I like the fact that the devs balanced the heirlooming a bit concerning horses and shields, but the heirloomed stats on crossbows + bolts are insane.
Here the stats of arbalest and steel bolts normal/MW.
Arbalest
missile speed: 60
weight: 3.8
accuracy: 96
difficulty: 15
speed rating: 18
missile speed: 60
max ammo: 1
thrust damage: 79 pierce
missile speed: 64 (+4)
weight: 3.8
accuracy: 99 (+3)
difficulty: 15
speed rating: 21 (+3)
missile speed: 64 (+4)
max ammo: 1
thrust damage: 87 pierce (+8?!?)
Steel Bolts
weapon length: 63
weight: 2.3
weapon length: 63
max ammo: 12
thrust damage: 8 pierce
slots: 1
weapon length: 63
weight: 2.3
weapon length: 63
max ammo: 13 (+1)
thrust damage: 13 pierce (+5)
slots: 1
So in the end you get a massive +13 damage and substantial increases in all the other stats as well, these increases are the same for every crossbow.
Is it just me or is this way over the top?
I agree everything got nerfed except crossbows its really smell like the dev use this sidearmits bullshit, people cry about throwing, oh throwing needs to be nerffed into the ground cuz its too easy to throw, they can 1shot you... they do like 60p+pt damg so they do like 97p...
Also look at my suggestion thread about makeing the regular xbow 2 slots before everyone will be using that instead of the sniper...
its bullshit, people cry about throwing, oh throwing needs to be nerffed into the ground cuz its too easy to throw, they can 1shot you... they do like 60p+pt damg so they do like 97p...
then they nerff throwing to shit and Buff the skill-less xbows.... now xbows can deal 100p, that shit can 1 shot you and it has better aim with 0wpf then throwing did at 100wpf :rolleyes:
1 thing i noticed so far in all the patches ect ect xbow users have a helping hand among the dev team... must be the only reason why they never nerf that shit weapon...... light xbow dose 68p, 1 slot....
ANd yes the 2 slot did help but its not enough
we need balance for xbows(not nerf but...) almost all archers will die with 1 shot, and ninjas and a lot of shielders and many others players.....
I agree with Trael. Crossbow heirloom bonuses might look like huge but crossbow damage doesn't increase from skills. For example bows gain damage from powerdraw and wpf. Bows bonuses from heirlooming will actually become bigger bonus than crossbow has. On top of that I think that wpf also increases arrow speed. Lower tier crossbows projectile speed seems to be like joke: 3x heirloomed light crossbow has missile speed 50 while unheirloomed strong bow has missile speed 51. What I think should be done is to nerf base damage of crossbows and make it so that wpf increases damage and projectile speed. Perhaps that way this endless sidearm whine would end.xbows cost any skill points? Bows need like 7pd to deal crazy damg like your xbow
100 damage who can survive that?????
100p final tier arbalest+steel bolt against a 60 body armor(vest+gauntlets) target, body hit at POINT BLANK, stationary target:
minimum damage: 34
average damage: 49
maximum damage: 68
hp of a level 30, 18 str, 4 IF guy: 61
Due increased air friction compared to Native these damages are lowered significantly at distance, especially against high armor.
Seems ok.
xbows cost any skill points? Bows need like 7pd to deal crazy damg like your xbow
do you even need wpf to use it at all? bows need like 100wpf+ to even get ok aim... your xbow has better aim at 0wpf then my long bow at 126wpf....
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its is op because anyone can pick it up and 1 shot people... Great range weapon for no trade off...
If you listen to yourselves calling for nerfs on the crossbow, you sound just like the other who call for nerf, with the exception of a few good arguments. The arbalest is indeed a good weapon. When masterworked the upkeep is nearly as much as a horse. Of course the damage means you can shoot stuff do a lot of damage. It is good for 1 shotting lightly armoured people coming towards you, or horses. But, when you reload you are vulnerable. And isn't the arbalest still less "accurate" than the other crossbows too?
Edit: in a one on one situation in the open, I would put money on level 31 dedicated archer beating a level 31 dedicated crossbowman of equal skill.
xbow is bullshit its amazing everything gets nerfed except that friggen no skiller weaponIt takes a different skill. Slower than the bow, you can't afford to spam higher tier crossbows (you can spam the light and hunting with wpf but hey who uses those? :wink:). Also, I doubt you've been playing as a crossbowman recently Tzar. Hitboxes seem to be quite different and this hasn't favoured ranged combat at all. I don't think the crossbow heirlooms should have been buffed. But I definitely don't think they should be nerfed. They do need dedication, or good risk assessment with no wpf.
Add speed bonus of people moving towards you = 1 shot.
xbow is bullshit its amazing everything gets nerfed except that friggen no skiller weapon
i played.... its how to say that..... 1 hit all around
i am able to hit archer from 100 meters and kill him.
So can I, although, he will have to be on 5% health. You seem to be equipped with some sort of mythic crossbow that embodies all the exaggerated assumptions of it's effectiveness.
am able to hit archer from 100 meters and kill him.
A non-heirloomed Arbalest with non-heirloomed steel bolts does an average of 48 damage to someone with 38 armor (i.e. lamellar vest+leather gloves, typical archer loadout). Use 6 heirlooms on the Arbalest+bolts, and that goes up to 58 dmg. A typical 8 PD archer build has 59 Hit Points at lvl 30, not even including Ironflesh.
6 heirlooms, and you still have less than a 50% chance to 1-shot an ARCHER with the slowest weapon in the game.
Crossbows are fine.
Agreed with the fact that heirlooming crossbows has more sense now than any other stuff.
A typical archer has 5-6 powerdraw (most common not the average) and most commonly use 4.5 weight armor not the 9.5 weight armor you describe, so yes should be 1-shotted 50% of the time or more.
Crossbows are fine though don't know why anyone wouldn't just triple heirloom normal xbow instead of sniper now.
I smell shite.
The other day I point blank hit someone in the upper chest who was wearing a Leather Jacket. 15 armour vs 89p. He lived.
The simplest solution to this is to remove the slot restrictions and instead restrict crossbow usage based on proficiency. For example, to pick up and use an arbalest, you would require at minimum 140. There goes your dreaded hybrids and your dedicated crossbowmen can be historically accurate crossbowmen again.
Crossbows don't have any PD or PS bonus, therefore they need a bigger base damage buff.ya buff the weapon that cost no skill points or wpf to use.... that seems fair :rolleyes:
ya buff the weapon that cost no skill points or wpf to use.... that seems fair :rolleyes:
i see xbowmen voice here now....
i am off
You all still don't understand... read my posts again and repost.
BALANC i want that for xbows!!!!!!!!
and nOO they are not balanced.
but in your opinion xbow always need buff...
dude look at weak throwers with max 8 axe in bag...
Only 15 str req... so yo can have 24 agi and 8 wm .... (aroun 180wpf)
it make xbow fast....
and holy shit i want balance it
1) more str req 18 (in my opinion)
2) skill for xbow with 2 slots (xbow is weapon of pesants but that best should have some better req)
and some thing els what can make you better faster ect(with xbow)
and less damange(100p is from tincan age)
in my opinion 95-90 on mw(arbalest)
bolts buff is fine.
and spee of reload should be based on str Xbow skill and req from xbow
and give back my 1 troll point XD
the + accuracy means NOTHING. all xbows are virtually same accuracy even at different modifiers. when will people learn this :/
but yeah I agree, they are op. s'why I hierloomed a arberlest. but I dont really enjoy playing it that much so I'm all for it being nerfed.
Arbalest needs 15 str, Longbow needs 18 str and 6 PD, yet with these stats longbow damage is lower, reload is only a wee bit faster (I might be off on that, correct me if I'm wrong).
Take away the fact that rain makes it lose about 15% of it's effectiveness and i'd agree.no... just no
Also, throwing is still very much viable. However, it definitely is a shell of it's former self, but only because throwing was so ridiculously good before that last patch.
no... just no
go shot your self for telling me that throwing is still viable....
I've got foot crossbower char for once. Standart build 15\24, 160 in xbow 85 in 2H. Nonheirloomed Sniper and Steel bolts. IMHO this build was too good to be balanced. Yes, I was an archer for 20 gens, so I know how to shoot people. But with 3,5-1 overall k\d with this char, all I can say - xbow bonuses from heirloom is too good to be true.
just keep gettin 1 shot by heirloomed sniper gays its fuckin disgusting why the feck wont they nerf that loom like they did with every1 else fuckin braindead....
Cose it needs some advantages..... do u know how slow this thing is???? and besides not everyone have 6 heirloms to spend into xbow.
I dont get u ppl, so what do u want?? xbow to deal healf HP dmg to light/medium poeple??? with its reload time?? in this case u can delete it at all.
To me it seems simple, sloow=high dmg, fast=lower dmg......
and the accuracy advantage is not that great cose as I said before u can not track the trajectory of ur bolt to make corrections to ur next shoot cose before u reload ur target will 95% move from its previous position.
FU its fast enough plus u only need 1 correct hit and the user u point and click on is history
Its utter bullshit saying it should be able to 1 hit people there is no way in hell u can justify it by any means..
Judging from your earlier posts, I wouldn't trust your opinions at all.
Judging from your earlier posts, I wouldn't trust your opinions at all.
No1 likes it when their shit gets nerfed so offcourse my earlier posts are useless in your ears...
Plz tell me how its fair everyone else gets their looms nerfed and the xbow gets to keep their god stats when loomed?? do tell
Crossbows don't have any PD or PS bonus, therefore they need a bigger base damage buff.
Plz tell me how its fair everyone else gets their looms nerfed and the xbow gets to keep their god stats when loomed?? do tell
Your arguments are total fail..
1st. this aint a medieval war simulator ninja´s and samurai's and men in dresses killed that image a long time ago...
2nd. While xbow dont gain extra dmg from wpf the fact that it deals massive peirce dmg more than makes up for it...
You all know the massive gain of stats it gets its just pure overkill and should have been nerfed with the rest of the line of heirlooms...
Anyways not gonna borther arguing with lobbyists wanting to keep their awp...
Your arguments are total fail..
1st. this aint a medieval war simulator ninja´s and samurai's and men in dresses killed that image a long time ago...
2nd. While xbow dont gain extra dmg from wpf the fact that it deals massive peirce dmg more than makes up for it...
3rd. it requires 0 wpf to be usefull i have played with the sniper xbow for ages so dont try and say that it does we all know its just a side arm for kdr whores....
4rd. You all know the massive gain of stats it gets its just pure overkill and should have been nerfed with the rest of the line of heirlooms...
Anyways not gonna borther arguing with lobbyists wanting to keep their awp...
and cose of that xbows must be nerfed to the ground so noone use them anymore? hows that argument for xbow nerf?
Confirmation Bias
So your argument is that if you cant 1 shot people with the heirloomed awp sniper xbow they wont use it anymore?? :lol:
And thus it shouldnt get a heirloom nerf like every other item in the game??
Sound alot like the throwing lance whine crowd.. :arrow:
Anyways like i said yesterday im not gonna borther fighten with people who´s sense of balance is utter fuckin trash....
lmao....
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Your arguments are total fail..
3rd. it requires 0 wpf to be usefull i have played with the sniper xbow for ages so dont try and say that it does we all know its just a side arm for kdr whores....
My arguments are fair. I knew that if I got an answer like this, explaining it to you would be a waste of time, because you can't look at it from other's point of view.One solution to all these 'omg xbow heirlooms' complaints would be to throw love to base crossbows and nerf the hell out of the heirlooms too, right? That way people wouldn't see such vast improvements over the triple heirloomed item and the base crossbow and thus probably won't come crying to the forums about it after their favorite weapon's heirlooms were just neutered.
3 Fucking slots with a reloadtime of half the round with 0 wpf. Sniper Xbow was a sidearm for many before the patches, it's not that anymore! You get killed by dedicated xbowers, and shouldn't they be able to kill you like any other class? No, according to yourself the crossbow should have a lot lower damage, as well as being ridiculously slow. I don't whine when I get one-hitted by GLA or GLB in medium armor. Why? I know it's not completely easymode, and being a crossbower is definitely not easymode.
Also, you want more speed and less damage on crossbows? Try native, and don't even dare say that it's more balanced. Crossbows are op on native, they're not on crpg.
One solution to all these 'omg xbow heirlooms' complaints would be to throw love to base crossbows and nerf the hell out of the heirlooms too, right? That way people wouldn't see such vast improvements over the triple heirloomed item and the base crossbow and thus probably won't come crying to the forums about it after their favorite weapon's heirlooms were just neutered.
The dedicated crossbowman is a viable build finally which is wonderful, they are well balanced against other forms of ranged. The only real issue is players who take one as a sidearm with little or no investment and shotgun with it.
I agree everything got nerfed except crossbows its really smell like the dev use this sidearm
But peasants, that wear I can say nothing, I should kill with 1 shot I think. About 80 % of shots doesnt kill. Peasants I kill about 70 % by 1 shot.
have about 85 hp and 78 body armor 1 loomed xbow took me down to 10 hp with 1 bolt... balanced my assHeadshot? Shot in the foot?
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Headshot??? are we playing the same game?? pretty sure no1 can survive that..
have about 85 hp and 78 body armor 1 loomed xbow took me down to 10 hp with 1 bolt... balanced my ass
With the pierce bow i get half hp down whilst hit in my triple loomed plate and gloves that got totally like 70body armor, but, on the contrary to the xbow, the bow can shoot me three times in the time it takes the xbower to reload, so yeah, its fine.
Missile speed is increased with powerdraw and it is a relative increase depended on the base projectile speed the bow provides.
Wich still puts heirloomed xbow with greater accuracy and speed rating, wich are one of the (if not "THE") two most important things for a ranged weapon.
Situational. Crossbows rock in sieges and some urban maps, while the higher rate of fire and maneuverability of the bowmen kicks arse in other types of maps (open fields, some urban etc.)
Also, bolts speed seems to drop a lot from medium range, making it deal quite a bit less damage. Nekkid people surviving shots from fully loomed Arbalest & Steel Bolts and such. Crossbows are awful in rain as well.
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Headshot??? are we playing the same game?? pretty sure no1 can survive that..
Situational. Crossbows rock in sieges and some urban maps, while the higher rate of fire and maneuverability of the bowmen kicks arse in other types of maps (open fields, some urban etc.)
Also, bolts speed seems to drop a lot from medium range, making it deal quite a bit less damage. Nekkid people surviving shots from fully loomed Arbalest & Steel Bolts and such. Crossbows are awful in rain as well.
But the heirloom stats of the xbow are, imo, overpowered. Especially the accuracy and speed rating.You can greatly increase the performance of bows with skills. Wpf for crossbows only increases the accuracy and slightly increases the reload speed.
A slight -1 speed rating of the current masterwork xbows would already be better, even if it doesn't change that much.
You can greatly increase the performance of bows with skills. Wpf for crossbows only increases the accuracy and slightly increases the reload speed.
And wpf don't "slightly" increase the reload speed. A MW Arbalest with 125 wpf is pretty fast to reload.
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