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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #105 on: May 24, 2014, 07:34:24 pm »
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I did say "Not saying this is accurate just an interesting article even it it does ignore most other parts of the EU" and the fact i never said i was voting for ukip just that i want a referendum on Europe and a real debate on change.

Liberal ideals well spreading them depends on which ideals you are talking about, Human rights.. well Europe might respect it and its court but it is thoroughly despised by UK politicians and the media and is one of the reasons a lot of people dislike europe

and interesting article on Britians relationship with the court
http://www.theguardian.com/law/2013/dec/22/britain-european-court-human-rights

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Part of Britain's attitude can be explained simply by a different conception of the law. In continental Europe, judges – guardians of written constitutions – routinely overrule politicians. In the UK, parliament rules: primary legislation cannot be questioned by judges.
Partly too, it stems from a few high-profile recent cases that have not gone the government's way: the court's initial refusal, for example, to allow the deportation to Jordan of Abu Qatada, and its insistence that it is wrong to deny all prisoners, in every circumstance, a right to vote.
Stuff like that even if its only a tiny tiny % does not go down well

but for the record imo the UKIP vote is a protest vote in the relatively unimportant european elections. They are there to show the main parties that Europe and immigration is a massive concern to the public and needs to be addressed. Labour and the Lib dems shouted Racist at anyone who questioned mass immigration and the Tories seem to side step Europe mostly.

My personal views are that the European Court should not be able to over rule laws made by our elected government and that our immigration should be more like Australia with a points system. Those are my only two major gripes with the EU and i have nothing against people like plumbers/doctors/engineers etc who come here to work.


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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #106 on: May 24, 2014, 07:40:06 pm »
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Quote from that article:
Britain has been obliged to take greater care of vulnerable prisoners, regulate the monitoring of employees' communications, protect the anonymity of journalists' sources, bring the age of consent for gay people in line with that for heterosexuals and force local councils to observe proper safeguards in evictions.

Poor Britain getting terrorized by the ECHR.

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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #107 on: May 24, 2014, 07:45:41 pm »
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yes because that's plainly the part people have a problem with... its not stuff like EU judges over ruling elected govt laws on prisoners voting etc that causes anger its because we had to lower the consent for gay people  :rolleyes:
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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #108 on: May 25, 2014, 01:06:54 am »
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Don't you know Britain is the ultimate authority when it comes to human rights?

Note that the ECHR has actually nothing to do with the EU. Like stated in that article, countries like Turkey and Russia known for widespread violations of human rights are part of the ECHR's jurisdiction. It's really silly that the UK would want out because of trivial things like prisoner voting.

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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #109 on: May 25, 2014, 01:18:38 am »
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Not even sure what i can vote on here, im probably going to skip it. I'd rather have sweden leave eu anyways.
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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #110 on: May 25, 2014, 11:52:23 pm »
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so this just in (not confirmed)

http://news.sky.com/story/1268958/far-right-national-front-win-in-france

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Marine Le Pen's far right National Front has scored its first victory in European Parliament elections in France.

Without waiting for the final result, French Prime Minister Manuel Valls went on television to call result "an earthquake" for France and Europe.

According to Exit polls, far-right and hard-left parties have gained ground in many countries, including in Greece where the extreme right Golden Dawn are thought to have won nearly 10% of the vote.

In Germany, the EU's biggest member state with the largest number of seats, the pro-European centre ground held firm, according to the polls.

More follows...
http://news.sky.com/story/1268952/european-elections-ukip-top-british-polls

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Nigel Farage's is among a host of Eurosceptic parties across the continent expected to prosper as voters express their anger at the financial crisis which has crippled many countries in the 28-member bloc.

Roger Helmer, who is standing as an MP for UKIP in Newark in two weeks, told Sky News: "Britain is sending a hugely powerful message to the political classes tonight and I think Newark will relish the opportunity of reinforcing that message on Thursday week."

A senior Labour Party source said that while it looked as if UKIP was ahead, the vote for Ed Miliband's party was "up significantly" on the 15.7% it achieved in 2009.


Results still coming in and these are preliminary
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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #111 on: May 26, 2014, 02:05:34 am »
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Good for you, Europeans. Voting to keep your countries' identities and heritage alive.
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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #112 on: May 26, 2014, 03:19:25 pm »
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Good for you, Europeans. Voting to keep your countries' identities and heritage alive.


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Btw. We are sending the biggest scum of what you call political elite of my country to the EU paraliment. This elections here are a joke and treated accordingly, barely 20% of the voters did vote.

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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #113 on: May 26, 2014, 03:59:17 pm »
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Garbage in...
Garbage out...

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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #114 on: May 26, 2014, 04:29:59 pm »
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It went ok in Italy. The anti-EU anti-vaccine pseudo fascist conspiracy theorist garbage party that was supposed to win got rekt by the center-left party.

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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #115 on: May 26, 2014, 04:36:29 pm »
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UKIP leader Nigel Farage has said his "dream" of "causing an earthquake in British politics" has come true.

Mr Farage was speaking at a press conference after the party's first win in a national election - the first time in more than 100 years a party other than Labour or the Conservatives has finished top.

pretty big results over here. The lib dems lost all but 1 seat and the BNP lost both of theirs and their leader lost his. Labour did terrible considering they are the main opposition and would usually expect to win.
Will be interesting to see how the big three parties react in the coming weeks

With only Northern Ireland's results yet to come in of the 12 UK regions, UKIP has 29.1% of the vote, Labour 25.4%, the Conservatives 24.6%, the Greens 7.9% and the Lib Dems 6.9%.

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Nick Clegg has given an emotional interview in which he insisted it had not crossed his mind to "resign" after devastating local and European election results.

The Liberal Democrat leader said the results in which his party lost over 300 councillors and all but one of its 11 MEPs was "gutting, heartbreaking" and a "huge setback".
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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #116 on: May 26, 2014, 04:48:30 pm »
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I don't like the UKIP, but I really hope they follow up with their plans. After countless years of sabotaging the EU either for their interest or at the request of their american "friends", it would be about time that we got rid of the UK.

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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #117 on: May 26, 2014, 04:50:58 pm »
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In Spain it has been all about the downfall of the 2 big parties, losing tons of votes, going from 42% to 26% for center-right PP and from 39% to 23% for center-left PSOE, the leader of which resigned today, a few new parties went in ¡, and the small ones grew.
Comparison 2009-2014 http://www.elmundo.es/elecciones/elecciones-europeas/resultados/2014/99/99/p99.html
Also as everywhere else, under 50% participation.
Of the small parties, none really too far to either side of the spectrum, most towards the left or center-left, one of them is a bunch of nationalistic groups from areas around Spain, another is a coalition of small green parties, with some being anti europe and some for it.
No surprises.

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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #118 on: May 26, 2014, 05:07:52 pm »
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Wasington or Brussels, same thing.

EU = US

The president of the EU stated himself. The EU system is a copy of the American lobby-system.


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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #119 on: May 26, 2014, 05:09:53 pm »
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