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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #30 on: May 15, 2014, 02:26:47 pm »
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Sure is, so who fought for the right to vote for hundreds of years? Which army?

I hope it's not a serious question :)

The "king's-subjects" fought to become citizens. They were also followed by a part of the army who refused to shot on the populace.
At least, it's what happened in my country.

May i ask you, from which country do you from?

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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2014, 02:30:23 pm »
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In my country situation on that front is really bad, you can't even imagine how much. But I voted, for a guy who is acting like dictator. Currently he is doing some stuff Mao did in China...

Why I voted for him? Because I expect to see another revolution in two years and I'm going to be part of that revolution.

So you intentionally vote for the wrong guy just to push a revolution ?

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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2014, 02:30:38 pm »
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Care to explain a bit more please ? :)

Fighting for the right of vote is different than voting for corrupted/useless policians.

Sure is, so who fought for the right to vote for hundreds of years? Which army?

I hope it's not a serious question :)

The "king's-subjects" fought to become citizens. They were also followed by a part of the army who refused to shot on the populace.
At least, it's what happened in my country.

May i ask you, from which country do you from?

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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2014, 02:31:28 pm »
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I hope it's not a serious question :)

The "king's-subjects" fought to become citizens. They were also followed by a part of the army who refused to shot on the populace.
At least, it's what happened in my country.

May i ask you, from which country do you from?
It's a rhetorical question. Nobody has ever fought for "the right to vote." Ever.

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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2014, 02:33:30 pm »
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What did the suffragettes do ?

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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #35 on: May 15, 2014, 02:34:22 pm »
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What did the suffragettes do ?
Certainly didn't fight.
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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #36 on: May 15, 2014, 02:35:59 pm »
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True, but their agenda wasn't taking over like you are implying all revolutions are about.

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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #37 on: May 15, 2014, 02:39:29 pm »
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So you intentionally vote for the wrong guy just to push a revolution ?

They are all wrong guys (and girls), no good choice whatsoever. Every single one is a major thief, but this guy has some crazy ideas worthy of a true tyrant. Doesn't really matter, situation is so shitty in here that having one crazy mofo in the power won't hurt at all. But it will be amusing.

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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #38 on: May 15, 2014, 02:40:15 pm »
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It's a rhetorical question. Nobody has ever fought for "the right to vote." Ever.

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Apart this very deep and well thinking statement, it's seems that you don't want to really explain your point.

It's interesting to discover that someone knows so well the history of all european countries.
You should go and teach it to everybody :)

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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #39 on: May 15, 2014, 02:46:33 pm »
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True, but their agenda wasn't taking over like you are implying all revolutions are about.
Nope, that's not what I'm implying.

Taking the word 'fight' a little literally there.

Besides, what about people who served in the Roman army to become citizens and earn rights including the right to vote?
Or slave uprisings, peasant revolts or other civil wars centred on freedom and rights (such as voting) or parliament vs the crown.

People fight for everything.
Roman legionnaires did not fight for the rights to vote, good god. Nobody fucking joined the legion because they wanted the awesome-cool ability to vote. It was a side benefit.

There have been no slave uprisings just to vote, no peasant revolts just to vote, no civil wars just to vote.
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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #40 on: May 15, 2014, 02:59:24 pm »
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Auxiliaries wanted to be citizens, voting was one of the perks on offer.

Why would individual people side with Parliament instead of the King in a civil war if not in the belief that parliament would give them a say and the King wouldnt?
Because they benefit more from siding with the king. Easy.
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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #41 on: May 15, 2014, 03:03:41 pm »
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Benefits such as.... voting?
Such as voting, yep.
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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #42 on: May 15, 2014, 03:04:35 pm »
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Roman legionnaires did not fight for the rights to vote, good god. Nobody fucking joined the legion because they wanted the awesome-cool ability to vote. It was a side benefit.
Yes maybe, but who knows the real motivations of the guys who joined the Legion.
They all had their own reasons. (being recognized, be free after, be able to participate in the town-life when they come back, fight, kill, money, survive, etc...)

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There have been no slave uprisings just to vote, no peasant revolts just to vote, no civil wars just to vote.
And again how the hell can you be so sure about everything you say.
You take everything so literally, the desire to have the right of vote do not comes alone. It's come with the desire of freedom, of justice, of equality, and many more...
It's like the reasons of revolutions. It's a global situation in a dedicated time period which will make it happen.

And finally, i wont speak about other countries because i don't know well their History.
But i can speak about what i know.
And i can tell you that, for my country, YES peoples fought for the right of vote+desire of justice+equality+etc etc...

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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #43 on: May 15, 2014, 03:07:46 pm »
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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #44 on: May 15, 2014, 03:09:54 pm »
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Revolutions of 1848

Led to reaffirmation of the principles of the Magna Carta (basic human rights), and in many ways the modern European wellfare state.