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Title: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Baskakov_Dima on April 22, 2014, 02:41:03 am
I joined Druzhina and found, that no clan is actually a real threat to Druzhina. Why don't all other clans just unite against us and let us have a real war? :D
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Fips on April 22, 2014, 02:45:14 am
Because you don't deserve it anymore.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on April 22, 2014, 02:50:19 am
I joined Druzhina and found, that no clan is actually a real threat to Druzhina. Why don't all other clans just unite against us and let us have a real war? :D

10/10 post, truly unique and original.

Issue this man a medal.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Keshian on April 22, 2014, 05:03:20 am
I joined Druzhina and found, that no clan is actually a real threat to Druzhina. Why don't all other clans just unite against us and let us have a real war? :D

?  You want grey order or kapikulu to easily roll over you guys?  3 largest faction in eu.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Cicero on April 22, 2014, 08:39:17 am
Why the fuck i shall ally with retards like fips just to give UIF a pleasure to have someone to fight ?
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Teeth on April 22, 2014, 12:02:29 pm
I joined Druzhina and found, that no clan is actually a real threat to Druzhina. Why don't all other clans just unite against us and let us have a real war? :D
Declare war on Grey Order to have a real war, simple as that.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Ikarus on April 22, 2014, 12:37:36 pm
Declare war on Grey Order to have a real war, simple as that.

This will never happen, they´re just too afraid of grey order
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: ARN_ on April 22, 2014, 01:02:59 pm
This will never happen, they´re just too afraid of grey order
It's the other way around :wink:
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Torben on April 22, 2014, 01:06:29 pm
omg.  drz vs grey.  so much beauty lies in those words...
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Varadin on April 22, 2014, 01:31:19 pm
It's the other way around :wink:

I doubt that  8-)
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: ARN_ on April 22, 2014, 01:32:01 pm
I doubt that  8-)
Maybe, if you fight them irl that is  :P
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on April 22, 2014, 04:05:07 pm
Because you don't deserve it anymore.

Slam dunk boom gottem  gottem   gottem
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Keshian on April 22, 2014, 04:31:21 pm
in the unlikely event that Druzhina does start to lose then its big friends will bail it out.

This is really true.  In a previous strat -  FCC (NA faction), Fallen, and HRE were knocking the socks off druzhina (despite them abusing every possible nighttime setting glitch known to man) and all 4 of their NA vassal factions so Grey Order marched 20,000 troops over to bail them out and only withdrew them on condition HRE withdraw from the fight since poor druzhina was getting beat up too badly and big brother didn't like it.  Even after that Druzhina got hammered even worse until the end of that strat happpened really suddenly when a bunch of different clans tried to abuse a bug.

You should pay attention to your next Druzhina or grey order fight - all of the Druzhina except for grellenort and nebun and 1 other guy are all at the bottom of the roster for kills and score.  You really don't want to fight kapikulu or grey order or any faction of even remotely your comparable size.  Druzhina is the meat fodder, the strat troop grinders, etc. part of the alliance that is made up of 2/3rds of the active strat players left.  Skill will always shows most readily when fighting clans of equal resources, its can't be masked by better gear anymore then.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Algarn on April 22, 2014, 05:06:18 pm
Grellenort isn't even a druzhina, it's a stranger (STR).
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Emear on April 22, 2014, 05:28:46 pm
It's quite weird. The biggest factions made an alliance and now complain about no enemies.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Algarn on April 22, 2014, 05:54:32 pm
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Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Nebun on April 22, 2014, 06:46:26 pm
Poor poor DRZ recruit, doesn't know yet that for every DRZ post on forum, he will get 20 replies of QQ
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Thovex on April 22, 2014, 07:29:14 pm
Poor poor DRZ recruit, doesn't know yet that for every DRZ post on forum, he will get 20 replies of QQ

Harsh.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Emear on April 22, 2014, 09:52:11 pm
Poor poor DRZ recruit, doesn't know yet that for every DRZ post on forum, he will get 20 replies of QQ
Yes, we don't respect russian rights, ofc! Should we expect now specnaz and melee forum "revolution" ? Today russian crimea... tomorrow forum.melee.ru
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: polkafranzi on April 22, 2014, 11:11:19 pm
Grellenort isn't even a druzhina, it's a stranger (STR).

Grellenort is that guy that gets 9 or 10 kills on eu1 in full plate and then dies (9/10-1) and then instaquits before the death registers, rejoins (0-0) and continues.

Pathetic.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Ikarus on April 22, 2014, 11:25:58 pm
Also he's that rare breed of free-thinking 'talking' Druzhina

One of the points why I don´t like Druzhina. They barely even try to have a conversation in english with you when you´re playing with them in strat.
Even if the whole clan is russian, it´s rude to keep on talking in a different language when you know that you also have international allies in ts :/ even HRE switched to english in ts back when they were mostly a german clan.
Not saying that there aren´t nice people in Druzh! :)

maybe I´m wrong, but that´s my experience from 5 battles/sieges
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Nebun on April 23, 2014, 05:36:04 am
One of the points why I don´t like Druzhina. They barely even try to have a conversation in english with you when you´re playing with them in strat.
Even if the whole clan is russian, it´s rude to keep on talking in a different language when you know that you also have international allies in ts :/ even HRE switched to english in ts back when they were mostly a german clan.
Not saying that there aren´t nice people in Druzh! :)

maybe I´m wrong, but that´s my experience from 5 battles/sieges

Oh that damn fucking Druzhina, where 80% of players haven't learned English to make Ikarus comfortable in our TS. Sooo so rude. ((
We've got opposite problem though. We would prefer if corsair and jarlek would speak another language that we don't understand, maybe Japanese.
If u can make that happen, we will do our best and teach our players to say something more then - fuck you or sorry in TS.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: GandalfJr on April 23, 2014, 05:41:54 am
Hey i was gentle, i hate the hive not the ants.

Also he's that rare breed of free-thinking 'talking' Druzhina i've heard so much about, we want to encourage as many of those as we can before you send him to a Strat Gulag for thinking and talking
You made me zoom in for that last part
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on April 23, 2014, 06:08:24 am
One of the points why I don´t like Druzhina. They barely even try to have a conversation in english with you when you´re playing with them in strat.
Even if the whole clan is russian, it´s rude to keep on talking in a different language when you know that you also have international allies in ts :/ even HRE switched to english in ts back when they were mostly a german clan.
Not saying that there aren´t nice people in Druzh! :)

maybe I´m wrong, but that´s my experience from 5 battles/sieges

I'm a shit-dick unilingual amerifat but for some reason I really enjoyed listening to the barrage of polish the greys used in strat 4 when I was a regular at their battles since Bagge or Erobisaither would speak up for me to get accepted. Couldn't understand more than a very few words, but it was still oddly enjoyable for me.

also im gay
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Macropus on April 23, 2014, 09:57:04 am
One of the points why I don´t like Druzhina. They barely even try to have a conversation in english with you when you´re playing with them in strat.
Even if the whole clan is russian, it´s rude to keep on talking in a different language when you know that you also have international allies in ts :/ even HRE switched to english in ts back when they were mostly a german clan.
Not saying that there aren´t nice people in Druzh! :)

maybe I´m wrong, but that´s my experience from 5 battles/sieges
You seem to miss the fact that most DRZ guys don't speak English well enough to make such conversation any useful. That would be really awkward for these guys to speak English with each other, so it's not really about being rude.
(I don't speak English well too, since I mostly read/write, think it's the same with many other Russians).

Also I agree with mr.Sandersson, Polish lang sounds really cool, and I'm not only speaking about "kurwa" alone.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Ikarus on April 23, 2014, 10:20:27 am
meh
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: _RXN_ on April 23, 2014, 10:36:58 am
Ikarus, mostly all of those Russian conversations that you heard in TS were about building stuff, protecting that stuff etc, but main battle orders were always given in two languages so all the ppl could've understood it.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Cicero on April 23, 2014, 10:49:12 am
One of the points why I don´t like Druzhina. They barely even try to have a conversation in english with you when you´re playing with them in strat.
Even if the whole clan is russian, it´s rude to keep on talking in a different language when you know that you also have international allies in ts :/ even HRE switched to english in ts back when they were mostly a german clan.
Not saying that there aren´t nice people in Druzh! :)

maybe I´m wrong, but that´s my experience from 5 battles/sieges
In soviet russia ; u need to pidoras , nazad, attacku , sprava , naleva , hadidi nazad , hadidi attacku , haraşo ,zdrasvisya , privet , zis ( here ) , durak , pizzak , RUSKI PAJALUSTA ? ya tabeo leaboulu ( never succeed to say that )
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Vibe on April 23, 2014, 11:09:43 am
in soviet russia иди нахуи сука бляд
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: _RXN_ on April 23, 2014, 11:24:59 am
in soviet russia иди нахуй сука блядь
Fixed it for you  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Vibe on April 23, 2014, 11:27:24 am
ok the 'j' part is my mistake but I'll never understand when to use ь, you see my cyrillic is internet learned :D
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Ikarus on April 23, 2014, 12:54:51 pm
I´ll just stay out of strat, makes me a worse person  :cry:
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Zaharist on April 24, 2014, 02:30:53 am
Because you don't deserve it anymore.
Love that comment.

Enjoy yoghurt, you deserved it.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Fips on April 24, 2014, 02:54:49 am
Love that comment.

Enjoy yoghurt, you deserved it.

YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO ENJOY!
Maybe some half russian, half polish car thiefing kurwa-bear is forcing me to eat it?  :cry:
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Baskakov_Dima on May 12, 2014, 12:08:55 am
ok the 'j' part is my mistake but I'll never understand when to use ь, you see my cyrillic is internet learned :D

It's "soft sign" (russsian "мягкий знак") - says you to pronounce the consonant sound soft. You have to ask some polish or russian guys, probably by finding them on TS, to show you how to pronounce it, it is easy. You can poke me on Skype, my login equals my name here, I will help you.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: buba on May 13, 2014, 08:04:34 pm
I´ll just stay out of strat, makes me a worse person  :cry:

lol
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Rebelyell on May 14, 2014, 01:42:38 am
I joined Druzhina and found, that no clan is actually a real threat to Druzhina. Why don't all other clans just unite against us and let us have a real war? :D
look what happens when Templars and SB are not on desert...
sadly most of us dont give shit about strat
and witchout Coalition around there is really no resistance against GO and DRZ

maybe with old CA, Coalition,  Kalmar Union and organized Mercs(and that is posible like organized templars without Alpha)
we can stand some serious resistance to UIF
... and sadly no one give shit anymore

I think that GO vs DRZ may be intresting but I wouldnt be suprised if GO destroy DRZ with not big problems.

old story good drama
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Varadin on May 14, 2014, 02:24:11 am
I joined Druzhina and found, that no clan is actually a real threat to Druzhina. Why don't all other clans just unite against us and let us have a real war? :D

Druzhinas members are my brothers in arms here, but honestly i doubt they have no real threat , if kapikulus or GO would turn on them, i think they would have some really bad time
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Switchtense on May 14, 2014, 12:22:10 pm
Druzhinas members are my brothers in arms here, but honestly i doubt they have no real threat , IF kapikulus or GO would turn on them(LOLZ), i think they would have some really bad time

FTFY :D
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: ARN_ on May 14, 2014, 12:40:08 pm
Druzhinas members are my brothers in arms here, but honestly i doubt they have no real threat , if kapikulus or GO would turn on them, i think they would have some really bad time
http://c-rpg.net/?page=strategusfieflist&view=chart (http://c-rpg.net/?page=strategusfieflist&view=chart) If we only look at the numbers DRZ out number both Kapis and GO, ofc this is only the stuff inside fiefs but it's give you a picture over the situation. Kapis wouldn't stand a chance alone GO on the other hand well both sides could be winning.

But why even care about dreaming about this scenario as we all know it will never happen :cry: Maybe looking at the numbers can help you understand how much you outnumber everyone else, just take a look at the garrison not even if you count the three biggest anti-uif factions they still have less troops then GO alone! And as if that wasn't enough they a shit ton of more gold.

I hope UIF is enjoying the strat...no one else does...
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Switchtense on May 14, 2014, 12:49:40 pm
I hope UIF is enjoying the strat...no one else does...

Actually I find Strat really enjoyable, the grass really is greener on the other side ;)
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: ARN_ on May 14, 2014, 12:50:51 pm
Actually I find Strat really enjoyable, the grass really is greener on the other side ;)
I guess that's true, might come and pay your side a visit :)
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Algarn on May 14, 2014, 12:57:01 pm
It might become a red grass when Eu map will be conquered. Even ping cannot stop russia.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Switchtense on May 14, 2014, 01:11:24 pm
It might become a red grass when Eu map will be conquered. Even ping cannot stop russia.

I don't know really.

I know they take strat fairly serious and really wanna "win". But NA would prove too much of a hassle.

Their heavy armour would not work that well in NA because of the ping.

And NA has players way better than Druzhina ones. Especially with the ping differences.


Also Greys and DRZ are planning exp battles, why would they bother wasting gear that would be needed to conquer NA?

And I somehow trust DRZ enough not to invade NA. Taking EU? Yea sure, they have always played EU, so why not. I do not blame them for that.
But destroying strat for literally everybody by taking NA would be beneath them.

I know many people really hate them for what they are doing, and I bet I will get some -1s for this, but the whole EU situation is not their fault. (No one is to blame really)
They play their game, how they think it is meant to be played. If others don't agree, fair enough.
But NA is not their game.
We have only managed to settle down there cause Heskey and I have quite a few contacts from Strat 4 (we played loads of NA batttles) otherwise I highly doubt we would have had a roster to take a fief there. Not to mention everybody trying to drive us back to EU :D
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Corsair831 on May 14, 2014, 03:48:26 pm
shogunate, 3rd largest, 3rd wealthiest and 3rd most organised clan in strategus attacked Druzinha 2 months ago
the war lasted 3 days

you have too many players as a faction by yourself, and THEN you are allied with grey order and kapikulu

honestly UIF has killed strategus, no one will fight you now, congratulations on ruining everyone else's fun

also

Oh that damn fucking Druzhina, where 80% of players haven't learned English to make Ikarus comfortable in our TS. Sooo so rude. ((
We've got opposite problem though. We would prefer if corsair and jarlek would speak another language that we don't understand, maybe Japanese.
If u can make that happen, we will do our best and teach our players to say something more then - fuck you or sorry in TS.

why the fuck you drag me into that argument?! :D
i always speak fluent russian with you guys when you are speaking in strategus battles, i approve of russian speaking
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Cicero on May 14, 2014, 04:00:22 pm
you have too many players as a faction by yourself, and THEN you are allied with grey order and kapikulu

U did fuckin same ffs ?

How can you blame UIF in the same strategus version if were part of it for at least 2 months ??

I still can see many byzantiums fighting in UIF rosters ; lol just lol cant fuckin comment about your qq.

Your argument is invalid.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: ARN_ on May 14, 2014, 05:10:10 pm
shogunate, 3rd largest, 3rd wealthiest and 3rd most organised clan in strategus attacked Druzinha 2 months ago
the war lasted 3 days
Well I didn't notice that when we were fighting... :rolleyes: You might have been organized in trade and so on, but not very much in war :P
U did fuckin same ffs ?

How can you blame UIF in the same strategus version if were part of it for at least 2 months ??

I still can see many byzantiums fighting in UIF rosters ; lol just lol cant fuckin comment about your qq.

Your argument is invalid.
Well you got a point but the difference between byz and drz is that drz is much bigger, still it was pretty silly for byz to ally with uif
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Corsair831 on May 14, 2014, 07:31:35 pm
Well I didn't notice that when we were fighting... :rolleyes: You might have been organized in trade and so on, but not very much in war :PWell you got a point but the difference between byz and drz is that drz is much bigger, still it was pretty silly for byz to ally with uif

you try getting surprise attacked from someone you thought was a friend when you haven't militarised at all yet, good luck

U did fuckin same ffs ?

How can you blame UIF in the same strategus version if were part of it for at least 2 months ??

I still can see many byzantiums fighting in UIF rosters ; lol just lol cant fuckin comment about your qq.

Your argument is invalid.

our players do, and always have, fought for whoever they want; when we were playing strat they fought for every side mostly using aliases, but still, i never told them they definitely can't play against a faction, just that if they do decide to play against a friend then they should use an alias and no banner. we were planning on attacking UIF from the very start of strat, but kalmar spoiled our plans by attacking us before we could build enough resources to attack UIF

my argument is valid
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Cicero on May 14, 2014, 07:41:56 pm
you try getting surprise attacked from someone you thought was a friend when you haven't militarised at all yet, good luck

our players do, and always have, fought for whoever they want; when we were playing strat they fought for every side mostly using aliases, but still, i never told them they definitely can't play against a faction, just that if they do decide to play against a friend then they should use an alias and no banner. we were planning on attacking UIF from the very start of strat, but kalmar spoiled our plans by attacking us before we could build enough resources to attack UIF

my argument is valid
Well trust me even a 4 years old boy not even gonna believe you :)

DRZ wiped you out but i saw at least 6 byzantium at their last castle attack.

You are missing one big point ; i am not judgin you that u guys are mercing for UIF ; the bullshit starts when u whine about UIF.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: ARN_ on May 14, 2014, 08:00:45 pm
you try getting surprise attacked from someone you thought was a friend when you haven't militarised at all yet, good luck

our players do, and always have, fought for whoever they want; when we were playing strat they fought for every side mostly using aliases, but still, i never told them they definitely can't play against a faction, just that if they do decide to play against a friend then they should use an alias and no banner. we were planning on attacking UIF from the very start of strat, but kalmar spoiled our plans by attacking us before we could build enough resources to attack UIF

my argument is valid
First off we were never your friend as you were with UIF and second no one knew what the heck you were planning the only thing we knew was that you worked with UIF and you said it would never change... And I regret nothing that war was the best and funniest part of this strat and thx for being a part of of it, not cause you had a chose :D

Well you had you could have told us that you were against uif for a fun strat and we could have been fighting them for a interesting strat, but who kidding this is strat and we all have to do it sneaky kinngrimm backstabish here

Edit also our war gave us one of the best quotes of the year; Corsair: YOU GUNNA DIE!!!!
so everyone knows we are still alive, for the good or the bad no one knows
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: naduril on May 14, 2014, 11:10:07 pm
And NA has players way better than Druzhina ones. Especially with the ping differences.
This part is just funny. NA have very few excellent players (and whats the funniest - most of them from Eu (and Canada :P); hi badplayer).


Also Greys and DRZ are planning exp battles, why would they bother wasting gear that would be needed to conquer NA?
And this part is true. Why would we? Playing on NA is awful, not on!y because of ping, but the prime time for na is fucked up as hell.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: naduril on May 14, 2014, 11:11:34 pm
Double post
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Ikarus on May 15, 2014, 01:24:27 am
They STILL argue about strat and blame each other for random bullshit?
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Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Herkkutatti666 on May 15, 2014, 09:42:43 am
You all are wussies
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Corsair831 on May 15, 2014, 02:48:28 pm
Well trust me even a 4 years old boy not even gonna believe you :)

DRZ wiped you out but i saw at least 6 byzantium at their last castle attack.

You are missing one big point ; i am not judgin you that u guys are mercing for UIF ; the bullshit starts when u whine about UIF.

believe what you want, i don't care
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Cicero on May 15, 2014, 03:04:06 pm
believe what you want, i don't care
Actually you do but okey lets move out.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Varadin on May 15, 2014, 03:37:00 pm
From now on i fight on roster against UIF, wont make bif difference but still ....  8-)
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Harpag on May 15, 2014, 04:16:06 pm
No Mercs, no drama. I miss them end I regret ''jebać merców'' today :cry:  They had balls. My favorite opponent ever.

*nostalgia mode*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBzeJsXEipM

Bronze statue of Mercs ( high on 6 meters without base) right now ordered in the best foundry in Praven*

@Cicero

Breathe the flame like a old big dragon  :wink:
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Cicero on May 15, 2014, 04:34:51 pm
It was good days ; i still miss them a lot.

I was there too :)

Actually you miss a fuckin proper enemy to play against ;  harpag :) Those days were really hard to play because there were many many enemies who are organize themselves from start against us.

Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Switchtense on May 15, 2014, 07:29:00 pm
This part is just funny. NA have very few excellent players (and whats the funniest - most of them from Eu (and Canada :P); hi badplayer).

Then you have played with the wrong people :D

I have fought about as many NA battles as EU, maybe even more.

And I have fought in lots of Druzhina battles, trust me when I say that there are quite a few NA players who are better than the majority of Druzhina players.

Not saying you all suck, you do have very skilled players, but so does NA. Especially with a way better ping.

Anyway, really looking forward to the exp battles, I just hope you will focus more on making them fun, rather than purely efficient. Either way, they will be greatly appreciated (at least my some of us :D) :)
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: ARN_ on May 15, 2014, 08:15:01 pm
Anyway, really looking forward to the exp battles, I just hope you will focus more on making them fun, rather than purely efficient. Either way, they will be greatly appreciated (at least my some of us :D) :)
I personally think exp battles are one of the most lame stuff in strat, it's nothing against fighting in a real hectic battle. If they kill strat just to make exp battles it's even worse then I thought :cry:
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Algarn on May 15, 2014, 09:27:32 pm
Heskey, no, they'll simply accept only UIF members and family, profit from the last patch that doubled strat XP, all get level 36 archers/2handers and invade EU1 to get total control of server population.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Jack1 on May 15, 2014, 10:08:24 pm
why don't the non UIF people just come to NA with switch. let UIF wave their E-dicks in the mirror. if UIF comes to NA I can almost be certain that you'll get more than enough support(of higher quality mercs with lower ping(because NA is better)) assuming matches are made at NA prime time.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: ARN_ on May 15, 2014, 10:16:26 pm
why don't the non UIF people just come to NA with switch. let UIF wave their E-dicks in the mirror. if UIF comes to NA I can almost be certain that you'll get more than enough support(of higher quality mercs with lower ping(because NA is better)) assuming matches are made at NA prime time.
Yea, but some of the problems are higher ping and worse battle times for us EU noobs :) Still would be more fun then EU as it looks now
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Algarn on May 15, 2014, 10:20:11 pm
Jack1, just tell me how to exile myself from EU, and I will join the exodus when I'll be unbanned. I don't give a shot about ping, shittalk on chat, or whatever, just want to gtfo to see if there's something better there. And no, DRZ don't give a fuck about ping, since they don't block anyway for the majority  :lol:
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Switchtense on May 16, 2014, 12:41:53 am
Heskey, no, they'll simply accept only UIF members and family, profit from the last patch that doubled strat XP, all get level 36 archers/2handers and invade EU1 to get total control of server population.

I find that hard to believe to be honest.
I guess they will prioritise UIF members in case too many people apply, but I highly doubt they will exclude anyone (who does not deserve it)

They might not be the most popular people on cRPG, but they are not big fucking assholes.



Also yes, I second what Heskey said, NA strat is way more fun, only requirement is to get used to the ping and get into the player base more or less.
Get to know a couple people, learn to play with the ping (or do it like me, don't. I cannot even play properly with EU ping :D )

Everybody is welcome to join our EU Exodus, every kind of support is greatly appreciated.
Just come to Nova Tulga and the doors will be wide open for you :)
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Varadin on May 16, 2014, 01:44:13 am
Heskey, no, they'll simply accept only UIF members and family, profit from the last patch that doubled strat XP, all get level 36 archers/2handers and invade EU1 to get total control of server population.

We are already lvl 36 ;D
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Dark_Blade on May 16, 2014, 02:34:48 am
We are already lvl 36 ;D
lies, I am not
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Mongolista on May 16, 2014, 03:36:22 am
Switch I dont know if youre blind but the big fucking assholes is exactly the part why they are not popular, you cannot trust a single word of what is coming out of their mouth so if they say they are not coming for NA it doesnt mean anything, literally, the truth in anything they ever said or wrote equals to zero (that is also why you never see them actually write any explenation or a sophisticated answer to any question raised on forum, they only troll and do as they please). And that it is even below them? Look at EU strat, do you really think there is anything that can ever stop them from digging even lower? last few strats they were cheating, multiaccounting and idk what else. I am not QQing since I have stopped playing strat months ago so I couldnt care less about what their next intentions are, but I wouldnt exclude any option however low it seems to you.

On the other hand Im quite glad all this shit has happened to EU coz when I was playing strat I cared a little too much about it, Im 24 and Ive been told Im getting too old for playing computer games a lot and I was a bit scared when does this end, I have stopped playing all the other games but I still enjoyed cprg and strat a lot and blahblahblah all that deep shit, long story short the russians came, both to strat and eu2 aaand Im cured. Thanks guys, enjoy your time lol rofl zomg afk brb kthxbye gimme all your -1s haterssss coz sometimes I watch my red/green bar for hours and cry, I shouldve been more neutral and funny in my posts so I didnt get any minuses from either block

Edit: Im 22, lol cant even remember how old I am ffs brb lel bewbs bye
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Switchtense on May 16, 2014, 09:44:25 am
Yea I am clearly blind for having an opinion on a faction, after having spent quite a bit of time fighting alongside them.

I guess you never talk to any of them, because every Druzhina guy I have ever talked to is a very nice person. (One exception, but afaik he is no longer Drz) They just don't speak English 24/7, so actually getting to talk to them might prove too much of a hassle for the majority of players, thus they judge them for being in a faction that owns most of the EU strat map. Way to go. Some might say retarded things every now and then. But then again, who doesn't?

I know GO will not go to NA.
And I do hope and have faith that Druzhina will not go for NA either, if however they do, then I was wrong. The aftermath for me personally would not be too big. I would stop playing strat. However, the fun for all the NA guys, and also the EU guys over in NA would be spoilt. And that is what I would not want at all. And what do people say? Hope dies last. If you truly believe DRZ will invade NA soon, then why bother trying to crush people's hopes, ruining strat for them even before it will actually be ruined?

The only reason why I am still playing strat is being in NA. EU lost its charm for me and quite a few others. If we anticipated DRZ to invade NA, why would we have bothered to build up a small trading business? Might have as well quit strat right away. But we did not, because we wanna have some fun and not think about how this fun will be torn apart anytime soon.
If you want to convince people that DRZ will invade NA, thus taking the oppertunity of having fun from everybody who does not even bother trying NA because of that, then you are not a single bit better than anyone ruining EU strat.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Harpag on May 16, 2014, 11:22:24 am
OMG you people without faith - stop panicking. Everything will be okay. If one day on the map remain only UIF factions, this will be beginning of the Great War (not arranged battles), to which everykurwaone will be invited. It will be a civilized war, no dick moves with night time or ladders etc, but the battle will be true, no opening gates or derogate from spawnrape. Best commanders, tactics, eq, full rosters, primetime etc etc. Will be full fun - no scam.

Fuck XP battles - boring and pointless.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Mongolista on May 16, 2014, 11:26:00 am
Switch I was merely assuming theyre gonna invade the NA, I wasnt talking about their future plans, I just said believing them when they say "oh dont worry were not gonna go there" is the biggest mistake you can make. I remember En Dotter being as positive as you about them, he was like oh dont worry guys, they said theyre not gonna invade our land when I asked them Ive heard some rumours about DRZ coming north, BAM next week the whole map has been invaded. I am not saying you should be worried, Im just saying it is exactly your attitude that got us raped. They may have seemed nice to you exactly because you were fighting along their side ;)
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Switchtense on May 16, 2014, 11:39:01 am
You are talking about EU here :)

NA is a completely different thing.

Like I said, IF DRZ does happen to go to NA, then I was wrong to believe they won't.
But they won't, because they will not have much fun over there.

All the low ping guys will wreck them left right centre. I guess almost the whole of NA would do everything they can to send the invaders back to EU.

That would make some nice battles, at least for NA.

Druzhina would care about the ping, even though most of the times they just spam without blocking. To target switch and spam properly you still need to get the timing right. I have never seen any Druzhina guy on NA1 or NA2, or even NA7. And maybe 1 or 2 in NA strat battles. No way they will be as successful on NA3 as on EU3.

Also Harpag:
Exp battles are not necessarily boring and pointless.
Even though I really like the idea of having real battles, exp battles can be very fun at times too.
Last strat Murdertron arranged many of these, made them themed battles basically. They were insanely much fun, I got up at 4 or 5am just to participate in these.
Like arbalest line battles (they were by far the best), rondel battles, Donkey Knight battles etc. So if you could toss such a battle in between all the real battles every now and then, I am sure people would appreciate it :D
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Cicero on May 16, 2014, 12:33:19 pm
OMG you people without faith - stop panicking. Everything will be okay. If one day on the map remain only UIF factions, this will be beginning of the Great War (not arranged battles), to which everykurwaone will be invited. It will be a civilized war, no dick moves with night time or ladders etc, but the battle will be true, no opening gates or derogate from spawnrape. Best commanders, tactics, eq, full rosters, primetime etc etc. Will be full fun - no scam.

Fuck XP battles - boring and pointless.
I felt like reading/listening USA president about his reasons for attacking somewhere.

We want to play our wars ; we want to use diplomacy be a dickhead , kind , rude , backstabber , noob , retard.

We want small clans not empires.

A balanced alliances would be better and it needs to be at least 3-4 blocks if there will only empires.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Dark_Blade on May 16, 2014, 02:10:21 pm
who are "we"? when I was Templar\Deserter\SB I was thinking only about killing DRZ and GO, do not fight each other when there is a powerful enemy that can eat everyone if we split up... well thats what actually happened.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Mongolista on May 16, 2014, 04:21:44 pm
Switch once again I envy how naive you can be, DRZ didnt win thanks to their awesome skills and K/D on the battlefield, they won thanks to superior economy, players grinding 24/7 x5 on eu2 and their gey friends, if they ever wanted to take over the NA strat, they could and probably would take it within few weeks, because the war is not won on the battlefields, because they would keep sending more and more shiny armies to the east and Im sure some of the NA clans would rather join them than getting stomped (such as the border mafia) and then the NA clans would slowly start falling apart because playing four 1-2h battles a day with less people and worse gear is just frustrating. Id wish you were in Kalmars or Quincies at the beginning of this strat so youd see the real power of DRZ and get through a real war, not some fun based bullshit.

On one hand people here want awesome wars with awesome gear but as long as you know its fun based and it doesnt really matter what the result is, you will never play the game as it should be, the real war is when you put the emotions into it, when you rage for getting killed, when every ticket counts and you have to be coordinated, when youre running low on gear and got to push because thats your only chance to win, the real war is when you have to go beg for troops from clans youd never think youd talk to because they seemed too small to get your interest while it may be their 500 troops that save your caravans. DRZ and GO know this, their bond was created in the hectic times like this which is why they wont turn down on each other. On the other hand all the small clans that were in the antiUIF block last round (or enjoyed their protection while claiming theyre neutral) are either the new players who are like spoiled kids who never gotten into real war and chicken out in the first instance of a real threat or old players who have seen all of this already happening years and rounds ago and are aware of what is coming next and so they either leave coz theyre sick of the repetitive scenarios or leave coz theres actually not enough ppl to fight with against UIF. And then there are people like you who still enjoy the game and dont give up easily, which I admire and if I only had more time (exams coming) Id join you straight away.

I am speaking from my own experience, because even though Im a relatively new player to strat (been playing for about last 4-5 years), our clan Knights who say Ni was on the borders between DRZ and HRE and so had the opportunity to see what it takes to be in the real war. And then ofc there are the Vietnam flashbacks...

Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Butan on May 16, 2014, 04:34:46 pm
OMG you people without faith - stop panicking. Everything will be okay. If one day on the map remain only UIF factions, this will be beginning of the Great War (not arranged battles), to which everykurwaone will be invited. It will be a civilized war, no dick moves with night time or ladders etc, but the battle will be true, no opening gates or derogate from spawnrape. Best commanders, tactics, eq, full rosters, primetime etc etc. Will be full fun - no scam.

Fuck XP battles - boring and pointless.

+1000 thousand billions


But first please proceed to attacking non-UIF human controlled fiefs: I'm bored trying to defend AI ones all the time with overwhelming odds!

But I welcome your message and it really give me more hope: even if you manage to control the entire map easily (I dont think it will happen or at least not without difficulty) if you do what you say you will do, then strategus will not die before the end date of round 5.
Thank you  :)
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Cicero on May 16, 2014, 04:37:24 pm
+1000 thousand billions


But first please proceed to attacking non-UIF human controlled fiefs: I'm bored trying to defend AI ones all the time with overwhelming odds!

But I welcome your message and it really give me more hope: even if you manage to control the entire map easily (I dont think it will happen or at least not without difficulty) if you do what you say you will do, then strategus will not die before the end date of round 5.
Thank you  :)
I really cant understand french players in crpg.You left all of your fiefs without even fighting against GO then u still whine. Please explain it.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Butan on May 16, 2014, 04:43:47 pm
I'm doing good thanks.

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And my message wasnt ironic, I really enjoyed what Harpag wrote  :)
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Cicero on May 16, 2014, 04:47:33 pm
I'm doing good thanks.

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And my message wasnt ironic, I really enjoyed what Harpag wrote  :)

Yes you are doing good atm ; i am pretty sure i remember it correct that we made a meeting with kinngrimm and his alliance vs ode which last long for 4 hours due to french-english english-french translation.

The point you waved white flag after the milisecond GO attacked then u joined bubustan like the whole ode :)

Ah sorry i forgot that u guys failed to capture wercheg 2x times.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Butan on May 16, 2014, 05:10:53 pm
I'm bubastan since day 1 though  :P  I cant be accounted for other factions so you have taken the wrong rope.

OdE could have done way better in the north-west, its true, and I wished they hadnt failed so badly just for the fact it would have been a way longer and more interesting war.
Also anything to slow down UIF is good  :D so the fact that my cRPG buddies just weakened a castle and then gave away 90% of their troops and gear in one flag-cap village defense, worked for UIF. 

But since Harpag message I now think its not too bad if the non-UIF are steam rolled, if afterward we still have diplomacy/economy/war with the remaining factions.
The steam-rolling wont happen as smoothly as some think though, the north is in a pretty tight alliance and they already have safe garrisons a bit everywhere.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Jack1 on May 16, 2014, 06:57:29 pm
Jack1, just tell me how to exile myself from EU, and I will join the exodus when I'll be unbanned. I don't give a shot about ping, shittalk on chat, or whatever, just want to gtfo to see if there's something better there. And no, DRZ don't give a fuck about ping, since they don't block anyway for the majority  :lol:


go to either the desert or the tundra and go as far right as you can. once you hit the wall switch "viewing" to :NA and it'll show the NA map. click the NA tundra and you'll start heading for it

Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Butan on May 16, 2014, 08:44:59 pm
And then 5 people show up in roster for defense :D


Nahhh, they even manage to have as much as 30-40 people to show up in past midnight AI fights.

You can be dead sure there will be at least 70-80 applicants at each castles/cities defense of the non-UIF, provided there is ample gear and a correct leadership.
Stop saying bad things on EU people playing on the EU map silly HESKEY :3
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Mongolista on May 16, 2014, 09:55:36 pm
Really? Where were they when Kalmars could not fill in the rosters then?
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Butan on May 17, 2014, 12:28:51 am
At the time there was only like 50% of the north people behind KU, and not all of them applied all the time, especially when it began to look bad. Now its the past and the north is way tighter.
I have great hope and it is backed by evidence!  :P
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: ARN_ on May 17, 2014, 01:10:43 am
At the time there was only like 50% of the north people behind KU, and not all of them applied all the time, especially when it began to look bad. Now its the past and the north is way tighter.
I have great hope and it is backed by evidence!  :P
There is nothing to hope for, there was hope in the beginning now it is gone. I rather fight in between the northern guys then fighting UIF again, that would be a even and fun war. You wont ever get that by fighting UIF. But that wont happen either as they are afraid of that UIF can come and attack to wipe them when ever they want.

Strat is as dead as it can be, there is no one strong enough to fight UIF and they don't want to fight each other because is there :S I guess we all could just give away our fiefs to UIF so they can have their "Great war" cause there is nothing else to do, the problem is that no one would be arsed to fight in the battles when they are no longer on the map. Not even uif is able to fill 2 full rosters alone, so that war wouldn't work either. Well there is one thing that would be to let UIF have their war but instead of wiping everyone else first we could divide the other factions in 2 blocks that way both uif and non-uif could have some fun and fair fighting.

Sorry if I wrote so no one can understand, I'm a bit tired :)

Edit* We could also have a 3 block war DRZ vs GO vs the rest could also be fun, but it's all up to uif to decide, I really hope that they see that this is the only chance to save strat
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Butan on May 17, 2014, 02:03:48 am
Its not because what did KU didnt work that anything after will fail. You're bringing sorrow into your analysis, but just looking at the map you will see that there is around 30 cities/castles manned by non-UIF and there is aplenty of players who still play the battles.

Even though I'm not very friendly to the north factions, I will roster for them if UIF comes a-knocking since they dont need me at all. And I think there is a lot of people who think the same.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Kalitorian on May 17, 2014, 02:43:18 am
When we attacked Curaw at 11pm we had 70ppl apply for us. So yes a full roster is easily possible, especially when Seljuks are rostering for you.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on May 17, 2014, 06:28:47 am
Why is this stupid thread still shit posting. Someone lock this and send it straight to hell.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: ARN_ on May 17, 2014, 09:41:35 am
Its not because what did KU didnt work that anything after will fail. You're bringing sorrow into your analysis, but just looking at the map you will see that there is around 30 cities/castles manned by non-UIF and there is aplenty of players who still play the battles.

Even though I'm not very friendly to the north factions, I will roster for them if UIF comes a-knocking since they dont need me at all. And I think there is a lot of people who think the same.
Well the numbers doesn't lie the north could fight either GO or DRZ and win even if one of those supported by Kapis but they will not only be fighting one of them, they will be fighting both. The northern guys control 6 towns together, go 4 and drz 6 and the castles I don't even want to count. But you know what's scares me most that is their silver, it's crazy how much they got, they don't even need to attack us to win a war they can just send up armies to stop us from trading and we would die of running out of silver...

I really want to believe that non-uif can fight uif but I find it very hard to believe
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Kalitorian on May 17, 2014, 11:23:28 am
We all had somehow thought that Kinngrimm still had an ace up his sleeve...
But sadly the entire northern alliance spent their time doing nothing. When we arrived in Rduna and I took over for Chris I declared war on Fenris and prepared to defend our village against the coming attack. But instead of being attacked clans of the northern alliance joined us and two of the almost immediatly offered us peace. After two month Kinngrimm still didn`t have the resources to crush a one-village-faction. If Kalmars would have attacked him his alliance would have collapsed immediatly.

Atleast now we have a strong alliance in the north. Let`s hope the great war will last for more than a week.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Tovi on May 17, 2014, 11:27:12 am
The only clan who can fight DRZ is the GO. But they are too coward for that.
There is actually some IA town, but after that the game will be over, we can reset to another round.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Kalitorian on May 17, 2014, 12:20:17 pm
The only clan who can fight DRZ is the GO. But they are too coward for that.
There is actually some IA town, but after that the game will be over, we can reset to another round.
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Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Algarn on May 17, 2014, 12:24:14 pm
Kali, OdE lost all its equipment and a lot of tickets at the first attack of Jelbegi (which no one applied for in defense). It's madness to send guys to a certain death without any decent stuff to wear.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Kalitorian on May 17, 2014, 12:35:12 pm
Jelbegi was 41 vs 41 on equal gear. They put 4k good gear inside a fucking village...
Those 4k of good gear could have been put to good use in Tihr. Also they tried to join the UIF once they saw how badly the Anti-UIF was doing.

Overall one could easily say that OdE and Pecores behaved cowardly, turned down alliance offers in a very arrogant way and showed that they completely lack organization. Overall their performance could be called underwhelming.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Nessaj on May 17, 2014, 12:36:31 pm
I don't really see what people otherwise expect, based on previous Strat history. Trust means everything.

We could - or at least have had a fair chance - defeated them all in Strat 3, through the (first) mighty HOLY LANDS DESERT CAMPAIGN, we were holding their "proxies" off quite well until wolves/fenris butchered the alliance (via purely meta-gaming) in favor of UIF support; Otherwise we'd probably have a major alliance today, powerful and strategic competent enough to fight any major group.

Betrayal, neglect, being untrustworthy, not coming through on arrangements etc, are what creates these super tight alliances, because people will continue to try something new until they find someone trustworthy, someone dependable, someone as dedicated as themselves, and when that happens it'll stick forever.

The only side I never experienced any betrayal in, where people came through on promises and didn't bail "just because" was with GO/DRZ (UIF), every other alliance or group back-stabbed each other or didn't come through on some sort of deal (troops/items/gold), leaving one side completely skewed in a war, and if you've spent a good deal of time arranging something for it to fall flat to the ground due to others not doing what they told you they would, well that just sucks, who would want to go through that multiple times? Nah you stick with those you can trust then.

All needed is an Alliance where people will actually do for each other what they promise, for just one full campaign to the end, which takes time and effort, then you would have more than a fair shot against the strongest factions.
Though unfortunately I think no matter what someone will betray that alliance :mad: (which sorta lends to the realistic medieval feel too I guess  :wink:)
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Tovi on May 17, 2014, 12:36:36 pm
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We faced the GO invasion alone while Templars backstabbed us. We have no lesson to receive from anybody. What have you done yourself ?
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Kalitorian on May 17, 2014, 01:04:02 pm
We managed to take several castles and town. You attempted the same thing three times and failed miserably.
We got wiped by DRZ just like you got wiped by GO. But atleast we didnt try to join them and we atleast managed to defend Aab once. We also supported Kalmars in their wars.

If you have no lesson to receive from anybody than I really pity you.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Tovi on May 17, 2014, 01:08:46 pm
We didn't tried to join them. And we couldn"t take any town with only half of our roster filled.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Kalitorian on May 17, 2014, 02:12:46 pm
We didn't tried to join them. And we couldn"t take any town with only half of our roster filled.
Kinngrimm had the same problem after he had pissed off too many people. Maybe some people didnt apply for you because you have pissed them off (btw I was in your roster everytime you attacked Wercheg).
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on May 17, 2014, 03:33:07 pm
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Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Cicero on May 17, 2014, 03:45:25 pm
We didn't tried to join them. And we couldn"t take any town with only half of our roster filled.
I can granty you that after the 4 hours diplomacy with ode none of seljuks want to fight for you.

We tried to tell you sooner or later GO will come for you and wipe you out and i told you that we know u guys are trying to join UIF which u guys rejected but its pretty sure that we even got information from your own translater in diplomacy talks between ode and nebun :)

U guys high amounth of members but lack of commanding / strategy is the reason why u guys dont even have any fief atm.

@cooties

We even want to backstab each other :) Back stab is drama and drama is fun.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Tovi on May 17, 2014, 05:17:52 pm
Kinngrimm had the same problem after he had pissed off too many people. Maybe some people didnt apply for you because you have pissed them off (btw I was in your roster everytime you attacked Wercheg).

In fact I don't even know who you are. Nor why you insult my clan or my country.


We'eve lost all our fiefs because you are all bunch of gays with no borders with the GO.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Yarl on May 17, 2014, 05:22:12 pm


@cooties

We even want to backstab each other :) Back stab is drama and drama is fun.
yeah
drama is fun
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Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Kalitorian on May 17, 2014, 06:47:39 pm
In fact I don't even know who you are. Nor why you insult my clan or my country.


We'eve lost all our fiefs because you are all bunch of gays with no borders with the GO.
How did I insult your country? I just poked at a national stereotype of yours, the French being known for cowardice.

I did not directly insult your clan I just stated that I`m shocked how underwhelming your perfomance in this strat round is.

Coorporation got wiped at the very beginning of Strat. Do you see us whining on the forums that everyone is gay for not helping us? No you don`t.
And no it`s not about sharing borders. Look at the fucking map and see with whom we are sharing borders.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Butan on May 17, 2014, 08:34:00 pm
How did I insult your country? I just poked at a national stereotype of yours, the French being known for cowardice.

Cowardice is an insult  :P



Look at the fucking map and see with whom we are sharing borders.

This would be a sound analogy if you had just began to try to get your hand on your first castle/city right today.
North-east managed to get most AI fiefs under control while the north-west, the center, and the east was invaded by UIF. If they had invaded in a different order things would have been very different.
The strategus world is one big chain of events!

What is true now, and what many people still dont "believe in", is that we finally have non-UIF empires ready to deal with massive invasions on their own: massive battles incoming...

I hope they geared the fiefs accordingly though  :)  50% of a victory in strategus is from logistic.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: woody on May 18, 2014, 02:08:09 am
It was simply too many rounds with the same people.

Same alliances, same people disliking each other etc. Everything became entrenched and just reruns of previous betrayals etc. Payback in strat 4 for stuff in strat 2, how silly. Its just a game.


Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Tovi on May 18, 2014, 08:14:03 am
How did I insult your country? I just poked at a national stereotype of yours, the French being known for cowardice.

I did not directly insult your clan I just stated that I`m shocked how underwhelming your perfomance in this strat round is.

Coorporation got wiped at the very beginning of Strat. Do you see us whining on the forums that everyone is gay for not helping us? No you don`t.
And no it`s not about sharing borders. Look at the fucking map and see with whom we are sharing borders.

In fact no. France is know for is courage. You are talking about W.Bush propaganda bullshit. French knights were known to charge blindly in english archery, or called "Furia Frencese" in Italy. Napoleon soldiers were feared to their  charging/close combat tactic, and during WW1 we 've lost thousands of men by charging enemy in open field.
Only stupid bushists talk about french cowardness, but they forget than without France they may have the english Queen on their dollar instead of Washington's face.

You can say we are stupid, but you can't say we are coward.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on May 18, 2014, 08:23:04 am
In fact no. France is know for is courage. You are talking about W.Bush propaganda bullshit. French knights were known to charge blindly in english archery, or called "Furia Frencese" in Italy. Napoleon soldiers were feared to their  charging/close combat tactic, and during WW1 we 've lost thousands of men by charging enemy in open field.
Only stupid bushists talk about french cowardness, but they forget than without France they may have the english Queen on their dollar instead of Washington's face.

You can say we are stupid, but you can't say we are coward.

Yeah, so despite your performance in any conflict besides World War II, the failure of the Maginot Line and the fact that nearly every major clash in WWI was fought upon your soil, absolutely wrecking your economy and destroying the inhabitants' desire to fight has apparently sealed France's fate as being remembered as cowards that wave the white flag at every opportunity presented to them.

Which is pretty fucking stupid, and this is coming from an Amerifat.

Sorry for all that.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Kalitorian on May 18, 2014, 01:02:42 pm
Every country has a history of mindless bravery. The French can thank the Americans for the stereotype of cowardice.
We all are being judged for where we are from. The French are being mocked when they retreat/surrender, the Germans are called chocolate chip cookies when they show some Patriotism and ofc all the "Poland stole my car" jokes.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Algarn on May 18, 2014, 01:14:53 pm
Instead of all the off topic with steteotypes/clichés/bragging, what about coming back to the topic ?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Mongolista on May 18, 2014, 01:44:33 pm
If you do manage to mysteriously get full rosters now, it really is a bit of an insult to the factions who tried to fight them before and never got rosters

this ^

Expecting the people that needed your help when UIF was knocking on their door to help you now just because you have the common enemy is a mockery in their faces. I have seen several Nords and Fallens even joining UIF sides during the Kalmar battles when Kalmars had less people in the roster. Laughing at OdEs for rejecting any diplomacy or invitations to alliances and getting steam-rolled by GO after not getting their rosters full while you ignore the alliances fighting UIF until the point you gotta face them makes you not only a coward but also a hypocrite. Enjoy defending your villages, if you had helped us before you coud've had much more ppl on strat on your side now, if you had helped us this war could've resulted in our victory, you're alone now, enjoy the 60-70 very active defenders while it lasts because Id pretty much bet these reliable players will not be there 24/7 and some of them will even give up after weeks and weeks of 2h battles everyday where you obviously stand no chance, because it's the battle of economy and you're surrounded by enemies.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Kalitorian on May 18, 2014, 03:11:03 pm
The Coorporation was on Kalmars side from the beginning. We provided roster support and we even joined their attack on DRZ.
From the first second of this Strat the Coorp was anti-UIF and we did our best to support most anti-UIF efforts.
Also you are missing the point once again. OdE had a full roster. Look it up in the battle archive.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Mr.K. on May 18, 2014, 04:31:29 pm
Getting a full roster isn't everything. We had the UIF rosters last strat which meant that at times we had lvl35 guys outside a full roster and the average level was 34. This strat going against the UIF we could barely muster a full roster by accepting lvl twenty-somethings the average being somewhere around 28. And that's just the levels, then there's the quality of the playerbase. The most experienced and skilled players were either not playing strategus or were playing it on the UIF side. This includes the Nords and the Fallens which Mongolista already mentioned. Clans like Eques never gave us roster support in numbers, neither did the OdE or any other of the big northern clans. That was a huge problem for us and meant we lost even the battles we were supposed to win easily.

And yes, the Bros and Barabes helped us and we are thankful for that. There were tons of other clans that did nothing though and you'll probably see this happen on this new northern alliance as well. I hope it won't because at least that way you might have a few nice battles before the UIF grinds you down with superior economy.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Mongolista on May 18, 2014, 05:29:01 pm
dont worry Kali I wasnt talking to you, I was talking to Butan, I know you guys did the best you could to support us, but there are others who didnt, who now claim they got enough people and resources to tackle UIF off and Im asking why do they appear now when the threat is at their door and not two months ago when we were in their situation. Pretty selfish move if you ask me.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Butan on May 18, 2014, 05:41:51 pm
A roster has always been a fickle thing, there is so many parameters that you can only wonder Bethrezen, noone can answer you truthfully.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Mongolista on May 18, 2014, 05:49:00 pm
A roster has always been a fickle thing, there is so many parameters that you can only wonder Bethrezen, noone can answer you truthfully.

Yet somehow you can promise to have them full in the future, seems like its more fickle for some than for the others ;) Im glad the rest of the North finally realized they need to work together, its just the way you guys had to learn that makes me sad.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Butan on May 18, 2014, 08:05:07 pm
I dont promise, I saw them, I was in the battles! You only have to go into the archives and look the roster the north can support.

Except if they magically disappear in the future (you never know, it is indeed fickle!) for whatever reasons there is a strong potential for cool battles ahead!
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Mongolista on May 18, 2014, 09:12:35 pm
I know Im getting annoying with this, but again there already was a strong potential for cool battles and only a small amount of people took the chance to participate in them. I hope youre right and something has changed and all those players who forgot to participate in earlier wars are gonna show up now (or already did) and will finally balance the odds. You may be right, I havent been playing strat in the last two months so I cannot say whether there has been any rise in anti-UIF players. Nonetheless there is nothing that will justify these people in the eyes of those who needed their help, yet they had better things to do and suddenly when its their fiefs at the risk they can show up and defend their territory.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Butan on May 18, 2014, 10:16:58 pm
Whats also important is 99% of the players dont care about politics, they only care about the XP, the gear and their winning chance.
The closest thing to a "roster control" we have on strategus is the leadership of players who encourage, discipline and give a purpose to everyone.
There is also the overall diplomacy: either personal relationships or roster alliances.

A combination of luck, numbers and loyalty.


If those who played aggressively with the Kalmar Union at the beginning of strat 5 felt betrayed by lack of support, there is a strong chance they will return the favor and that is perfectly normal.
It is already happening, I see almost no Kalmar Union, nor Council of Calradia, nor others who were there (sorry if I dont mention your faction) in the recent battles.

Lots of those people stopped playing strat, especially those who invested their utmost in the initial bid for destruction of the UIF by frontal attacks.
Without them, the world continue to live. Without them, the non-UIF is still large enough to provide the common man with XP, gear and winning chance.
If they were to come back, either on the map or in the battles or both, not only we would have a more balanced map, but there would be a stronger chance that the tide can be turned.

Its up to all of us, if we want something bad you just have to do it yourself and be a part of this world.
Strategus has a lot of life like elements and its one of them.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: ARN_ on May 18, 2014, 10:30:50 pm
Whats also important is 99% of the players dont care about politics, they only care about the XP, the gear and their winning chance.
The closest thing to a "roster control" we have on strategus is the leadership of players who encourage, discipline and give a purpose to everyone.
There is also the overall diplomacy: either personal relationships or roster alliances.

A combination of luck, numbers and loyalty.


If those who played aggressively with the Kalmar Union at the beginning of strat 5 felt betrayed by lack of support, there is a strong chance they will return the favor and that is perfectly normal.
It is already happening, I see almost no Kalmar Union, nor Council of Calradia, nor others who were there (sorry if I dont mention your faction) in the recent battles.

Lots of those people stopped playing strat, especially those who invested their utmost in the initial bid for destruction of the UIF by frontal attacks.
Without them, the world continue to live. Without them, the non-UIF is still large enough to provide the common man with XP, gear and winning chance.
If they were to come back, either on the map or in the battles or both, not only we would have a more balanced map, but there would be a stronger chance that the tide can be turned.

Its up to all of us, if we want something bad you just have to do it yourself and be a part of this world.
Strategus has a lot of life like elements and its one of them.
Pls Butan stop talking about how the other factions should fight the uif when the only thing your own faction has done is helping uif...

Also you talk like there is a chance of winning, let me tell you there is non the anti-uif might win a battle or two but they'll never win a war never. That is of course if you can't magically conjure a 50k shiny army and lots of millions of silver
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Algarn on May 18, 2014, 10:44:25 pm
Pls Butan stop talking about how the other factions should fight the uif when the only thing your own faction has done is helping uif...

Also you talk like there is a chance of winning, let me tell you there is non the anti-uif might win a battle or two but they'll never win a war never. That is of course if you can't magically conjure a 50k shiny army and lots of millions of silver

You forget something. Players. Conjure players that aren't pissed off by this shit. See that people even gone to NA as they were tired of EU strat. No one wants to play anymore, and no one will, unless there is a change, with something that penalizes greatly huge factions.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: ARN_ on May 18, 2014, 10:49:51 pm
You forget something. Players. Conjure players that aren't pissed off by this shit. See that people even gone to NA as they were tired of EU strat. No one wants to play anymore, and no one will, unless there is a change, with something that penalizes greatly huge factions.
That too
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Butan on May 18, 2014, 10:59:06 pm
I'm speaking objectively of something that I'm a part of: strategus.

I dont see how the fact I'm a bandit forbid me to use my brain and speak of whats up.
Dont do a Cicero on me Arn, you're better than this  :P

Also you talk like there is a chance of winning, let me tell you there is non the anti-uif might win a battle or two but they'll never win a war never. That is of course if you can't magically conjure a 50k shiny army and lots of millions of silver

Never said there is a chance to "win" (what is winning for you?), but some people here says that basically the rest of the non-UIF is going to be 1st wave flag-capped even in their castles and cities.
Thats a gross under-estimation of facts.

Those facts can be argued on, and I'm ready to argue with you if you bring an argument.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Kalitorian on May 18, 2014, 11:21:06 pm
Nah, it'll be first wave flag-cap in the field battles and villages, by the time you get to cities and castles your fickle roster will decide it has better things to do, then you'll be flag capped in those. UIF get's full 3-clan banner stack even against unarmed traders lol, fickle rosters wont stand up against that.
Why do you think we will place our largest armies in our villages like OdE did?
Why should we fight them in field battles?

I perfectly well know how fickle players are. Our base morale is very low compared to the UIF morale. So we need to use what little morale we have wisely...
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: ARN_ on May 18, 2014, 11:33:44 pm
Butan my point is that someone who haven't been fighting the uif but instead helped have no right to say what the others who actually fight them should do. You may not realise it but your banditing up in the played a big part in why no northern faction helped us fight and then you even attack those who had their hands full fighting the uif already,yea sure I have no problem with that but then don't come afterwards and tell us what to do.
If you are so eager to fight they uif then go and attack them, I for myself have done my part and can talk about how to fight uif and no one can say other wise

Winning for me is keeping the UIF at bay, keeping about the same borders as we have now maybe lose or take some fiefs, but that wont happen when uif decides to strike the anti-uif is domed. Even if they win every battle UIF will have more troops and silver to win the war just grinding it down, hell they don't even have to fight battles just keep us from trading and we are dead.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: ARN_ on May 18, 2014, 11:43:18 pm
unless there is a change, with something that penalizes greatly huge factions.
Also about that, the problem isn't in the huge factions in itself, the problem is that the huge factions are allied
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Butan on May 18, 2014, 11:49:24 pm
I was speaking 100% on a common player strategus point of view, based on my own experience.
You're not arguing on that subject but on what I'm doing with my own dot on the map.


Now, if you want to speak of that, I'm really proud that we fucked a lot of factions over with bubastan and I take your message as a honest compliment.
There is more than 2 sides on the strategus round 5 map, and you have problems dealing with this fact, like kinngrimm did  8-)  its not a revelation to me nor should it influence this thread subject a whole lot. Case closed?  :P
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Nessaj on May 19, 2014, 12:33:28 am
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Mr.K. on May 19, 2014, 02:06:30 am
Now, if you want to speak of that, I'm really proud that we fucked a lot of factions over with bubastan and I take your message as a honest compliment.
There is more than 2 sides on the strategus round 5 map

What? You actually think anyone cares about Bubastan on the map? You won one battle against us for a few hundred crates, maybe a few against the northern factions and none against the UIF. When 70% of the map allies with each other and claims a shared victory, it's game over. There are no incentives to "win" in Strategus which is why it's failing. You can hide by saying it's not you that's supposed to do anything about it, but we all know you yourself Butan are one of those guys that could do something about this. I'm sure you know this as well as all the other leaders of any big clan in this game.

UIF are really, really well organized, especially the DRZ. They are dedicated and hardworking and we should all appreciate that, but I don't think they will enjoy this "victory" very much either.

Also, Nordmen :lol:
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Kalitorian on May 19, 2014, 08:46:36 am
I`m quite certain that the UIF will wage war among themselves soon. The only real question is whether or not they want to stomp us first.

One of the few really interesting things this Strat would be the northern alliance attacking Bubastan. But I somehow think that no faction in the north wants to use their own troops to do it.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: ARN_ on May 19, 2014, 10:10:49 am
Butan I only get the impression that you only want anti-uif to fight uif so that you can take that opportunity and screw anti-uif over again as you seem so proud of have done that before.

I don't understand how you can say you are proud of screwing stuff up for anti-uif then tell them what to do. As I said before I have no problem with you doing your own thing and play as bandits but then don't say anything about the situation now as you are big part of why thing looks like it does.

You say you speak form a common players point of view and to that I call bullshit, to all the common players I say the same as to you fight uif yourself before you can tell anyone else to, simple as that.

I'm sorry for sounding mad, but that's cause I am when I know many who have done so much for this strat has given up and now some who hasn't done a shit starts to tell the others what to do...
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Mongolista on May 19, 2014, 11:33:10 am
Im all up for roleplay, but there needs to be some logic in that, if you first see antiUIF struggling with the UIF and use the opportunity to take a piece off the antiUIF as well then dont be surprised antiUIF is gonna have hard times. If youre roleplaying you shouldve joined the UIF by now, if youre fighting for antiUIF now, youre being months late.

Edit: Theres also one more thing, the UIF does not tolerate roleplay, as you could see a very quick end to Mercs.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Cicero on May 19, 2014, 11:55:05 am
It is really interesting to read since i played all strategus versions and only didnt lead a clan in the first strategus but still cant talk like you guys ; so experienced please teach me.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: GRANDMOM on May 19, 2014, 12:00:51 pm
I had hoped that when the idea of "excluding" the UIF totally came up the non-UIF clans would start wars among themselfs, fun wars, small wars and good wars. It didnt, and instead a new alliance was formed to stand up against the UIF. I wish members of it good luck.

I truly believed that we could hurt the UIF initially, some events made it alot harder:

* 1. Gear prices changing
* 2. Lack of capability of the northern clans as a whole
* 3. Shogunate settling where they did
* 4. Kapikulus going UIF

1. At the start of strat 5 we had more than 15 HA:s in the clan, with the old prices an HA ticket would cost about 100 gold (sumpter, nomad, 3*arrows)which meant we could make several smaller armies going in to harass the UIF trade from day 4-5 of strat, disturbing them, hurting them - making things harder for them. 15 HA spawning at the same time makes about 750 arrows to shoot peasants with, and since most people relayed on the peasant gear and numbers in their caravans for the first 4-5 weeks it would have been interessteing to see where this would have gone. Pricechanges made this impossible

2. The north was surprisingly slow in taking fiefs and organising themselfs, we had the support from some of them but most of them were invisible. Internal conflicts, problems in dealing with Bubastan, trade not working out and so on.

3. Shogunate, settling center, normally a UIF supporter changed our initial plan aswell, we needed to act since going through their lands to fight the GO would be to dangerous, Shogunates needed to be stopped before taking castles and towns otherwise they would be to strong and Go could use their lands as a highway into any part of the east/north clans fighting the UIF later on in the game. While fighting them UIF grew stronger which we knew, but right then and there we saw no other option since Shogunates already traded with the UIF and Corsair claimed he would never turn on the UIF.

4. Kapikulus, claimed a large peace of land, made trade easy for GO and themselfs, fought in UIF rosters. They havent fought a war since the beginning of strat

If all northern clans would have started playing strat when strat started - this could have been interessting, sadly they didnt so it isnt.

I wish you all the best luck in defending against UIF, this round it will be harder though since they can use crime to flush you out - which they couldnt last strat. You cant avoid fighting them in the open Kalitorian, they will siege you untill you have to leave your castles and towns or die of crime.






Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Switchtense on May 19, 2014, 01:18:39 pm
You only need 2 letters to make everything a whole lot better.

NA
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Kalitorian on May 19, 2014, 01:54:00 pm
Yeah sure. Like NA clans wouldnt fight us when we marched our 20k troops across the border...
Some might be happy because we would bring more war to NA but most of them would curse us.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Switchtense on May 19, 2014, 03:34:18 pm
Yeah sure. Like NA clans wouldnt fight us when we marched our 20k troops across the border...
Some might be happy because we would bring more war to NA but most of them would curse us.

Yea of course they would.
Hell, we just managed to get a roster when we attacked Tulga because Heskey and I have quite the connections from the previous strat, and because of doing some diplomacy like 10 minutes before the battle started.

But what do you think is more fun? Sitting in some fiefs in EU, basically sitting ducks until the big roflstomp by UIF, or try and get a foothold somewhere in NA, which might lead to your troops being wiped, or with you actually taking a fief and settling in NA for good?

Of course there will be the usual shouts like "EU scum, go back to EU you scrubs" But would it be any different if NA players came to EU? :D
If you don't behave like a huge windowlicking cunt you will at some point be accepted by them and then it really is a huge load of fun.

NA is much better than EU has ever been (ever since I started half way through last strat)
Wouldn't wanna go back to EU even if UIf was to disappear or whatever.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Butan on May 19, 2014, 03:45:54 pm
I dont know which crowd I have to argue against : those who say bubastan is a force of evil which needs to join anti-UIF or shut up (good old, good old), or those who say bubastan is a tiny useless faction noone cares about (and nor should I).


If all northern clans would have started playing strat when strat started - this could have been easier, sadly they didnt so it is harder.

Fixed it for you  :twisted:
It is even harder with KU loyalists hibernating.
Re-activate, goddammit. I dont forget my pledges nor do I forget the good shit we done in the end of strat 4.



HESKEYTIME and Arn you are over-estimating my brain power when you make paranoiac comments on why I say things or why bubastan has done what they have done.
Bubastan is a live thing, we go with the flow, it pushed us from the steppe, to rhodok mountains, to the steppes again, to the north.
I never professed to teach anyone what to do against UIF or for UIF or how to plant tomatoes, I have merely analyzed the strenghts in presence on the map and I continue to insist : EU strategus isnt dead, there is many players non affiliated to UIF who actively apply for battles (even battles between non-UIF factions).

And then if Harpag says the truth, even if UIF wipes us all, it wont be dead ever... Well, it will end but it wont be dead.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: GRANDMOM on May 19, 2014, 04:19:42 pm

It is even harder with KU loyalists hibernating.
Re-activate, goddammit. I dont forget my pledges nor do I forget the good shit we done in the end of strat 4.

And then if Harpag says the truth, even if UIF wipes us all, it wont be dead ever... Well, it will end but it wont be dead.

Butan, I love you....but,

in my point of view, this game is about different things for different players, it also means different things to the same guy depending on how long it has been played or how much time he has to put into it. All have their own goals, and most of the times they dont align.

For me personally, it is the strategic challenge that I can pursue together with a team of friends and allies versus an adversary that is even with us or tougher/better/stronger than me and my clan. Ganking a weak opponent wouldnt "do it" for me. For others its about the K/D ratio in battles, some men like the trade and others to have a title saying they own shit in strategus - to most people its about the XP in battles.

We tried, and we failed - mostly me

I couldnt foresee some of the events that happened, I couldnt understand why all clans outside the UIF werent gonna give all they had to be able to beat the biggest challenge in the game, I couldnt understand why internal conflicts between clans in the north occured, or why old grudges between players/clans had to be carried from one strat into the next and be obstacles when fighting the enemy they all had in common. I couldnt understand how people could not seize the oppurtunity to at least try before UIF got to strong.

I have no problems with Bubastan acting bandits, I know you are not telling people what or how to do things - I know you care for the game itself and that you see it as frustrating that there wont be even fights when UIF comes. If the UIF wants to do their best, they can take out the north in 2 weeks if they wanted to.

and about what Harpag says - yes ofc, but in my book that wouldnt matter much, for others it might





Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: jtobiasm on May 19, 2014, 05:16:52 pm
hehe, long live bubastan
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Switchtense on May 19, 2014, 11:36:51 pm
I couldnt foresee some of the events that happened, I couldnt understand why all clans outside the UIF werent gonna give all they had to be able to beat the biggest challenge in the game, I couldnt understand why internal conflicts between clans in the north occured, or why old grudges between players/clans had to be carried from one strat into the next and be obstacles when fighting the enemy they all had in common. I couldnt understand how people could not seize the oppurtunity to at least try before UIF got to strong.

You cannot assume that everybody is willing to work towards the "greater good".

People are assholes and they always focus on their own benefit, not caring much about others, especially if they cannot gain an edge from helping them.

All fighting together against the UIF would mean that some of those factions would have been wiped from the start, or at least lost all their troops and gear or whatever.

"Why would I throw all my troops against that giant if I can let the others attack it first, so I will not be defenceless in the end?" - Anti-UIF mentality

Everbody would gladly have their "allies" charge the enemy, as long as they themselves are not losing any precious troops or gear.

And this is why a decent Anti-UIF will never work. Not even if there were another 50 Strategus rounds to happen in future.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: GRANDMOM on May 20, 2014, 12:29:55 am

People are assholes and they always focus on their own benefit, not caring much about others, especially if they cannot gain an edge from helping them.


This

Only, not beeing able to see what actually benefits them in the long run is kind of strange, I mean its not rocket science  :mrgreen:


Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Cicero on May 20, 2014, 09:07:49 am
hehe, long live bubastan
Let me tell you something ;

Wataga was way more better than Bubustan ; as UIF we tried to convert them and use them for our goods but they always rejected due to they didnt want to fight on stronger side and they totally made us paranoid because even if you think its the best and safe road wataga was there in the woods waiting for your caravan.

Bubustan is totally nothing ; dont take it as offensive.You guys are just buying goods or selling goods in our fiefs because most of north clans dont fuckin check strategus map in every min.We took at least 1000 goods from bubustan or his friends :)

You guys only managed to ninja a castle due to failgrim's fault.I am not gonna underrate neither call it great achievement.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: jtobiasm on May 20, 2014, 11:35:32 am
Cicero I love you man but I'm not into all this who did what over start.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Cicero on May 20, 2014, 11:41:29 am
I did not answer or question you it was random pick :)

Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Butan on May 20, 2014, 05:19:01 pm
I couldnt foresee some of the events that happened






We strive to achieve greater things Cicero  :twisted:

Since we wasted so much time and ressources in the beginning of strategus (basically got wiped twice in 2 months), we had to start anew "somewhere" and that somewhere happened to be the future headquarter of our most stubborn and annoying enemy. Give us some time and we will try to be greater... this round of strategus is still young.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: buba on May 20, 2014, 05:26:01 pm
Let me tell you something ;

Wataga was way more better than Bubustan ; as UIF we tried to convert them and use them for our goods but they always rejected due to they didnt want to fight on stronger side and they totally made us paranoid because even if you think its the best and safe road wataga was there in the woods waiting for your caravan.

Bubustan is totally nothing ; dont take it as offensive.You guys are just buying goods or selling goods in our fiefs because most of north clans dont fuckin check strategus map in every min.We took at least 1000 goods from bubustan or his friends :)

You guys only managed to ninja a castle due to failgrim's fault.I am not gonna underrate neither call it great achievement.

Wataga was for me at least an inspiration to start a raiding faction in the first place.
And we did our raiding, and are not stopping anytime soon.
But Wataga died in the last part of the last round, but look at Bubastan :going strong, still attacking, still raiding.
Still I agree, Wataga was better. When I was with coalition even I kept a close eye out for them, even though they never really hurt me.
I always respected those guys for what they did, shake up and created chaos for both anti UIF and UIF alike.

"We took at least 1000 goods from bubustan or his friends :)"

Aww, thats cute. And what friends? We do not have any...







Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Butan on May 20, 2014, 05:28:20 pm
I couldnt foresee some of the events that happened

I'm sure somewhere deep inside you understand why GRANDMOM.
Its tough to unite the world, only the greatest of leaders managed to IRL, and even then it was mostly due to luck and timely events. I had my doubts since the beginning and my doubts proved to be true... but it could have been wrong, there is so much things that one needs to take into account to understand why, and I think that most of it is out of our own reach and influence.

Like someone told me recently (I think it sums it up real nice), strategus never ends, not even between rounds, its only a pause between the same players who will continue what they were doing before.
We have to deal with it and try to "fix" it in our own way, or go with the flow, or do both  :wink:



For me personally, it is the strategic challenge that I can pursue together with a team of friends and allies versus an adversary that is even with us or tougher/better/stronger than me and my clan.

How come you dont see the current strategus as an opportunity to do just that?

Your crusade was the first big war.
The second big war is coming and you can still do what you wanted to, you dont even have to manage a big ass alliance yourself, its already there and waiting for you.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Cicero on May 20, 2014, 07:16:11 pm
Wataga was for me at least an inspiration to start a raiding faction in the first place.
And we did our raiding, and are not stopping anytime soon.
But Wataga died in the last part of the last round, but look at Bubastan :going strong, still attacking, still raiding.
Still I agree, Wataga was better. When I was with coalition even I kept a close eye out for them, even though they never really hurt me.
I always respected those guys for what they did, shake up and created chaos for both anti UIF and UIF alike.

"We took at least 1000 goods from bubustan or his friends :)"

Aww, thats cute. And what friends? We do not have any...
Not really we talked with wataga many times offered them many fiefs they answered as " we dont want to help stronger side "

They didnt crate chaos for anyone out of UIF.

I tried to say that bubustan dont have any leader so its more likely that party of friends ; didnt mean that u guys are workin for UIF.

My point was ; its really easy to hunt anti-uif.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: buba on May 20, 2014, 08:17:17 pm
" and they totally made us paranoid"

"They didnt crate chaos for anyone out of UIF."

Wait what? :/
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Kalitorian on May 20, 2014, 08:26:47 pm
Cicero and his clan BashiBazouk were part of the UIF.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Kalp on May 20, 2014, 09:07:34 pm
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Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: GRANDMOM on May 20, 2014, 10:12:20 pm
I'm sure somewhere deep inside you understand why GRANDMOM.

Like someone told me recently (I think it sums it up real nice), strategus never ends, not even between rounds, its only a pause between the same players who will continue what they were doing before.
We have to deal with it and try to "fix" it in our own way, or go with the flow, or do both  :wink:

How come you dont see the current strategus as an opportunity to do just that?

Your crusade was the first big war.
The second big war is coming and you can still do what you wanted to, you dont even have to manage a big ass alliance yourself, its already there and waiting for you.

Yes, I understand why but it was the biggest challenge so I had to try - we failed to unite enough clans, make people forget about past grudges and make them believe and trust in each other - and thats that

Strategus does end, all things end - this game is over, why because the UIF won it. No, they havent completely killed everyone on the map, but they are victors. Right now they are waiting for the opposition to get stronger so there will be some sort of fight, in my book when an adversary does that it means its over. If he can win but choses not to because he wants more out of it before killing his opponent it is over. The cat playing with the mouse before killing it.

There was an oppurtunity, when UIF wasnt as strong as it is now, and the gap between the two blocks was small - I am not in for playing a strategygame where my side of the team settles with just having some "fun" battles, or hoping to finish strat with one or two castles because the opponents cant be arsed to take them - and by holding them claiming some sort of "victory" for their clan.

The second "big" war will be a small war, over in a flash IF the UIF wants it to be, adding a tired Granny to it wont change that

Give me 30-40 guys that actually want to win the round, dedicated and active under the same banner - then we could start talking  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Butan on May 20, 2014, 10:48:19 pm
The second "big" war will be a small war, over in a flash IF the UIF wants it to be.

I take the bets. Start showing the money!

Give me 30-40 guys that actually want to win the round, dedicated and active under the same banner - then we could start talking  :mrgreen:

You know what I think  :mrgreen:


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Must be funny being in UIF and reading this thread  :P
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Cicero on May 20, 2014, 10:56:05 pm
Must be funny being in UIF and reading this thread  :P

I can definitly tell you that they dont have fun in this strategus.

They are playing trade simulator.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Harpag on May 20, 2014, 11:19:21 pm
Wataga - biggest pain in the ass ever!
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Butan on May 26, 2014, 01:48:45 pm
I hope they geared the fiefs accordingly though  :)  50% of a victory in strategus is from logistic.

Nevermind.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Kalitorian on May 26, 2014, 02:12:11 pm
Nevermind.
Dramug and Radoghir are difficult to defend even if you have good EQ. So we decided to not waste too much EQ on those castles.
We have better EQ in Reyvadin, Curaw, Wercheg and Rindyar.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Cicero on May 26, 2014, 02:14:18 pm
Give the amount of the gear , also where u gonna defend most and which side gonna be best for enemy.

Ah i was going to forget can you re take it if they capture ?
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Butan on May 26, 2014, 03:09:02 pm
I hope so Kalitorian, because I was feeling desesperate from a player point of view yesterday  :(

Are you sure those cities are better defense positions? On average (except for a few like Dhirim) castles are easier to control.
Anyway, lets continue to have as good rosters as we did !
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Lt_Anders on May 26, 2014, 10:05:12 pm
I hope so Kalitorian, because I was feeling desesperate from a player point of view yesterday  :(

Are you sure those cities are better defense positions? On average (except for a few like Dhirim) castles are easier to control.
Anyway, lets continue to have as good rosters as we did !

Tilbaut and Rindyar are the 2 most DEFENSIBLE FIEFS in the damn game. Dhirim is a pretty close contender for those, but Dhirim can be taken easily enough if you gear your army SPECIFICALLY with short weapons with high damage.

The two castles though, are on the other side of the shit to take. Gotta have enough ladders, catapults and seige gear to fund an assault on 3 other easier targets.

In our defenses of Tilbaut, the squids brought over 700 ladders in 4 battles and never really had enough. they went through 2 catapults in 1 siege and 3 in the fourth and were only able to get the wall in 1 siege down to half way. In the fourth siege the catapults didn't get a single shot off.

Rindyar is just as bad and you can put up some ladders blocking access to entire sections of the wall in one stroke. Catapults don't work due to tons of other shit and bad terrain.

Good luck taking Rindyar. it's a 2:1 k/d place easily. If it wasn't for the third siege, we did 2:1 except the third siege that they managed to pummel the wall down somewhat.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Keshian on May 27, 2014, 03:08:09 am
Dhirim can be taken easily enough if you gear your army SPECIFICALLY with short weapons with high damage.


That only works against AI or a player who sin't smart enough to do the same on defender's side and is usually short on mercs.  If defenders' have short weapons, especially crush-through and equal number of mercs - then its worse than both.  Often can't even use all the tickets because doorway is so slow to pass through.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: woody on May 27, 2014, 01:33:18 pm
Too late.

Respect to UIF, they got better at every aspect of this game including battles than everyone else.

Embedded, bitter, personality issues and some people simply not interested in a 2 block war meant this was 1 strat too far.

Alot of the guys not in the UIF never realised that being cunning is often being very stupid.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on May 27, 2014, 05:21:33 pm
Too late.

Respect to UIF, they got better at every aspect of this game including battles than everyone else.

Embedded, bitter, personality issues and some people simply not interested in a 2 block war meant this was 1 strat too far.

Alot of the guys not in the UIF never realised that being cunning is often being very stupid.

I propose that all of the NA clans unite and invade EU with the intent of crushing the UIF and liberating Strategus. We can be like those guys in Lord of the Rings at the end when they go to the bad place and make the big circle. We can do LoTR, but we can do it gayer.

We can do it gayer.

This will be our battle cry.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Knute on May 27, 2014, 06:12:56 pm
I propose that all of the NA clans unite and invade EU with the intent of crushing the UIF and liberating Strategus. We can be like those guys in Lord of the Rings at the end when they go to the bad place and make the big circle. We can do LoTR, but we can do it gayer.

We can do it gayer.

This will be our battle cry.

So exactly like this but with more battles?

Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Rico on June 15, 2014, 09:56:32 pm
Druzhina, Kapikulu, Grey and Nord fighting against themselves :mrgreen:

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Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: GRANDMOM on June 16, 2014, 10:05:06 am
Druzhina, Kapikulu, Grey and Nord fighting against themselves :mrgreen:

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Wait what? Harpag said that if they would fight in different teams they would end up hating each other, the reason they couldnt splitt up the UIF to have good wars he said.....oh my god what will happen now, perhaps Russia will invade Poland or Turkey in real life because of this!!  :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Kalp on June 16, 2014, 11:58:56 am
It was only test-exp battle 25 vs 25, but no fun. In my case it was only click-click swing-swing there and no emotions nor adrenaline. If next exp battles will be like this one I will participate only casual. No drama/enemy = no fun.

If Harpag said this, he has right. But why we couldn't try ? Hetman already lost interest in attacking rest of faction. Strategus in form like this has no right to exist. Propably official organized themed battles or bigger clan battles would be better than this.

Exp is nice, but exp is not everything. I will see what happens next, if nothing interesting for me then it's no point to keep my strategus specialized char  :? :(
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Algarn on June 16, 2014, 12:12:54 pm
I hope now Harpag will hold his promise. Don't make me be wrong once more. Strat can still be saved by creating a huge war with factions around GO and Druzhina.



Also, if you are going to make XP battles, for fuck sake, allow everyone to have some XP, since it's the only thing we gotta have in strat now.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: GRANDMOM on June 16, 2014, 12:25:14 pm
It was only test-exp battle 25 vs 25, but no fun. In my case it was only click-click swing-swing there and no emotions nor adrenaline. If next exp battles will be like this one I will participate only casual. No drama/enemy = no fun.

If Harpag said this, he has right. But why we couldn't try ? Hetman already lost interest in attacking rest of faction. Strategus in form like this has no right to exist. Propably official organized themed battles or bigger clan battles would be better than this.

Exp is nice, but exp is not everything. I will see what happens next, if nothing interesting for me then it's no point to keep my strategus specialized char  :? :(

I rest my case, strategus in this form has no right to exist - well put Kalp.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: _RXN_ on June 16, 2014, 12:28:04 pm
It was only test-exp battle 25 vs 25, but no fun.

Do not speak for all  :P

for fuck sake, allow everyone to have some XP

Rejected, make your own battles  :wink:
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Algarn on June 16, 2014, 12:33:24 pm
oh ok...

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Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: _RXN_ on June 16, 2014, 12:34:36 pm
Why should DRZ give you fun? We're the Evil in your opinion, ask some Good for fun :D
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: DaveUKR on June 16, 2014, 12:39:14 pm
Why should DRZ give you fun? We're the Evil in your opinion, ask some Good for fun :D

If you really think that people hate Druzhina for being evil or whatsoever then you must have missed a long time in this game. Even though people respect your success in Strat, they don't like you for having no balls => consequently killing Strat for everyone including Druzhina itself.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Kalp on June 16, 2014, 12:39:50 pm
Do not speak for all  :P
I always speak for myself. I like to be no mainstream in GO  8-)
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: _RXN_ on June 16, 2014, 12:40:44 pm
Quote from: HESKEYTIME
You no here for us entertainment?

You can do it on your own - entertain yourself, you know what I mean, you're a big boy.

Quote from: DaveUKR
If you really think that people hate Druzhina for being evil or whatsoev...

Thanks for your competent opinion, it is very important for us
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: DaveUKR on June 16, 2014, 12:57:22 pm
Thanks for your competent opinion, it is very important for us

It's always easy to be a barking dog on a winning side. Good thing when the clan makes what you are and not you make the clan be what it is, uh?  :rolleyes: I wish you were as cool on the battlefield as you try to look like on forums.

Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Switchtense on June 16, 2014, 12:59:04 pm
How about UIF takes nearly the whole map, just leaves a couple fiefs out, 3 or so, like in the North East.
Inspired by IKEA's Småland this will be the area for everybody who has not quit to play while UIF runs around in IKEA (Their territory) and buys a whole lot of furniture (Gear) to then furnish their house (Have [fun/exp] battles).
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: _RXN_ on June 16, 2014, 01:02:36 pm
DaveUKR, maybe you didn't understand my English, I'll say it in Ukrainian so you can understand me right - Іди лісом звідси  :wink:
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: GRANDMOM on June 16, 2014, 01:06:07 pm
Why should DRZ give you fun? We're the Evil in your opinion, ask some Good for fun :D

Keep it m8 - EU is really interessting and exciting right now, I bet you are really at the top of the entertainment ladder now - full DRZ ts, great battles, making strategic manouvers with your armies and planning offencive campaigns, scouting enemy territories. I can just imagine the tension in ts prior to a battle.....have fun playing it the way you chose too - dickless  :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: _RXN_ on June 16, 2014, 01:10:30 pm
GRANDMOM, stay tuned and listen to sounds behind the door, at any moment you can hear a knock-knock  :D
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: DaveUKR on June 16, 2014, 01:17:35 pm
DaveUKR, maybe you didn't understand my English, I'll say it in Ukrainian so you can understand me right - Іди лісом звідси  :wink:

Ты, говна кусок, не указывай, кому и куда идти. Ты из числа последних, к кому я бы стал здесь прислушиваться.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: _RXN_ on June 16, 2014, 01:19:37 pm
Ахаха, милашка Дейв, заиграл всеми цветами своей внутренней натуры, как же мало для этого нужно было. :D

З.Ы. люблю кнопочки нажимать.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: DaveUKR on June 16, 2014, 01:22:44 pm
Ахаха, милашка Дейв, заиграл всеми цветами своей внутренней натуры, как же мало для этого нужно было. :D

З.Ы. люблю кнопочки нажимать.

Нет, просто ты чуть ли не единственное чмо в этом коммьюнити, ради кого я бы позволил себе такие выражения.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: _RXN_ on June 16, 2014, 01:25:28 pm
Ахаха, да это-ж целый водопад любезностей, продолжай, пожалуйста, ты такой забавный! :D
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: DaveUKR on June 16, 2014, 01:27:57 pm
Ахаха, да это-ж целый водопад любезностей, продолжай, пожалуйста, ты такой забавный! :D

Это не меняет сути, ты типа такой весёлый, думаешь, что затроллил. А на деле - это моё обычное мнение, которое я тебе не раз повторял. Слишком много на себя берёшь  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: GRANDMOM on June 16, 2014, 01:28:47 pm
GRANDMOM, stay tuned and listen to sounds behind the door, at any moment you can hear a knock-knock  :D

No I wont stay tuned, you see I dont care if you attack new shulus - battle description will say " no battle" and we wont hire mercs for it if you come here....enjoy your chosen path oh mighty dickless warrior  :mrgreen:

http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesupcoming#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=1542

See a pattern here genious?

Have fun playing strat the way you have chosen, and please dont let us ruin your fun, remember, you are not here to entertain us
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: _RXN_ on June 16, 2014, 01:39:20 pm
Это не меняет сути, ты типа такой весёлый, думаешь, что затроллил. А на деле - это моё обычное мнение, которое я тебе не раз повторял. Слишком много на себя берёшь  :rolleyes:

Дейвушка, ты как пластилин, из тебя все, что угодно можно слепить, хоть форумную звезду, хоть неадеквата, главное, правильную форму выбрать. Спасибо, что в очередной раз позволил мне это сделать, позабавил ты меня сегодня. :D
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: DaveUKR on June 16, 2014, 01:42:33 pm
Дейвушка, ты как пластелин, из тебя все, что угодно можно слепить, хоть форумную звезду, хоть неадеквата, главное, правильную форму выбрать. Спасибо, что в очередной раз позволил мне это сделать, позабавил ты меня сегодня. :D

Опять-таки, слишком много на себя берёшь. Опустись немножко, слишком многое о себе возомнил. Ты на своё бревно взгляни сначала до того, как соринку в моём глазу искать. Тебе бы треуголку да в палату с другими Наполеонами.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: _RXN_ on June 16, 2014, 01:46:05 pm
Ну, думаю, глупо отрицать, что я из тебя звезду сделал, могу и тему найти, но мне не хочется, и так много времени на тебя потратил сегодня, неблагодарный ты... :(
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Switchtense on June 16, 2014, 01:48:13 pm
Пофыш  йпдщф омпйзпз енгуг ып ф ышпо  шщпше ейц авыр зпр оф щфе я. Водка.

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Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: DaveUKR on June 16, 2014, 01:49:19 pm
Ну, думаю, глупо отрицать, что я из тебя звезду сделал, могу и тему найти, но мне не хочется, и так много времени на тебя потратил сегодня, неблагодарный ты... :(

Шизофреник, из себя бы хоть что-то сделал.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: _RXN_ on June 16, 2014, 01:59:20 pm
Орешки полезны для памяти, советую кушать почаще :D

http://forum.melee.org/closed-requests/ban-daveukr-3190/msg56636/#msg56636

Это событие тогда cRPG взорвало, жаль, ща много картинок недоступно уже :(

http://forum.melee.org/spam/if-you-see-daveukr-post-it!/

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Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: DaveUKR on June 16, 2014, 02:12:34 pm
Орешки полезны для памяти, советую кушать почаще :D

http://forum.melee.org/closed-requests/ban-daveukr-3190/msg56636/#msg56636

Это событие тогда cRPG взорвало, жаль, ща много картинок недоступно уже :(

http://forum.melee.org/spam/if-you-see-daveukr-post-it!/

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Молодец, возьми себе печенье. Если загруженный скриншот в тему с просьбой моего бана, чтобы настучать - великое достижение для тебя, то ты действительно жалок.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: _RXN_ on June 16, 2014, 02:18:23 pm
Глупыш,  речь не о скриншоте, а о том, что я тебя супер-звездой сделал, ну да ладно, хватит с тебя пока, я получил все, что хотел. :D


Sorry, guys, for our exchange of pleasantries, I have not talked to Dave for a long time, missed hm.  :wink:
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: DaveUKR on June 16, 2014, 02:21:01 pm
Глупыш,  речь не о скриншоте, а о том, что я тебя супер-звездой сделал, ну да ладно, хватит с тебя пока, я получил все, что хотел. :D

Дебилизм крепчает... лечи свою шизофрению :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Macropus on June 16, 2014, 02:25:47 pm
Пофыш  йпдщф омпйзпз енгуг ып ф ышпо  шщпше ейц авыр зпр оф щфе я. Водка.
U w0t m8
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: _RXN_ on June 16, 2014, 02:34:22 pm
Macropus, u renown kurwa!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Nebun on June 16, 2014, 04:23:23 pm
EXP battles mostly just for EXP grind, clans split up between 2 sides so there is no Kapukulu vs DRZ vs GO in this battles
Those who don't need exp don't like such battles, unless they can get Alt on strat.
We are also thinking of themed story driven battles, they might not provide much of exp but at list will be fun.

Why the only people on this forum who is talking with us about "the balls" are those who doesn't have any.
And then asking on forum "you not having any fun, right righ? RIGHT u not having any fun, o boy, cause we not giving it to u, we won't resist.... we not giving u any fuuuuuun!" And then sticking ur opinion in every topic on the forum with QQ.
Now thats a good tactic on ur part :) As for DRZ we couldn't give a shit about what u think and u can rage quit or cry as much as u want. Rage quitting must be a tradition on ur side by now. I think it was invented by Kinngrimm but not sure.

In strat ONE, at the start when we had 12-15 members and got ourselves ALONE into was against 3 factions, we didn't cry about this on forum and also refused all peace offers. We even lost our only village. But we didn't stop until killed everyone. Huge alliance destroyed small clan, then 3-4 small clans destroyed huge alliance.
Good old times when nobody cried and kept playing the game, re-emerging from dust, finding new allies and so on. BEST STRAT EVER.

Now wars start and end on forum. "You got more troops and gold, nah we probably just going to quit, because we have no winning chance qq". Well best tactic ever not to lose.

Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: DaveUKR on June 16, 2014, 04:38:22 pm
In strat ONE, at the start when we had 12-15 members and got ourselves ALONE into was against 3 factions, we didn't cry about this on forum and also refused all peace offers. We even lost our only village. But we didn't stop until killed everyone. Huge alliance destroyed small clan, then 3-4 small clans destroyed huge alliance.
Good old times when nobody cried and kept playing the game, re-emerging from dust, finding new allies and so on. BEST STRAT EVER.

Now wars start and end on forum. "You got more troops and gold, nah we probably just going to quit, because we have no winning chance qq". Well best tactic ever not to lose.

Glorious Druzhina! I almost cried, but then I came back to reality and recalled that I'm reading Nebun's post. Amusing how you turn down things that don't make Druzhina look so epic. During Strat 1 Druzhina had neither good players nor good commanders. If you ask me about Druzhina during Strat1 the very first significant word that comes to my mind is: exploit (map borders and insane multiaccounting). Also about crying on forums: Urist's "below the radar" theory worked well then.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Nebun on June 16, 2014, 04:41:17 pm
Glorious Druzhina! I almost cried, but then I came back to reality and recalled that I'm reading Nebun's post. Amusing how you turn down things that don't make Druzhina look so epic. During Strat 1 Druzhina had neither good players nor good commanders. If you ask me about Druzhina during Strat1 the very first significant word that comes to my mind is: exploit (map borders and insane multiaccounting).

All our so called exploits are now called tactics.
Its paradox that with shitty players and shitty leaders we seam to be doing fine :)
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: DaveUKR on June 16, 2014, 04:48:36 pm
All our so called exploits are now called tactics.
Its paradox that with shitty players and shitty leaders we seam to be doing fine :)

I was speaking about Strat1. Well, Vovka organized a lot in your clan, he did a good job in this, only insane could refuse it. But anyway you were never famous for your players, you're still not above average in the quality of your players. Also none of your exploits is called tactics, crawling at map borders in the ocean got fixed and multiaccounting got a lot of people banned. Druzhina was a pioneer in multiaccounting and Greys could only be a humble student back to days.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Nebun on June 16, 2014, 04:56:04 pm
There was one man banned for multi in our clan :)))) only one :) if Gigner would get banned in Mercs for multi then it would be one in Mercs too :)
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Yarl on June 16, 2014, 04:57:10 pm
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: DaveUKR on June 16, 2014, 05:01:10 pm
There was one man banned for multi in our clan :)))) only one :) if Gigner would get banned in Mercs for multi then it would be one in Mercs too :)

The fact that he was the only one multiaccounting (at some point he started doing this, but I wasn't active back to then) while in your clan it was a huge part (including you and Vovka). And as chadz said once: the fact that you weren't banned doesn't mean that you didn't cheat.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: GRANDMOM on June 16, 2014, 05:25:49 pm
We are also thinking of themed story driven battles, they might not provide much of exp but at list will be fun.

Great thinking Nebun - that will work super untill strat ends in december!

Why the only people on this forum who is talking with us about "the balls" are those who doesn't have any.

Kalmarunion decided no to freeride UIF and withdrew our support (not that you needed it) so there could be wars, you didnt - its that simple.....and because you didnt I declare your balls to be inexistant

In strat ONE, at the start when we had 12-15 members and got ourselves ALONE into was against 3 factions, we didn't cry about this on forum and also refused all peace offers. We even lost our only village. But we didn't stop until killed everyone. Huge alliance destroyed small clan, then 3-4 small clans destroyed huge alliance.
Good old times when nobody cried and kept playing the game, re-emerging from dust, finding new allies and so on. BEST STRAT EVER.

"Blablblabla - we lack balls"

Now wars start and end on forum. "You got more troops and gold, nah we probably just going to quit, because we have no winning chance qq". Well best tactic ever not to lose.

Its not about winning or losing - its about having a good game....this is why Brazil and The vatican state never plays a game of football - it just wouldnt be a good game
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Nebun on June 16, 2014, 05:39:37 pm
blabla same shit over and over :) i'm leaving forum to you again
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: GRANDMOM on June 16, 2014, 06:03:23 pm
blabla same shit over and over :) i'm leaving forum to you again

Thankyou :)
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: ARN_ on June 16, 2014, 06:13:48 pm
In strat ONE, at the start when we had 12-15 members and got ourselves ALONE into was against 3 factions, we didn't cry about this on forum and also refused all peace offers. We even lost our only village. But we didn't stop until killed everyone. Huge alliance destroyed small clan, then 3-4 small clans destroyed huge alliance.
Good old times when nobody cried and kept playing the game, re-emerging from dust, finding new allies and so on. BEST STRAT EVER.
Maybe you should try that then, just saying...
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: jtobiasm on June 16, 2014, 06:17:02 pm
you're still not above average in the quality of your players.

You can say the same for Mercs. Drz probably have more better players than the mercs (Yes they have more members) but don't you only accept good players?

Every one I've spoke to about strat say Drz have/had the best archers.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Templar_Steevee on June 16, 2014, 06:33:15 pm
Every one I've spoke to about strat say Drz have/had the best archers.
best doesn't mean unkillable, if they will take a hit, they will die like rest of players  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Keshian on June 16, 2014, 06:51:00 pm
blabla same shit over and over :) i'm leaving forum to you again

Not surprising.  Most of what you say proves what kind of person you are and validates the opinions of most of the community about the DRZ.

EXP battles mostly just for EXP grind, clans split up between 2 sides so there is no Kapukulu vs DRZ vs GO in this battles
Those who don't need exp don't like such battles, unless they can get Alt on strat.
We are also thinking of themed story driven battles, they might not provide much of exp but at list will be fun.

Why the only people on this forum who is talking with us about "the balls" are those who doesn't have any.
And then asking on forum "you not having any fun, right righ? RIGHT u not having any fun, o boy, cause we not giving it to u, we won't resist.... we not giving u any fuuuuuun!" And then sticking ur opinion in every topic on the forum with QQ.
Now thats a good tactic on ur part :) As for DRZ we couldn't give a shit about what u think and u can rage quit or cry as much as u want. Rage quitting must be a tradition on ur side by now. I think it was invented by Kinngrimm but not sure.

In strat ONE, at the start when we had 12-15 members and got ourselves ALONE into was against 3 factions, we didn't cry about this on forum and also refused all peace offers. We even lost our only village. But we didn't stop until killed everyone. Huge alliance destroyed small clan, then 3-4 small clans destroyed huge alliance.
Good old times when nobody cried and kept playing the game, re-emerging from dust, finding new allies and so on. BEST STRAT EVER.

Now wars start and end on forum. "You got more troops and gold, nah we probably just going to quit, because we have no winning chance qq". Well best tactic ever not to lose.

One caveat on strat 1 - you had 12-15 players back when they didn't regulate a lot of things with this new mod - so instead of looking for allies and playing the game properly like most people do or accepting defeat you decided to cheat and abuse game mechanics - to lista  few:

1) mass multiaccounting so you grew from 12-15 to 80+ players overnight

2) using many of those multiaccounts under non-drz banner to form chains where 1-2 people in your faction could pass troops and gear and gold halfway across the map using everyone's account in a matter of a couple hours (membership in drz required you to provide your access code to your character page)

3) Almost every siege you would abuse the invisible walls to get half your players behind them even though devs said this was not allowed

4) your favorite excuse int he words of nebun "we are finding all the ways the mod can be abused/exploited/cheated (paraphrase) in order for devs to make a better mod", except you would never report it, just abuse it as much as possible until devs eventually got around to fixing it the next strat


Strat 2 your big thing once you were losing was to plead for help from grey order to bail you out and then abuse nighttime settings with obvious cheat (how it worked then was they would have 8 hour nighttime setting and you could change it anytime you wanted, they would keep changing it so it would be continual 8 hour extra window to reinforce and push every battle 8 hours later (nebun and vovka were the most common ones doing this as fief owners))


Quite literally, like most games - the russians come in - cheat as much as possible, bring hundreds of drones who hardly think for themselves just follow orders and kill off the community of games/mods by sheer numbers of exploiters/cheaters and just general plagues on the community.  This is not the first game or mod this has happened with and certainly won't be the last.

This strat you basically attacked the newest players on map who hardly understood the mechanics to even buy gear (lots of unarmed castles, 8K troops one just taken today) and allied with almost all the remaining older players left to basically kill off not only the strat community (most battles your enemies can't even fill a roster to have a fun, challenging battle), but also the crpg community where battle server is far emptier and new players got turned off and started playing other games.  It takes no balls to attack new players and unarmed fiefs while allying with the 2 biggest other factions on the map, but drones rarely have genitalia of any kind anyway.  You guys kill games and are like this ugly cyst on any community you join.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Dark_Blade on June 16, 2014, 07:09:16 pm
1) if something isnt forbidden - its allowed. yes, abusing of some illogical things isnt fair to the enemy from one point but from another point - maybe its the way how can you play the game in smart way? ofcourse it may be a question of respect to those abusers... well on this strat i dont remember uif abusing anything but for some reason other factions sucked and even now they can find 9000 excuses for themself and proofs why uif is playing unfairly.
2) most of faction leaders are quite old players so there is not many really new clans and players especially. just the ones who learned how to play and the ones who didnt.
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i just remember hows it was to fight UIF. not enough organisation and very strange tactics. we were attacking in ANY case. we are attacking - we are attacking, we are defending - we are attacking. wtf. and every battle was finished with spawnrape. just wtf? we had worse players and worse equip. what kind of advantage we was trying to use? it wasnt the main reason why did i left SB but getting tired of this shit took some part in my choise.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: DaveUKR on June 16, 2014, 07:29:27 pm
You can say the same for Mercs. Drz probably have more better players than the mercs (Yes they have more members) but don't you only accept good players?

Every one I've spoke to about strat say Drz have/had the best archers.

Everyone? Like who? DRZ had a lot of archers (just a huge amount), but only Nebun and Vovka were among those "best archers". Nebun was good at positioning mostly, taking a good position and shooting the whole battle. That with good aiming made him a good archer for that time. I would pick scor, birdman, chimp or others in 10/10 situations or even Merc archers: Replica or Jambi. When Nebun or Vovka lost their fire positions it was gg, they couldn't even block a single melee hit, that also explains why they couldn't show the same score on battle servers. Druzhina was actually taking everyone who could speak Russian inside of a clan (unlike Mercs, you remember how you didn't manage to get in Mercs like twice? I guess you hate Mercs since then), we even had a spy in their faction for some certain time. Druzhina was not even close to Grey Order in the amount of really talented players, to say nothing about Mercs in the best time. And no, I'm not bragging, I just feel offended by you comparing DRZ and Mercs.

1) if something isnt forbidden - its allowed. yes, abusing of some illogical things isnt fair to the enemy from one point but from another point - maybe its the way how can you play the game in smart way? ofcourse it may be a question of respect to those abusers... well on this strat i dont remember uif abusing anything but for some reason other factions sucked and even now they can find 9000 excuses for themself and proofs why uif is playing unfairly.
2) most of faction leaders are quite old players so there is not many really new clans and players especially. just the ones who learned how to play and the ones who didnt.
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i just remember hows it was to fight UIF. not enough organisation and very strange tactics. we were attacking in ANY case. we are attacking - we are attacking, we are defending - we are attacking. wtf. and every battle was finished with spawnrape. just wtf? we had worse players and worse equip. what kind of advantage we was trying to use? it wasnt the main reason why did i left SB but getting tired of this shit took some part in my choise.

1) I guess that there was always a rule about undesired benefits and common sense. Ofc, you can read it as you like. Also multiaccounting was forbidden individually and DRZ still used a LOT after it got forbidden.
2) When you fought against UIF - you were in SB, probably the worst fights I ever had in Strat. SB strat fights were actually the only fights where I was raging, horrible memories. You can't expect anything when commander can't even speak English with half of the roster being English speakers.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Nyu on June 16, 2014, 07:35:42 pm
...you're still not above average in the quality of your players...

...Druzhina was not even close to Grey Order in the amount of really talented players, to say nothing about Mercs in the best time...
You can say the same for Mercs. Drz probably have more better players than the mercs (Yes they have more members) but don't you only accept good players?

Every one I've spoke to about strat say Drz have/had the best archers.

I have to admit, over the last few strats Druzhina players improved a lot and got better than most players in other factions. I actually enjoyed the first few battles in the desert this strat round, because both sides had good players and nearly the same equip.
It's just that with 90% of non-UIF people not wanting to fight UIF and having a big gear disadvantage it's not really fun anymore.
Some people even brag about getting free wins, because they win battles like this one http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=1507, because their enemy had nearly no players fighting.
Strat history repeats over and over and over again, while the people that didn't want to get involved in fighting UIF, that wanted to do something new in strat, just get steamrolled too.
Just look at NA strat, even though there is happening a lot less than in EU, people try to do small wars. They roleplay some more or less reasonable motives to fight others (some of them are typical american talk that can be skipped, because dem weirdos, durr :mrgreen:)
The last few months, 90% of quality diplomacy threads with good roleplay was made by NA people.

What happens to the people that want to do something else than fighting UIF for once in strat and migrate to NA?
People make fun of them, because they wanted to play at least a bit of strat without being forced to repeat history again.
People tried to fight back, people lost, and now most player's dicks (not only UIF, I am talking about people fighting them as well) suddenly turned hard and they feel the need to talk bad about everyone that tries to have a bit of fun in strat, even if they have to endure bad ping in NA.

Good job, both sides are killing the mod slowly by turning into dickheads and stopping the game from being fun for others.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Dark_Blade on June 16, 2014, 07:42:47 pm
2) When you fought against UIF - you were in SB, probably the worst fights I ever had in Strat. SB strat fights were actually the only fights where I was raging, horrible memories. You can't expect anything when commander can't even speak English with half of the roster being English speakers.
i meant far not sb commanders.
it was so on every coalition battles and on some apostates battle.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: jtobiasm on June 16, 2014, 09:03:10 pm
You don't need to be great at blocking as an archer if you have good positioning. The reason you get into good positions in the first place is so you can shoot and don't have to enter melee.
 
And me not getting in mercs, you know the real story hahah. Here is a little taster before you start telling lies Dave.
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p.s the archers you just named, i've never heard of  any apart from Nebun.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Keshian on June 16, 2014, 09:26:03 pm
You don't need to be great at blocking as an archer if you have good positioning. The reason you get into good positions in the first place is so you can shoot and don't have to enter melee.
 
And me not getting in mercs, you know the real story hahah. Here is a little taster before you start telling lies Dave.
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p.s the archers you just named, i've never heard of  any apart from Nebun.

Chimp stop playing after the devs made crpg crappier after strat 1, but he would have 1v 12 at end of abttle round and win - fucking legendary.  Birdman also left after strat 1.  There are a lot of good archers and nebun is up there, I had protracted archer duels between him and 3 of his buddies, used to be fun.  Archer_KMC and that other guy (i always forget his name but he was primarily xbower, but good archer too).  Naduril fgood cav.  Every clan has good and bad players - its not the problem.

The problem is the community shrunk a lot after how uif played last strat and most of the shrinkage was losing non-uif players.  What few new people joined this strat they ran off the mod while allying with 2/3rds of the active strategus playerbase.  The devs are not to blame.  UIF is fully to blame for wrecking this strat. 

You dont need a 300 player alliance when less than 400 people are even active on strategus.  But I know the intelligence level is low so I don't expect the leaders to grasp this or inform their drones.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on June 16, 2014, 09:41:06 pm
You dont need a 300 player alliance when less than 400 people are even active on strategus.  But I know the intelligence level is low so I don't expect the leaders to grasp this or inform their drones.

From where I'm perched, they get it. The leaders at least, and more than likely most of the rank and file as well.

They just don't give a fuck.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: DaveUKR on June 16, 2014, 09:44:00 pm
You don't need to be great at blocking as an archer if you have good positioning. The reason you get into good positions in the first place is so you can shoot and don't have to enter melee.
 
And me not getting in mercs, you know the real story hahah. Here is a little taster before you start telling lies Dave.
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p.s the archers you just named, i've never heard of  any apart from Nebun.

Ok, good tasters. We don't make things public but according to votes you wouldn't get in to Mercs at the moment you decided to retract your app. Anyway, you've never heard about them but Nebun wasn't good enough to be in their league back to then. And about positions: it's not only you who decide whether the position is good or not.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: jtobiasm on June 16, 2014, 09:51:41 pm
it's not only you who decide whether the position is good or not.
wut
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: GRANDMOM on June 16, 2014, 09:56:23 pm
From where I'm perched, they get it. The leaders at least, and more than likely most of the rank and file as well.

They just don't give a fuck.

Oh they miss the strategy part of strat - the leaders that is

Oh and they miss the XP part of strat battles - the grunt players that is

But who could have known it would turn out like this? I can think of a dozen people at least

So here we are, EU strat is dead, so many fine wars not fought, so much XP not gained and so little fun to have

But they pulled through and stuck together to the bitter end they did - god bless the UIF!!
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: GRANDMOM on June 16, 2014, 09:57:35 pm
wut

If your enemy decided to make your position a bad one its not really just up to you is it
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Thorondor on June 16, 2014, 10:33:19 pm
this "uif wins cuz they cheat. actually they're shitty players" bullshit is the lamest excuses anti-uif ever made. We used this excuse when we were in anti-uif as well. mercs, fallens, templar may have talented individuals but they can't stand against uif in the field. even with the equal terms uif always won. now nordmen has gone and we replace them. an obvious quality decrease but still uif roster can beat any enemies. simple as that
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: ARN_ on June 16, 2014, 10:45:36 pm
this "uif wins cuz they cheat. actually they're shitty players" bullshit is the lamest excuses anti-uif ever made. We used this excuse when we were in anti-uif as well. mercs, fallens, templar may have talented individuals but they can't stand against uif in the field. even with the equal terms uif always won. now nordmen has gone and we replace them. an obvious quality decrease but still uif roster can beat any enemies. simple as that
From my experience the non-existing "anti-uif" got the better individuals and 1vs1 fighters but the uif got better group fighters, and in a game of team play group fighting always wins simple as that.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Mr.K. on June 16, 2014, 11:37:00 pm
this "uif wins cuz they cheat. actually they're shitty players" bullshit is the lamest excuses anti-uif ever made.

Has someone made that excuse? There are plenty of talented UIF players whom we all respect, but I don't see how anyone can say clans like Nords, Byzantiums and Mercs don't have the best players in the game by average. The average skill level especially within the Druzhina has risen though considerably in the last few months. I do admit, I'm a little partial - not against the UIF - but I'm mostly an EU1 and melee player. I have a hard time respecting cavalry, ranged, 1H+shield and so on, but I know that's just me. Imo this game should be mostly about blocking skill and that's where the "anti-UIF" shines mostly and to me that's the true skill. I've never been anywhere near the level of the best guys in this game, heck I'm nowhere near the best guys in our clan. There are plenty of players I admire in this game, but very few of those are on the UIF side. Partly because they don't speak english and I don't know them, partly because they are far inferior to the "non-UIF" players in 2H/pole skills.

I have no clue how UIF or anti-UIF have played in the previous strat campaigns. I've only played for Kalmar the end of last Strat where we had the UIF rosters, although fighting an UIF ally and now this Strat which was pretty much doomed from the beginning. For me this Strat has looked like Druzhina had no interest in anything but XP battles. Greys on the other hand did. I've spoken to Hetman and I've read on the forums what Harpag thinks and I really don't think this is what these guys wanted. Druzhinas had their eye on the closest enemy from day one. First they took on the Coorporation who were far outnumbered, then they went for the Council of Calradia (Quincy) who were even smaller and after that it was us after we fought our war against the Shogunate and had maybe one full army left. None of those "wars" required any real effort or planning on their side. I'm not saying that's the wrong tactic, clearly they are winning, but it doesn't require much effort and thus doesn't give much in return either.

And back to you Kapikulus. We - or at least me - actually quite like you. You have good players, you have at least some players in your clan that can take a joke and you are a well respected ally according to Grandmom and that's something. But what you have done this Strat just makes me wonder if you made the right choice in the beginning joining the UIF side. You have had no enemies this Strat, no battles and no fun. Isn't that what Strategus is supposed to be about - fun?
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Algarn on June 16, 2014, 11:49:27 pm
I have to say it . I must... Anti UIF are wankers. Why ? Look at mercs, look at byz, look at Eques, look at every fucking clan not part of UIF, they all got at least one or two very skilled players, but these players never came. Imagine a roster with the best players of this mod against druzhina. Players like chase, teeth, strudog, Steevee, Austriano, Hebai, Witch Bobby, etc... are fucking masterrace players, and there are dozens of people I didn't give name of, but I can tell you, this team would wreck ANY roster, as long as we get enough stuff to equip them. But, things are what they are : no one cares about strat. I'm just looking for XP, and maybe some fun myself, nothing more. I'm like everyone else I'd say, liking fair fights, with different opponents every time, etc ... But the fact there are two huge clans that took over strat because they were active and disciplined, is simply our fault. Retarded battles, diplomatic talks, attacks on friendly caravans, huge afking ... Even if I'm stubborn, druzhina, and grey order won it because they were smarter than us, and maybe also having a bit more active players. I 'm gonna stop giving tears from now, because firstly it's useless, and also, it was all up to us to change that shit and wreck almost everyone on the opposite side. We've been looking for it, we got it, and I also admit the fact I'm a pure egoist wanker, prefering to play alone than helping my own strat faction when we were fucked up.

Now, I just hope, as I said earlier, that Harpag will do what he says.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Thorondor on June 16, 2014, 11:57:52 pm
Has someone made that excuse?

And back to you Kapikulus. We - or at least me - actually quite like you. You have good players, you have at least some players in your clan that can take a joke and you are a well respected ally according to Grandmom and that's something. But what you have done this Strat just makes me wonder if you made the right choice in the beginning joining the UIF side. You have had no enemies this Strat, no battles and no fun. Isn't that what Strategus is supposed to be about - fun?
yes someone has made that excuse. dave did. when i said anti-uif i didn't mean kalmars. i was referring to previous rounds.

an about us...yes, strategus is about fun. and believe it or not. it has been fun so far. people expected us to turn against uif. why would we do that ? to have fun ? no. its not about winning or loosing. it's my first round as the leader ( ozan took some time off ) and do you know how Nebun has been helping me ? These guys are loyal to each other .thats what anti-uif has always lacked.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Keshian on June 17, 2014, 12:54:05 am
yes someone has made that excuse. dave did. when i said anti-uif i didn't mean kalmars. i was referring to previous rounds.

an about us...yes, strategus is about fun. and believe it or not. it has been fun so far. people expected us to turn against uif. why would we do that ? to have fun ? no. its not about winning or loosing. it's my first round as the leader ( ozan took some time off ) and do you know how Nebun has been helping me ? These guys are loyal to each other .thats what anti-uif has always lacked.


People in an alliance are loyal to each other - go figure.  But there was never an anti-uif this strat, just a bunch of mostly new players scattered across the map.  There was no "loyalty" to each other because there was no alliance and no one wanted to waste time on a game making a massive block simply because uif did it again.  Last strat became boring as hell on eu side with a long-term cold war until people against UIF actually quit from boredom and killed off all their troops intentionally (70K+ troops without a single Coalition fief taken by UIF) instead of wasting any more time looking at a strat map on what became a boring mod on eu side -> western europe didn't have the drones that would never grow bored of sitting and doing trade runs with no battles for months on end.

So this strat round - no anti-uif.  What people are saying is not to "turn" on your mega block alliance, but just go independent and be your own person/clan.  The fewer people in one massive block - the more strategy/battles/xp/fun to be had.  We did it volunteerily in NA side after last strat (our alliance was a whole lot smaller but we still dissolved it).  Most alliances slowly form and become bigger over course of strat as wars develop, its pretty lame to have massive alliance before the round even begins.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Mr.K. on June 17, 2014, 01:10:26 am
an about us...yes, strategus is about fun. and believe it or not. it has been fun so far. people expected us to turn against uif. why would we do that ? to have fun ? no. its not about winning or loosing. it's my first round as the leader ( ozan took some time off ) and do you know how Nebun has been helping me ? These guys are loyal to each other .thats what anti-uif has always lacked.

Being loyal makes boring diplomacy - that's the only reason we went against the UIF this Strategus. I don't see your point of view here. I'm sure Nebun has helped you a lot, but was it necessary? You couldn't learn this stuff alone? I did. After all Strategus isn't that hard of a game for anyone interested in the mechanics. The biggest part is the diplomacy ofc, something you guys have done nothing about. When you join UIF, there's no real diplomacy needed. Those guys are rock solid and control most of the map. I'm genuinely interested what so far has been fun for your clan this Strat? You've had close to no battles against any coordinated enemies, you've made multiple mistakes with your fiefs having crime killing off your troops, failing to do effective trading and so on. For me it has seemed that you have been by far the least coordinated UIF faction (not counting Nords here, lol). That doesn't mean you've been bad this Strat, many other clans have made the same mistakes, but they have been punished for them by the Druzhina and the Greys (the brief moment Hetman/Harpag actually gave a shit they did well).

As I said I don't know how things were last Strat or the ones before it. All I know is this one and for me it has been a struggle to understand the end goal of some big players on the map.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: GRANDMOM on June 17, 2014, 01:23:00 am
To me it seems that most clans have the goal to "not to be defeated" - Like - "come on guys, lets not get defeated or wiped this round"  :rolleyes:

1. How many wars has strat 5 seen? (real wars please with uncertain outcome)
2. How many attacking clans? (I dont mean attacking one trader and running of into the woods - I mean a campaign to actually gain ground or fiefs)

Think it over



Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Dark_Blade on June 17, 2014, 02:54:35 am
about loyality:
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Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: DaveUKR on June 17, 2014, 08:52:00 am
I have to say it . I must... Anti UIF are wankers. Why ? Look at mercs, look at byz, look at Eques, look at every fucking clan not part of UIF, they all got at least one or two very skilled players, but these players never came. Imagine a roster with the best players of this mod against druzhina. Players like chase, teeth, strudog, Steevee, Austriano, Hebai, Witch Bobby, etc... are fucking masterrace players, and there are dozens of people I didn't give name of, but I can tell you, this team would wreck ANY roster, as long as we get enough stuff to equip them. But, things are what they are : no one cares about strat. I'm just looking for XP, and maybe some fun myself, nothing more. I'm like everyone else I'd say, liking fair fights, with different opponents every time, etc ... But the fact there are two huge clans that took over strat because they were active and disciplined, is simply our fault. Retarded battles, diplomatic talks, attacks on friendly caravans, huge afking ... Even if I'm stubborn, druzhina, and grey order won it because they were smarter than us, and maybe also having a bit more active players. I 'm gonna stop giving tears from now, because firstly it's useless, and also, it was all up to us to change that shit and wreck almost everyone on the opposite side. We've been looking for it, we got it, and I also admit the fact I'm a pure egoist wanker, prefering to play alone than helping my own strat faction when we were fucked up.

Now, I just hope, as I said earlier, that Harpag will do what he says.

This what we (Mercs) wanted to do: make a new force of Mercs, Byz and Nords. But Byz refused to play strat and Nords were like "okay, we're interested" and in the end they joined UIF because of reasons. People just got fed by this shit and refused to put an effort in strat so it's not their fault that they're not motivated to play the same shit over and over again. You probably didn't play Strat1/2/3 actively so you have nothing to compare with. Strat 2 was probably the most interesting as it was less buggy than the first one and people had at least some skills in Strat and were also motivated. Strat 3 was the same shit as 4 but just with a little bit more of active players.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Templar_Steevee on June 17, 2014, 09:33:33 am
...templar ...

Templars actually did almost nothing this strat. Why? Because only like 5 of us were doing anything on map.

... but they can't stand against uif in the field. even with the equal terms uif always won.
sorry but not :)
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=244
I remember that battle, equal teams with equal eqiupment (i killed a lot there because i killed one of drz archers and stole his horn bow, rest were quite easy for me).
 I also have to admire that DRZ and few archers from Grey and kapikulu are really good, at least half of them are equal skilled as I am or better, but thanks of them I became a good archer (special thanks to Nebun and Bagge, and for sniper x-bow Segd :D)
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Thorondor on June 17, 2014, 10:26:28 am
Being loyal makes boring diplomacy - that's the only reason we went against the UIF this Strategus. I don't see your point of view here. I'm sure Nebun has helped you a lot, but was it necessary? You couldn't learn this stuff alone? I did. After all Strategus isn't that hard of a game for anyone interested in the mechanics. The biggest part is the diplomacy ofc, something you guys have done nothing about. When you join UIF, there's no real diplomacy needed. Those guys are rock solid and control most of the map. I'm genuinely interested what so far has been fun for your clan this Strat? You've had close to no battles against any coordinated enemies, you've made multiple mistakes with your fiefs having crime killing off your troops, failing to do effective trading and so on. For me it has seemed that you have been by far the least coordinated UIF faction (not counting Nords here, lol). That doesn't mean you've been bad this Strat, many other clans have made the same mistakes, but they have been punished for them by the Druzhina and the Greys (the brief moment Hetman/Harpag actually gave a shit they did well).

As I said I don't know how things were last Strat or the ones before it. All I know is this one and for me it has been a struggle to understand the end goal of some big players on the map.
its not our fault that we had no enemies. we wiped seljuks so i got that :D. about the fail trade ; i respectfully disagree. and its not my fault that some geniuses still dont know to not ente a village with high crime rate.
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I wasnt vulnerable to nebuns help. What I'm trying to say is his friendship. you don't know about the past so let me tell you. Disloyalty, disrespection, retardness of the anti-uif ( NOT YOU, FUCKIN PAST ) is the main reason where we are now.

Templars actually did almost nothing this strat. Why? Because only like 5 of us were doing anything on map.
sorry but not :)
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=244
I remember that battle, equal teams with equal eqiupment (i killed a lot there because i killed one of drz archers and stole his horn bow, rest were quite easy for me).
 I also have to admire that DRZ and few archers from Grey and kapikulu are really good, at least half of them are equal skilled as I am or better, but thanks of them I became a good archer (special thanks to Nebun and Bagge, and for sniper x-bow Segd :D)
one battle means nothing


I was once in anti-uif. I fought beside great players like muffin, tyr, zeroboti dieler etc. guess what? we constantly lost.


@Heskey   I never insult your efforts, or you. Before this round started I spend most of my time in kalmar ts. I still see them as my friends. All my bitching is past round but kalmars keep trying to explain stuff to me i dont know why :D
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Dark_Blade on June 17, 2014, 10:42:43 am
Templars actually did almost nothing this strat. Why? Because only like 5 of us were doing anything on map.
sorry but not :)
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=244
I remember that battle, equal teams with equal eqiupment (i killed a lot there because i killed one of drz archers and stole his horn bow, rest were quite easy for me).
 I also have to admire that DRZ and few archers from Grey and kapikulu are really good, at least half of them are equal skilled as I am or better, but thanks of them I became a good archer (special thanks to Nebun and Bagge, and for sniper x-bow Segd :D)

01.03.14 o_O was it when GO had the worst equipment from any strat faction because those greedy polaks wasnt buying any fine equipment for their armies. at the start of this strat every our battle were the pain in the ass because even neutral villages had like twice better equip... well their armor still was low and weapons still was lootable xD
even if i am wrong(for some reason i am sure that i am not) you should keep doing like you did there. sadly even on previos strat you failed at it even with equal equip(i mean field battles, not sieges).
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Templar_Steevee on June 17, 2014, 11:47:35 am
01.03.14 o_O was it when GO had the worst equipment from any strat faction because those greedy polaks wasnt buying any fine equipment for their armies. at the start of this strat every our battle were the pain in the ass because even neutral villages had like twice better equip... well their armor still was low and weapons still was lootable xD
even if i am wrong(for some reason i am sure that i am not) you should keep doing like you did there. sadly even on previos strat you failed at it even with equal equip(i mean field battles, not sieges).
On that battle we had similar equipment, and your ranged had better bows (that's why i stole one from you  :twisted:)

That was actually only one open field battle I participated (school, trainings ect.)

I also have no idea why everyone is reminding old strat round QQ all the time, instead of trying to have fun&xp during this one. I'm sure that fraction have resources to make at least strat battles for fun without measuring them with e-peen.

I like that DRZ at least are trying to have something from this strat.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Thorondor on June 17, 2014, 11:52:37 am


I also have no idea why everyone is reminding old strat round QQ all the time, instead of trying to have fun&xp during this one. I'm sure that fraction have resources to make at least strat battles for fun without measuring them with e-peen.

I like that DRZ at least are trying to have something from this strat.
cuz drama is all strat is about and some people dont like exp battles. ( i don't ) . still we'll do exp battles and kapikulu friends are always welcome
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Mr.K. on June 17, 2014, 12:18:22 pm
its not our fault that we had no enemies. we wiped seljuks so i got that :D.

Not having enemies was your decision. You guys even attacked one of our traders in the beginning, but gave the goods back because you didn't want war with us. Not saying you were scared, ofcourse not, but because you knew that we were in an impossible position anyway. Seljuks were wiped mostly due to zero roster support if I'm not mistaken. Also their gear was probably inferior because they started doing economy so late in the game.

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about the fail trade ; i respectfully disagree. and its not my fault that some geniuses still dont know to not ente a village with high crime rate.

All I'm saying you have made mistakes as have many other clans this Strategus. You just haven't been punished for them because you had no enemies on the map. Also what we find most fun in strategus is planning attacks. We planned many many attacks even though at times it looked like Führer (autocorrect won't allow his name) moving those ghost armies on the map. We lacked the pieces to play the game with. Even this Strat we had a plan for a coordinated attack on Ruluns to steal Hetman's troops. We couldn't make it work of course - but it was fun to plan :lol: I'm sure you guys would find a lot to learn in an actual war campaign - something which no one can sadly do on the EU map any more.

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Disloyalty, disrespection, retardness of the anti-uif ( NOT YOU, FUCKIN PAST ) is the main reason where we are now.

The disrespect you guys get from some clans or should I say some players in some clans is unfortunate. Mostly all the TK talk is just poking fun at you though and you have to take be able to take a joke and most your guys can (I lolled at the 5on5 team name). There's a difference between trash talk and disrespect. You could have been neutral though of course. Try to form a third block on the map, it might have actually worked, who knows.

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I was once in anti-uif. I fought beside great players like muffin, tyr, zeroboti dieler etc. guess what? we constantly lost.
Still I remember Grey Order taking no actual castles or cities from the Coalition or even Mercs. The rosters were strong enough to at least stop the enemy at the walls. Right now the anti-UIF can't even defend the best strategic positions due to lack of roster support.

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All my bitching is past round but kalmars keep trying to explain stuff to me i dont know why :D

Well it's mostly just me, not the Kalmar's in general. However for me the Kapikulu position for this Strat was the most surprising. We knew GO and DRZ wouldn't separate, we knew Nords would do nothing the whole Strat, but we thought there's a good chance we repaired some of the damage some previous anti-UIF factions had done in the past and you'd join our cause. It was a big surprise for me personally when you openly went to the UIF side months before Strategus even started. That basically decided what was going to happen - three biggest factions on one side, supported - as we thought - by the Shogunate.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Thorondor on June 17, 2014, 12:50:38 pm
Not having enemies was your decision. You guys even attacked one of our traders in the beginning, but gave the goods back because you didn't want war with us. Not saying you were scared, ofcourse not, but because you knew that we were in an impossible position anyway. Seljuks were wiped mostly due to zero roster support if I'm not mistaken. Also their gear was probably inferior because they started doing economy so late in the game. that attack happened without my order and we gave the goods back because kalmars was our friends. We didn't think of fighting you in any circumstances.that meant we actully had no enemy.we said so be it.

All I'm saying you have made mistakes as have many other clans this Strategus. You just haven't been punished for them because you had no enemies on the map. Also what we find most fun in strategus is planning attacks. We planned many many attacks even though at times it looked like Führer (autocorrect won't allow his name) moving those ghost armies on the map. We lacked the pieces to play the game with. Even this Strat we had a plan for a coordinated attack on Ruluns to steal Hetman's troops. We couldn't make it work of course - but it was fun to plan :lol: I'm sure you guys would find a lot to learn in an actual war campaign - something which no one can sadly do on the EU map any more.

The disrespect you guys get from some clans or should I say some players in some clans is unfortunate. Mostly all the TK talk is just poking fun at you though and you have to take be able to take a joke and most your guys can (I lolled at the 5on5 team name). There's a difference between trash talk and disrespect. You could have been neutral though of course. Try to form a third block on the map, it might have actually worked, who knows. as you say trashtalk and disrespect are different things. I can take jokes.I'm the one who came up with that name. What mercs, templars and others did was different. not listening orders in battles, banning our guys from ts in the middle of battles, treating us as were the reason why they lost ; those i can't take
Still I remember Grey Order taking no actual castles or cities from the Coalition or even Mercs. The rosters were strong enough to at least stop the enemy at the walls. Right now the anti-UIF can't even defend the best strategic positions due to lack of roster support.a proper anti-uif doesnt get raped i agree but still doesnt mean they're better.in round 3 drz attacked our only castle.Thelrog castle, reaaly easy to take. they attacked us with 6k and after three battle they beat us when we ran out of armor.and guess what ? those kapis were the one of the most dedicated roster crpg ever seen.we had 3-4 mercs hres and some fallen. we wanted give them hell we did our best.but obviously most anti-uif guys (this includes this round too) don't have tihs dedication and passion

Well it's mostly just me, not the Kalmar's in general. However for me the Kapikulu position for this Strat was the most surprising. We knew GO and DRZ wouldn't separate, we knew Nords would do nothing the whole Strat, but we thought there's a good chance we repaired some of the damage some previous anti-UIF factions had done in the past and you'd join our cause. It was a big surprise for me personally when you openly went to the UIF side months before Strategus even started. That basically decided what was going to happen - three biggest factions on one side, supported - as we thought - by the Shogunate.
well i wont repeat my reasons. As i said before, I don't despise you as go and drz does. I respect you and your deeds. It's a shame that you have to be punished for the other guys wrongs. But Kapikulu has neither the power nor the will to bring justice to strategus
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Harpag on June 17, 2014, 12:51:31 pm
Those greedy polaks wasn't buying any fine equipment for their armies, cuz they wanted accumulate a decent sum of money to buy real equipment, instead of doing stupid and wasting precious points on +3 Pitch Fork like morons from anti-UIF

Management of Grey Order, have no time to engage in any serious war at the moment. Professional work and family responsibilities are the main reasons. We achieved our goal. Even if the rest of the community invade us today, tomorrow would be crushed like a worm. Now we have armies almost same as in strat 4. Deal with it.

Do what you want, we will not bother you. You have a unique opportunity to strengthen your position.

If you don't have anything to do and you are bored, undress and guard your clothes :wink:  We dont give a fuck -  RL is most imprtant.

@Dave - when I look at your posts, it reminds me "jebać merców"
@Kesh - fu & stfu
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Osakasa on June 17, 2014, 02:02:54 pm
you don't know about the past so let me tell you. Disloyalty, disrespection, retardness of the anti-uif ( NOT YOU, FUCKIN PAST ) is the main reason where we are now.
As i said before, I don't despise you as go and drz does. I respect you and your deeds. It's a shame that you have to be punished for the other guys wrongs.

I promised myself not to post this thread, failed :D
During strategus 4, we felt bad constant trash talk about Kapikulus and you did great in our war, so we got a direct order from high above to behave nice and defend Kapikulus while trash talk.

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Censored some names, not really matter who they are but the point is we are still sticking to this order. Yep, it was a disappointing to see Kapikulus joined with Grey and DRZ however i understand your reasons. Let's hope chat will be more clean in future.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Osiris on June 17, 2014, 11:57:45 pm
some people still don't realize that we don't want to fight the same people with the same allies for 3 years.. Its boring that's why no one is playing, its not because we hate you or think your dicks its just sheer boredom same reason i don't play much crpg anymore either. I tried something new last strat then GO decided they wouldn't roster for me cuz merc so why bother if its just same old enemies every single time? You really think next strat will be any different? You will still be UIF everyone else will still be bored of spending all Strat fighting UIF.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Gimest on June 18, 2014, 10:03:28 am
Been playing this for allmost 3 years now, allmost every strat same thing, DRZ comes and destroys us at the sight. We lack roster, we have usually GREAT gear, but no men to use them. Even if we would be able to win some of the battles against them, we couldnt get any harm done to them, cuz they have atleast 20x the troops and gear that we have (i think its more like 100x). Weve tried to be part of some fucking alliances, but UIF is the only one that is working in big scale. So why the fuck im still moving on the strat map...

But i gotta thank you Druzhina guys, was fun to look our whole clan on top 20 at the "renown" ladder after you wiped our armies/caravans. Maybe we will do one more battle to keep us in there :p

What i think is the problem of "Anti-UIF", is that you cant get everyone on 10 different clans, to listen up one or two guys, who would make decisions what to loom and shit in the fief's. That was the first thing i noticed at the start of this strat, and it also made it clear in the first 3-4 weeks that its over for "anti-uif". The fucking gear most clans in the north made themselves... + all the ones that wanted to stay "neutral" were only attacking anti-uif cuz "no reason to attack uif cuz we cant win them" so theres kinda like UIF + the ones scared of UIF attacking "anti-uif" = no one left to fight, no one left with interest to do anything to arrenge fights = strat dead, atleast on EU side.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Harpag on June 18, 2014, 11:32:14 am
Pantheon:

Pantheon_Gimest_DeGyrst
Pantheon_Haze_The_Hobo
Pantheon_King_Pave
Pantheon_v0n_t0rttu
Pantheon_Yhanai

Fiefs: 0
Members: 5

half of them probably semi-active

I don't know how you do it, but your armies are really great, equipment is wisely thought out and in good proportions, armies are large, and you don't even have a single burned village...

You have my great respect and in my eyes you're extremely effective stategus players. Excellent skills.

If the rest of you playing as well as Pantheon, UIF would have been crushed after first few weeks.

Anyone who doesn't see that you're a great candidate for leader of a large alliance, is simply blind.

No people in your roster is just depressing.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: GRANDMOM on June 18, 2014, 07:58:30 pm
Pantheon:

Pantheon_Gimest_DeGyrst
Pantheon_Haze_The_Hobo
Pantheon_King_Pave
Pantheon_v0n_t0rttu
Pantheon_Yhanai

Fiefs: 0
Members: 5

half of them probably semi-active

I don't know how you do it, but your armies are really great, equipment is wisely thought out and in good proportions, armies are large, and you don't even have a single burned village...

You have my great respect and in my eyes you're extremely effective stategus players. Excellent skills.

If the rest of you playing as well as Pantheon, UIF would have been crushed after first few weeks.

Anyone who doesn't see that you're a great candidate for leader of a large alliance, is simply blind.

No people in your roster is just depressing.

Has been long since we agreed on anything Harpag - but this is all true

Pantheons has allways done a very good job in finding gold and troops and making the right equip for their armies, and most of all they never back down - basically they have balls and wants to play a good game.........much like the UIF except for the balls and the good game part
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Knute on June 18, 2014, 08:20:36 pm
Has been long since we agreed on anything Harpag - but this is all true

Pantheons has allways done a very good job in finding gold and troops and making the right equip for their armies, and most of all they never back down - basically they have balls and wants to play a good game.........much like the UIF except for the balls and the good game part

It's the Finnish sisu.

http://www.businessinsider.com/finnish-word-sisu-is-key-to-success-2014-6 (http://www.businessinsider.com/finnish-word-sisu-is-key-to-success-2014-6)

"Always bet on black pink".

Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on June 18, 2014, 10:19:57 pm
It's the Finnish sisu.

http://www.businessinsider.com/finnish-word-sisu-is-key-to-success-2014-6 (http://www.businessinsider.com/finnish-word-sisu-is-key-to-success-2014-6)

"Always bet on black pink".


Finns have simply got an inherent racial advantage over Russians since the Winter war in '39. Easy as that.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Harpag on June 19, 2014, 12:48:09 am
Has been long since we agreed on anything Harpag - but this is all true

Pantheons has allways done a very good job in finding gold and troops and making the right equip for their armies, and most of all they never back down - basically they have balls and wants to play a good game.........much like the UIF except for the balls and the good game part

Grandmom, you don't understand, but I will explain you it once again only because I like you.

Delicately speaking, example with Pantheon is directed specifically to you. They had nothing, but they did great job. You had everything including superstars in full roster, but you fucked up everything what you could like fresh green noob, despite fact that the overall strategy was not the worst.

Here we have another very nice guy who thought that he had +3 mighty balls, but now there are only bitter tears and pretensions to us and to Druzhina.

How could you attack your neighbor, when you both were threatened by a common and declared enemy? What was that? +3 Mighty balls?

Next time play the way your opponent allows, and so far I want to inform you that resources of UIF will be constantly depletes during a series of "thema battles" (a bit better than XP, real battles with full spawnrape etc, but with mixed rosters), and your territories can be sometimes invaded, but will not be occupied. Derchios Castle is yours.

Do what you want. I don't give a fuck.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Lt_Anders on June 19, 2014, 12:54:36 am

Next time play the way your opponent allows, and so far I want to inform you that resources of UIF will be constantly depletes during a series of "thema battles" (a bit better than XP, real battles with full spawnrape etc, but with mixed rosters), and your territories can be sometimes invaded, but will not be occupied. Derchios Castle is yours.

Do what you want. I don't give a fuck.

WTF is wrong with you. Me, not giving to damn fucks about EU, can see that this statement is god awful and why you're all just nothing more than shitbags.

"Play how we tell you, otherwise you can't complain!" Your reasoning, logic and fucking humanity is GONE. Get off strat you don't deserve to play anymore if you make statements like that towards enemies. I really do hope you rot over there in EU. You guys have 6 more months to go, enjoy your own twisted hell.

Though NA is probably going to remove several EU factions off the map. You come over here to play, then play and don't camp.(HMBF w/e you're called, Coorperation, KU) Do something or NA will and you will not like it.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: GRANDMOM on June 19, 2014, 01:52:51 am
Grandmom, you don't understand, but I will explain you it once again only because I like you.

Delicately speaking, example with Pantheon is directed specifically to you. They had nothing, but they did great job. You had everything including superstars in full roster, but you fucked up everything what you could like fresh green noob, despite fact that the overall strategy was not the worst.

Here we have another very nice guy who thought that he had +3 mighty balls, but now there are only bitter tears and pretensions to us and to Druzhina.

How could you attack your neighbor, when you both were threatened by a common and declared enemy? What was that? +3 Mighty balls?

Next time play the way your opponent allows, and so far I want to inform you that resources of UIF will be constantly depletes during a series of "thema battles" (a bit better than XP, real battles with full spawnrape etc, but with mixed rosters), and your territories can be sometimes invaded, but will not be occupied. Derchios Castle is yours.

Do what you want. I don't give a fuck.

Thanks Harpy  :D
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: GRANDMOM on June 19, 2014, 01:55:29 am
WTF is wrong with you. Me, not giving to damn fucks about EU, can see that this statement is god awful and why you're all just nothing more than shitbags.

"Play how we tell you, otherwise you can't complain!" Your reasoning, logic and fucking humanity is GONE. Get off strat you don't deserve to play anymore if you make statements like that towards enemies. I really do hope you rot over there in EU. You guys have 6 more months to go, enjoy your own twisted hell.

Though NA is probably going to remove several EU factions off the map. You come over here to play, then play and don't camp.(HMBF w/e you're called, Coorperation, KU) Do something or NA will and you will not like it.

Here we are being friendly and moving slow so we dont step on everyones toes and we have been doing it wrong? Our bad, cultural clash I guess :)
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Pandemona on June 19, 2014, 02:04:33 am
Maybe it's time to get rid of S&D and the upgraded items. That way playing Strategus would take lesser time for the people who leads a faction and it might also give chance to ''Independent'' people to play more effectively since you will not need to make some kind of agreement with the big factions to trade in their area.

But when it comes to UIF vs others thingy i don't know any solution to that, since DRZ and GO will not fight with each other ever (and i'm not really asking them to do such a thing and i don't have a right to ask such a thing anyway) and since almost everyone else lost their interest to Strategus 5, i don't know any way stand against UIF.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Switchtense on June 19, 2014, 02:58:58 am
Though NA is probably going to remove several EU factions off the map. You come over here to play, then play and don't camp.(HMBF w/e you're called, Coorperation, KU) Do something or NA will and you will not like it.

Think HBMRAF has done more than quite a few NA factions already :) Also getting gear for an army takes ages with 6 people starting to trade from scratch.
But do not worry about us, for we shall pick a fight once we are ready.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: ARN_ on June 19, 2014, 10:21:58 am
Grandmom, you don't understand, but I will explain you it once again only because I like you.

Delicately speaking, example with Pantheon is directed specifically to you. They had nothing, but they did great job. You had everything including superstars in full roster, but you fucked up everything what you could like fresh green noob, despite fact that the overall strategy was not the worst.

Here we have another very nice guy who thought that he had +3 mighty balls, but now there are only bitter tears and pretensions to us and to Druzhina.

How could you attack your neighbor, when you both were threatened by a common and declared enemy? What was that? +3 Mighty balls?

Next time play the way your opponent allows, and so far I want to inform you that resources of UIF will be constantly depletes during a series of "thema battles" (a bit better than XP, real battles with full spawnrape etc, but with mixed rosters), and your territories can be sometimes invaded, but will not be occupied. Derchios Castle is yours.

Do what you want. I don't give a fuck.
If you talk about the shogunate attack, I don't think anyone of us regret that. That was the most fun we have had this whole strat, a even war between two similar sized factions and where both sides could win. That is how strat is supposed to be played if you can't see that I dear to say that you know nothing about strat.

Also at that time we attacked them because they said they were with you, if you don't remember. It turned out they weren't later but we could not have known as they did not tell us. Still was the best time I and a lot of other had this strat.

Also you are talking like we had a fair chance of beating you from the beginning and had superstars in full roster, fuck that! This strat was decided when go, drz and kapis allied still we tried to fight and did something so strat wouldn't die, tell me when did you do something like that? And full rosters with superstars, haha we never had that I don't remember any battle where we had a full roster, maybe some but then we had to accept guys under lvl 25. Yes full roster of superstars. Now Harag please stop trying to glorify your "victory" and come back to reality.

Also to quote a  friend of mine, Sandor Clegane. "Fuck themed battles, fuck the UIF and fuck the EU side". You can have all of that for your self I'm off to NA and I hope none apply for your themed battles as shitting in the face of those who fought uif.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: GRANDMOM on June 19, 2014, 11:29:23 am


How could you attack your neighbor, when you both were threatened by a common and declared enemy? What was that? +3 Mighty balls?


Just adding that GO was feeding Byz troops during that war remember? They hadnt declared shit up untill then, and they werent threatened by you since you were feeding them naked troops to stop us from getting close to your borders and trades - all valid tactics but dont say that the attack on Byz was a bad call - at the circumstances, given they were handed troops by you I would say we were right in doing that attack with the knowledge we had at hand. Had nothing to do with balls, it had to be done.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: phnxhdsn on June 19, 2014, 12:43:54 pm
GO sent over a drunken polish guy I think who stepped inside a 100% crime fief and lost everything XD And they also sent one 500 man army to reinforce, that was literally it. - Unfortunately that was the most interesting war this strategus :D, which is a shame because it wasn't that epic..

Don't understand why people are still arguing about all this shit

Also HMBGLAFOJ or whatever the fuck xD will be engaging in some NA action soon enough, just there are too little sell fiefs in the steppes;)
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Macropus on June 19, 2014, 01:43:26 pm
To be fair, GO and Druzhina fighting each other is a favor they could do to others, but are not obliged to in any way.
Basically they've won the strat, it's up to them to do anything with it. If they are having fun with what they have now, well, thats their business.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Switchtense on June 19, 2014, 03:02:58 pm
Just adding that GO was feeding Byz troops during that war remember? They hadnt declared shit up untill then, and they werent threatened by you since you were feeding them naked troops to stop us from getting close to your borders and trades - all valid tactics but dont say that the attack on Byz was a bad call - at the circumstances, given they were handed troops by you I would say we were right in doing that attack with the knowledge we had at hand. Had nothing to do with balls, it had to be done.

If you were on teamspeak when we talked with Hetman you would have known better than to attack us :D Hetman originally did not want to give us troops, and was very reluctant to actually agree. Too long ago to remember the reason that convinced him, but I can imagine that it was something like Corsair promising to stop trolling on UIF ts or something :lol:

Anyway, it actually was a nice war, pretty much the only real one this strat on EU side.

Red=Edit
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Harpag on June 19, 2014, 03:17:12 pm
... Too long ago to remember the reason that convinced him, but I can imagine that it was something like Corsair promising to troll on UIF ts or something :lol:

Yeah, it was rather blowjob  :lol:   ...bunch of homosexualists... hehehe
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Macropus on June 19, 2014, 05:30:09 pm
OP was a Druzhina member telling us to make an alliance and fight them properly?
So?   :|
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Keshian on June 19, 2014, 05:53:30 pm
If you talk about the shogunate attack, I don't think anyone of us regret that. That was the most fun we have had this whole strat, a even war between two similar sized factions and where both sides could win. That is how strat is supposed to be played if you can't see that I dear to say that you know nothing about strat.

Also at that time we attacked them because they said they were with you, if you don't remember. It turned out they weren't later but we could not have known as they did not tell us. Still was the best time I and a lot of other had this strat.

Also you are talking like we had a fair chance of beating you from the beginning and had superstars in full roster, fuck that! This strat was decided when go, drz and kapis allied still we tried to fight and did something so strat wouldn't die, tell me when did you do something like that? And full rosters with superstars, haha we never had that I don't remember any battle where we had a full roster, maybe some but then we had to accept guys under lvl 25. Yes full roster of superstars. Now Harag please stop trying to glorify your "victory" and come back to reality.

Also to quote a  friend of mine, Sandor Clegane. "Fuck themed battles, fuck the UIF and fuck the EU side". You can have all of that for your self I'm off to NA and I hope none apply for your themed battles as shitting in the face of those who fought uif.

Bump for truth.  Hard to fill roster against UIF when most of the map allies together into UIF before strat even starts.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Nebun on June 19, 2014, 06:01:37 pm
So we cant tell them what to do, and neither should they be telling us what to do.

Sums up many reactions to this thread where a Druzhina member is telling us what to do in OP i think.

He is our recruit. And new to this, he played 1 -2 weeks and now i haven't seen him for a while. I think one of our recruits even tried to make some diplomacy with Kalmars about their surrender without our knowledge, that was very funny.
If its not Vovka, Archer KMC, RXN or me saying anything its not official.

Druzhina didn't ask anything from u. We did attack all neutrals to try and unite you all against us your common hated enemy. But it failed. Some rage quit, some qq.
You tried to split us up with qq and it failed too.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Switchtense on June 19, 2014, 06:04:47 pm
He is our recruit. And new to this, he played 1 -2 weeks and now i haven't seen him for a while.

Were you not nice to him? :(
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Nebun on June 19, 2014, 07:18:29 pm
Were you not nice to him? :(
he's on holidays i guess like half of druzhina
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Algarn on June 19, 2014, 08:10:09 pm
he's on holidays i guess like half of druzhina

Still enough players to own everyone I guess  :lol:
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Yarl on June 19, 2014, 09:01:13 pm
We have no problems with new recruits. We can't just ban  guys who want  join us cuz mostly they're new players and we don't care about personal skills.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: ARN_ on June 19, 2014, 09:07:03 pm
We have no problems with new recruits. We can't just ban  guys who want  join us cuz mostly they're new players and we don't care about personal skills.
What are you talking about?
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Yarl on June 19, 2014, 09:36:11 pm
What are you talking about?
Still enough players to own everyone I guess  :lol:
I tried to explain it.
oh my broken english  :)
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: ARN_ on June 19, 2014, 09:48:48 pm
I tried to explain it.
oh my broken english  :)
He meant that even tho half of drz is on holiday you have enough people to own every other clan in strat :P
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Algarn on June 19, 2014, 09:55:07 pm
I tried to explain it.
oh my broken english  :)

Don't worry, as a frenchman, my english is probably far to be the best. I feel you there...  :lol:
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Yarl on June 19, 2014, 10:38:46 pm
He meant that even tho half of drz is on holiday you have enough people to own every other clan in strat :P
I got it. I tried explain why we have enough people. ~90% of russian speaking community = drz.
most of new russian (ukr,blr,kz)  crpg players will join drz


Don't worry, as a frenchman, my english is probably far to be the best. I feel you there...  :lol:
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Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Harpag on June 19, 2014, 10:44:29 pm
Don't worry, as a frenchman, my english is probably far to be the best. I feel you there...  :lol:

Four years ago I didn't knew how to say a single word in this fucking language, but but due to this community I began to use this forum... but the longer I'm here, the more I have doubts whether I learned English or c-RPG Pidgin  :rolleyes:  :lol:

Sometimes some Britmy old friends should help and improve the most common mistakes...
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: phnxhdsn on June 19, 2014, 10:52:14 pm
If I corrected people's English every time i saw a mistake in cRPG i would run out of lifeforce..
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: jtobiasm on June 19, 2014, 11:03:39 pm
Four years ago I didn't knew how to say a single word in this fucking language, but but due to this community I began to use this forum... but the longer I'm here, the more I have doubts whether I learned English or c-RPG Pidgin  :rolleyes:  :lol:

Sometimes some Britmy old friends should help and improve the most common mistakes...

Fuck that, reading arguments in broken English is funny as fuck.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Kalp on June 19, 2014, 11:03:59 pm
Fuck. I just put my personal opinion here and you guys produce already 8 pages of drama  :rolleyes: :P
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Algarn on June 19, 2014, 11:15:26 pm
You don't need a lot of things to provoke an avalanche in mountains, it's the same for those forums.

And Yarl, don't, or you will regret having a gay accent in english...
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Yarl on June 20, 2014, 12:11:48 am
And Yarl, don't, or you will regret having a gay accent in english...
Impossible. I have a strong russian accent. :)
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Switchtense on June 20, 2014, 10:41:26 am
he's on holidays i guess like half of druzhina

I hope you are all on holidays together, Druzhina clan meeting, I think that would be almost as funny as a Grey Order clan meeting with Corsair as a special guest to surprise Hetman :D


You see he's this 'junk dealer' on Tatooine... and he owns Anakin, and he also has a gambling problem...

Watto is cool! Even though he did not release Shmi he still kept his word and let Anakin go with Qui-Gon. And also gave them the spare parts to repair the Nubian Royal Starship. Also he can resist Jedi brainwash powers!
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Switchtense on June 20, 2014, 04:12:04 pm
Qui-Gon was a dick, he offered Watto invalid currency on a planet that does not accept republic credits (Watto wanna lose his business selling ship parts for invalid money?!) and when Watto rightfully refused, Qui-Gon tries to force him with Jedi Mind Powers!!!! And when that fails he exploits Watto's gambling problem!!!!!!!!!! What a douche!

Yea, that is clearly another proof that Jedi are cunts! Sith are the real heros!
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Switchtense on June 20, 2014, 05:50:07 pm
Well Watto isnt really much of a Sith... he's just the nicest guy you'll ever meet

Well yes I know he isn't :D Just referred to the other posts in some other thread.

I wish Watto would actually exist. I would send him lots of fan letters.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: GRANDMOM on June 20, 2014, 06:46:56 pm





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Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Algarn on June 20, 2014, 07:01:02 pm




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Still more interesting than strat, doesn't matter which strat you're talking about !
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Osiris on June 20, 2014, 09:47:45 pm
Surrender to wessex now plz
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: GRANDMOM on June 20, 2014, 09:55:27 pm




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Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Switchtense on June 20, 2014, 10:39:28 pm
Also Anakin builds a full, huge, working podracer (and a droid) out of 'spare parts'...... My ass!!!

If Watto's so greedy he'd notice any pieces going missing, no matter how small - and it's not like the podracer is exactly small. My guess is that Watto knew Anakin was taking parts and building it and just pretended not to notice so that Anakin could feel like he was accomplishing something alone - let him be independent. And just coincidentally gave him all sorts of great shit to use:

'NYYYYYYYUUUUUU! Ani! Take these useless podracer parts to be scrapped! They're worthless to me!'

And stupid 10-yr-old boy brain is all like 'Stupid old Watto, these parts work just fine'.

Watto basically is Anakins foster father. Pretending to be an asshole so Anakin starts being more and more independant with time. While Qui-Gon keeps holding his hand like he cannot do shit on his own. Destroyed the Trade Federation Droid Control Ship on his own while all the trained pilots got fried! And Yoda obviously does not want a Jedi equally as powerful as him, so he refused to let Qui-Gon officially train him. Which ultimately was a good call since that made Anakin turn to the only true side - the Dark Side. Where he by the way saved a poor old man from that black bully "Mace".

But anyway, point is that Watto is the nicest individual that happens to be in Star Wars.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Switchtense on June 21, 2014, 12:13:49 am
Ikr! I mean, if you were a nice guy like Watto, who was going to free the slave boy when he was ready to take over the business, who looked after his mother and nurtured his talents... how would you feel if a big hairy stranger with an african slave stereotype and presumably a femal slave handmaiden turned up asking to buy your boy off you? After trying to force you to take his fake money, then abusing your gambling problem?

We need a film from Watto's point of view!

Let's do it!
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Harpag on June 21, 2014, 02:11:01 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRQyS_8sShw  :wink:
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Switchtense on June 21, 2014, 11:25:39 am
Star Wars from Watto's Point of View!!!

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''NYYYYYYYYUUUUUUUUUUUH! Welcome to my movie! Please enjoy this heartwarming family adventure with me, my adopted son Anakin, and his lovely mother - and our small independent family store''



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*Hmm... how can I make this loser take my worthless republic money and give me all his shit... Including that sweet aryan slave boy*



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''NYYUUUUUUUUUUU! I have a serious gambling problem, I've managed to go 2 weeks without gambling so please don't take advantage of that...''



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''NYYUUU!!! You took everything! I'm ruined!!!! At least promise me you'll raise the boy right!''

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The end.


Let's not forget HOW Qui-Gon managed to make Watto give him Anakin. It is not like he did it the honest way. He manipulated the dices which were to determinte whether he will get Anakin or Shmi.
Surely if he would have freed Shmi rather than Anakin, she would still be alive, Anakin would own Watto's junkyard, would have never killed all the Padawans, not turned into Darth Vader, not killed Padme who would also be alive, Luke would have never been born (Let's face it, he is a mummy's boy, cannot get shit done, just by luck destroyed the Death Star and in the end it was Anakin who killed the Emperor, not Luke)
So Qui-Gon actually empowered the Dark Side, without him it would have been only the Emperor, and Mace Windu would have killed him in his office.

Obviously it was Anakin who destroyed the Droid Control Ship, but I like the Trade Federation better than the stupid Gungans anyway :D
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Switchtense on June 21, 2014, 06:45:00 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTzG9J1CB10

Huge load of Jedi Propaganda. Watto was not even mentioned really.
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Osiris on June 22, 2014, 12:10:41 am
The truth is out there boys

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Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: phnxhdsn on June 22, 2014, 04:11:36 pm
Why so much analysis on a shit film?  :lol:
Title: Re: Anti-Druzhina alliance
Post by: Switchtense on June 22, 2014, 06:29:42 pm
Why so much analysis on a shit film?  :lol:

Go back to EU you scummy piece of shit.

Sincerely, Watto