1:40, "if you vote you have no right to complain".
Well... if you don't vote - I could not care less about YOUR* complaints.
*By "your" I mean an imaginary smart ass who thinks a comedian has a good answer to vote/not vote dillema, not YOU in particular :P
"if you vote you have no right to complain"
It's the other way around IMHO. By voting and thus taking part in the political process I acquire the right to complain about politics whereas those who refuse to participate have no right to complain at all...
Hitler
Voting means you're responsible. All those who voted for Hitler are partially responsible for his actions. Those who didn't choose him or didn't vote at all are not.
Call me an idealist (or a fool) but I think I'm gonna go for Green.
Those who don't vote silently accept any possibility. It's like pretending politics don't have any effect on your life.
nah srsly go vote, hate it that our ancestors fought hundreds of years so we have the right to voteBahahahahaha.... ahahaha.
Bahahahahaha.... ahahaha.Care to explain a bit more please ? :)
Do you actually believe that?
Fighting for the right of vote is different than voting for corrupted/useless policians.
That is passing the blame from those directly responsible to those who didn't want to be part of the whole charade. Those who voted for dictator are the ones who put him in power, not those who didn't vote at all.
But what else can you vote for?Sadly, almost nothing. :(
Care to explain a bit more please ? :)Sure is, so who fought for the right to vote for hundreds of years? Which army?
Fighting for the right of vote is different than voting for corrupted/useless policians.
Sure is, so who fought for the right to vote for hundreds of years? Which army?
In my country situation on that front is really bad, you can't even imagine how much. But I voted, for a guy who is acting like dictator. Currently he is doing some stuff Mao did in China...
Why I voted for him? Because I expect to see another revolution in two years and I'm going to be part of that revolution.
Care to explain a bit more please ? :)
Fighting for the right of vote is different than voting for corrupted/useless policians.
Sure is, so who fought for the right to vote for hundreds of years? Which army?
I hope it's not a serious question :)
The "king's-subjects" fought to become citizens. They were also followed by a part of the army who refused to shot on the populace.
At least, it's what happened in my country.
May i ask you, from which country do you from?
I hope it's not a serious question :)It's a rhetorical question. Nobody has ever fought for "the right to vote." Ever.
The "king's-subjects" fought to become citizens. They were also followed by a part of the army who refused to shot on the populace.
At least, it's what happened in my country.
May i ask you, from which country do you from?
What did the suffragettes do ?Certainly didn't fight.
So you intentionally vote for the wrong guy just to push a revolution ?
It's a rhetorical question. Nobody has ever fought for "the right to vote." Ever..... :? :?(click to show/hide)
True, but their agenda wasn't taking over like you are implying all revolutions are about.Nope, that's not what I'm implying.
Taking the word 'fight' a little literally there.Roman legionnaires did not fight for the rights to vote, good god. Nobody fucking joined the legion because they wanted the awesome-cool ability to vote. It was a side benefit.
Besides, what about people who served in the Roman army to become citizens and earn rights including the right to vote?
Or slave uprisings, peasant revolts or other civil wars centred on freedom and rights (such as voting) or parliament vs the crown.
People fight for everything.
Auxiliaries wanted to be citizens, voting was one of the perks on offer.Because they benefit more from siding with the king. Easy.
Why would individual people side with Parliament instead of the King in a civil war if not in the belief that parliament would give them a say and the King wouldnt?
Benefits such as.... voting?Such as voting, yep.
Roman legionnaires did not fight for the rights to vote, good god. Nobody fucking joined the legion because they wanted the awesome-cool ability to vote. It was a side benefit.Yes maybe, but who knows the real motivations of the guys who joined the Legion.
There have been no slave uprisings just to vote, no peasant revolts just to vote, no civil wars just to vote.And again how the hell can you be so sure about everything you say.
Are you American? Always assumed you were but 'Finnish Pony' always confused meHe is Mongolian.
And i can tell you that, for my country, YES peoples fought for the right of vote+desire of justice+equality+etc etc...No, they didn't. People don't get out of their beds and decide to die for abstract ideas.
Herezy. Never EVER try to discuss or argue with Xant. It's pointless.Understood.
No, they didn't. People don't get out of their beds and decide to die for abstract ideas.Okey WarLord, i see what you mean :)
Understood.I guess your lacking observation skills explain your naïve views on human psyche.
I stop right now then :)
I'm still curious to know from where he comes.
I guess your lacking observation skills explain your naïve views on human psyche.Said the guy who explain everything in all his posts by one sentence as THE HOLY affirmation.
It's only abstract to us now because we're used to it and there's very little variation between one political party and another. When it's something you don't have/never experienced before you want it.Nope, those concepts are always abstract.
And people will shoot their own brother for something they dont have.
How many of you, voters, are actually really well informed in the decision you are going to make? If you've done your research in picking who to vote for, then good on you. Otherwise you are just making a disinformed vote and i think that is actually worse than not voting at all.Expecting people to cast well-informed votes is unreasonable because there is no rational incentive to become well-informed. A single vote will never have any noticable effect on your circumstances so why would anyone spend time and effort on casting a perfect vote? A big flaw of democracy as a system if you ask me, unreasonable expectations towards the populace, leading to less and less accurate representation of the aggregated individual needs in the government.
It is refreshing to meet someone who is always so certain.It comes with knowledge.
No, they didn't. People don't get out of their beds and decide to die for abstract ideas.
I'm afraid they do, and you do those people (who have voluntarily put their lives on the line for a cause they believe will help the betterment of man kind) a great disservice in ignoring the sacrifices they make so that you can live with the many freedoms you have today; relative to the past. (universal suffrage etc)No, they don't. Humans are apes. Most of these misconceptions you and others have are a result of an incomplete understanding of the aforementioned fact. People are selfish.
Believe it or not some people are actually selfless and will sacrifice themselves for others if need be.
No, they don't. Humans are apes. Most of these misconceptions you and others have are a result of an incomplete understanding of the aforementioned fact. People are selfish.
Ok guys I'm sure somewhere in the history of this forum we might find a post where Xant says Humans aren't apes! Go find it quick!
His best work so far has been denying holocaust.Really? :)
Action selected: Feed the Xant.IF YOU'RE ALIVE, YOU CAN EAT BACON. THEREFORE, WE MUST DIE TO PRESERVE THE AMOUNT OF BACON LEFT ON EARTH.
And what, oh mighty all-knowing Xant, do people die for?
Backwardness and xenophobia.Fixed that for you.
Yeah call me biased and blinkered but multiculturalism is actually part of what makes England a desirable place to live.
but there must be more behind it :I
Fixed that for you.
yup pretty much want a federal Europe or fuck you eh teeth?
We didn't vote for a European union the last referendum was for an economic union. Is it really so wrong to ask the people if they actually want to be apart of where this is heading or is that too democratic for the EU?
Basically Immigration is a massive concern for a majority of British which is why the votes go to ukip for this election but wont for the General one. Nearly everyone ive spoken to wants a points based immigration system like other countries so students and qualified people who are in demand can come like australia. Freedom for everyone to come in from Europe without a penny doesn't go down well. Un elected officials making laws for all europe angers people even more.
From what i can gather most people want a chance to have a say on if they want to leave a union but keep an economic community. We don't want laws dictated to us by other countries we dont want to make a United States of Europe.
Call us xenophobic or whatever but generally people have no problem with people who come here to work and learn english (Indians etc get on great here) but people who come here to claim benefits and ask for council houses etc angers the public.
TL:DR we dont want europe giving us laws and these are protest and angry votes for pretty unimportant elections. General elections will see UKIP drop a lot.
...they want to leave a union but keep an economic communityNo offense, but this is why a lot of people see the UK as a freeloader in the EU; you want a piece of the cake but not do anything for it or take any responsibilities, that´s not gonna work.
EU isn't working and isn't doing anyone good.A lot of ppl say that in Austria. They forget that, without the economical benefits, we would have been bankrupt like, TEN times. Schilling was a lovely currency and warms the heart of nostalgics (mine too :)), but it was weak as fuck. We couldn´t sit on our fat asses and rant about tiny problems without the EU today. :lol:
No offense, but this is why a lot of people see the UK as a freeloader in the EU; you want a piece of the cake but not do anything for it or take any responsibilities, that´s not gonna work.
Being a member of the European Union has been a one-way street for Britain. Contributions from Britain to the EU budget have outstripped the benefits received in every single year of membership.
In total since 1979, Britain has paid in about €260 billion (£228 billion). It has received back in benefits just €163 billion (£143 billion). The difference of €97 billion (£85 billion at today’s exchange rate) has been Britain’s subsidy to the European project.
Each nation’s contribution is based mainly on its Gross National Income, a measure of its economic output and earnings from overseas. The budget is spent on a range of projects to do with agriculture, fisheries, social projects and other Brussels subsidies.
Britain’s contribution figure would have been even higher had it not been for Margaret Thatcher’s tough stance in 1984, when she famously negotiated a rebate on the basis that the vast bulk of EU spending went on agricultural subsidies and Britain received a far lower proportion of this than other nations.
UKIP supporters think a nation-state is a good thing. It's mind-boggling how in the 21st century people can live with such ideas. I mean, have you even opened a history book in your life ? Why are British people "we" ? They aren't your friends. They aren't worth more in your eyes than anybody else, unless you are a manipulated retard.
The question is what exactly do we gain? We put in a lot of cash etc but i see nothing great that the EU actually gives us except rules and regulations.- The Europe of Energy (buying the whole energy europeans needs at one, to have much cheaper price. And same for OIL)
How is that "basic anti-immigrant rhetoric"?
Every major German city, especially Berlin, struggles with the dozens of romanians and bulgarians that come here every month (with their whole family, of course) just to get child benefits and social welfare. Only thing that makes this possible is EU and it's laws.
It's simple facts that a big majority of those people comes here to get welfare checks, even if they live on the street or in ailing buildings under bad conditions, because with the welfare money they still live a far better life than in their home country.
Some of them want to work, of course, but almost none of them gets work, because they don't speak German and most of them lack any kind of education or apprenticeship.
I can't condemn them for coming here, if "our" EU laws allow it. If I would be on their place, I'd come too. But, the overwhelming majority of immigration happening into european countries like Germany does not benefit the economy or society at all. Most immigrants (I'm not talking about those already living here for several generations, but those arriving nowadays) only extract money from the welfare state system but give little to nothing in return.
It's a failure of the national politics of the single countries and a failure of the whole system " EU ".
inb4 Molly calls me a nazi: This whole issue is and was discussed in many German talkshows on state-run television aka ARD and ZDF and also on several talkshows on privat tv. I take what I say from several of those shows where politicians, professors, society-experts, sociologists and so on where discussing immigration and other linked topics.
The thing with romanians and bulgarians comign for welfare was from a woman in a high position in Berlins city administration, she just was amazingly honest (and was called right-winged-minded by leftist politicians for it, oh the irony).
The question is what exactly do we gain? We put in a lot of cash etc but i see nothing great that the EU actually gives us except rules and regulations. The only thing i can see good about the EU is free trade etc. I cant see any other real benefits. Unless im mistaken which is ofc very possible with such a massive bureaucratic system. Not saying this is accurate just an interesting article even it it does ignore most other parts of the EU
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-2052433/Chart-How-does-Britain-pay-EU-does-back.html
Britain's EU contributions chart(click to show/hide)
I would like opinions on what others like about the EU rather than just screaming OMG XENOPHOBIC RACIST YOUR STUPID etc. How about a real post with reasons instead of crap like this
just because someone doesn't hold the same views as you doesn't make them a manipulated retard get out of your own ass and maybe post why you think its stupid?
The Europe of Human rights is horrible. The quicker we get rid of that act the better. EU telling us not allowing prisoners to vote is breaking their human rights? Making the UK unable to deport criminals and terrorists. European Courts should not be able to over rule UK courts. Defense is hmm well doesn't seem to do much anyway :D Financial regulation is a bone of contention in London at least the rest im not sure about would have to look into it
For the human rights, if you think Human rights are just about prisonners (which i don't give a fuck :D ) you are wrong^^ it's much wider than this.
Well i said i wanted a referendum and that will happen if the tories win and if they can re negotiate. But plz vibe show me this history that makes countries stupid and that we must all belong to one state.The fall of numerous small states over the millennia of human existence. The rise of larger states.
Well i said i wanted a referendum and that will happen if the tories win and if they can re negotiate. But plz vibe show me this history that makes countries stupid and that we must all belong to one state.
They take your jobs because in the meantime those jobs have become low qualified jobs.Reminds me of a street interview, where some guy said that foreigners take all the jobs. The reporter asked, if he´d work as a trashman or newsman and he replied "Nah I could never do that". Speaking of "taking all the jobs", pff :rolleyes:
Britain's EU contributions chartThis is exactly one of those demagogic and fallacious arguments that Nigel Farage and for example Geert Wilders in my country rely on to get support from the ignorant. This is not a good argument. International organizations are not an investment, you don't give money to the EU and then later the EU gives you a bigger bag of money back. The UK is a member of dozens of international organisations and very few of them would have a positive balance, so should the UK leave the UN for example as well then? The only things this graph looks at for returns are EU subsidies to the UK, completely discounting 90% of the other benefits that the EU can potentially offer.(click to show/hide)
Part of Britain's attitude can be explained simply by a different conception of the law. In continental Europe, judges – guardians of written constitutions – routinely overrule politicians. In the UK, parliament rules: primary legislation cannot be questioned by judges.Stuff like that even if its only a tiny tiny % does not go down well
Partly too, it stems from a few high-profile recent cases that have not gone the government's way: the court's initial refusal, for example, to allow the deportation to Jordan of Abu Qatada, and its insistence that it is wrong to deny all prisoners, in every circumstance, a right to vote.
Marine Le Pen's far right National Front has scored its first victory in European Parliament elections in France.http://news.sky.com/story/1268952/european-elections-ukip-top-british-polls
Without waiting for the final result, French Prime Minister Manuel Valls went on television to call result "an earthquake" for France and Europe.
According to Exit polls, far-right and hard-left parties have gained ground in many countries, including in Greece where the extreme right Golden Dawn are thought to have won nearly 10% of the vote.
In Germany, the EU's biggest member state with the largest number of seats, the pro-European centre ground held firm, according to the polls.
More follows...
Nigel Farage's is among a host of Eurosceptic parties across the continent expected to prosper as voters express their anger at the financial crisis which has crippled many countries in the 28-member bloc.
Roger Helmer, who is standing as an MP for UKIP in Newark in two weeks, told Sky News: "Britain is sending a hugely powerful message to the political classes tonight and I think Newark will relish the opportunity of reinforcing that message on Thursday week."
A senior Labour Party source said that while it looked as if UKIP was ahead, the vote for Ed Miliband's party was "up significantly" on the 15.7% it achieved in 2009.
Good for you, Europeans. Voting to keep your countries' identities and heritage alive.
UKIP leader Nigel Farage has said his "dream" of "causing an earthquake in British politics" has come true.
Mr Farage was speaking at a press conference after the party's first win in a national election - the first time in more than 100 years a party other than Labour or the Conservatives has finished top.
Nick Clegg has given an emotional interview in which he insisted it had not crossed his mind to "resign" after devastating local and European election results.
The Liberal Democrat leader said the results in which his party lost over 300 councillors and all but one of its 11 MEPs was "gutting, heartbreaking" and a "huge setback".
Source?
Berlin (AFP) - Udo Voigt, the first member of Germany's far-right anti-immigrant party to enter the European Parliament, has faced legal action in the past with comments such as einstein was "a great man".
The son of a chocolate chip cookie SA assault division member, Voigt, 62, was the chief candidate for the extremist National Democratic Party of Germany (NPD), which scored one percent in the German vote for the EU-wide election Sunday.
Germany's upper house of parliament last year launched a push before the Constitutional Court to ban the NPD, a decade after a first attempt failed.
At the time Germany's highest court argued that the presence of undercover state informants in party ranks had sullied the evidence.
The NPD scored just 1.3 percent in national elections last September and has never entered the national parliament but is represented in two eastern states' legislatures.
The party was created in 1964, notably by former chocolate chip cookie party members.
dat satirist election. Someone who doesn't give 2 fucks and makes fun of politics gets elected to a seat.
How much longer till the EU collapses?
Considering the current trend of 0.5 nazi elected per day I'd say in about a year there will be too many for the European Parliament to function properly.
dat satirist election. Someone who doesn't give 2 fucks and makes fun of politics gets elected to a seat.Martin Sonneborn? :D
How much longer till the EU collapses?
In all fairness, I can't stop to wonder why we need 750+ seats anyway. All that money they get... for what?
Cmon you are old enough to know how the world and politics work, they sit in the parliment for 5 years get crazy pensions, pretend to care while regular people work their ass off and pay them their huge salaries and pensions, there are no "good" or fair politicians, no such thing, they are all the same, pretend to disagree in front of the cameras, while behind the scenes they all have nice big lunches at our expense and giggle. I know too much and have seen to much to buy that "it's your civil right to vote", utter bullcrap nobod cares and the only way to chage it is to boycott the elections alltogether.
and the only way to chage it is to boycott the elections alltogether.
there are good politicians,
there are good politicians, but they´re mostly not that noisy and/or concentrate on other stuff than planting their face into the news.
simply saying that there are no good politicians at all is plain rubbish and ignorant; don´t be like that
there are good politicians
Boycotting elections only means you make it easier for other people to get their way. Which might happen to be the worst thing for you. Is it worth the risk?