

And lol Nightmare. You played Skyrim now? And you are shitmouthing about combat? The combat was same shit back in Oblivion so that was no suprise to noone. Man you really live in a cave dont you.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Grumbs on June 30, 2014, 10:34:52 pm
Don't think Elder Scrolls games ever had good combat. Its more about the open world (go where you like, do what you want), immersive environment, stuff like that

Main issue I have playing Skyrim is how much junk you collect and then having to manage it all in a house. Too much loot
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Banok on June 30, 2014, 11:16:18 pm
It was immersive and fun despite its flaws. Besides what else was there? (darksouls wasn't out on PC). There is almost no competition in the RPG space.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Xant on June 30, 2014, 11:34:33 pm
It was great.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Kafein on June 30, 2014, 11:47:05 pm
Morrowind had even worse combat, and it didn't prevent it from being one of if not the best open world RPG ever, something Skyrim is not and never could be. I think talking about combat is valid criticism against Skyrim, however there are many more important flaws in that game.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Joseph Porta on June 30, 2014, 11:55:20 pm
Take gaming less seriuz yo. Enjoy the mountain ridges yo.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Smoothrich on July 01, 2014, 12:10:04 am
Play Fallout: New Vegas instead.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Gravoth_iii on July 01, 2014, 12:19:54 am
It was immersive untill you got attacked by a dragon that dies within a minute. Oh and then another dragon spawns every 3 minutes.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Nightmare798 on July 01, 2014, 12:37:26 am
its definately not the greatest game ever made, but really, compare it to any other game ever made and its more than solid.

I can see that there has been good ammount of effort put into the graphics, but that is it. The main problem is, that they went once again with modified gamebryo. Gamebryo was fucking outdated after fallout 3 came out, let alone 2011. It is the same as it was with Dragon age origins, that used neverwinter nights engine (simplistic dungeons and dragons engine). But Dragon age made up for it with outstanding story telling, lenght and lore.

This game has awful story presentation (maybe the lore is solid). Sure it may be fun to some to run around huge landscape, exploring for caves and hideouts, bagging everything you can. But it quickly becomes repetitive, especially with combat in such state it is as of now.

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You cant really name a lot of open world games that are better than Skyrim. You cant really blame anyone for it being simple either. Cant throw sophisticated complex games like "Dwarf fortress" in the market and expect a gigantic profit or even a small handshake. Even Morrowind is too much for most people's patience.

Two worlds series, risen, gothic series, assasins creed series...
I have played many open world games, and most of them kept me going.

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And lol Nightmare. You played Skyrim now? And you are shitmouthing about combat? The combat was same shit back in Oblivion so that was no suprise to noone. Man you really live in a cave dont you.

Combat in oblivion was shit, and it was shit too in morrowind (I liked the equipment system in morrowind though, it was awesome). I did not say that I particluarly enjoyed any game in the Elder scrolls series, but this game was the GOTY, the supposedly uber awesome game. The game that nobody dared to give 9/10 or less, for the fear that rabid fanboys would burn down their house and kill their family. Unfortunatelly, I cant really say that I approve most of the review scores games get nowadays.

Difference in this game and any earlier elder scrolls installment is, that none of them were supposedly the best game of the year they were released.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Nightmare798 on July 01, 2014, 12:42:14 am
Play Fallout: New Vegas instead.

I tried. for some reason this game runs worse on my system than Battlefield 3 and assasins creed revelations.

EDIT: Sorry, double posted.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Xant on July 01, 2014, 02:52:31 am
DA:O didn't use same engine as NWN. Nightmare spewing bullshit again.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Havoco on July 01, 2014, 03:29:59 am
Skyrim shouldn't have a clear cut story presentation. Part of the open world element is that u have a wide range of things to do. If u just played through the main story and calling it shit ur missing 80% of the game. There r ppl that have played it for 40+ hours  just exploring and doing random shit without doing any quests. The only thing I could agree with is the combat, but I think they would've done a better job on that too if the game wasn't in a fantasy setting with magic and dragons etc.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Christo on July 01, 2014, 03:38:36 am
There r ppl that have played it for 40+ hours  just exploring and doing random shit without doing any quests.

And that would be me.

The only quests I did were the ones I have randomly stumbled into and found interesting or rewarding.. well not really rewarding in the end, but yeah.

I didn't even get to High Hrothgar in my own savegames, ever.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Tibe on July 01, 2014, 05:26:10 am
Two worlds series, risen, gothic series, assasins creed series...
I have played many open world games, and most of them kept me going.
Well now. I dont really have to explain why you are wrong any further. Two worlds, risen, gothic and assassins creed are better than skyrim? Man you really have no taste do you. Risen and Gothic are exactly the same garbage with even worse combat and crappy story. Especially Risen. Two worlds 1 is utter shit and AC is basically for sheep at this point. Two Worlds 2 was good thou. I somewhat agree on that. And really man you are wrong about the scoregiving. They werent scared of the fanboys. Belive it or not people did like the game. Even the most critical truth telling critics rated it high. Like Angry Joe and Zero Punctuation. And if you have watched their reviews they have no issues on utterly shitting on massive fanbases if the game really is shit. In which case its not. Its just your personal lack of taste which you are trying to shift to some mainstreamgaming issue to make yourself look cool. I can respect honest criticism. Skyrim aint that good, its got flaws and its not for everybody. But what you are doing is just being horribly wrong.

DA:O didn't use same engine as NWN. Nightmare spewing bullshit again.
Lol seriuslly Nightmare. Atleast do us the courtesy of googeling before giving totally false info. I dont think he knows what an engine is. By god we once caught him not understanding the difference between a gif and a jpg. This would not suprise. :lol:

Difference in this game and any earlier elder scrolls installment is, that none of them were supposedly the best game of the year they were released.
Also I think you are overexaggerating the importance of the GOTY title. It doesnt really mean "best game of the year". There is no such thing as the "worlds greatest game this year" title. As it appears thats what you think, otherwise you wouldnt really care about it, like mostly most people who know what a GOTY is. Shitton of websites and awardshows give out their own games of the year for different categories. Skyrim mybe won in few important pages in its own category, so Bethesda used that for marketing and made a GOTY edition which is a fully patched dlcd version of the game. Nothing more. Thats it. Again, thing you would have known if you had the ability to google.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Christo on July 01, 2014, 05:28:56 am
Well now. I dont really have to explain why you are wrong any further. Two worlds, risen, gothic and assassins creed are better than skyrim? Man you really have no taste do you. Risen and Gothic are exactly the same garbage with even worse combat and crappy story. Especially Risen. Two worlds 1 is utter shit and AC is basically for sheep at this point. Two Worlds 2 was good thou. I somewhat agree on that. And really man you are wrong about the scoregiving. They werent scared of the fanboys. Belive it or not people did like the game. Even the most critical truth telling critics rated it high. Like Angry Joe and Zero Punctuation. And if you have watched their reviews they have no issues on utterly shitting on massive fanbases if the game really is shit. In which case its not. Its just your personal lack of taste which you are trying to shift to some mainstreamgaming issue to make yourself look cool. I can respect honest criticism. Skyrim aint that good, its got flaws and its not for everybody. But what you are doing is just being horribly wrong.

Plus, people got over this in 2011 when it came out already. This is what mods are for.

When I played I wanted to be a mage guy but offensive magic in the game was so shit when the game was new, ended up with illusionist stuff, man that was broken fun as hell. The calm / backstab combo  :lol: Also making people fight eachother while you hide in a dark corner  :mrgreen:

There must be a crapton of mods now that improve magic anyway, especially destruction tree because it sucked as the game scaled up.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Tibe on July 01, 2014, 05:36:40 am
Sneakymage with the magic sneak multiplier mod and silent casting skill yo. Shoot a gigantic icespear through a bandits face from the shadows.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: SixThumbs on July 01, 2014, 06:11:59 am
Let me get my time machine.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Christo on July 01, 2014, 08:06:44 am
Let me get my time machine.
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  :mrgreen:


Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Molly on July 01, 2014, 08:24:04 am
Witcher 1 used the Aurora engine from NwN. You got that mixed up. (http://piv.pivpiv.dk/)
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Gatsby on July 01, 2014, 10:07:24 am
Bethesda doesn't know the meaning of consequences unfortunately, so it can't create a decent rpg. Skyrim is just good to look at and that's all imo, but if u search for a real rpg game, well search somewhere else.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Vibe on July 01, 2014, 10:24:11 am
I don't know, some parts were good but I got bored of it quite fast. The dungeons are quite generic and become very repetitive because they all feel so similar. It's great for the open world but not so much for everything else.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Xant on July 01, 2014, 10:41:30 am
I loved Skyrim for the first week and played it a LOT. Certainly worth the money; just got super bored after completing the main quest.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Teeth on July 01, 2014, 11:20:28 am
How is Skyrim a good open world game? It has this huge open world with really good looking environments, granted, but all you do in there is talk to people and then they tell you to get into a dungeon where you walk in the same environment for two hours, fight slight variations of the same enemy for two hours to retrieve some shit you don't cares about and bring it back to the guy you don't care about. The dungeon focused gameplay is just incredibly lazy. It makes the world very unconvincing as there is just jack shit going on on the surface. Something which for example Fallout New Vegas did a lot better. I enjoyed Skyrim for about 20 hours after which I rushed myself through the main quest to see if the story went anywhere, it didn't.

I personally got good hopes that the Witcher 3 might to demonstrate what a good open world RPG actually means, if they do then it should quickly become clear that Skyrim definitely is not one.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Xant on July 01, 2014, 11:41:52 am
The conversations and how they work were always TES's weak point. Witcher does conversations well and as a consequence the world feels way more alive.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Tibe on July 01, 2014, 12:00:23 pm
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Arent all open world games like this?
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Pestdoktor on July 01, 2014, 12:03:29 pm
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>shitting on Gothic and Risen
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Teeth on July 01, 2014, 12:34:13 pm
Arent all open world games like this?
What, spending most your time in underground corridors instead of actually in the open world? No they are not.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Nightmare798 on July 01, 2014, 03:29:40 pm
DA:O didn't use same engine as NWN. Nightmare spewing bullshit again.

It uses eclypse engine, which is an updated version of odyssey, which is itself updated aurora, the engine used in neverwinter nights series. It is the same with Skyrim. They took gamebryo, painted it blue, and called it creation engine (with havok addons). They did not build up completely new engine from the scratch for DAO, which is why it feels so archaic and outdated, and it is the same with Skyrim.

Those two games are prime examples of newgen (yes I know that 2011 games cannot be called newgen by today standarts, but I think you get the point) games built on outdated engines.

Well now. I dont really have to explain why you are wrong any further. Two worlds, risen, gothic and assassins creed are better than skyrim? Man you really have no taste do you. Risen and Gothic are exactly the same garbage with even worse combat and crappy story. Especially Risen. Two worlds 1 is utter shit and AC is basically for sheep at this point. Two Worlds 2 was good thou. I somewhat agree on that. And really man you are wrong about the scoregiving. They werent scared of the fanboys. Belive it or not people did like the game. Even the most critical truth telling critics rated it high. Like Angry Joe and Zero Punctuation. And if you have watched their reviews they have no issues on utterly shitting on massive fanbases if the game really is shit. In which case its not. Its just your personal lack of taste which you are trying to shift to some mainstreamgaming issue to make yourself look cool. I can respect honest criticism. Skyrim aint that good, its got flaws and its not for everybody. But what you are doing is just being horribly wrong.
Lol seriuslly Nightmare. Atleast do us the courtesy of googeling before giving totally false info. I dont think he knows what an engine is. By god we once caught him not understanding the difference between a gif and a jpg. This would not suprise. :lol:
Also I think you are overexaggerating the importance of the GOTY title. It doesnt really mean "best game of the year". There is no such thing as the "worlds greatest game this year" title. As it appears thats what you think, otherwise you wouldnt really care about it, like mostly most people who know what a GOTY is. Shitton of websites and awardshows give out their own games of the year for different categories. Skyrim mybe won in few important pages in its own category, so Bethesda used that for marketing and made a GOTY edition which is a fully patched dlcd version of the game. Nothing more. Thats it. Again, thing you would have known if you had the ability to google.


I might have replied seriously to you, but when I read you calling gothic series shit along with risen, I feel I would just waste my time with trying to show you the way out of dark depths of your ignorance and stupidity.

And for fucks sake Tibe, try to make your post a little more reading friendly, That wall of text made me feel like I should recieve some kind of cash reward just for reading through that pile of crap.

EDIT: what the fuck? Did I seriously call it embryo? My bad guys, I meant gamebryo, I dont know what was I thinking...


Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Tibe on July 01, 2014, 04:49:48 pm
I might have replied seriously to you, but when I read you calling gothic series shit along with risen, I feel I would just waste my time with trying to show you the way out of dark depths of your ignorance and stupidity.
The only one in that depth is you. For quite some time it has been only you. Risen was shit. Gothic 1 and 2 was good. 3 was utter shit and 4 was also garbage. I mean common man. You keep talking about deep combat mechanics and plots and than you bring up fucking Risen, Gothic and Assassins creed. 3 gameseries with legendarly crappy combat and stupid plots. They are not better than skyrim and in general they arent even considered as good games by the majority of people that have played them. Every reviewer and gamer would say the same(mybe not about AC). Gothic 1 and 2 are good and so is Two worlds. But thats it.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Clockworkkiller on July 01, 2014, 05:36:32 pm
Oh look someone who plays mount&blade and thus thinks that everything that isn't mount&blade is complete shit.



But yea, elder scrolls always have shit combat, still great games though. Call me a filthy casual but I fucking love skyrim
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Nightmare798 on July 01, 2014, 05:54:01 pm
The only one in that depth is you. For quite some time it has been only you. Risen was shit. Gothic 1 and 2 was good. 3 was utter shit and 4 was also garbage. I mean common man. You keep talking about deep combat mechanics and plots and than you bring up fucking Risen, Gothic and Assassins creed. 3 gameseries with legendarly crappy combat and stupid plots. They are not better than skyrim and in general they arent even considered as good games by the majority of people that have played them. Every reviewer and gamer would say the same(mybe not about AC). Gothic 1 and 2 are good and so is Two worlds. But thats it.

AC2 has better fucking plot than anything skyrim could ever pull off. The problem is that you are fanboy, and thus completely ignorant to any other good open world games ever released.

Sorry to break it for you, but skyrim is by far one of the most boring games ever. The plot is incredibly dumb and inconsistent. You dis risen? Man who the fuck are you kidding here? You dis good game and call tourist trekking: cleptomania unleashed as superior game? And your comment about me not knowing what game engine is, is laughable, especially when you are the one who mistook RAM memory for GPU memory some time ago. You are just another die hard fanboy. Point one thing out that is good in skyrim other than graphics. I dare you.

Oh look someone who plays mount&blade and thus thinks that everything that isn't mount&blade is complete shit.



But yea, elder scrolls always have shit combat, still great games though. Call me a filthy casual but I fucking love skyrim

You completely missed my point. I said that skyrim is in fact horrible game, and in one of my points why, I said that it has one of worst combat systems ever seen, listing Mount and blade combat system as completely superior.

Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Osiris on July 01, 2014, 06:07:55 pm
oh god AC is literally the worst thing i have ever played :D

I did love Oblivion as it had a sense of fun (fighting trolls inside a painting ftw) and wasn't just dark brooding nonstop fucking ice like skyrim.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Clockworkkiller on July 01, 2014, 06:11:13 pm

Fuck it, son
you're retarded
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Nightmare798 on July 01, 2014, 06:13:25 pm
Fuck it, son
you're retarded

You are the one unable to comprehend the fact that I did not state mount and blade as superior to every other game ever made...

Do you even read bro?

oh god AC is literally the worst thing i have ever played :D

I did love Oblivion as it had a sense of fun (fighting trolls inside a painting ftw) and wasn't just dark brooding nonstop fucking ice like skyrim.

Read fighting as deliberatelly left clicking them to death.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Tibe on July 01, 2014, 06:15:08 pm
AC2 has better fucking plot than anything skyrim could ever pull off. The problem is that you are fanboy, and thus completely ignorant to any other good open world games ever released.
Sorry to break it for you, but skyrim is by far one of the most boring games ever. The plot is incredibly dumb and inconsistent. You dis risen? Man who the fuck are you kidding here? You dis good game and call tourist trekking: cleptomania unleashed as superior game? And your comment about me not knowing what game engine is, is laughable, especially when you are the one who mistook RAM memory for GPU memory some time ago. You are just another die hard fanboy. Point one thing out that is good in skyrim other than graphics. I dare you.
What makes u think im a fanboy? Im not really that into TES at all. I hated Morrowind, I kinda liked Oblivion and I also kinda like Skyrim. Just cause im stating that you are wrong and I kinda like the game does not make me a blinded fanboy. Do you even know what a fanboy is? Id understand if I talked about it a lot and wore a t-shirt and called it the greatest game ever made...none that I have done btw. Id say fair enough if you compared it to some better games. But bloody Risen, Gothic and AC? I dont even..... Its like you picked the worst comparisons ever. I couldnt even pick any worse if I tried. :D
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Nightmare798 on July 01, 2014, 06:20:38 pm
What makes u think im a fanboy? Im not really that into TES at all. I hated Morrowind, I kinda liked Oblivion and I also kinda like Skyrim. Just cause im stating that you are wrong and I kinda like the game does not make me a blinded fanboy. Do you even know what a fanboy is? Id understand if I talked about it a lot and wore a t-shirt and called it the greatest game ever made...none that I have done btw. Id say fair enough if you compared it to some better games. But bloody Risen, Gothic and AC? I dont even..... Its like you picked the worst comparisons ever. I couldnt even pick any worse if I tried. :D

You did not even state what is better about skyrim yes you already call superior games bad. I cant help but to laugh...
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Tibe on July 01, 2014, 06:27:53 pm
Then you will be laughing alone. I thought you told me to lighten the text on my posts so I did. Im pretty sure its you and only tasteless you that thinks these games are superior. Mybe very few others. Now im definately right about this one. And it has nothing to do with this "fanboyism" you so like to blame.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Joseph Porta on July 01, 2014, 06:34:06 pm
M&B combat + open world would be the fucking master race of masterace games of all master race games that are masterrace games

Gieb mbg
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Molly on July 01, 2014, 06:45:20 pm
Risen was god damn awful and Gothic 3 is only "playable" thanks to community patches ages after its release...
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Nightmare798 on July 01, 2014, 06:51:39 pm
Then you will be laughing alone. I thought you told me to lighten the text on my posts so I did. Im pretty sure its you and only tasteless you that thinks these games are superior. Mybe very few others. Now im definately right about this one. And it has nothing to do with this "fanboyism" you so like to blame.

I am starting to get seisure reading this crap. Several post of yours and you could not list a single reason why would skyrim even pass as good, let alone 9/10 game.

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Now im definately right about this one.

No you are definitelly wrong about that one.



Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Nightmare798 on July 01, 2014, 06:52:59 pm
Risen was god damn awful and Gothic 3 is only "playable" thanks to community patches ages after its release...

Listen to yourself.

¨risen was awful¨

Yet not even one valid point to back that up. But yeah, ALL ABOARD THE FANTRAIN!!!
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Molly on July 01, 2014, 06:57:01 pm
The story was boring, the combat clumsy and unresponsive and it looked like crap on top if it... That's good enough?
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Tibe on July 01, 2014, 07:00:54 pm
Towns are nice, world map is cool, sneak archery is hilarious, the soundacting is funny(Skyrim is filled with schwarzeneggers), magic was fun to experiment with, crafting is cool, mods are awesome, the armors look nice, exploration is cool, some of the quests were quite awesome(like the I got drunk and married a buttugly Hagraven witch and my drinking buddy turned out to be a daedric prince who got me drunk so he could make fun of me), themesong is epic, some of the lore is rather engaging, combat is bad, but it aint that awful, dragonfights were quite cool(at the time and the first ones).

Risen is not a good game and you are alone in this. Either everyones wrong or you are right. Generally you are wrong. And whats with this fantrainthing again? Dont you really have any valid points yourself, beond that lame "fan" assumption?
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Nightmare798 on July 01, 2014, 07:02:56 pm
The story was boring, the combat clumsy and unresponsive and it looked like crap on top if it... That's good enough?

What was boring about the story? The combat clumsy and unresponsive? Worked well for me. Time to update either your senses and reaction time, or your machine. Looked like crap? In what manner?
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Molly on July 01, 2014, 07:06:24 pm
What was boring about the story? The combat clumsy and unresponsive? Worked well for me. Time to update either your senses and reaction time, or your machine. Looked like crap? In what manner?
Why should I say more about my points?
You just throw your reasons without any backing around too.
Did you ever come to the idea that you can not objectively speak about a game? Probably not.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Tibe on July 01, 2014, 07:08:55 pm
Sweep the dust from my floor quest? Haha I almost forgot about that one. Nightmares favorite game everyone.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Banok on July 01, 2014, 07:14:25 pm
The story was boring, the combat clumsy and unresponsive and it looked like crap on top if it... That's good enough?

when you say that what other open world RPGs around 2011 are you comparing it to?

Two worlds 2? Risen? fable 3? dragon age 2? don't make me laugh.

seriously what open world rpg has better story, combat and graphics?

witcher 2 comes close it has good story and graphics, but is not an open world (it's bilinear) and remarkably has even worse combat.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Osiris on July 01, 2014, 07:18:26 pm
guys just remember nightmare is like xant their opinions are superior. Agree with his opinions or your a stupid fanboy retard who knows nothing etc etc something along those lines.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Banok on July 01, 2014, 07:21:27 pm
PS: dark brotherhood quests were awesome.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Nightmare798 on July 01, 2014, 07:27:26 pm
Towns are nice, world map is cool, sneak archery is hilarious, the soundacting is funny(Skyrim is filled with swanzernegers), magic was fun to experiment with, crafting is cool, mods are awesome, the armors look nice, exploration is cool, some of the quests were quite awesome(like the I got drunk and married a buttugly Hagraven witch and my drinking buddy turned out to be a daedric prince who got me drunk so he could make fun of me), themesong is epic, some of the lore is rather engaging, combat is bad, but it aint that awful, dragonfights were quite cool(at the time and the first ones).

Risen is not a good game and you are alone in this. Either everyones wrong or you are right. Generally you are wrong. And whats with this fantrainthing again? Dont you really have any valid points yourself, beond that lame "fan" assumption?

Sneak archery is hilarious? That is not a valid point. Sneak archery is sneak archery, you kill stuff from afar without being noticed. Voice acting is funny? Well woohoo, repeating 1 joke of ¨I was once an X like you but then I caught an Y to my Z¨ is sure funny after hearing it 20 times in 5 minute span. Exploration is cool? Exploration in fallout 3 was cool. But no, not there. Mods are no reason to call game good. We are talking about the game itself here. As far as I know, skyrim does not get shipped with mods.

That quest thingy you mentioned I admit sounds great. Too bad all I got was just metric fuckton of ¨Go there, kill X and bring me the Y I need.¨ I remember that in risen, there were quests like dealing drugs to people, tailing, robbing a blacksmith of his precious weapon, then trying to verbally beat as much gold out of him as you can. Or that quest where you blackmail a butcher by killing his cow and stuffing its dead head into the butchers bed godfather style.

That game had over 250 quests and maybe like 15 were fetch quests. And you actually had to use your wits to get the most of every quest you did.

Theme song is epic? Sorry mate, but that theme has nothing on music japanese soundtrack composers were dishing out last 15 years.





Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Tibe on July 01, 2014, 07:34:25 pm
You really are like Xant, except you are just retarded. Theres literally no point in this. And whenever I let some of your retardoremarks slide, you consider it as if I lacked awnsers and gloat about it like you won the argument.... I could argue with u indefinately. Will I? Nah... I had my fun.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Nightmare798 on July 01, 2014, 07:35:35 pm
Sweep the dust from my floor quest? Haha I almost forgot about that one. Nightmares favorite game everyone.

Actually, it was pretty original quest. It was there so you can immerse yourself into the point of view of novice who respected by nobody, to the point they give him such tasks as sweeping. It was there to reflect the hard life and constant labour novices have to endure to earn their meal and study lectures every day, and to teach them humility and patience. Honestly what did everyone expect when they joined monastery? That they will tell you ¨yeah cool, come here and we will teach you every spell of every circle¨  without asking anything in return?

Like really people....

And btw joe played shitty inferior my old friendbox version, as I stated before. No wonder he did not like it, I wouldnt either.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Nightmare798 on July 01, 2014, 07:41:15 pm
You really are like Xant, except you are just retarded. Theres literally no point in this. And whenever I let some of your retardoremarks slide, you consider it as if I lacked awnsers and gloat about it like you won the argument.... I could argue with u indefinately. Will I? Nah... I had my fun.

There is a point. The point is that there are solid proofs of skyrim being most overrated and mediocre game of 2011 right before your eyes, but you suffer too much from fanboyphilis to see any reason. This game does not deserve the rating it gets, and once again, players thorough the world chose to favour over rated piece of shit over titles that have dedication behind their development.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Molly on July 01, 2014, 07:51:45 pm
when you say that what other open world RPGs around 2011 are you comparing it to?

Two worlds 2? Risen? fable 3? dragon age 2? don't make me laugh.

seriously what open world rpg has better story, combat and graphics?

witcher 2 comes close it has good story and graphics, but is not an open world (it's bilinear) and remarkably has even worse combat.
Just to clarify: I was talking about Risen.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: [ptx] on July 01, 2014, 08:06:14 pm
Risen wasn't awful, what the fuck? It was better than Gothic 3, anyway, and a passable sequel to Gothic 2. Risen 2 shouldn't have happened. Even so, i found Gothic/Risen series to have much more replayability than Skyrim, due to having more actual freedom in the way you can interact with various chars. Also, factions.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Piok on July 01, 2014, 08:36:59 pm
What I really hated on skyrim was leveling.
Lvl 1-5 everything could kill you.
Lvl 5-10 you are feeling like a boss obliterating everything.
Lvl 15-20 every bandit you encounter is killing you.
Lvl 20-25 back on horse.
Lvl 25 - .. first encounter with ancient dragon... die horrible in first fireball... :shock:
..seeking for some leveling mod :(


What is this good for this leveling only for nice feeling of higher lvl number?

At least bandits don't have full glass armor sets on them like in oblivion.
Why to be bandit when one can sell his armor and live like lord :?
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Thryn on July 01, 2014, 08:43:22 pm
I'm a firm believer in TES, but ffs combat needs an overhaul. They overhauled magic for skyrim and bows could be fun sometimes, but melee was autistic. If you've ever played Morrowind, you can see that the only thing that has changed from 2002 to 2011 in melee is that when you hit something, it actually hits it now.

I'm waiting for Witcher III.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Banok on July 01, 2014, 11:01:22 pm
Ok forgive me risen fans, for I have sinned. I haven't actually played it so shouldn't have slagged it off, but to be fair from footage ive seen I just assumed it was terrible. maybe i'll check it out, still doubt it will compare to TES.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Thryn on July 01, 2014, 11:07:10 pm
Ok forgive me risen fans, for I have sinned. I haven't actually played it so shouldn't have slagged it off, but to be fair from footage ive seen I just assumed it was terrible. maybe i'll check it out, still doubt it will compare to TES.

go and play right now fgt
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Kafein on July 02, 2014, 11:51:39 am
It's weird, I didn't played it that long but Risen doesn't seem that terrible. It has nice actual open world elements in it.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Berserkadin on July 02, 2014, 06:11:05 pm
Well, when one is talking about Gothic, one usually means Gothic I and II. Fuck fancy graphic when you got a huge open world filled with ruthless, deadly enemies whom will rape your sorry, white ass if you try to act hard, and noone will be there to hold your hand, telling you what to do, nothing is handed to you for free. Gothic I and II is those kind of games where you really feel like you've accomplished something when you beat em. And it got a sweet combat system.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: enigmatic_stranger on July 02, 2014, 06:59:44 pm
Gothic I and II are among the greatest fucking treasures humanity have. Just saying.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Nightmare798 on July 02, 2014, 07:23:33 pm
Well, when one is talking about Gothic, one usually means Gothic I and II. Fuck fancy graphic when you got a huge open world filled with ruthless, deadly enemies whom will rape your sorry, white ass if you try to act hard, and noone will be there to hold your hand, telling you what to do, nothing is handed to you for free. Gothic I and II is those kind of games where you really feel like you've accomplished something when you beat em. And it got a sweet combat system.

Yeah, gothic 2 was pretty hard. But holy shit NOTR was hardcore. I cant remember how many times I died because my opponent got a lucky critical :D

Anyways, there is probably no point in telling new-gen kids how much has the development quality standtard detoriated over the course of gaming history, because they simply dont know any better.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Tibe on July 02, 2014, 07:43:02 pm
Jup, Gothic was very good. Gothic 3 did suck, but one thing that it did, that was kinda awesome was the way you could liberate the enslaved human population from the orcs. At first merging into the town, gaining the orcs trust and than betraying them. After you liberated like 2 towns by betraying the local overlords trust the rest of the towns could only be liberated by an instant townwide fight cause word got out through the world that you are a traitor.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Christo on July 02, 2014, 10:13:28 pm
It's weird, I didn't played it that long but Risen doesn't seem that terrible. It has nice actual open world elements in it.

Risen is OKAY, just don't expect it to bring anything unpredictable or revolutionary to the table.

If you sit down with such expectations, you'll enjoy it I promise.

Risen 2, on the other hand...
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Corwin on September 01, 2014, 04:06:33 pm
I started playing for the first time two days ago. My impression: awesome.

I really thought I would hate it. I quit Oblivion after 3 hrs of playing, never played Morrowind, I HATED Fallout 3 (not New Vegas though).

But I enjoy Skyrim immensly! Just like in almost all RPG-s I play, I play as mage and I love it! Especially dual casting! Building of skills is slow, and I don't want to search the Internet for loopholes and exploits, but I love every minute of it. I can't wait the evening and my next gaming session.

And yeah, I am not playing on PC, I am playing on PS3 lying on a couch like a boss.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Ikarus on September 01, 2014, 06:37:01 pm
One simply does not play Vanilla Skyrim
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Get popular mods (at least for a better inventory (SkyUI) and stronger dragons. Maybe some environment upgrades for the eyecandy) and then play it

Main story isn´t that strong, but that´s not what people really cared about. They mostly cared about the open world and the sidequests. And Skyrim is all about sidequests.
And that´s a good thing. Run around, make your own story.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Molly on September 01, 2014, 06:42:33 pm
One simply does not play Vanilla Skyrim
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Get popular mods (at least for a better inventory (SkyUI) and stronger dragons. Maybe some environment upgrades for the eyecandy) and then play it

Main story isn´t that strong, but that´s not what people really cared about. They mostly cared about the open world and the sidequests. And Skyrim is all about sidequests.
And that´s a good thing. Run around, make your own story.
I started playing for the first time two days ago. My impression: awesome.

I really thought I would hate it. I quit Oblivion after 3 hrs of playing, never played Morrowind, I HATED Fallout 3 (not New Vegas though).

But I enjoy Skyrim immensly! Just like in almost all RPG-s I play, I play as mage and I love it! Especially dual casting! Building of skills is slow, and I don't want to search the Internet for loopholes and exploits, but I love every minute of it. I can't wait the evening and my next gaming session.

And yeah, I am not playing on PC, I am playing on PS3 lying on a couch like a boss.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Ikarus on September 01, 2014, 10:51:14 pm
I meant Nightmare798, sorry for the misunderstanding
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Admerius on September 02, 2014, 05:11:34 pm
TL;DR: Skyrim is not a good game and it's not a bad game it's average... but it's addictive. The thing that made Skyrim playable was the soundtrack, the audio is the only thing that makes this game replayable. I love the audio, ambient sounds and music of the game!

Modded vs. unmodded TES games:
Unmodded:
Skyrim was "good" for about 40 hours
Oblivion was "good" for about 5 hours
Morrowind is still "good" after 200+ hours

Modded:
Skyrim is decent enough to casually play, but you'd better be in a "completionist" mindset, the goal being to complete quests, complete  faction questlines etc. the quests, combat or rewards themselves are meh

Oblivion... is unplayable without mods... and after installing mods I just stacked potions and rushed through main quest being relieved that it was all over when done... it was still... bad with 30+ mods.

Morrowind doesn't need no mods! Vanilla is awesome!

And for all you modders out there... after finding nexusmods page this is the danger of all those mods...
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Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Angantyr on September 02, 2014, 06:52:02 pm
Actually on another Morrowind replay right now, unmodded (except for widescreen and AA support).

This game is a work of art. And, as one has to agree with Michael Kirkbride; 'the finest novel written in videogame fiction, a 40 hour narrative whose main character is only ever referenced is almost Nabokovian in aspiration, and prophecies whose truth is determined only by the player is akin to Borges if he only had been born with a USB port in the back of his beloved neck'.

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Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Nightmare798 on September 03, 2014, 10:37:09 am
Actually on another Morrowind replay right now, unmodded (except for widescreen and AA support).

This game is a work of art. And, as one has to agree with Michael Kirkbride; 'the finest novel written in videogame fiction, a 40 hour narrative whose main character is only ever referenced is almost Nabokovian in aspiration, and prophecies whose truth is determined only by the player is akin to Borges if he only had been born with a USB port in the back of his beloved neck'.

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I dunno man. Tried playing ff7 few days ago again, and I was like ¨Shit, this is not how I remember it looking...¨
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Kafein on September 04, 2014, 12:01:58 am
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I totally did all of that

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Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Clockworkkiller on September 04, 2014, 01:52:11 am
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I'll admit I'm a fan and realist, I've uninstalled really good, popular mods just because a simple quest didn't really make sense lore wise  or something. Plus I just like realism.


I remember one mod for fnv that added some new units to each of the factions, I had to uninstall it cuz the new units were completely lore breaking and it just irked me so much (legion with energy weapons? NCR "special forces" withr ranger armor and 1st recon berets? I don't think so motherfucker!)


An I know exactly what you guys are gonna say, so ima just clarify one thing.
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Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: NejStark on September 04, 2014, 01:59:26 am
Just played skyrim...
Did you enjoy it?
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Molly on September 04, 2014, 09:35:15 am
I totally did all of that

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Yep.

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Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Kafein on September 04, 2014, 10:53:27 am
Yep.

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It's funny because sociopath seems to target quite directly the "killable children" mod, and nothing else.
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Molly on September 04, 2014, 10:58:44 am
And I never used that one.
I thought it was quite irritating that they were discussing the non-killable children already before release.
And it took merely hours for someone to come up with a workaround.
It is kinda sociopathic to put that much effort behind it right from the start :lol:
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Joseph Porta on September 04, 2014, 11:00:03 am
Hate censorring

I guess its because theyd have to make the pegi higher? Thus less 8y/o to sell to
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Kafein on September 04, 2014, 11:05:22 am
And I never used that one.
I thought it was quite irritating that they were discussing the non-killable children already before release.
And it took merely hours for someone to come up with a workaround.
It is kinda sociopathic to put that much effort behind it right from the start :lol:

I personally didn't install it, although I do see the point, even if it's not the "sociopath" point. I see it more as a realism mod that also improves gameplay. What about situations in which children see you committing a crime and you have to kill them? What about using children as invulnerable human shields? Those things are kind of gamebreaking in vanilla (even though they don't occur very often either, I admit).
Title: Re: Just played skyrim...
Post by: Molly on September 04, 2014, 11:07:35 am
Well, the "witness to a crime" thing is actually a good argument. Never thought about that... but I don't think it's really game breaking, more of a nuisance tops.