Urist: - added reference to tydeus nude brf
Great patch, hate to be complaining but can you update the item changes onto the site asap? :P
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| [0] Bow | old | new |
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| gold | 2155 | 5188 |
| difficulty | 2 | 4 |
| weight | 2 | 3.5 |
| missile speed | 37 | 41 |
| accuracy | 96 | 100 |
| speed rating | 72 | 58 |
| thrust damage | 20 cut | 30 cut |
| slots | 1 | 2 |
| perks | | Can't use on horseback |
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I really like the new strat stuff, unfortunately those of us with low res monitors cant's see the whole map/info/whatever screen through the main site window. It would be nice to either leave the old site up, or make the resolution of that in-site strat window adjustable.The old site will be kept until all pages are integrated into the main website.
The old site will be kept until all pages are integrated into the main website.
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| [3] Masterwork Bolts | old | new |
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| max ammo | 16 | 17 |
| thrust damage | 5 pierce | 3 pierce |
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Are you guys serious? Bolts were so OP, you had to nerf them?
You should add them some damage instead, as they are pretty much useless atm!
xbows got damage buff thoYeah, but they nerfed regular Bolts, and kept Steel Bolts unchanged (except for value). So regular Bolts are now even worse than they were before patch.
why i have a tiny pile of silver in addition to my huge pile of gold?
Thanks for buffing archery I guess? I'll prolly play as one now. Can you buff 1h someday? I think having shit reach and generally less str/ps due to skill reqs of shielding and other things 1h's put points into is already a pretty big trade off compared to 2h... so maybe 1h damage should be pretty close to 2h?
Will all the Add-Ons people designed for Strategus work on the Integrated Strat on crpg.net work aswell?No, they would have to be adapted (unless you meant the embedded original pages, then yes). But we will add their features where possible.
Strat characters are heroes now and you can change them. Give the command on the page and it takes 7 days to change it. There's no limit doing this?No.
Strat characters are heroes now and you can change them. Give the command on the page and it takes 7 days to change it. There's no limit doing this?
No, they would have to be adapted (unless you meant the embedded original pages, then yes). But we will add their features where possible.Awesome :)
This with strat heroes is so hard to understand :(
So if i change it today and choose my hero to be Jony, tommorow i can choose it to be Jory? And then again change? This wont fuck my strat movements?
hang on a sec: am i the only one who think this isn't a good patch?
hang on a sec: am i the only one who think this isn't a good patch?
This with strat heroes is so hard to understand :(Making another character your hero will take 7 days. Meanwhile you can just continue doing strategus stuff. After 7 days the new character will replace the current one and from then on leads your party and takes over any open mercenary jobs, faction positions and fief ownerships.
So if i change it today and choose my hero to be Jony, tommorow i can choose it to be Jory? And then again change? This wont fuck my strat movements?
The way people think here people are happy simply to get a patch regardless of the contents
Test now, complain later.
I spent 3 gens to loom a longbow that is useless now ... Veterans archers were fucked . Rus bow and long bow users will QQ
Test now, complain later.
Why not both? Anyway what happened to having a group of item balancers rather than 1 dev who hardly plays and has an obvious bias judging from his post history?
Dude, I`m with you, I believe that Paul is the most useless, dev, he changed the polearm animations, and yet he didnt touch the lolstab.
But, I really need to spend some time in game before I start pointing fingers.
hang on a sec: am i the only one who think this isn't a good patch?That is my fault, should be 28 damage, not 30, needs 1 less accuracy as well.
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Dude, I`m with you, I believe that Paul is the most useless, dev, he changed the polearm animations, and yet he didnt touch the lolstab.You should also learn who to point fingers at.
But, I really need to spend some time in game before I start pointing fingers.
I don't quite get this.
Light and normal lance has more damage than heavy glance. Heavy glance is longer. Is this WAD or is the low damage of the heavy Glance a mistake?
I don't quite get this.
Light and normal lance has more damage than heavy lance. Heavy lance is longer. Is this WAD or is the low damage of the heavy Lance a mistake?
I didn't change anything. I just uploaded stuff. Tydeus BUFFED the polearm left-to-right swing with removing some frames from the beginning of the anim. But keep complaining. The retardation is staggering.
I don't quite get this.
Light and normal lance has more damage than heavy lance. Heavy lance is longer. Is this WAD or is the low damage of the heavy Lance a mistake?
it might be intentional
You haven't even seen what effect it will have on the long term and you send a shitstorm to the devs already... Respect for the devs putting up with this crap and yet be motivated to work on the mod :wink:
That is my fault, should be 28 damage, not 30, needs 1 less accuracy as well.
You should also learn who to point fingers at.
I didn't change anything. I just uploaded stuff. Tydeus BUFFED the polearm left-to-right swing with removing some frames from the beginning of the anim. But keep complaining. The retardation is staggering.
Yeah, cause you totally don't have to facehug with pretty much every single other nudge... at all...(click to show/hide)
Yeah, cause you totally don't have to facehug with pretty much every single other nudge... at all...
Besides the bow (which is clearly an accident that'll probably get fixed in some hotfix) there is really one thing that is extremely fucked up and shitty about this patch, no new maps added/old ones updated, seriously? You've had several months to either get a replacement for you or do the map managing...
Theres that one thing I don't understand, or just a bug, whatever:
Hornbow+0 : Old: 24 New: 26
Shouldnt it do 28 on +3 now? Ingame it shows 26.
Are you really that stupid??
You compare a 142 lenght weapon with a 70 one??
Are you really that stupid??Are you really so stupid that you think the length would play any difference in how far someone could hit with that kind of animation realistically? I also don't see you crying about 0 reach stones in melee being able to nudge just as far as 105 length arab cav swords...
You compare a 142 lenght weapon with a 70 one??
Are you really that stupid??
You compare a 142 lenght weapon with a 70 one??
More length would make the 2h and pole nudge insanely OP?And seeing how the animations look it'd make 0 sense whatsoever from a "Panos crying about ghostreach" viewpoint.
Buffed non-loomed archery and only make looms increase arrow count, draw speed, accuracy and missile speed. Didn't notice first time I read through the changes. Awesome job, balancers! Finally, you don't desperately need looms to do well as ranged player. :D
Buffed non-loomed archery and only make looms increase arrow count, draw speed, accuracy and missile speed. Didn't notice first time I read through the changes. Awesome job, balancers! Finally, you don't desperately need looms to do well as ranged player. :D
Overall Im happy with this patch except for one thing:
How can a regular bow do more damage then a Yumi?
Also how does the defensive nudge system work?
Any way to help guys who spent 3 gens for a bow ?
Any way to help guys who spent 3 gens for a bow ?
p.s. buffin HX? i'm starting to think/hope this is a troll patch.
Urist: - added HA skill malus to xbow and removed it from throwing
My observations after skimming through the changelog:
- Archery is now cheaper, easier, and more rewarding.
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- 1h went from being slight buffed to the fucking misery it was before.
- 2h adds nudge to the abooze list. Now they can break havoc using the combination of lolstab and nudge.
- More ammo to archers, more kiting, less fun for melee players.
- No new armors added to the patch
buffin HX
now almost everyone has a crossbow :D
Dafuq you talking about? Didn't get worse... You say archery got easier, that always brings a buff to shielders since they will survive much better then 2h-pole vs ranged...
Don't be hypocritical. It is a buff for archers, not a buff for shielders. I'm sorry to tell you, that claim is plain retarded.
Trust me, the more archers there are on the field, the better shielders do compared to non-shield melee.
On top of that there is no nerf to shielders at all in this patch. 2h and pole just got an alternative to kicking, not better or worse, just different.
Not sure about you, but i'm still in easymode valourfarming with my shielder, nothing changed there.
Hey, Hoboe, not everyone is a shielder you know.
Why is that relevant? I was explaining how his "shielders are nerfed in this patch" statement is invalid.
oh and for some saying that shield didn't get nerfed or buffed, they got shield bash so that's kind of a buff.
But since everybody can nudge now i don't really see that as a buff per se.
in order to do a shieldbash, the only thing u have to do is simple hold the right click to block, and Press V, no harm at all, but as a polearmer you have to downblock in order to shove, meaning that the enemy can hit you in 3 different directions.
for the players saying there is no damage buff for loomed bows, well there is.
they increased missile speed on bows and speed bonus = damage, might not be allot of damage but it still is increased.
i don't mind this buff for the shooters but my only concern is why?
why and what reasons for this buff to be necessary?
oh and for some saying that shield didn't get nerfed or buffed, they got shield bash so that's kind of a buff.
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Archer master race. Now they just need nudge and the possibility to use bows as polearms in secondary mode.
so arrow looms are useless then?
for the players saying there is no damage buff for loomed bows, well there is.That's not how it works.
they increased missile speed on bows and speed bonus = damage, might not be allot of damage but it still is increased.
Urist: - added HA skill malus to xbow and removed it from throwing
So yes they are useless and have just become the worst item to loom in the game
The loom points add no value to the arrows because you rarely run out of arrows as it is. Not to mention having an extra 3 arrows on a stack of mw bodkins isnt going to do shit for you.
Can someone explain what that means? Did HX previously have no HA skill malus?
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wtf is silver? :?:
Buff Military Hammer,and nerf all stabby swords with crappy cut. Why? Just why?It was the secondary pierce mode that was buffed, that one that I have not seen a single person use.
Military Hammer was OP even before this.
My observations after skimming through the changelog:2h (besides the bastards swords isn't very overpowered anymore, 1h no shield is actually a decent, was before the nudges, will be after them. Shieldbashing is nice, besides the 2h pommel strike seeming to deal insane damage to shields it isn't very powerful-
- Archery is now cheaper, easier, and more rewarding.
- 1h went from being slight buffed to the fucking misery it was before.
- 2h adds nudge to the abooze list. Now they can break havoc using the combination of lolstab and nudge.
- More ammo to archers, more kiting, less fun for melee players.
- No new armors added to the patch
Trust me, the more archers there are on the field, the better shielders do compared to non-shield melee.
Back to the days when can Arablests can 1 shot almost everyoneGood job not reading the entire patch notes, not to mention the randomness removal.
Why are xbows buffed!!!Because looms were nerfed? Crossbows when loomed have the same damage...
What the hell did you do to the Masterwork Bow? Two slots? Better than Nomad and Tatar now? You bastard.
Compare Bow with Rus Bow.Yeah, that was an oversight on my part, will be fixed. :D(click to show/hide)
20 bodkins per quiver. Woah, nice! :)
-Added kick headbutt feature
Any chance nudge will become re-bindable? I'd like mine as maybe F or middle mouse or something, V is very awkward to press in a hurry.I believe cmp said it will happen eventually.
Any chance nudge will become re-bindable? I'd like mine as maybe F or middle mouse or something, V is very awkward to press in a hurry.
When WSE2 is forced on, I believe.Oh fuck. Hopefully WSE2 will actually work for me when they force it. ;-;
Yeah, that was an oversight on my part, will be fixed. :D
So is the 2 slot for the bow a mistake as well? Or is that intentional?2 slot is intentional. It's intended to be a lower tier longbow.
What the hell is nudge? And what happened to kicking?
Did you actually visit the Beginner Section? There is a nudge guide.
yeah, 1hands cause even less damage and get slower.
I dont see the point in slot count for pure archers. Slots are important for hybrids. And 3rd quiver isnt important anyway... on regular servers u use 1 or 2 and a melee, on strat u got equipment boxes... I dont see how Bow (or longbow) can have such superior damage when horn bow and rus bow have better physical properties... Developers are just crap...
EDIT: even 0 slot weapons are good now so i dont see the point. Also HA are used to yumi and horn anyway.
I can only agree to this. There is something wrong with the designs and damage ratios. Horn bow (Composite Bow) was much more powerful than a regular bow (Hell! It is even said it was better than a longbow). The regular bow is only the one rank better version of the hunting bow (at least the way it looks like). The fact that the regular bow is longer doesn't make it a better bow than a composite bow, just because it is so poorly designed that can't even be used on horseback properly. Remove that logic of bigger bow = better bow.
Well, devs are either stupid or ... Devs are perfect speciments of sense.
feeling from an archer about this patch :
imo it's a bit to much ... i guess devs were sad to have nothing more to nerf so they buffed again some stuff to nerf them in near future... :twisted:
after 2 years of nerfing it look like devs dont remember how to buff something so they buff to much ...
buff missile speed for bows was far enough.
+ missile speed increased for bows (it was time.... better missile speed = less ghost arrows)
+ first bows are not useless anymore... same for arrows
+ buff long maul
+ nudge for all
- no brain infantries will cry to much...
- buff xbows = stupidity...
- military hammer and war hammer was op so why buff more ?
- increase speed rating and damage on xbows when pretty all xbows reload like a bow... no logic...
- better missile speed on light bows than heavy bows...got a better speed rating look logic but not for the missile speed, they are suposed to be more powerful
to devs when you think at buff archery, why you dont take time to ask to some old archers how to buff it ?
i bet you will have to nerf archery again ...
People don't seem to understand crossbows/ranged weren't buff'd by damage they just made the unloomed versions better. Masterwork they deal the same damage they always did, most of them.
I can only agree to this. There is something wrong with the designs and damage ratios. Horn bow (Composite Bow) was much more powerful than a regular bow (Hell! It is even said it was better than a longbow).
I know you are going to nerf the bow a bit but are you going to buff its speed up a bit in return?Dude read patch note they already buffed speed on bows exept rus horn and long if i remember it's same speed as before
It slow as hell now lol.
Dude read patch note they already buffed speed on bows exept rus horn and long if i remember it's same speed as beforeI believe he's asking for proof of the quoted claim.
Said where?
The limiting factor on all traditional bows (self or composite) is the user not the bow. You can easily make a 300lb long bow or a 300lb composite bow but nobody would be able to use them.
The difference in design comes from the difference in materials available. Those with access to suitable wood (Ash or Yew generally) used straight bows as they were easier to make and were less susceptible to damp. Those without suitable wood made composite bows instead.
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MY GOD. And u are beta tester??? Shape of the bow is essential to bow performance. You need to learn some physics. It doesnt matter how strong you pull the string if the the bow cannot project that power into the arrow. Simple bow design (short bow, bow, long bow) loses a lot of that power on release and just a portion goes to the arrow. On the other hand recurve bows have the best efficiency cus it puts allow to that energy into the arrow. You need less power to perform equally or better with recurve bow than with long bow. Composite bows are also stronger that simple bows but it depends on design too. If its simple design, they are more powerful but require much more strength of the archer to pull the sring. Composite recurves are maybe the best, but they are hard to master.
The reason why Europe didnt use composite bows was the method of binding the different materials to form a bow - it falls apart in wet climate, and most of Europe is wet. Composite bows are more common in arid areas (lets say Asia). And now when u mentioned it, simple bow design is easy to make and it should be cheap (lol @ crpg prices...).
Now please go read a bit about archery physics and then start talking about "OMGF LONG BOW IS THE BEST". Long bow sucks, end of story. Its all about English ppl that have rather small penis when it comes to their culture. Long bow only has marketing, and to back up the "cultural small penis" just take a look at English archaeological elite when Ausies found a structure older than Stonehenge with the same purpose. There are many more examples how English try to "prove" that they are either the best in something or 1st or both.
There will most likely be a LOT nudge related bugs/exploits so report them in a usable way please.
Lol - I'm a Physics graduate.
Under strategus/battles/archives u can chose a range from within battles should be shown (example: 2013/03/23 - 2013/05/13), and it doesnt seem to be working.Maybe your configured date format (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=settingslocalization) is different and this is causing problems for you.
Question to devs : does the strategus hero (whoever you chose it to be) is the only one that will be able to merc in strat battles ?Yes, only the current hero can fight as merc. When the hero is changed it will also change any open merc jobs from the previous to the current hero.
Yes, only the current hero can fight as merc. When the hero is changed it will also change any open merc jobs from the previous to the current hero.So basically you are saying, we can switch an "alt" to a "main" with approx a weeks stand-down period?
FUCKING NUDGES!!! Teammates nudge all the time for no reason, I got nudged and fell off a wall and I couldn't even report the guy. Every spwan is a nudge rape fest, everyone is nudging everyone for no reason, it made me quit the fucking game cause I was pissed. Can you at least turn friendly fire OFF for nudges please?Agree. Yah, had that problem in DTV when they first introduced nudges. They turned off friendly-nudge in that right.
|Glorious victory. Might seem like a small change but it propelled the weapon from turd to awesome. Looking to trade a MW German Poleaxe for a MW English Bill.
- English Bill | old | new |
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| weight | 4 | 3 |
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Glorious victory. Might seem like a small change but it propelled the weapon from turd to awesome. Looking to trade a MW German Poleaxe for a MW English Bill.
Glorious victory. Might seem like a small change but it propelled the weapon from turd to awesome. Looking to trade a MW German Poleaxe for a MW English Bill.Meh, now it'll require some form of skill to weapon stun with it :cry:
Glorious victory. Might seem like a small change but it propelled the weapon from turd to awesome. Looking to trade a MW German Poleaxe for a MW English Bill.
Good job buffing the scrub archers.
Revert the patch
That every scrubby little noobshit archer now can shoot, so they expand, a lot.
Noobfriendlygamesaretheworst
...Something I forgot?