I'm pretty sure they're mainly just tired of strat.
I don't agree with a lot of what you said though Zaren, the trading was never an issue with Hospitaller, they have trading partners. The problem was when they either took too long to get the goods, or Hospitaller was getting attacked so they had to wait for a secure passage for a caravan. They're also not as rich as you think(in fact perhaps the opposite).. so you can't really assume they can afford the type of gear FCC has.I didnt mean to say they were rich but what i meant to say is that there is no excuse for a faction of their size to not have viable and safe trade routes. I didnt mean that their gear was bad, in fact I believe it to be more than adequate. I meant that they were forgetting stupid things like bolts(they are cheap in comparison to other goods)
I didnt mean to say they were rich but what i meant to say is that there is no excuse for a faction of their size to not have viable and safe trade routes. I didnt mean that their gear was bad, in fact I believe it to be more than adequate. I meant that they were forgetting stupid things like bolts(they are cheap in comparison to other goods)
As you said, "they took too long to get the goods" thats is what im talking about. Thats a mistake that is costly similar to their failure to gear 1500 troops with more than scrap armor and poor weaponry in a siege defense a few battles ago which is something peppo even said was, "stupid."
I do agree these battles havent been fair BUT the entire point of my first post was to say that THERE IS NO REASON WHY THEY CANT BE FAIR. Hospitaller should A.put people in charge who care(if its true that their leaders dont give a fk and are tired of it-see arys post) and B. Take more time to assure the little things are correct.
How big do you really think they are? At this point there's not that many active members, when you get to see Peppo march out with an army and Devestator.. who own a castle and a town, then you kind of have to think they didn't have anyone reliable in there to take out an army. Peppo had Tulbuk Castle and Tulbuk almost all of strat now. Guntram just got Dusturil because I'm assuming it's previous owner wasn't active enough(he used to own dashbigha btw). sJimmy used to own Tash Kulun, he now owns Distar. Sungetche owner Aderyn had to go down for Dashbigha on the attack, I'm assuming Devilize finally got active-ish. See where I'm going with this? Hospitaller doesn't have that many active members in strat, how hard is that too understand :P. The fiefs are given to people who are actually active, that's why you don't see Goretooth with one, Spaniard, Suuper, Warne, Frogger, etc.Think about it this way Krosis. I BY MYSELF was able to raise 250k strat gold in about 1 and 1/2 weeks.....hospitaller id judge has 5 very active and another 10 or so fairly active. that should be enough. Also, FCC doesnt make up their entire roster. Neither do i expect Hospitaller to. But FCC never needs mercs and hospitaller always seems to be needing um
The reason they're not fair at the moment is from what I just said above, and the mercs aren't signing up for them.. there's just no way they can match up. Also losing HP mercs was a huge blow, you no longer see Rohypnol's crazy scores on their side, which helped a ton.
Think about it this way Krosis. I BY MYSELF was able to raise 250k strat gold in about 1 and 1/2 weeks.....hospitaller id judge has 5 very active and another 10 or so fairly active. that should be enough. Also, FCC doesnt make up their entire roster. Neither do i expect Hospitaller to. But FCC never needs mercs and hospitaller always seems to be needing um
well maybe if hospitaller had anyone as likeable as kesh to attract mercs they would get more applicants!
well maybe if hospitaller had anyone as likeable as kesh to attract mercs they would get more applicants!
FCC pays, Hosp doesn't.
If I fight for a faction and will get shit xp, I want gold for it otherwise. Which is why, though I grumble, I don't mind either VE or LCO.(BTW YOU BASTARDS SHOULD AT LEAST PAY 100g to me!)
you better put up the KD/R that comes with the job.
As polarizing as Kesh is, it sounds like Hospitallers are just downright unlikeable.
Think about it this way Krosis. I BY MYSELF was able to raise 250k strat gold in about 1 and 1/2 weeks.....hospitaller id judge has 5 very active and another 10 or so fairly active. that should be enough. Also, FCC doesnt make up their entire roster. Neither do i expect Hospitaller to. But FCC never needs mercs and hospitaller always seems to be needing umWhat I just explained in the previous post was that, the people that are active, own fiefs.. and with the wars that have been going on... it's very risky to leave them.
BTW not having as many people doesnt mean that they cant have trade routes. AND---this is important------AND the loss of Rohy and company is entirely imo Peppos fault. If you werent there the conversation went like this
Rohy-Id be able to do better if the gear wasnt shit(FACT-half of it was -something)
Peppo-If you dont like the gear then DONT FUCKING FIGHT FOR US
Rohy-Fine Then I wont Jesus
Peppo-We dont need you
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yea.......
EDIT-I dont know about you but ive never seen a clan make up more than 10-15/51 in a battle. Hospi can at least get 10......therefore their aparent "tiny size" is irrelevant.
Anders, ill be honest with you, i know you're a merc and all but the fact you keep asking for money is a reason why i don't necessarily pay or even recruit you, combined with the fact that if you ask for pay, you better put up the KD/R that comes with the job.
What I just explained in the previous post was that, the people that are active, own fiefs.. and with the wars that have been going on... it's very risky to leave them.Sure, but there comes a time when u have to do things....mathematically no matter how large your fiefs army is, it will eventually get worn down till it is too weak to stand if what you do is sit there.
I have no problem with making it clear you were a leader, but the tone of the conversation between the two was way to intense from the initial comment. He wasnt being a dick/raging/whatever he said, "the gear is shit and archers keep killing me" maybe he shouldnt say it but the fact was IT WAS TRUE.
I don't have a problem with them doing their own thing, but the shit talking and the threats are something you shouldn't really tolerate.. I think it's one of the reasons a lot of the mercs don't listen to Hospitallers since they saw HP get away with shit.
If it's not +3 and heavy as shit I guess it's crap. Still, Peppo reacting like that is of course a bad move, and an alienating one.I know mala, but thats what strat is now. Strat is armor crutching as much as possible to win. I dont like it either, but here is nothing you can do about it at this time
I know mala, but thats what strat is now. Strat is armor crutching as much as possible to win. I dont like it either, but here is nothing you can do about it at this time
Lol Zaren. ROHYS idea of "shit gear" was pretty far off IMO, I was there for that battle. If it's not +3 and heavy as shit I guess it's crap. Still, Peppo reacting like that is of course a bad move, and an alienating one.
That's cool.(click to show/hide)
Blue is Positive, Light red is 1:1 or near, and maroon is bad k/d.
7 Bad K/d's, 7 Good and 7 Neutral.
I've fought for you guys 3 times and have had 2 positive and 1 neutral Kdr, AS A HA. So considering the fact that I've "Earned" my pay, you should. If you are going to say that I can't put up K/D I most certainly can.
Also, my worst K/ds are on either Attack or as a poorly equipped defender.
I can't wait to retire to get off HA and back to a normal class.
Is this now a thread for us to post our Strat KDs?
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IDK, I use +3's all the time in NA 1 but I'm not upset about Hosp stuff in Strat even though it's a bit lower in quality than what I'm used to sometimes; calling it shit is just stupid. It can still protect, hit, charge, shoot, do damage, etc, no need to be spoiled on leet gear every second that you play, getting whatever leg up you can at all times. Why would you even WANT to give yourself that much of a constant advantage?
The only strat issue that pisses me off is lack of variety for the most amount of builds. Not enough throwing stuff, not enough consideration for HA'S and HX's or lighter armor wearers, and I think that's a much more justifiable complaint to make. There's no build out there that is capable only of using +3 gear, but there are builds out there that are made only to use a subset of gear (Bows, Melee weapons, Throwing Weapons...).
I'm pretty sure they're mainly just tired of strat.This. After 4 strats of bugs, exploits, and drama with teamspeak issues and a few other things, most of our older members have had it. Our member situation is either not active enough, doesn't play crpg anymore, or doesn't play strat anymore. The only ones still active in strat are our newer members. If u look in our teamspeak there might be 1 or 2 ppl playing crpg but most of us are playing another game. I actually talked to peppo and devestater and a few other officers at the beginning of strat 4 to see if they wanted to play strat still. The response was " well what game are we going to go to?" It wasn't well strat is fun! Strat is just way to demanding without getting much out of it. We've been looking for another good clan-oriented game for quite awhile now.
This is worth saying
Tonights battle-Fimbulvetr vs. Hospitaller was MUCH MUCH better for hospitaller.
Props to their commanders(sJimmy and Bonzai) as they were able to mount a much more formidable defense. While they still lost more than they killed there was never a time where I saw the same walls of red as before. I dont know about what you guys(the others on hospi side) felt but the "feeling" in ts was much different for me. The way the battle was commanded was full of confidence and control and it felt like response times of troops were efficient and worth praise.
Keep it up, I hope more battles are as good as that one.
This is worth saying
Tonights battle-Fimbulvetr vs. Hospitaller was MUCH MUCH better for hospitaller.
Props to their commanders(sJimmy and Bonzai) as they were able to mount a much more formidable defense. While they still lost more than they killed there was never a time where I saw the same walls of red as before. I dont know about what you guys(the others on hospi side) felt but the "feeling" in ts was much different for me. The way the battle was commanded was full of confidence and control and it felt like response times of troops were efficient and worth praise.
Keep it up, I hope more battles are as good as that one.
Which one of their commanders who did a really good job had them build a siege tower on the flags and then not destroy it when it was addressed multiple times?
Which one of their commanders who did a really good job had them build a siege tower on the flags and then not destroy it when it was addressed multiple times?
I was on hospitaller's side for this battle and can say that it wasn't done on purpose. I think a big part of it was due to their inventory being overfilled that once they finally cleared out the shit to get to build equipment they did it very quickly and didn't even think about the whole flag thing. I also didn't see anything in chat about it being addressed multiple times, but then again I don't really look at chat too often.
I was talking about the Russian Red Tide of Druzina coming to whipe us out like last strat.bring on the xp
You may all carry on with your petty wars. Do as you wish from what little time you have left, for there is a storm coming. The events that will take place, none of you can even begin to fathom or comprehend. It will be a tidal wave of death and destruction. Your armies will drown in their own endless sea's of blood. It will wash over you like a swarm of locust. There is nothing you can do to stop it. The "Remnants" of something once great and fearsome will rise from the dust and the ashes. There is no hope for you or your children, or your children's, childrens, of the great and vast land of Calradia. Nothing can stop the apocalypse that will be brought down upon your feeble heads. The only thing you can do is pray to whatever god or gods you believe in, and hope that you will have some form of mercy, whether it be in this life or the next. Prepare yourselves.(click to show/hide)
I would love to defend a castle for once...
Perhaps I can count the times I've done it on two hands.
Defended Rindyar once against Occitan.
Defended Malayurg against Hospitallers.
Defended Slezkh against Lost Legion.
Defended Sungetchze against Hospitallers a few times.
Defended Caraf from Semen Storm/Hero party.
Oh and I defended Shariz and Durquba once, but those are towns.
This post gave me a boner thinking about an all or nothing battle between NA and EU. It's fun to imagine the NA dream team of 51 currently active players that would play against EU. It's a shame the competitive scene in this game is basically non-existent in NA. Strat just doesn't feel competitive. Battle doesn't feel competitive. Hopefully this new Ravens server can get some scrimmages and shit going and we can pit clan versus clan in small matches of skilled players, not just 6 clan members and 45 random ass mercenaries like in Strat battles.
Idk if you were here for last strat when they did actually wipe us lol. But the big swinging dicks of the Carebear Alliances of Chaos, HoC, and LLJK ( 3 original clans of the Green Alliance, and later on clans like MB and TkoV joined in.) had a bunch of epic battle before being wiped. But the three leaders were essentially me, Canary, and Smoothrich. Were were rolling over almost everyone in NA and then came the war with Hosp. That is probably my favorite war of any strat. There wasnt really any drama or clan to clan grudges or anything like that. Just great diplomacy, good communication, and some epic battles. (that i know of) It was so back and forth and so epic. But eventually we pushed Hosp back into their steppe homelands.
As seen here in this image I took almost 3 hours to make in Adobe Illustrator, MS Paint pro, and flash. Showed the final resolution for Hosp.(click to show/hide)
But then things fell apart when SpergRich collapsed LLJK from the inside out. We were all just about to move in our armies to when that happened. Shorty after Druzina came along and started shit stomping everyone and everything in its path. We were simply just outmanned and out gunned. But we made some epic final stands.(click to show/hide)
I think if the game hadnt bored almost all of us to death with all the crafting and incredibly slow trade running, FCC would have joined the green tide - I don't know if we would have been beating the DRZ like Fallen, HRE, and us did to them and their allies in Strat 2, but it would have been fun to have all our horsemen and archers helping out in those fights and of course our glorious general Huey Newton to command the battles (charge head-on from behind).
our glorious general Huey Newton to command the battles (charge head-on from behind).
Huey was in all of those battles. He kept playing when the rest of you went to star wars.
Huey also took a village or two from what I remember. Then he let them get taken again and that's the extent of what I remember Huey doing last Strat.
I think if the game hadnt bored almost all of us to death with all the crafting and incredibly slow trade running, FCC would have joined the green tide - I don't know if we would have been beating the DRZ like Fallen, HRE, and us did to them and their allies in Strat 2, but it would have been fun to have all our horsemen and archers helping out in those fights and of course our glorious general Huey Newton to command the battles (charge head-on from behind).
Idk if you were here for last strat when they did actually wipe us lol. But the big swinging dicks of the Carebear Alliances of Chaos, HoC, and LLJK ( 3 original clans of the Green Alliance, and later on clans like MB and TkoV joined in.) had a bunch of epic battle before being wiped. But the three leaders were essentially me, Canary, and Smoothrich. Were were rolling over almost everyone in NA and then came the war with Hosp. That is probably my favorite war of any strat. There wasnt really any drama or clan to clan grudges or anything like that. Just great diplomacy, good communication, and some epic battles. (that i know of) It was so back and forth and so epic. But eventually we pushed Hosp back into their steppe homelands.
As seen here in this image I took almost 3 hours to make in Adobe Illustrator, MS Paint pro, and flash. Showed the final resolution for Hosp.(click to show/hide)
But then things fell apart when SpergRich collapsed LLJK from the inside out. We were all just about to move in our armies to when that happened. Shorty after Druzina came along and started shit stomping everyone and everything in its path. We were simply just outmanned and out gunned. But we made some epic final stands.(click to show/hide)
I know FCC yoloed into ATS only fief right before they left for star wars. I think it may have been led by Huey but I am not sure if he was the first (failed) or second wave.
I know FCC yoloed into ATS only fief right before they left for star wars. I think it may have been led by Huey but I am not sure if he was the first (failed) or second wave.
lol not even close - we took that one village after 2 easy attacks
After fallen got carpet-bombed for attacking their own fief, we had a vote about it - most of us were playing skyrim, league of legends, and killing Floor Christmas edition for almost a month at that time and were starting star wars. Voted to give away all our stuff to clans we wanted to help including the large armies and equipment.
(this doesnt happen anymore to people in this strat because devs dont care if you break the rules)
I'll openly admit it was solely to delay the attack for at least 24 hrs. It's a shitty game mechanic, I didn't make it, but I will use it to my advantage.
As for the night-time thing, tough shit, we are primarily an EU clan and that's what night-time was put in place for.
As for your whole "everyone is ganging up on us" arguement, I'm flattered, because it's just been Fallen Brigade and HRE troops so far. In fact, I've been loaning FCC troops, not the other way around.
So in conclusion, I don't care what you think of me. Fuck you.
To be fair, atleast Loki admitted he abused bugs. Would rather instead of people getting punished for abusing bugs, it was encouraged to find bugs so they could then be fixed.
That would be expecting the developers to have a degree of competency though, which I guess is a naive to think they would have.
Instead now it's just use as many bugs as you want aslong as you never admit to doing it outright, because for some reason that is different~.
Me and you remember that war quite differently. After drz attacked that first trader and shit hit the fan, the mastermind leaders of the green alliance just folded. Idk if you can still do research on this, but almost all of the chaos battles were fought as ATTACKERS at EU PRIMETIME. I remember a saturday where canay had to lead like 5 battles attacking in mail vs plate, and all the battles were like .3:1.
I kept hearing things like, "oh drz is cool lets fight them like this cuz it's fair."
Whoever thought that fighting the UIF, the known cheaters, carebears, and killers of EU strat both then and now, deserved to be fought "fairly" after they cheaply ganked the green machine, pretty much ruined the fun for everyone in NA.
Nobody folded. We were as I said already outmanned and out gunned. Even if LLJK didnt implode we still would have had less people. Also we were in the middle of a war with Hosp and had our armies completely out of place for a defense. We were caught off guard. They were pretty much the dominant force of EU for the majority of the time. They were fed from the very beginning. The only thing we could do is fight with what we had, which wasnt nearly as much as DRZ had.
I remember in the DRZ invasion trying to suicide charge one of their armies in the field only to be stopped by the fact that my 100 man army couldn't attack a 1500 man army. It was a sad day for me.
Yeah lol I was doing 2 days retires from 3-4 battles. What ended the party was the advancing respawn timer, the plate is mostly still around.
Heavy yashawns is as high as we go and def not the entire fight. Generally a third get that armor and then switch to mamluk. We could prob play that super plate game but it takes away some of the variety that makes the faction look unique
LLJK
Yeah, I personally prefer to wear light to medium armor unless I am 24/15+, which I rarely am. It is really a double edged sword. The plate brings huge xp ticks, but my agi balanced builds can't effectively use it and my low ps can't kill them.
fight for us. we always include the lordly cav robes and blunt/pierce weapons so the speed freaks can join in the fun
Heavy yashawns is as high as we go and def not the entire fight. Generally a third get that armor and then switch to mamluk. We could prob play that super plate game but it takes away some of the variety that makes the faction look unique
Yeah, plate is a godsend for playing on horseback because I can take at least 3 shots from kesh, so unless he sees me coming from far away and runs for cover, he's mine :twisted:
I only allow black lamellar, black hoods with mask, rus shoes, and leather gloves. :mrgreen:
Noooooo Khergit leather boots. Samurai wore light strange greaves. If you buy my outfit I will merc for you every fight Gmnotutoo!
Yeah, I personally prefer to wear light to medium armor unless I am 24/15+, which I rarely am. It is really a double edged sword. The plate brings huge xp ticks, but my agi balanced builds can't effectively use it and my low ps can't kill them.
This guy thinks that heavy yawshans are light-medium
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Heavy yashawns is as high as we go and def not the entire fight. Generally a third get that armor and then switch to mamluk. We could prob play that super plate game but it takes away some of the variety that makes the faction look unique
That whopping 10 body armor (and a whole 1 leg! 44-54 body and 19-20 leg) difference between Mamluk and Yawshawn is a pretty big step, yes, lol- but they're both already on the heavy end even without looms or gloves + gloves looms. If you add Lordly to that value, and gloves... They're both heavy armor sets in terms of the protection afforded, which allows for more mistakes to be made.
I think the biggest issue is that the highest difficulty on armor is 16. That needs to change IMO. The heaviest stuff should take at least as much STR as the Great Maul, and probably even more for the sake of balance, though Strategus balance in particular. If the heaviest armor sets took 24+ STR we might see less of it in strat, and we'd be able to identify high priority/high damage-potential targets more efficiently (though the clever STR builds would just wear lighter gear). If the requirements went up, less people would be able to play dress up in roleplay in anything they want, but then why have requirements for armor AT ALL?
That whopping 10 body armor (and a whole 1 leg! 44-54 body and 19-20 leg) difference between Mamluk and Yawshawn is a pretty big step, yes, lol- but they're both already on the heavy end even without looms or gloves + gloves looms. If you add Lordly to that value, and gloves... They're both heavy armor sets in terms of the protection afforded, which allows for more mistakes to be made.
I think the biggest issue is that the highest difficulty on armor is 16. That needs to change IMO. The heaviest stuff should take at least as much STR as the Great Maul, and probably even more for the sake of balance, though Strategus balance in particular. If the heaviest armor sets took 24+ STR we might see less of it in strat, and we'd be able to identify high priority/high damage-potential targets more efficiently (though the clever STR builds would just wear lighter gear). If the requirements went up, less people would be able to play dress up in roleplay in anything they want, but then why have requirements for armor AT ALL?
all my armies include about 1/3rd cav robes. You are welcome to use them....
Since you just attacked Saxton on his way home to a heroes welcome. we will see how much of what you say is just talk. I am sure all the Chaos armies will be wearing lammo and earning those kills with skills not crutches for this war :)
all my armies include about 1/3rd cav robes. You are welcome to use them....
Since you just attacked Saxton on his way home to a heroes welcome. we will see how much of what you say is just talk. I am sure all the Chaos armies will be wearing lammo and earning those kills with skills not crutches for this war :)
Not all armies, most likely. I can't control how other armies in the faction are outfitted directly, but I can control how mine is, and I have roughly a third representation of below 40 body armor sets (gloves + chest), the lowest being 28 body armor total. I also can't control how my mercs choose to outfit themselves on the field beyond requests, but I can limit the amount of heavier stuff in my force in the hopes that people spawn with a variety at the offset instead of just the gear with the most protection. In any case you can bet that I'll be wearing that, because I don't feel that relegating the use of the the lightest equipment merely until the end of the fight or ranged units is a good way to play. If that's how it is, you may as well not use lighter stuff at all, which is the growing trend unfortunately.