You were doing just fine. Skilled guys were raping melee.
I was playing today on my alt which has 43 body armor 38 str and 12 IF and I was shocked as a bolt to my arm took more than 3/4 of my hp; and earlier than that in a previous round a bolt took more than half my hp.
I mean wtf? seriously? Are you deliberately trying to ruin your own mod?
This could be a game breaker for me after almost 3 years of crpg...
archery has been nerfed like 2 years and now first buff came out :D we deserve this buff!This is a great day robin, we now even have more arrows so we can kite!
This is a great day robin, we now even have more arrows so we can kite!
MORRRRRROOOOOOOOOO
You know, I will never understand how someone in a game which is so much focused on melee fighting can decide to go ranged, but I have to admit that without ranged things would be much more boring, the battles would lack depth, and I also have to admit that the poor ranged players had been nerfed to shit.
I just want to point your attention to your own words. You said a single bolt took more than half or even more than 3/4 of your life. So actually you are saying that in a multiplayer game a weapon which fires a single shot every few seconds wounded you severely, needing probably two shots in a row to finish you off.
This actually seems right to me. I mean, you can't expect that crossbower needing three, four, five or even more bolts to kill yo, which would take more than half a minute if he does everything right and you do everything wrong.
I repeat myself yet another time, but the lack of a proper goal in battle mode ("Kill everyone and his mother" is not a proper goal) causes those problems you are having with ranged. And those problems have very, very little to do with how fast, how precise or with how much damage ranged shoots.
On the other hand you have to keep in mind that ranged are important for the gameplay and that you should keep them motivated, at least a bit. Having to shoot a single person five times with a crossbow to kill him can't be fun at all.
I am neither lobbying for or against ranged buffs. I just want the community to try to stay neutral, objective and also to put themselves into the point of view of their opponents.
I just played on EU1 and, as after every patch, people rage for their lifes. Its funny to read "OMG MW LONGBOW MW BODKINS DOES SO MUCH DAMAGE NOW WTFBBQ GOOD JOKE DEVS" when it has exactly the same damage values as pre patch :rolleyes:
The one thing I am REALLLY looking forward to with the range buff is that this mindless hold-W-spam-charge-gank finally gets to an end. Now that you dont need 10 gens of archery experience and a high level character with fully loomed equipment in order to be a considerable threat as an archer, melees have no choice left but to adapt and invent actual strategies, as in TEAMPLAY to win the round. No more 2h/pole hero gankblobs that could rapetrain their way through maps without giving a fuck about the average enemy rangedplayer. Who knows, maybe players will even consider COOPERATING now in form of cavcharges or shieldformations to counter the enemy ranged formations and protect their allies. Hmmm, makes me feel warm inside.
Whether its too much of a buff, hard to tell right now. It might be wise to wait until the initial rage wave is over before drawing conclsion.
Woah guys calm down, I was merely daydreaming. We all know that melees will not tolerate having to adapt in any way. Obviously the next step is to lobby the shit out of the forum until devs revert the ranged buff, right ? :wink:
Literally the only masterwork xbow/bow items that got a damage buff are the low tier bows (which got an overhaul in general) and some of the cut damage arrows. All the masterworks we're used to (MW crossbow, MW arbalest, MW heavy xbow, MW horn bow, MW rus bow, MW longbow, MW bodkin arrows, MW steel bolts) have no change to their base damage.Preposterous! Get this logic out of here!
I can't wait to see how many more people start whining about how ranged damage got buffed when it actually didn't.
We should retire our guys, sell looms and make a big QQ thread were we promise to leave the game and never come back? Where have I seen that before..
shut your whore mouth ranged my old friend
Well, looks like you've gone full retard again (and I'm not referring just to this post, but also your attitude lately). Unfortunately, given your history, it's not something you can do.
Good luck with your next account, maybe it will finally be the one.
Well, looks like you've gone full retard again (and I'm not referring just to this post, but also your attitude lately). Unfortunately, given your history, it's not something you can do.
Good luck with your next account, maybe it will finally be the one.
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I mean, it's Panos, if you read his name backwards it says "I just went full retard", what can you expect from him?
Woah guys calm down, I was merely daydreaming. We all know that melees will not tolerate having to adapt in any way. Obviously the next step is to lobby the shit out of the forum until devs revert the ranged buff, right ? :wink:You gotta tell me, whats ur idea of "adapt", cause I see 2 options: one is all melee go shielder and polearm and 2h be extinct which is not what ppl want even if u dream of that, the other is sacrifice all mobility and speed and put to flesh to be more survivable like I did (0 ath, all points to flesh) which still gets 2 shotted by xbow, body shots, no headshot. So what the fuck is on your mind, please share it with us.
This would be funny. Althou I bet its gonna be hard for him. He would go into swearmode kinda like Tourettes here:(click to show/hide)
I appreciate your administrative measures cmp but if I may interject, I did not take any offence by him and there is no demand for punishing Panos on my behalf. I took it merely as a joke.
Probably the most decent and gentleman-like person on this forum.
From now on, you will get a free + for every post.
Arbalest people are 1 shotting left and right. Seriously op now
Hey nudge for all with timer is great!
Good to see we can learn from nintendo combat games. Dont worry if move makes sense if is too powerful put a nonsensical timer on limit rather than actually making it vaguely balanced.
When will we add:
9 foot long greatswords with 2 foot wide blades
Spiky armour
Hit x then x then x then g and h together for spinning death move.
Lets also add magic, fireballs would be great. But lets put a timer on it for cooldown of powers so it works as well as nudge.
Arbalest people are 1 shotting left and right. Seriously op now
6% dude, 6 percent. Didnt experience many oneshots today, it just semms like I oneshot archers more often, which is great.
archery has been nerfed like 2 years and now first buff came out :D we deserve this buff!
why u deserve it? as already u oneshoot me in full plate..
What the hell is a silver btw?
Quick question, does this mean that HX were, in fact, buffed?Not at all.
Just coming in here to remind you that these guys work for free, and if we want to see any further changes in the future, we have to keep them motivated. Being putting too much spice on your comments won't serve any purpose..
I think calm, reasonable people have a much greater chance of reaching through to the devs than shouting kids..
*Although I think a decrypted, clear information about the intention and consequences of the changes might put out some flames..
You gotta tell me, whats ur idea of "adapt", cause I see 2 options: one is all melee go shielder and polearm and 2h be extinct which is not what ppl want even if u dream of that, the other is sacrifice all mobility and speed and put to flesh to be more survivable like I did (0 ath, all points to flesh) which still gets 2 shotted by xbow, body shots, no headshot. So what the fuck is on your mind, please share it with us.Try dodging.
They might do it for free, but there have been plenty of guys that put themselves forward for item balancing who also would do it for free. If we had a proper group of regular players that represented different parts of the playerbase we probably wouldn't have had all these ranged buffs.
Yes, definitely. What did you have in mind? 3 balancers from the two handers playerbase and 2 from polearms?
Lol. Actually don't mind if the players are regular in battle, understand battle gameplay, play at a decent level and aren't too biased.Glad to see I fit all of the important criteria and still was the one to suggest the ranged changes(Shik suggested the 0slot throwing stuff months ago, and admittedly was the one who said we should probably address the problem now). Melee is easily my favorite part of this game, it's the most fulfilling. Yet somehow, even with me enjoying my melee 2h/polearm hero characters the most, I still made the suggestions for the majority of the ranged changes(really, most of the ranged weapons got a side-grade, the ones that were legitimate buffs, were absolutely needed). Is it more damage? Only on the 2 worst bows in the game. Is archery overall more accurate with faster projectiles? Yes, still not even close to the projectile speed or accuracy that most crossbows have though.
The way I see it M&B is a melee centric game. The ranged is almost tacked on with the depth is has. Balance around the strengths of the gameplay or at least have decent representation from a melee/cav perspective
Yes, definitely. What did you have in mind? 3 balancers from the two handers playerbase and 2 from polearms?
Glad to see I fit all of the important criteria and still was the one to suggest the ranged changes(Shik suggested the 0slot throwing stuff months ago, and admittedly was the one who said we should probably address the problem now). Melee is easily my favorite part of this game, it's the most fulfilling. Yet somehow, even with me enjoying my melee 2h/polearm hero characters the most, I still made the suggestions for the majority of the ranged changes(really, most of the ranged weapons got a side-grade, the ones that were legitimate buffs, were absolutely needed). Is it more damage? Only on the 2 worst bows in the game. Is archery overall more accurate with faster projectiles? Yes, still not even close to the projectile speed or accuracy that most crossbows have though.
I call this not being biased, dunno about you though.
How about all the balacing team agreeing to changes.
That was the idea? 4 votes or it doesn't get implemented/changed right?
5 man team where every member has a veto.
Glad to see I fit all of the important criteria and still was the one to suggest the ranged changes(Shik suggested the 0slot throwing stuff months ago, and admittedly was the one who said we should probably address the problem now). Melee is easily my favorite part of this game, it's the most fulfilling. Yet somehow, even with me enjoying my melee 2h/polearm hero characters the most, I still made the suggestions for the majority of the ranged changes(really, most of the ranged weapons got a side-grade, the ones that were legitimate buffs, were absolutely needed). Is it more damage? Only on the 2 worst bows in the game. Is archery overall more accurate with faster projectiles? Yes, still not even close to the projectile speed or accuracy that most crossbows have though.
I call this not being biased, dunno about you though.
No, it was 3/4. Now there are just 3 balancers, so it's 2/3.
Take all the most outspoken and raging lobbyists and put them on an item balance commitee. I doubt they'll accomplish anything but at least it'll contain/divert the butthurt.
When you're submitting changes to someone who is openly criticising melee players at seemingly every opportunity and talks about how he wants to buff ranged then theres a conflict of interest straight away, especially if you're having to come up with the changes yourself. I just think there needs to be a group with as little biases as possible who aren't influenced by anyone on a war path against melee players.
When you're submitting changes to someone who is openly criticising melee players at seemingly every opportunity and talks about how he wants to buff ranged then theres a conflict of interest straight away, especially if you're having to come up with the changes yourself.Who exactly is it that I'm submitting ranged buffs to that is "openly criticising melee players at seemingly every opporunity?" Certainly not shik, he was removed before this was proposed. It's not as if I stick to one thing in crpg, I constantly play different builds where several of those consist of different types of ranged weapons, both hybrid and dedicated(except for dedicated throwers, they're shit and don't deserve buffs). 8-)
I just think there needs to be a group with as little biases as possible who aren't influenced by anyone on a war path against melee players.War path against ranged players is surely fine though, I agree. :rolleyes:
This was a huge buff for ranged btw, don't kid. Way cheaper, more ammo, easier shots, lower PD required for the damage (more agi kiting), cut buff and the biggest one, no need to specialise into the class so any random joe can do the sort of damage reserved for certain individuals that spent millions of gold on looms. So the average damage from the average archer will be a lot higher with not needing loomsCheaper in that you can actually expect to not be utterly useless without looms now. Cheaper in that the lowest tier bows might not be complete dog trash. Arrows and highest tier bows are the same price, Steel Bolts actually doubled in price, so it's definitely not cheaper for crossbowmen. Lower PD req for the lowest tier composite bows. It may very well be that the average archer's damage has been increased, but it's not going to be by much, as most players already had looms. It's not a huge buff for ranged, it's a huge buff for shitty bows that weren't used at all.
You know, it's probably the exact opposite: you are so strongly biased towards one playstyle that you see "enemies" everywhere. There is no balancer "on a war path against melee players", that's just your imagination.
I'm not going digging out quotes, but I think it would be quite apparent who i'm talking about. Its pretty obvious if you spend time reading here, favourite terms being melee lobyists/retards.
Screwing over the gameplay for everyone except ranged gets old
(except for dedicated throwers, they're shit and don't deserve buffs).
Yes, where are the good old days where every patch would screw over the gameplay for nobody except ranged?! What happened to the master plan of nerfing ranged into the ground by adding some small nerf every patch? The dev team has changed, they're no longer the people I thought they were...
If you really think ranged (especially archers) didn't deserve this rather small buff you're just an elitist melee jerk.
Omg, biased item balancer! Injustice! Buff throwers 2013!
Grumbs, Don't waste your breath mate.he is
When you object here that some class is op, they read "buff my own class"...
Grumbs, Don't waste your breath mate.
When you object here that some class is op, they read "buff my own class"...
They didn't really think out shoot speed buffs of lower end bows - it seems they were trying to buff agility archers like 12-24 builds by compensating for the lower power draws being lower shoot speed by increasing base shoot speed of the bows they use. However, in actual impact what you are doing is making builds of 18-21, 21-18, 24-15 even more OP because they can use those bows with exactly 4 more powerdraw than the bow requirement and will actually do more damage than a long bow at mid to long ranges and even more so in rain. Shoot speed has a significant impact on damage the longer the range and in rain. So basically you are making the fastest draw speed bows also do the most damage in large strategus battles (sieges most notably) where long range shots are common. With the buffs to accuracy and shoot speed the low tier bows allow easy across the map shots with significant damage.Go run some tests and record shit to prove there are bugs. Otherwise, no, a nomad/tatar won't be doing close to what a rus/longbow do in damage.
As an item balance its not very well conceived and as a realism its even more silly that nomad bow does more shoot speed than a long bow. But this needs to be re-looked at for item and game balance purposes.
He said that ranged has always been on the OP side, even after the bigger nerfs. I don't really read anything, I just see him making a fool out of himself.
To me slow projectiles but accurate hits would be better, so you have to lead the shot more or aim higher than the target
Increasing shot speed and decreasing accuracy is the complete opposite of my skill based ranged doctrine. With high projectile speed and wide spread it really becomes point&click with the randomisation actually helping those who can't even do that correctly. Then the melee blockheads would be actually right with their "ranged takes no skill" retarding. With high accu and low shot speed it puts at least those in advantage who can anticipate the enemy movement and get the ballistic arc right. I'd actually increase accuracy across the board for all ranged(with HX getting HA penalty) but that would make them lobbyist cry.
I just think you're going about balancing the wrong way with ranged. Make it expensive and try to increase the skill needed to land shots. So make it something people dedicate some gold to and make it something hard to play. To me slow projectiles but accurate hits would be better, so you have to lead the shot more or aim higher than the target. The "under utilised bows" weren't used so much because Longbow and Rus bow did the job, having similar bows that require far less PD will lead to more kiting which was apparently something that was attempted to balance before. Risk vs reward that results in high reward for low risk via kiting and dealing damage without putting yourself at much risk is the wrong way to go about it imo.
I found archer with no looms a non starter and gave up by lvl 25 after sticking 10 no effect arrows in someone who wasnt even in plate.
Got more kills with a little hammer as an archer than with the bow.
In essence if this patch has made entry level to archer easier because if so I think thats a good move.
it's Panos, if you read his name backwards it says "I just went full retard", what can you expect from him?