3/36 build, 0 PS, 197 WPF, 2 hitting most people
Its easy to avoid. No not when you are a tincan :D.....
then you just get killed....and cant do anything because you are to slow.... so delete the word "avoid" out of your language now because you don´t know what it really means.
Its easy to avoid , but i think the system shouldnt let someone get 36 agi..
Rondel daggers were ideal in battle for puncturing chain mail, and although they would not have been able to punch through plate armour, they could be forced between the joints in a suit of armour and helmets. This was often the only way in which a heavily-armoured knight could be killed.
Stop QQ cunts, If its so OP why don't you just respec, sell all your best weapons and start using it instead? :lol:
16-6 seems like a reasonable score for any weapon..? what's the big issue
Disregard how terrible it may seem, I've had quite some fun playing lately with those assassins running around crazy, gave me an extra need to keep watching my back, extra awareness, and randomizes a lot the outcome of a battle.
""""I have the looms, if i want them to nerf Rondel i guess the best way to ensure that happens is to loom one and brag on forums about how good it is. Guaranteed nerf. Far more effective than these '___ is OP' threads that people often ignore or get defensive on. So that's my aim, anyone who wants rondel to be nerfed i propose you go and spend your looms on getting +3 rondels, make a skip the fun 3/36 build and brag all over forums about how well you do and how the community are just 'mad cos bad' if they propose a nerf. We'll have this sucker doing 18 pierce by October!""""
Prob is when everybody is arguing like this. we have only trolls with daggers left. no more Knights. or samurais . or vikings. or durhzina. So maybe it would better to make a own mod. because i don´t like the jerk off child community what get happy when they can kill you. And you played like 2 years to get plate armour and make yourself knightly. Same with archers now every little retard can make now the same damage for bows. (like somebody who loomed his hole kit) don´t need to loom one. That people are getting angry should be naturally. but some people are really children with those things. And in TS we also have only children. but i worked hard for get all the looms. and they just think oh yeah fuck you simon. what not ok. on a scale like -200000 not ok.
When crpg dies it is only because of small little children what take over.
These daggerwhores are fun, i love 1 hitting them :D , but yes maybe the price+dmg+effectiveness combo is a bit too much, i say rise the price of rondel to 3-5k and its fine
yeah and it get boring for you because of the fact that you could´t keep up with other people.
i can 2 hit almost every horse even a plated charger.
I don´t realy see how Rondel Dagger is even close to OP , it has a nice pierce damage but that´s all it´s short and 1 directional and you can´t block with it. How hard is it to downblock the damn thing.
Just to let you know, i did not use a shield and plus blocking is not needed with this weapon when you can run in stab the guy in the face and run out in a matter of milli seconds.
I dont think people get the point here either, the Rondel dagger would be fine if i used it in conjunction with at least 4 PS and i 2-3 hit people, but i dont u
i use 0 PS and i can do this.
PIm not saying that i am amazing with it like some people have suggested, i just find it ridiculous when i have the damage out put as someone with 7 PS with 0 PS.
Maybe i titled it wrong
Instead let's focus on the real issue here: Fucking 1h stabs, they are broken.Nou! Since the change they no longer are!
First of all 17/7 is not an OP score, for a player like Strudog it's probably below average. I don't see how that is in any way gamebreaking. Sure the weapon is cheap, but so is the quarterstaff, maul and plenty of other cheap weapons that can be used to obtain top 5 scores. The build will still be oneshot by anything and his mother and I don't believe the two shotting everyone argument at all. I love gimmicky builds that are viable and I like that we have another one.
Instead let's focus on the real issue here: Fucking 1h stabs, they are broken.
How hard is it to downblock the damn thing.
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Instead let's focus on the real issue here: Fucking 1h stabs, they are broken.
Like the polearm stabs.True, much like the 2h stabs.
BTW: Simon, what's your thing about penis sizes?
Its easy to avoid. No not when you are a tincan :D.....
then you just get killed....and cant do anything because you are to slow.... so delete the word "avoid" out of your language now because you don´t know what it really means.
"""First of all 17/7 is not an OP score, for a player like Strudog it's probably below average. I don't see how that is in any way gamebreaking. Sure the weapon is cheap, but so is the quarterstaff, maul and plenty of other cheap weapons that can be used to obtain top 5 scores. The build will still be oneshot by anything and his mother and I don't believe the two shotting everyone argument at all. I love gimmicky builds that are viable and I like that we have another one.
Instead let's focus on the real issue here: Fucking 1h stabs, they are broken.""""
You really are not getting it dont you theets. this shit is OP you can take out the finenst players only with an dagger so this sounds not weak-minded for you. Sometimes i really wonder man. i didnt hear one good argument yet why it should stay in the game. Yeah variation is cool but not when you can kill almost everything with that weapon.
lets get honest... we have to stop this gay relationship between you and me....this is not working out. because i am not gay. sorry for the hard feeling now. but you will find someone. :lol:You're waaaaaaay to in denial for me, sorry boy
lets get honest... we have to stop this gay relationship between you and me....this is not working out. because i am not gay. sorry for the hard feeling now. but you will find someone. :lol:
I dont see a problem here. You didnt tell us how you got those kills and I assume you just stabbed people in the back of the head who were occupied with someone else. If so, ANY weapon can generate those stats. You make it sound like the rondel triumphs over greatswords, poleaxes and other top tier weapons, which I can easily prove to you is not the case with a 1 on 1 on EU3.
Let me quote myself:
You still didnt tell us. You opened this thread because of the KD of 17 - 7 you achieved with this dagger. You admit yourself that you get oneshotted by pretty much anything and also you cant block and cant outreach people. Anyone who knows what he is doing will use a combo of holds and feints combined with backpeddal jumping to hit you before you are even in reach. Dont even get me started on ranged.
This leaves us with 2 options:
1. you killed unaware people from behind or people who didnt know what they were doing. - awareness/l2p issue
2. you killed people who got ganked and couldnt defend themselves. - any weapon is good in such a situation.
Of course I understand your point, being that a 0 ps weapon should not deal so much damage but it seems you are trying to hide the fact that your build/weapon comes at the expense of reach, blocking and survivability. In the last days I got attacked from plenty of those agi daggers and barely lost any of those fights, even though I am an archer with low armer and low speed. When I got killed it was tony most of the time who sneaked up from behind but that is a problem with my awareness, not with the rondel.
Edit: Oh and I dont quite buy the 2 shotting in plate, not with full HP. Not with 0 ps.
First of all you do not know how i played, it was on one of the smaller town maps thats has a very open areas, most of the time i found myself in 1v1 situations against 2h's, shielder the lot, and against some quite good players who know how to block. and have you tried this class?
You say the survivability the reach and blocking are all a fail with the build, please try the build first, all of these are not needed when you can run in and out before the guy can react and swing his weapon, its OP, its not meant to be a main weapon and its deals fuck loads of damage for what its meant to be used for
XyNox, i don't think "how you played" is very much important in this cases.I once managed to get a 30-2 score with scythe which is also damn cheap. It counts as an example according to this thread. SCYTHE OP NERF
The sole fact that you can rack up kills that easily with a 600 gold weapon is just wrong.
Very high athletics, means people don't bother chasing you, means you can easily attack people already engaged in melee, etc...
But what's incredible is the high damage output of such a weapon, if you needed 5 PS to be effective with it, no problem. But atm : BIG problem.
In battles, this weapon is just too good for it's price. Since you don't have an opponent, and can pick off your future victims. Ofc, in a duel against a good reach weapon, it's very hard. But that's not how battle works.
And XyNox, glaive has an OP reach... that's some bullshit duel you're proposing...
Also we should nerf Strawhats since those Guard-Archers kill many ppl while having them equipped.But strawhats aren't weapons.
Every weapon is OP when the user knows how to use em.
Stop crying.
But strawhats aren't weapons.
damn it zlisch. stop lying!I challenge you to a duel on NA_3
Rondel dagger isnt a weapon either. Its the dude thats using it i'd call a weapon. now shut up. or ban.
I challenge you to a duel on NA_3
Or let's all get 100 pierce lightsabers, i'm sure the skilled players will still get better K/Ds, in which case the lightsabers wouldn't be OP right?
It's a powerful weapon.
You know this is where it all fails right? A dagger isn't supposed to be powerful.Says who?
You know this is where it all fails right? A dagger isn't supposed to be powerful.I can kill you dead with a dagger or a sword, or even a fork, when you wear no armor and don't block.
A solution could be to remove the secondary mode, which allows 4-directional attacks. They are fast and as efficient as the stab attack. I mean to think that a dagger swing could deal any noticeable damage on medium or heavy armor is crazy. While I still don't even approve of its almighty stab (because that would only work on a fallen enemy by aiming directly for open body areas), this could be an alright solution.
If it is truly OP, then more people will start using it, and then more people will get used to going up against it, and people will adapt their playstyles and stop underestimating it.
I don't think its very OP in its own right.
My god...
Yes Son?
It's a powerful weapon, but it has lots of downsides and people who use it are just as easy to kill as they are able to kill others.
I think most of the reason people have such success with this weapon is that their opponents are not used to its speed and attack methods (quick dart in and out, or rapid succession of crazy stabs) and they are caught off guard.
If it is truly OP, then more people will start using it, and then more people will get used to going up against it, and people will adapt their playstyles and stop underestimating it.
I don't think its very OP in its own right.
Ok Tojo, have a read at that and save yourself the trouble of babbling about "I could do this and that".
Because of the idea of some fool using a rondel in actual melee combat, not just to finish off someone you're grappling with or who is lying on the ground. Because shield skill is based off agility so this 'peasant' is wearing a sock, but has a steel shield strapped to his left arm...
Justify the 4 directional pierce attack, fine, just give it to every other thrusting 1handed weapon then. Why not, i'm sure you can use them in the backhand just as well. There can't be one rule for the rondel, and one for everyone else, if we involve the possibility of different grips and 4 directions of pierce with 1 onehander, then it opens the question of why the others don't get it far more than if they just left it alone to begin with.
If we actually based the weapon attack directions off what you could do with them in real life then all 2directional polearms would have 4 directions, cos why not? I bet they could all be swung in combat situations. Also since we're on realism why do shields take agility to pick up when armour and weapons need strength? Why don't greatswords have crushthrough, or knockdown against foes who survive the swing, especially those in plate? Or maybe we could add a skill that allowed people to gain the extra attack directions and knockdown with all weapons... hmmm... that'd require a lot of strength in real life... let's base it off... agility! Game fixed.
if you take away my crappy toy I'm gonna be mad
welcomeIt's late grumpy. Wat are you even doing on crpg forum at this time!?
Rondel is OP compared to other daggers and probably shouldn't be used with shield since you can't normally block with it. Stats-wise, the Scottish sword looks more appealing.
It's late grumpy. Wat are you even doing on crpg forum at this time!?
ye I know... :cry:Well, I wish her quick recovery then.
my gf is in hospital this weekend so I stayed up pretty long