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Title: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: Corsair831 on November 18, 2013, 07:27:06 pm
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thanks devs :D
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Post by: Umbra on November 18, 2013, 07:29:56 pm
So basically, the difference between lvl 30 and lvl 30+ builds is now even larger. Great...
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Post by: Tzar on November 18, 2013, 07:31:05 pm
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Post by: Nightmare798 on November 18, 2013, 07:33:41 pm
Quote from: Tzar on November 18, 2013, 07:31:05 pm
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LEL

Im just gonna go spectate to entertain myself on sudden increase of ninjas.
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Post by: Prpavi on November 18, 2013, 07:34:03 pm
this build looks a bit broken I must admit and with current 1h animations and speed damn... I'll be sure to avoid you at all cost Corsair
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: San on November 18, 2013, 07:34:20 pm
Weak  :twisted:

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Post by: Crob28 on November 18, 2013, 07:35:33 pm
I now officially torn as to what to do with my formerly 21-15 shielder, 18-21 might be in order
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Post by: Corsair831 on November 18, 2013, 07:36:49 pm
Quote from: san. on November 18, 2013, 07:34:20 pm
Weak  :twisted:

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i was thinking of maxing 1h to 198 but the prospect of having effective hoplite in the build as well was far too tempting :D
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Post by: San on November 18, 2013, 07:40:02 pm
Yeah. With 1h it's really good since you can carry both a 1h and decent polearm(or 2h). With 9ath you won't get weighed down that much carrying them both. 33-36 is good enough for me against horses if I need to pick one up.
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Post by: Gurnisson on November 18, 2013, 07:40:49 pm
I miss my HX, US Cav Walker. Bring him back, even worse? :twisted:

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Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: NJ_Legion_Icedtea on November 18, 2013, 07:46:56 pm
Quote from: Gurnisson on November 18, 2013, 07:40:49 pm
I miss my HX, US Cav Walker

You were walker?! yes bring him back!  :lol:
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Post by: Latvian on November 18, 2013, 07:57:52 pm
rondel dagger all day long bitches


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Post by: Boerenlater on November 18, 2013, 07:59:59 pm
Quote from: Latvian on November 18, 2013, 07:57:52 pm
rondel dagger all day long bitches


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Plz...
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Post by: Algarn on November 18, 2013, 08:10:13 pm
Lat , do it , and I swear to track you like the bitch rondel my old friend you will become.
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Post by: Spurdospera on November 18, 2013, 08:10:14 pm
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Top lel with +3rondel?  :wink:
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Post by: Tuetensuppe on November 18, 2013, 08:10:27 pm
Quote from: Corsair831 on November 18, 2013, 07:27:06 pm
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thanks devs :D

well, great for kinngrimm and corsair...well done devs
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Post by: Falka on November 18, 2013, 08:17:09 pm
I will stay with my 18-24 build I guess. Being 1h/hoplite hybrid is quite tempting, but meh, I hate fighting against hoplites, so will not join the dark side.
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: Corsair831 on November 18, 2013, 08:33:45 pm
Quote from: Tuetensuppe on November 18, 2013, 08:10:27 pm
well, great for kinngrimm and corsair...well done devs

i think kinngrimm plays with low WM to make him have high shield skill

so no, just corsair buff :D
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: Erzengel on November 18, 2013, 08:49:19 pm
Quote from: san. on November 18, 2013, 07:34:20 pm
Weak  :twisted:

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Terrible wpf distribution. :P You could have gone for 204/42/132 instead. Much better imo.
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Post by: FleetFox on November 18, 2013, 09:12:03 pm
Quote from: Spurdospera on November 18, 2013, 08:10:14 pm
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Top lel with +3rondel?  :wink:

Dear god, what have you done?? :O
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Post by: Algarn on November 18, 2013, 09:19:10 pm
I never saw so much HAs and HXs. Never after the patch that nerfed them as fuck... It's worse than rondel because you can't even survive 1 minute without being savagely murdered by corsair or shot to death by a random HA/HX.

Patch is good, but pple are just dumb, and will always make uber builds. Will post pics of all troll builds possible.

classic one, rondel with shield
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HX
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HA
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Ninja with katana
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All those builds are OP and totally game breaking. With the third one, you can't even see the katana, and just imagine Estoc with this build.
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: Kelugarn on November 18, 2013, 09:24:13 pm
You know, with 10 WM you can split your WPF into two melee categories and end up with ~180 in each once you're 30+.
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Post by: Rebelyell on November 18, 2013, 09:25:01 pm
stevee have 197 wpf in archery
 yea GL there
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Post by: Prpavi on November 18, 2013, 09:46:29 pm
Won't affect ranged? lololololo Archers are laser accurate, HA uber fun!
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Post by: Thomek on November 18, 2013, 09:46:47 pm
This is a bit nasty.. could become gamebreaking, but time will show..
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Post by: Chris_the_Animal on November 18, 2013, 09:53:26 pm
Is the mastermark of 190 wpf for ranged still the highest? (highest means that the corsshair dont become smaller after you hit 190 wpf)
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: Elindor on November 18, 2013, 09:54:13 pm
I had suggested that the top end of wpf not change much, just the bottom end...but we'll see I guess...
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Post by: San on November 18, 2013, 10:02:05 pm
Quote from: Erzengel on November 18, 2013, 08:49:19 pm
Terrible wpf distribution. :P You could have gone for 204/42/132 instead. Much better imo.

Go all the way or go home :D. Perhaps, but I'm not going to use polearms very much. 210 actually had a few points left over for 42wpf, decent.
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Post by: Leshma on November 18, 2013, 10:17:45 pm
This is why I was mentioning wpf cap...
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Post by: Blackbow on November 18, 2013, 10:42:15 pm
there is like 80% of agiwhore and 20% of str build but lets buff agi...

this is what i think of this patch who just unbalance crpg imo

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Post by: Son Of Odin on November 18, 2013, 10:46:04 pm
Quote from: FleetFox on November 18, 2013, 09:12:03 pm
Dear god, what have you done?? :O
Probably nothing since he hasn't pressed "save stats"- button :lol:
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: Prpavi on November 18, 2013, 10:53:19 pm
Quote from: blackbow on November 18, 2013, 10:42:15 pm
there is like 80% of agiwhore and 20% of str build but lets buff agi...

this is what i think of this patch who just unbalance crpg imo


Maybe on EU1 but the game is balanced for Strat
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: Algarn on November 18, 2013, 11:37:10 pm
Balance the whole game for a single gamemode that everyone plays for XP instead of fun ... Nice idea ! You will regret what you just said there soon Prpavi. Hang out on EU1 and you will be very quickly pissed off.

Here is why :

Every guy with a bow that said himself he will hybridize sees that he cannot do so without loosing wpfs. Now , every archer just put all wpf in archery and maxes out ATL only to say "fuck you" to devs. They wanted to stop the kiting, it will be back now thanks of this patch.

Also, after a long discussion with blackbow, we agreed on one thing (which is quite rare): the buff of rus and long bow is worthless because it doesn't get any range. It only did reduced the random trajectory factor of the arrow, which is already pretty low with 155 wpf imo. Archery will only be truly OP because of this patch as I said before.

Give Steevee 183 wpf, and give him 197 after the patch. Same for Bagge, which gone to 170 to 183 (?). The result is that they kill everyone and are TRULY OP. But they aren't such a problem because it's only two guys. But imagine if every guy with a bow gets more than 170 ...
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: pingpong on November 18, 2013, 11:50:27 pm
Quote from: Spurdospera on November 18, 2013, 08:10:14 pm
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Top lel with +3rondel?  :wink:
So why is this OP abusebuild still viable,  if 39/3 isnt?  No more str crutch is good but it should work both ways, you should need to have STR too.
Also, rondel "nerf" is a joke, its still too OP.
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: Mendro on November 18, 2013, 11:56:34 pm
How I see this patch :

"RANGED YOU HAVE TO KITE ! WHAT ? FIGHT IN MELEE ? HAHAHA NICE JOKE "

"HEY SPAMMERS, YOUR TIME IS OVER ! NOW IT'S TIME TO OVERSPAM !! "


How I see the next patch :

Quote from: Tydeus on November 18, 2013, 03:01:24 am
Imo, throwing damage should be slightly reduced while accuracy increased drastically.

"THROWING ? WHAT IS THIS SHIT? GO ARCHER !"

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Post by: Templar_Steevee on November 19, 2013, 12:12:44 am
197 wpf in archery, but remember that in others I still have 1. Shooting speed increase is not noticable, only accuracy a bit compared to one before patch, so it's helping only for long range head shooting, but it's still not a pin shot (close to it but still not a pin). You also have to remember that DMG from ranged is decreasing with increasing of distance :)

Melee are in a way better situation, because they have bonuses to other weapon clases.

Anyway i think it's not so OP for a lvl 35 character. Pure melee could make also a some kine of OP build, like mine in archery.
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: Prpavi on November 19, 2013, 12:13:22 am
Quote from: Algarn_of_Nord on November 18, 2013, 11:37:10 pm
Balance the whole game for a single gamemode that everyone plays for XP instead of fun ... Nice idea ! You will regret what you just said there soon Prpavi. Hang out on EU1 and you will be very quickly pissed off.


You understood me wrong m8, what I mean't to say is that devs balance the game for strat not Battle of Siege in mind
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Post by: Armycook_of_KSantiago on November 19, 2013, 12:28:02 am
PREPARE TO GET 1 SHOTTED BY MY MIGHTY MORNINGSTAR
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Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: bilwit on November 19, 2013, 03:33:55 am
curve is too steep imo
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Post by: Clockworkkiller on November 19, 2013, 03:37:46 am
Everyone is using these fucking insane agi speed crazy builds



And I'm just sitting here being a 18/18 shielder like a tard.......
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Post by: Blackbow on November 19, 2013, 04:58:34 am
Quote from: Prpavi on November 18, 2013, 10:53:19 pm
Maybe on EU1 but the game is balanced for Strat

to be honest i dont understand what will be the change for strat ???
ppl will still play with same armors and weapons but with more op melee build
especialy hoplites...
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Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on November 19, 2013, 05:07:51 am
THANKS FOR BUFFING MY HT TYDEUS LOVE YOU
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Post by: Matey on November 19, 2013, 05:08:18 am
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thanks devs :D

why you do have my exact build except with 2 less 1h and a bit more pole? get outta here!
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Post by: nayman on November 19, 2013, 07:16:15 am
i guess devs made these changes to balance str builds, but agiwhores abuse that advantage.
i was lvl 32 21/21 before the patch, i'm gonna check out the changes next week, but i don't think i'll go agiwhoring.

P.S. poor mates, who bought training lessons. demand back your gold, lezalith is cheater indeed :)
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: Grumbs on November 19, 2013, 09:01:38 am
Giving less WPF for low AGI would have been enough, didn't need to buff high agi at the same time. Could have even given more WPF for hybrid melees and wouldn't have had the problem of uber high WPF in 1 area like we have now

Anyway i'll wait and see how it goes in the next few weeks, bit too early to call atm. Definately should have just done the patch and then waited a while before offering the respecs though. Now they are kind of stuck with how they balanced it unless they nerf weapons for all builds

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Post by: Harpag on November 19, 2013, 11:21:29 am
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thanks devs :D

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This is fucking crazy  :D :D :D

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Post by: Spawny on November 19, 2013, 11:38:43 am
I wish I was level 34  :cry:
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Post by: Lars on November 19, 2013, 01:15:16 pm
Quote from: Mendro on November 18, 2013, 11:56:34 pm
How I see this patch :

"RANGED YOU HAVE TO KITE ! WHAT ? FIGHT IN MELEE ? HAHAHA NICE JOKE "

"HEY SPAMMERS, YOUR TIME IS OVER ! NOW IT'S TIME TO OVERSPAM !! "


How I see the next patch :

"THROWING ? WHAT IS THIS SHIT? GO ARCHER !"

Buff throwing weapons secondary(melee) mode pls, now you have less wpf to put in 1h/pole if you play an hybrid thrower
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Post by: Haze_The_Hobo on November 19, 2013, 01:28:32 pm
Quote from: Gurnisson on November 18, 2013, 07:40:49 pm
I miss my HX, US Cav Walker. Bring him back, even worse? :twisted:

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This is MADNESS!  :shock:  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: Leshma on November 19, 2013, 04:07:21 pm
There are two ways to fix this:

Both fixes will further limit build variation but it has to be done because you have to abuse, instead of playing nice. Although, most of these changes are psychological cause I can still block Erzengel, despite his 200 wpf in 1h.

Extra ranged wpf is completely different story though, don't buy bullcrap archers say how 11 wpf on top of 173 isn't much. I had lvl 33 archer, going from 173 to 184 wpf makes epic difference for longbow.
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Post by: Berserkadin on November 19, 2013, 04:51:14 pm
Thanks devs for making the difference between low level and high(no-life grinders) levels even bigger!
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Post by: Casimir on November 19, 2013, 04:56:45 pm
all des str crutchers be maddd
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Post by: gallonigher on November 19, 2013, 05:04:05 pm
This patch seemed too ambitious from the start and I think all they managed to succeed at was royally fucking this game up lol
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Post by: Jack1 on November 19, 2013, 05:07:20 pm
The main thing I love about this new patch is that I can 1 hit people with my new awlpike.

P.S. San, I'm aiming for your head now that you have only 15 str.
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Post by: Erzengel on November 19, 2013, 05:07:43 pm
Quote from: Leshma on November 19, 2013, 04:07:21 pm
There are two ways to fix this:
  • already mentioned wpf cap
  • raise str requirements significantly

Both fixes will further limit build variation but it has to be done because you have to abuse, instead of playing nice. Although, most of these changes are psychological cause I can still block Erzengel, despite his 200 wpf in 1h.

Extra ranged wpf is completely different story though, don't buy bullcrap archers say how 11 wpf on top of 173 isn't much. I had lvl 33 archer, going from 173 to 184 wpf makes epic difference for longbow.

No idea why you are mentioning me, I haven't even skilled my character yet.  :? I also don't think that it is a big deal if you can block my attacks since I am usually too lazy (bad?) to do any feints.  :P

A significant raise of strength requirements would be terrible by the way. I don't want to see everybody running around with at least 21-24 strength. Build-variety is one of the things that makes this mod fun. Balanced and strength builds (unless they are extreme ones like 39/3) are still viable. Agility is strong, but has several drawbacks.


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Post by: Daunt_Flockula on November 19, 2013, 05:09:00 pm
I was excited about this patch in terms of both the wpf system changes and the new gear. However, after seeing some of the examplary builds here, I am simply too unwilling to use my respec and go back. Haven't yet seen it in action myself, yet what I am going to stumble upon is very obvious:

Even deadlier ranged players who can now kite you to eternity

Rondel bitches who are 10 times more annoying with increased athlethics, wpf and all

A lot more speedy ninjas

etc.

I can hear some of you guys telling me to go with the flow and just adopt one of the potentially problematic builds as well. In return, I have to note that I refuse to be the vicious exploiter who has no problem with instantly abusing whatever is made OP with every patch. Probably, I'll just stick around while and see what happens next. The current state of things simply doesn't ring the right bells in my mind. Still, I may be overreacting and exaggerating.

On a side note, thanks a lot for the patch nevertheless. You guys have never abandoned the mod and that is definitely great. (Didn't state my thanks in the patch thread. Thought I could drop this here to avoid making multiple posts about the patch.)
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: Erzengel on November 19, 2013, 05:14:30 pm
Quote from: ASGUARDIAN on November 19, 2013, 05:09:00 pm
I was excited about this patch in terms of both the wpf system changes and the new gear. However, after seeing some of the examplary builds here, I am simply too unwilling to use my respec and go back. Haven't yet seen it in action myself, yet what I am going to stumble upon is very obvious:

Even deadlier ranged players who can now kite you to eternity

Rondel bitches who are 10 times more annoying with increased athlethics, wpf and all

A lot more speedy ninjas

etc.

I can hear some of you guys telling me to go with the flow and just adopt one of the potentially problematic builds as well. In return, I have to note that I refuse to be the vicious exploiter who has no problem with instantly abusing whatever is made OP with every patch. Probably, I'll just wait a while and see happens next. The current state of things simply doesn't ring the right bells in my mind. Still, I may be overreacting and exaggerating.

On a side note, thanks a lot for the patch nevertheless. You guys have never abandoned the mod and that is definitely great. (Didn't state my thanks in the patch thread. Thought I could drop this here to avoid making multiple posts about the patch.)

Join the servers and you will see that it is much better than you would expect. ;) Most players are still using balanced builds as far as I can tell. I was playing on EU_2 yesterday and saw only very few agi whores.
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Post by: Carthan on November 19, 2013, 05:16:38 pm
The first hour or so after the patch was pure havoc, coming on a few hours later everything as about normal for me.
I do love how everyone decided to get more agility for lulz and became so weak they die quickly
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Post by: San on November 19, 2013, 05:21:24 pm
Quote from: Risen_Jack on November 19, 2013, 05:07:20 pm
The main thing I love about this new patch is that I can 1 hit people with my new awlpike.

P.S. San, I'm aiming for your head now that you have only 15 str.

Haha, I really felt some targeting by a few people yesterday, especially the throwers. But now I persevered and got my 4 shield now, hopefully that helps a little. Haven't noticed that much of a power decrease yet, but that may be because people have less HP.
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Post by: Ellie on November 19, 2013, 11:35:35 pm
Quote from: Lars on November 19, 2013, 01:15:16 pm
Buff throwing weapons secondary(melee) mode pls, now you have less wpf to put in 1h/pole if you play an hybrid thrower


Only buff their melee if you nerf the throwing lances in melee. those are too good.
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Post by: Kalp on November 20, 2013, 09:31:33 am
Quote from: Harpag on November 19, 2013, 11:21:29 am
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This is fucking crazy  :D :D :D
Now I know why he is dying after my one th  :lol:
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Post by: Bobthehero on November 20, 2013, 09:48:02 am
Mod is dead for me
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Post by: Cup1d on November 20, 2013, 10:15:11 am
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Plated charger, jousting lance, rondel dagger and steel shield.
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Post by: Erzengel on November 20, 2013, 10:24:53 am
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Plated charger, jousting lance, rondel dagger and steel shield.

Congratulations, probably the worst build I have seen so far.  :D
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Post by: Ronin on November 20, 2013, 10:28:09 am
Are high wpf builds truly effective? Do they do some damage at all? My armor seemed to stop some of the hits from high agi players as far as I can tell. When they scored a succesful hit, they did only 10% damage or so while I could sweep them down most of them in 2 strikes (potentially 1-hit-ko with a knockdown weapon). I'm not even a STR whore, just the usual 21/21 build.
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Post by: Angantyr on November 20, 2013, 11:20:43 am
Quote from: Grumbs on November 19, 2013, 09:01:38 am
Giving less WPF for low AGI would have been enough, didn't need to buff high agi at the same time.
^
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Post by: Herkkutatti666 on November 20, 2013, 12:31:04 pm
Mod is ded. - Regards knower
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Post by: Harpag on November 20, 2013, 01:45:19 pm
Quote from: Bobthehero on November 20, 2013, 09:48:02 am
Mod is dead for me

thanks  :wink:
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Post by: Kafein on November 20, 2013, 02:03:27 pm
The main thing people have to adapt with regard with the "new" melee meta is their playstyle, not their builds. Get used to fighting agi whores (and it also makes you a much better player).
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Post by: Rhygar666 on November 20, 2013, 03:00:13 pm
im better than ever now, i can easily get 8 wpm, 8 shield 8 athletics, 
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Post by: Vibe on November 20, 2013, 03:06:30 pm
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Post by: Son Of Odin on November 20, 2013, 03:09:11 pm
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Wonder how many would even care if they noticed those are not kittens...

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Post by: Grumbs on November 20, 2013, 03:27:52 pm
Don't come here to see gifs like that, would expect a mod to do something useful
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Post by: Son Of Odin on November 20, 2013, 03:41:52 pm
Well since it seems that the gif creates so much unhappy campers, I took the liberty to change it :rolleyes:
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Post by: UnholyRolyPoly on November 20, 2013, 06:22:43 pm
The Server is faster.  It was needed.  The mass respec totally mixed things up.  Suddenly players you've been fighting for years are different.  The server as a whole is entirely different.  There are more ranged.  Infantry can't just blindly charge every single round like they have been etc. 

I love what they did and it didn't even benefit me.  I'm a 1h thrower hybrid with 6 ath and WM.  I have 117 in 1h and 110 in throwing lol.  But I still enjoy the challenge.  The Devs should hand out a mass respec once a year (Christmas.)  It's refreshed the entire game. 
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: Corsair831 on November 20, 2013, 06:24:06 pm
Quote from: Son Of Odin on November 20, 2013, 03:41:52 pm
Well since it seems that the gif creates so much unhappy campers, I took the liberty to change it :rolleyes:

I wanna see the gif now. Show me the gif, please daddy please!

As for those Haters, why you gotta Hate man? I'm just I'm just doing my thing IM JUST IM JUST DOING MY THING IM JUST DOING MY THINHGGINMGIONHIMKJJUSTDOINGMYKTHING

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fefAmn9lx-Q&feature=player_detailpage#t=29

AGI 4 LYF!
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Post by: Nakata on November 20, 2013, 06:42:07 pm
Hi, can some1 help me understand the wpf distribution.

Why when I put 18 agi and 6 weapon master and by putting all my wpf on 1 class(1h), i get 155 wpf for my alt.  If I do the same on my main, lvl 26 right now, I have 167 wpf (1h)?
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: Corsair831 on November 20, 2013, 07:08:30 pm
Quote from: Nakata on November 20, 2013, 06:42:07 pm
Hi, can some1 help me understand the wpf distribution.

Why when I put 18 agi and 6 weapon master and by putting all my wpf on 1 class(1h), i get 155 wpf for my alt.  If I do the same on my main, lvl 26 right now, I have 167 wpf (1h)?

It gives you free wpf for the wpf you have on your other characters

so it's really good to have some characters with 10+ WPF so you get more WPF on your main.
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on November 20, 2013, 07:20:23 pm
Quote from: Son Of Odin on November 20, 2013, 03:41:52 pm
Well since it seems that the gif creates so much unhappy campers, I took the liberty to change it :rolleyes:

Since I didn't see his original image, I'm unsure if I should + the new image you posted for him (since it's epic) or - for the offensive post that other people are offended by (which means I should be offended)...very confuzzled.
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: BlueKnight on November 20, 2013, 07:23:28 pm
There are so many builds to choose from that I don't know what to do. I will probably spend the rest of my c-rpg days playing a skip the fun char...
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: Corsair831 on November 20, 2013, 07:44:05 pm
Quote from: BlueKnight on November 20, 2013, 07:23:28 pm
There are so many builds to choose from that I don't know what to do. I will probably spend the rest of my c-rpg days playing a skip the fun char...

or respec your main into a dagger thrower and let fly :3
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: BlueKnight on November 20, 2013, 07:45:54 pm
Quote from: Corsair831 on November 20, 2013, 07:44:05 pm
or respec your main into a dagger thrower and let fly :3
:S
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: Bobthehero on November 20, 2013, 10:59:47 pm
Quote from: Son Of Odin on November 20, 2013, 03:41:52 pm
Well since it seems that the gif creates so much unhappy campers, I took the liberty to change it :rolleyes:

<3

All part of the plan, its also funny how everyone ignore the other post with the same gif :P

Edit: Oh Odin, you're so torough
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: Clockworkkiller on November 20, 2013, 11:07:01 pm
Corsair biggest STR crutcher 2013
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: Falka on November 21, 2013, 12:08:38 am
Quote from: Nakata on November 20, 2013, 06:42:07 pm
Hi, can some1 help me understand the wpf distribution.

Why when I put 18 agi and 6 weapon master and by putting all my wpf on 1 class(1h), i get 155 wpf for my alt.  If I do the same on my main, lvl 26 right now, I have 167 wpf (1h)?

Quote
Melee bonusRaising a melee proficiency (one/two handed, polearm) gives a bonus to the others.
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: Son Of Odin on November 21, 2013, 02:24:27 am
Quote from: Corsair831 on November 20, 2013, 06:24:06 pm
I wanna see the gif now. Show me the gif, please daddy please!

Quote from: CrazyCracka420 on November 20, 2013, 07:20:23 pm
Since I didn't see his original image, I'm unsure if I should + the new image you posted for him (since it's epic) or - for the offensive post that other people are offended by (which means I should be offended)...very confuzzled.

Well +1 it if you want, but I'm sure crpg PETA division will attack you since it was a gif of a girl throwing PUPPIES into river (pretty disgusting, no arguments there).

Goes without saying I like dogs more than cats, thus the earlier comment of mine which got minus'd as well :D.

I was just surprised by the magnitude of negativeness since a) that video is old as fuck, b) I thought most of us had seen it already and not shocked by it anymore.

Quote from: Bobthehero on November 20, 2013, 10:59:47 pm
<3

All part of the plan, its also funny how everyone ignore the other post with the same gif :P

Edit: Oh Odin, you're so torough

Oh yes I edited the other post as well while I was at it. Got so much reports for this one I didn't want to get another report flood for the other :lol:
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: darmaster on November 21, 2013, 02:46:17 am
i think this game lacks of cowbells
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: Novamere on November 21, 2013, 06:33:52 am
Quote from: san. on November 18, 2013, 07:34:20 pm
Weak  :twisted:

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I know we dont like each other but Congrats on about to be lvl 36!
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: Nakata on November 21, 2013, 06:55:53 am
Quote from: Corsair831 on November 20, 2013, 07:08:30 pm
It gives you free wpf for the wpf you have on your other characters

so it's really good to have some characters with 10+ WPF so you get more WPF on your main.

If I understand correctly. The more alt you have, the more wpf you get on your main? (it seems a little OP if a player have a lots of alt)

What do you mean by some character with 10 + wpf? like for every 10 wpf on your alt you get 1 wpf on your main?

Which means you can raise many alt to lvl 15 (lvl easy to get) and stack wpf on any class and get the wpf bonus on your main...? sounds stupid.
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: San on November 21, 2013, 07:08:24 am
Quote from: Novamere on November 21, 2013, 06:33:52 am
I know we dont like each other but Congrats on about to be lvl 36!

I like pretty much everyone.
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: Thomek on November 21, 2013, 07:11:01 am
Nakata, Corsair was joking.

All info you seek is here:  http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/wpp-sum-and-cost-formula-rework(includes-wm)/msg891170/#msg891170 (http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/wpp-sum-and-cost-formula-rework(includes-wm)/msg891170/#msg891170)

Tydeus is the one who came up with the new system.
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: Novamere on November 21, 2013, 07:22:08 am
Quote from: san. on November 21, 2013, 07:08:24 am
I like pretty much everyone.

then i guess i heard differant but that is good to hear
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: Nakata on November 21, 2013, 08:36:28 am
Quote from: Thomek on November 21, 2013, 07:11:01 am
Nakata, Corsair was joking.

All info you seek is here:  http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/wpp-sum-and-cost-formula-rework(includes-wm)/msg891170/#msg891170 (http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/wpp-sum-and-cost-formula-rework(includes-wm)/msg891170/#msg891170)

Tydeus is the one who came up with the new system.

uummm i read it 3 times and I still don't get it.

1.- My main character have 18 agi ; 6 WM ; I put all my weapon points on 1h (0 weapon points on the other class) and that gives me 166 wpf

2.- I made a skip the fun, I put 18 agi ; 6 WM ;  I put all my weapon points on any class for example on 2h(0 weapon points on the other class) and that gives me 155 wpf.
( I really want to show it to you but my screenshot button is broken)
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: //saxon on November 21, 2013, 08:50:12 am
Quote from: Corsair831 on November 20, 2013, 07:08:30 pm
It gives you free wpf for the wpf you have on your other characters

so it's really good to have some characters with 10+ WPF so you get more WPF on your main.
are you having me on here? that can't be right, can it?
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: Harald on November 21, 2013, 09:05:28 am
There is a bug (wpf from leveling up is still there) which will be fixed soon.
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: Nakata on November 21, 2013, 09:10:14 am
ok thank you. that makes sense now. :!:
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: kinngrimm on November 21, 2013, 09:16:31 am
Quote from: Tuetensuppe on November 18, 2013, 08:10:27 pm
well, great for kinngrimm and corsair...well done devs
indeed devs how dare you do something what could be good for me ... havent you forgotten the secret pact? chadz:"need to nerv kinngrimm", i was there when those words had been spoken  :lol: and so it happened again and again and again ...

and btw Suppenkasper
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, the patch didn't make much difference for me.
Only that i have 1 less shieldskill/ath. I died yesterday 2 times because my shield broke, i havent died that often of a broken shield in the past month before ^^. I don't see any changes to my averrage k/d, but yeah i got more outspammed by 2h agi builds now even with more WPF now on my own ... still getting more headshots then 9 months back.
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: Leshma on November 22, 2013, 02:39:45 am
Quote from: kinngrimm on November 21, 2013, 09:16:31 am
indeed devs how dare you do something what could be good for me ... havent you forgotten the secret pact? chadz:"need to nerv kinngrimm", i was there when those words had been spoken  :lol: and so it happened again and again and again ...

I might be mistaken here, but remember that you retired, then deleted your char (remember legendary kinngrimm on ladder) just like I did. We both came back after 7-8 months long pause from cRPG. I see you running around with same build and gear as before, while I'm leveling my char from scratch.

I might be dirty slavic dude from the basement who has no friends in this mod, eat rats for lunch and deserve no sympathy, and you're wealthy german businessmen with connections all around the place who must be respected and successful in this game. But at least admit they helped you out. I admit that first Meow, then Cooties retrieved my char. You won't see me talking shit about those people because they were nice to me.

Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: Dach on November 22, 2013, 09:16:22 am
Quote from: Harald on November 21, 2013, 09:05:28 am
There is a bug (wpf from leveling up is still there) which will be fixed soon.

Another free respec?! or a bunch of people just got screwed up!  :wink:
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: kinngrimm on November 22, 2013, 10:55:25 am
Quote from: Leshma on November 22, 2013, 02:39:45 am
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1) chadz really said that once, which was funny to all who read it at the time.
2) I am not convinced that slavic or german, rich or poor has anything to do with anything here.
3) When i first looked at Wolves Faction Hall thread after 8 months, i saw Tenne mentioning that it maybe possible to restore my char, so i asked and it was. I did thank those for that deed and at the same time i silently cursed.

The topic was about WPF and i stated i dont see much advantage 'for me' in terms of the WPF gain, but the not so much different build protects me less and as i was personally mentioned by a former clan member i took the liberty to adress him.

Sorry if you would feel treated unfairly, which i imply now, as i cant see any other reason for you attacking me here Leshma. I didn't expect even that it is possible to restore a/my char and was quite surprised. That the possibility to restore a character is not broadly advertised, is though hardly my fault nor that it was done in the end. Any special treatment i may have gotten, i guess was because i asked nicely.

I didn't mean any disrespect towards you Leshma or the dev team, but yeah against Tuete  a lttle :wink:
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: Paul on November 22, 2013, 11:05:36 am
There should be an outrage that players aren't allowed to delete their characters permanently.
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: Leshma on November 22, 2013, 12:09:30 pm
Quote from: kinngrimm on November 22, 2013, 10:55:25 am
Sorry if you would feel treated unfairly, which i imply now, as i cant see any other reason for you attacking me here Leshma. I didn't expect even that it is possible to restore a/my char and was quite surprised. That the possibility to restore a character is not broadly advertised, is though hardly my fault nor that it was done in the end. Any special treatment i may have gotten, i guess was because i asked nicely.

I got usual treatment which should be the norm, based on what chadz or cmp were saying since the beginning. I make my choices, I live with them. What bothers me is that devs decided to give you or anyone else special treatment because you asked nicely. That shouldn't happen, because it's like shitting on everyone else in this community who ever respecced, retired or deleted their character. It's not me being jelly of you getting your char back, I would never ask for such a thing. Reason why I wrote that is because I'm disappointed in chadz/cmp because they let that to happen.

Just to add something: Since we're nearing alpha stage of a certain game, I think that we should say a proper goodbye to this mod. I'm not sure are Tydeus or Paul willing or capable on their own to pull it off but making a sort of Xmass cRPG which with all game mechanic changes integrated would be awesome.

Yes, I'm talking about old leveling system and old retirement system (waiting one week with lvl 15) but with new wpf system and all new stuff (nudge, shield bash, turn rate nerf etc.) cRPG might not die when Melee alpha goes off but I have the feeling that most of us oldies will migrate to a new game. Of course, such massive change asks for full wipe. Don't think this would benefit me greatly, I'm going for level 34 atm...
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: Prpavi on November 22, 2013, 01:40:49 pm
I deleted my gen 11 char 2 years ago, took a long break, came back and started grinding from gen 1, never crossed my mind to ask anybody for a revive or anything.

@Lesh, this mod will be played untill next year this time atleast, you think alpha/beta of BG will be online nonstop for a year? we'll get periods of testing than beck to cRPG
Title: Re: That WPF. Lol.
Post by: bagge on November 22, 2013, 05:36:29 pm
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Went back to my old build. More wpf in archery and a little less in 1h tho. Pew pew

Got 1 skill point over. Havnt made up my mind yet if I'm gonna try and reach lv 36 and get 9 WM or just convert the attribute points to skill points and get 4 IF on 35.