EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE

[Xant]

And i can tell you that, for my country, YES peoples fought for the right of vote+desire of justice+equality+etc etc...

No, they didn't. People don't get out of their beds and decide to die for abstract ideas.

[Herezy92]

Herezy. Never EVER try to discuss or argue with Xant. It's pointless.

Understood.

I stop right now then

I'm still curious to know from where he comes.

EDIT :

No, they didn't. People don't get out of their beds and decide to die for abstract ideas.

Okey WarLord, i see what you mean
Pointless

[Xant]

Understood.

I stop right now then

I'm still curious to know from where he comes.

I guess your lacking observation skills explain your naïve views on human psyche.

[IR_Kuoin]

Not part of EU masterrace.

[Angantyr]

[Herezy92]

HESKEYTIMEEEEEEEEEE
Do not argue with him, do like me or it's going to be a waste of time, just look at the last post he wrote to me 

I guess your lacking observation skills explain your naïve views on human psyche.

Said the guy who explain everything in all his posts by one sentence as THE HOLY affirmation.
I have nothing more to say than : let him speak alone.

[Xant]

It's only abstract to us now because we're used to it and there's very little variation between one political party and another. When it's something you don't have/never experienced before you want it.

And people will shoot their own brother for something they dont have.

Nope, those concepts are always abstract.

[Teeth]

How many of you, voters, are actually really well informed in the decision you are going to make? If you've done your research in picking who to vote for, then good on you. Otherwise you are just making a disinformed vote and i think that is actually worse than not voting at all.

Expecting people to cast well-informed votes is unreasonable because there is no rational incentive to become well-informed. A single vote will never have any noticable effect on your circumstances so why would anyone spend time and effort on casting a perfect vote? A big flaw of democracy as a system if you ask me, unreasonable expectations towards the populace, leading to less and less accurate representation of the aggregated individual needs in the government.

For EU elections all the effort I am willing to expend on my vote is using my knowledge of party ideology to make a choice and then scanning through this party's program for EU to reassure myself that they are a good choice. I shall be voting D66, a Dutch progressive right wing party, looking to improve Europe's efficiency, transparency and working towards increased integration. Breaking through dividing lines of humanity like race, religion and nationality to realize we are all humans after all. That is the only way humanity is ever going to get anywhere if you ask me.

[Xant]

It is refreshing to meet someone who is always so certain.

It comes with knowledge.

[FleetFox]

No, they didn't. People don't get out of their beds and decide to die for abstract ideas.

I'm afraid they do, and you do those people (who have voluntarily put their lives on the line for a cause they believe will help the betterment of man kind) a great disservice in ignoring the sacrifices they make so that you can live with the many freedoms you have today; relative to the past. (universal suffrage etc)

Believe it or not some people are actually selfless and will sacrifice themselves for others if need be.

[Xant]

I'm afraid they do, and you do those people (who have voluntarily put their lives on the line for a cause they believe will help the betterment of man kind) a great disservice in ignoring the sacrifices they make so that you can live with the many freedoms you have today; relative to the past. (universal suffrage etc)

Believe it or not some people are actually selfless and will sacrifice themselves for others if need be.

No, they don't. Humans are apes. Most of these misconceptions you and others have are a result of an incomplete understanding of the aforementioned fact. People are selfish.

[FleetFox]

No, they don't. Humans are apes. Most of these misconceptions you and others have are a result of an incomplete understanding of the aforementioned fact. People are selfish.

Ok you may buy into the whole Hobbes's State of Nature approach which I do appreciate. But on the other hand we are different to other animals like Apes, simply because we have the capacity to choose not to be selfish.

Anyway when I think of the future, the perception I take is that the Greens/ left wing parties are our best hopes with dealing against Climate Change and future problems as a result (e.g. potential conflict causing much more immigration North into Europe). This laissez faire capitalist system has its days numbered, there is only so much shit the people and the planet can take.

[Tomas_Miles_again]

Ok guys I'm sure somewhere in the history of this forum we might find a post where Xant says Humans aren't apes! Go find it quick!

[Kafein]

Humans are selfless because they are apes too.

[Angantyr]

It goes both ways. Any action can be attributed to selfish ambition, schools of modern psychology claim (which is a pretty straightforward exercise in logic), but that doesn't mean any action is necessarily without inherent selflessness. Individual and group thinking are not so easily seperated, and humans can sacrifice themselves for the group, like we see in most any war or conflict, a selfish and selfless act altogether, parents being selfless towards their offspring etc.

Anyway, most gains from say revolutions are not just abstract ideas but confer very solid individual rights to people, so as not be mutually exclusive.