Yay, 80 bot rounds... :rolleyes:
So i cant earn money anywhere now... I can barely be in a little plus when im on x5 on EU1 or EU2 cus archery gear for some reason breaks almost every round (i pay so often for 3+ items that is insane, and not so rarely for all 7 im wearing). Now if i decide to come to a fucking boring DTV cus entire game mode is sucky as hell since all of those changes i will have to wear my proper gear in order to try to earn some gold?What? lol
What you are telling me is that heavy archers cant make gold anywhere.
Nice way to indirectly 2x heavy nerf archers.
Cant wait for Life is Feudal to come out to openly tell all the devs to go fuck themselves. Now i cant cus i can get banned...
P.S.
Tnx for the info Fips, at least u care to share the changes.
So i cant earn money anywhere now... I can barely be in a little plus when im on x5 on EU1 or EU2 cus archery gear for some reason breaks almost every round (i pay so often for 3+ items that is insane, and not so rarely for all 7 im wearing). Now if i decide to come to a fucking boring DTV cus entire game mode is sucky as hell since all of those changes i will have to wear my proper gear in order to try to earn some gold?
What you are telling me is that heavy archers cant make gold anywhere.
Nice way to indirectly 2x heavy nerf archers.
Cant wait for Life is Feudal to come out to openly tell all the devs to go fuck themselves. Now i cant cus i can get banned...
P.S.
Tnx for the info Fips, at least u care to share the changes.
Since you increased the bot count, you should increase the rewards aswell.I dont think you get it Panos. :(
So i cant earn money anywhere now... I can barely be in a little plus when im on x5 on EU1 or EU2 cus archery gear for some reason breaks almost every round (i pay so often for 3+ items that is insane, and not so rarely for all 7 im wearing). Now if i decide to come to a fucking boring DTV cus entire game mode is sucky as hell since all of those changes i will have to wear my proper gear in order to try to earn some gold?
What you are telling me is that heavy archers cant make gold anywhere.
Nice way to indirectly 2x heavy nerf archers.
Cant wait for Life is Feudal to come out to openly tell all the devs to go fuck themselves. Now i cant cus i can get banned...
P.S.
Tnx for the info Fips, at least u care to share the changes.
Archers shouldn't have a harder time with this. He said armor isn't checked--only level. So, that being said, you should no more worthless to your team after the change as you are now. ;)Im lvl 35 for example. A lot of ppl i come with to DTV are above 31. That is at least 5 ppl. And that is 1/6 of the team. Some other (~5-10) players that i know are also above 31. So thats approx 1/2 of the team high lvled. So basically heavy archers (rus/long bow and tatar/bodkin arrows) got rekt double with those patches.
Absolutely no one on the NA server has disagreed that the "new changes" are awful.
So now when there are 10 of us, we are wiping at a 30+ bandit wave. We think we have a tactic that works (until it doesn't), and the map immediately changes to a new one, preventing any adaptation.
A leecher problem? Kick polls are turned on; what you think you're doing with these changes is the exact opposite.
Finally there's a challenge that requires team to actually play to advance.
I'll miss the good old relaxing open maps, but since Fips stated it many times now that he'll never bring them back, we'll just have to work with what we get.
Stop whining, instead of bitching and posting retarded comments like these ^ post something that will help fips make dtv better.Take away the changes from NA.
An actual reward for beating tincans would be nice.This. If there is none, often people lose on purpose so that they can keep the map longer.
I dont think you get it Panos. :(yea it is why it is most popular over 3 yers old mod for M&B
cRPG is the only mod for a game i have seen that has an ultimate goal to remove fun so you can... um... i dont know what... Seems just reduction of fun is the case.
I'm struggling to upload a video from 2 nights before where I had recorded some footage of us getting to Auxiliaries (9th round currently, I think...), which took us slightly more than half an hour (it starts from weaboo/ninjas round), so you people will get the idea how it is currently. Was fun, a little intense at times :)
Crossbow on dtv is more unplayable than ever :(
Yeah, i wanted to increase the throwing ammunition and the reload speed of every xbow immensely, but i'm just too much of a noob with the MS right now to actually do that. Throwing and xbow are quite useless on dtv........
@Uther: Any problems with the new waves after Legions? As in, any bot not attacking or only using fists or missing equipment or anything. Too bad you didn't get to the Landsknechts, though, would have been nice to know for them, too.
Instead of lowering the amount of bots (because i freaking love it tbh) i think i'll just scale down the skills of the bots a little bit. And by a little bit i really mean a little bit, anything after the first 6 or 7 waves will still be hard.
Yeah, i wanted to increase the throwing ammunition and the reload speed of every xbow immensely, but i'm just too much of a noob with the MS right now to actually do that. Throwing and xbow are quite useless on dtv.
@Uther: Any problems with the new waves after Legions? As in, any bot not attacking or only using fists or missing equipment or anything. Too bad you didn't get to the Landsknechts, though, would have been nice to know for them, too.
Instead of lowering the amount of bots (because i freaking love it tbh) i think i'll just scale down the skills of the bots a little bit. And by a little bit i really mean a little bit, anything after the first 6 or 7 waves will still be hard.
Yeah, i wanted to increase the throwing ammunition and the reload speed of every xbow immensely, but i'm just too much of a noob with the MS right now to actually do that. Throwing and xbow are quite useless on dtv.
@Uther: Any problems with the new waves after Legions? As in, any bot not attacking or only using fists or missing equipment or anything. Too bad you didn't get to the Landsknechts, though, would have been nice to know for them, too.
Instead of lowering the amount of bots (because i freaking love it tbh) i think i'll just scale down the skills of the bots a little bit. And by a little bit i really mean a little bit, anything after the first 6 or 7 waves will still be hard.
Stop whining, instead of bitching and posting retarded comments like these ^ post something that will help fips make dtv better.
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Don't fix things that aren't broken...
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I'm not fixing anything, i'm just adjusting the difficulty of some bots.
Yeah, i wanted to increase the throwing ammunition and the reload speed of every xbow immensely, but i'm just too much of a noob with the MS right now to actually do that. Throwing and xbow are quite useless on dtv.
@Uther: Any problems with the new waves after Legions? As in, any bot not attacking or only using fists or missing equipment or anything. Too bad you didn't get to the Landsknechts, though, would have been nice to know for them, too.
Instead of lowering the amount of bots (because i freaking love it tbh) i think i'll just scale down the skills of the bots a little bit. And by a little bit i really mean a little bit, anything after the first 6 or 7 waves will still be hard.
maybe add weapon rack?Lol.
Cough cough any chance on an extra reward for beating tincans? :D
Rather than just lowering the number of bots, have you considered things like allowing cavalry, allowing construction sites, and enabling the shieldwall bonus? The recent changes have done a lot to make DTV interesting to play, so why not continue the trend? If you are really worried that the inclusion of these elements will allow people to cheese the mode, you can always increase the difficulty further if testing proves that they make things too easy.
PS: Made it to chadz wave on one of the new maps 8-)
These changes do kinda screw over small teams. It used to be that a good 2 man team on a good map with a lot of luck could reach tincans. I don't see that happening any more, now it seems anything under 10 people is just not enough to reach the highest waves.
Personally, I think any team size should be able to make it to tincans as long as they're good enough. So scaling for smaller teams needs to be adjusted, both bot count and reward need to come down a bit imo.
Good work! Have to say this map is my new favourite(click to show/hide)
No. XP & Gold of dtv has always been WAY too high.
People, stop complaining about the reward, because, ever since these changes, I haven't lost gold at all in any round, and I wear decent armour and expensive weapons in general. And, even if I did, I would understand, because that's how it works in battle too, for example. Sometimes you earn cash, other times you lose it.
I was about to say reduce the reward, but I guess it's fine now since DTV is more challenging and rounds take longer to finish. I love the changes, just as they are.
Yeah, it must be easy to love the changes when your bots don't even block.Play in EU_7 and see if they block or not before making such comments.
Play in EU_7 and see if they block or not before making such comments.According to cmp
WSE2 fixes bots being unable to block when manual block is on. NA DTV runs on WSE2, EU DTV does not.
According to cmp
I played 19 sets of waves the other day on EU 7. You can see my name here:goodjob thranduil. we have already established that EU7 bots do block. :rolleyes:(click to show/hide)
I can attest, they do block. And you can also see them blocking in the picture.
goodjob thranduil. we have already established that EU7 bots do block. :rolleyes:
Wut, NA7 is missing wse2?! But it's an official server, i don't understand. Especially because i thought EU had to struggle a quite some time until it got the wse2 implementation that NA had for a long time.So what can we do to get the update reverted??? I didn't forget about your hotfix but in NA_7 we aren't like EU who may be organized. We're a mix of good and bad players (some new players) who are of course trying to beat it but with the hopes of making some decent gains!! It's just my opinion the hotfix isn't enough but i do want to thank you for always putting new ideas and work into DTV. Maybe you should hop on NA_7 and see what i mean
@protox2k: Just because plenty of people complain does not mean that the change gets reverted. I said in the very beginning of this thread that it's going to be adjusted, but removed? No, definitely not. I might lower the additional bots per spawn down to 2 so lower population isn't as hard as it is now (Although it always has been a lot harder), but the amount of bots you get for a full server is just fine.
And again, you all seem to forget that i already stated that some bots that i felt were a little over the top, will be nerfed in the upcoming hotfix. And since we already got to chadz wave with the bots right now i do not see a reason why i should lower the amount of bots again. It's also so much fun, especially cav-waves are fucking great now.
People, stop complaining about the reward, because, ever since these changes, I haven't lost gold at all in any round, and I wear decent armour and expensive weapons in general. And, even if I did, I would understand, because that's how it works in battle too, for example. Sometimes you earn cash, other times you lose it.I'm not complaining about rewards, I'm complaining about leechers. And yes it's true, atleast I'm losing less money one dtv than on eu1
I was about to say reduce the reward, but I guess it's fine now since DTV is more challenging and rounds take longer to finish. I love the changes, just as they are.
Honestly, I do not see what you are all saying, even yesterday at 2am in EU we were 8-11 and when I got to bed we had just beaten SeaRaiders. We had a few good players, but nothing special (best one around would probably kCENAi and Zyx, then some averages like faps and me). all you need is to make sure all entrances are half decently covered and some backup at V.
That team that we had would have been able to get to the highest waves in the old dtv, especially on such an easy map. I also left just after searaiders, because I knew we wouldn't have gotten much further anyway.
I still think the amount of bots needs to be adjusted for small teams and low level players. I firmly think that any size team should be able to get up to tincans if they're good enough, currently I don't think that's possible. Even if it is possible, the balance is completely out of wack, it is much, much harder for a small team (or a team with a lot of low lvls), previously it was already harder for a small team, the gap was just a lot smaller.
One of my "goals" in cRPG was to get a 2 man dtv win sometime. Me and Friedturtle have gotten close plenty of times, but the chadz wave always defeated us, because it spawns all the bosses at the same time, which means more than double the amount of bots compared to a normal wave. Now it feels like every wave is the chadz wave, just too many damn bots to even stand a chance.
Edit: Eh, I was too late, I'll need to test the changes before I complain some more :wink:
Low pop has been addressed with the new formula, at least to some degree.
Edit: Welp, chadz patching ruined the surprise.
IF((sum_all_player_levels/number_of_players)<10
use formula 1
ELSEIF((sum_all_player_levels/number_of_players)>9||(sum_all_player_levels/number_of_players)<20
use formula 2
ELSEIF((sum_all_player_levels/number_of_players)>19
use formula 3My question is, what was bot count based on before player levels?Only number of players i think ?
My question is, what was bot count based on before player levels? Like the formula and what not.
Also, NA get some skillz.
Do i have to slap you with sarcasm in the face for you to notice it?
Jeez, and i thought we germans were unhumorous basterds.
Also, regarding cav, since horses were disallowed, riding acted like athletics, which I do not know whether it is fixed, and would make riding skill op in DTV atm.
This is basicly the only game mod/game i know where NA is not the region, which is taken most care of, and you guys are really making sure that everyone notices that. Every other game we(EU) have to wait for fixes and endure long server downtimes. LoL is the perfect example of that.
Anyway............off-topic.
If you didn't know america tends to be the biggest market area for video games so most likely that's why :l. In the end i just want this server to be a fun as possible without repairs or difficulty always getting in the wayThe EU server has more players than the NA one, quite a lot actually. But yeah i get it, just possibly cut out the ''we are NA thing'' and give the constructive critism.
The EU server has more players than the NA one, quite a lot actually. But yeah i get it, just possibly cut out the ''we are NA thing'' and give the constructive critism.
If you didn't know america tends to be the biggest market area for video games
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DTV is better than it's ever been. It is more challenging but importantly, more fun.
There will never be an "NA split" with DTV (or any other modes for that matter). All changes will remain the same for c-RPG, regardless of the region you're in. Some updates might take longer or lag behind in NA, that is simple the nature of the mod.
In what game would you ever have different mechanics for different regions?
DTV is better than it's ever been. It is more challenging but importantly, more fun.I'm going to have to disagree with most of that, while dtv is much more challenging, it isn't nearly as fun. Even though it was toughI enjoyed DTV the most before it was stripped of its unique maps and given blander maps. When it was grindy and the xp was good, it was as fun as something that isn't fun, but it was much easier. Now, it's both not fun and very difficult. I don't like losing money wearing medium armor, or hardly ever getting past Tihr. If the number of bots is decreased substantially but still a challenge, it will be a lot more enjoyable. Or, decrease the repair costs, so people would not have to choose between dying quick or going broke. Excepting this, and the traumatizing fact that your beloved clipclop has heart attacks at the end of the round, I finally think DTV is taking steps in a good direction.
There will never be an "NA split" with DTV (or any other modes for that matter). All changes will remain the same for c-RPG, regardless of the region you're in. Some updates might take longer or lag behind in NA, that is simple the nature of the mod.
In what game would you ever have different mechanics for different regions?
Higher levels -> more bots -> more xp and gold ?
Can you please answer?
do you think you can fix the horse killing after first round? would be supercool
Not sure if i can do that so easily, but i informed Shik about it in the hopes he does it. He's way more experienced with this.cool thx :mrgreen:
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@1roundlimit: It would just end in people getting used to change the map if it's not grindable enough or whatever, so it stays this way. You don't need a whole playthrough to realize how to play a map, the first few waves are enough to figure that out.
Since i am too lazy to check all posts, is there somewhere link with all new waves and like type of armour enemies are wearing so to decide is it more useful to use sword or maul ?No afaik. The rounds iirc are (in progress, feel free to correct or add items i may have missed):