As a outside of this now I see this as one NA UIF attacking a small clan over one of there vassals own civil wars, hoc and malta should be at war but the whole empire shouldent get involved. just as chevaliers havent gotten involved in maltas squable with hoc
- Malta is it's own separate faction and not of Chevalier, and holds it's own rightful territory (the Chevalier tag currently on them is there till Malta regains it's strength - Any trade through to Malta controlled area should be taken up with Malta.
New Qualyut
HoC is not our vassal. We are one faction. Just as Chevaliers and Malta are one faction. HoCs enemies are the Empires enemies. I tried talking to the chevaliers multiple times, it got nowhere, so now its war.
When?
That would be when i messaged you a few weeks back, to which you replied by closing your borders to us, calling us stupid, and then going offline before i could even reply. After a childish stunt like that i figured diplomacy was going nowhere.That doesn't even sound close to how Inglorious acts.
That would be when i messaged you a few weeks back, to which you replied by closing your borders to us, calling us stupid, and then going offline before i could even reply. After a childish stunt like that i figured diplomacy was going nowhere.
Malta is it's own separate faction and not of Chevalier, and holds it's own rightful territory (the Chevalier tag currently on them is there till Malta regains it's strength - Any trade through to Malta controlled area should be taken up with Malta.
- Malta is it's own separate faction and not of Chevalier, and holds it's own rightful territory (the Chevalier tag currently on them is there till Malta regains it's strength - Any trade through to Malta controlled area should be taken up with Malta.
From:Chevalier_gunshy
To:JABONRA_Eganomics
Received:02/11/2012 04:50:55 PM
Malta's attack
this attack was not sanctioned by the Chevaliers
Fort Myers. Lot's of business's here are in relation back home in Texas. Jacksonville isn't to far away though, as you probably already know.
Drinks some time in Panama "Party" City?
But they say it wasn't in your quote?
If they are there own separate faction, why are their attacks sanctioned by you?
I have nothing against Chevaliers, however I felt like this was worth pointing out.
(Before anyone bitches, yes this is a quick run down and no it does not mean necessarily the alliance but the point still stands of a larger group vs a smaller group)
Umm fcc vrs kutt...the rest came in after we won. thank you
Right, but it sounds like they should be sanctioned by chevs. There is a reason when Chaos attacked Tilbaut Castle, I didn't message oohillac and say "this attack was not sanctioned by the JABONRA."
Yeah dont think we are using this as a way to justify this as a "fair" fight. We are a huge faction, very active and our members want more fiefs.
Well put Anders @ Egan
I ninja edited it...
oh wait you did too!
Read the little tidbit in parenthesis, yes Fallen came in like vultures and yes Teutonic was towards the end. It still doesn't change the who larger vs smaller dynamic Bale, I know you guys didn't go into it with that happening in mind, it's just the way it ended up.
This is probably the worst excuse I've ever seen since playing strat for a 100+ man clan to go to war with a 20 man clan. Truly a pathetic show by the Empire. Who are you going to declare war on next? Anders and his three man clan for taking a piss off the balcony of his castle?
Just sad. :rolleyes:
Yea well you guys will have 1 member per ever 5 fiefs(assuming you take all of them). Why not attack the goons? They are closer and allow contiguous land coverage.
And here I thought the desert was going to stay for the small clans to have some fun. Welp there goes that. :|
Yeah dont think we are using this as a way to justify this as a "fair" fight. We are a huge faction, very active and our members want more fiefs.
The causes we listed are legit, and we try to get a causas belli for every war, but obviously greedy motives motivate better then bad diplomacy
This is probably the worst excuse I've ever seen since playing strat for a 100+ man clan to go to war with a 20 man clan. Truly a pathetic show by the Empire. Who are you going to declare war on next? Anders and his three man clan for taking a piss off the balcony of his castle?
Just sad. :rolleyes:
• A terrorist suicide attack commissioned by Malta_Kirbies resulting in a 700 man slaughter of Uesegi forces at the hands of HoC in self defense
• Housing of enemy troops and the destruction of an Imperial caravan trying to bring trade to Durquba• King Robert wants a new summer home
Let it be known HoC's differences with Kirby have nothing to do with our invasion. Hunting Malta was going to happen wherever they would have hid. Really this is about warm winter time shares for our Imperial ruling class. Winters get cold in Calradia and for us old timers with Arthritis the desert is more therapeutic than strategic. I just want to drink and f*#% my slaves, good day.
I don't have anything to do with either faction, but I've heard from various people that the Chevaliers were allowing the Hospitallers to use their lands as a staging ground for attacks on caravans in areas that were designated as free trade zones with open borders. You might counter by saying that it's natural that they would help Hospitaller and that it's a perfectly legitimate move on their part considering they are/were the vassals of Hospitaller, which quite is true, but that's all the more reason why it would be in the interest of VE to wipe them off the map.
Ears and Noses will be the trophies of the day! I've reserved a cell for Kirby to receive his "bloody eagle".
I don't have anything to do with either faction, but I've heard from various people that the Chevaliers were allowing the Hospitallers to use their lands as a staging ground for attacks on caravans in areas that were designated as free trade zones with open borders. You might counter by saying that it's natural that they would help Hospitaller and that it's a perfectly legitimate move on their part considering they are/were the vassals of Hospitaller, which quite is true, but that's all the more reason why it would be in the interest of VE to wipe them off the map.
http://forum.meleegaming.com/diplomacy/chevalier-trading-policies/
I didn't close any borders but Tamnuh's borders, and that is because of multiple trade agreements. Tamnuh, is not Durquba. Durquba is where you were demanding extraditing people who were taking advantage of our open borders policy. On that note, what is the point of being our own faction (Chevalier) with our own trade and open borders policies, if another faction (Velucan Empire/TKoV) can control it. Might as well be part of the VE at that point.
I did not call you stupid, by any shape or form. I called the idea of that because TKoV didn't take advantage of our open borders policy first, that we had to change our policies just for TKoV, as per your requests. And at the time in my hurry - ...
Yea well you guys will have 1 member per ever 5 fiefs(assuming you take all of them). Why not attack the goons? They are closer and allow contiguous land coverage.
And here I thought the desert was going to stay for the small clans to have some fun. Welp there goes that. :|
Chaos/Remnant/Hero Party vs Coalition
I'd agree with this statement if there wasn't an NAP in effect with Hosp/VE/NH, effectively ending that war for at least 2 months.
The goons have never given us a reason to want to attack them. Chevaliers have. Simple, as hobb said we go after people we have a casus belli against, yes this is a war for more land, but that's not the only reason for the war.
http://forum.meleegaming.com/diplomacy/chevalier-trading-policies/
I didn't close any borders but Tamnuh's borders, and that is because of multiple trade agreements. Tamnuh, is not Durquba. Durquba is where you were demanding extraditing people who were taking advantage of our open borders policy. On that note, what is the point of being our own faction (Chevalier) with our own trade and open borders policies, if another faction (Velucan Empire/TKoV) can control it. Might as well be part of the VE at that point.
False.
This.
Keep CHAOS and Hero_Party, remove Remnant and replace with Occitan and Pale Bowlers or whatever the hell they are called as well as KUTT.
Wow Tears, way to come into a thread that has dissolved the drama and rekindle the flame..actually, you did more than rekindle, you ripped ass upon it, poured gasoline and threw an M80 on top of it.Signature worthy, thank you.
Sheesh. Should have just stuck with your original post.That would be boring.
On my orders, Imperial forces have begun striking selected targets of military importance to undermineSaddam Hussein'sMalta_Kirbies ability to wage war. These are opening stages of what will be a broad and concerted campaign.
Let it be known HoC's differences with Kirby have nothing to do with our invasion. Hunting Malta was going to happen wherever they would have hid. Really this is about warm winter time shares for our Imperial ruling class. Winters get cold in Calradia and for us old timers with Arthritis the desert is more therapeutic than strategic. I just want to drink and f*#% my slaves, good day.
Kirby you were attacked because of your weird attitude and the fact that nobody gives two squirts of piss about you. Grab your sword and try to have some fun.
I assume the reason why VE decided to work out a cease-fire with Hospitaller in the first place was so that they could deal with the Chevaliers. Even the wording of the NAP suggests it, what with the part about the Hospitallers pledging not to intervene if a party not named in the treaty gets attacked.
I think it's a rational move if you're considering the Strategus map from a standpoint of loss and gain. That war in the steppes seemed to be at a stalemate due to the distance involved, among other factors, and it looks like FCC may need some time to reorganize its new territories and figure out how it wants to proceed (and, indeed, if it wants to proceed at the current time) against Hospitaller. By signing that two month cease-fire agreement, VE seemingly got Hospitaller to cut off their vassals and gave themselves plenty of time to get in a better position in possible future conflicts by eliminating a Hospitaller ally.
What makes me curious about this whole thing is what the Hospitallers plan to do and how agreeing to the NAP furthers their interest as a faction. Huseby locked the topic he started, and I didn't see much elaboration in that other thread.
Not taking sides here, but I would like to point out Hero Party has also been attacked repeatedly by some rival faction that was operating out of Chevalieres territory, griefing our trade routes. "IG" whoever they are, I don't remember but I think they were Papal Guard or some clan like that under a new banner.
I believe that one of our guys talked to Chevs about it and handled it diplomatically, but some other clans tend to have the disposition (or have the means) to resolve these disputes in a.. less than diplomatic fashion. Shit that goes down in your territory is your clan's responsibility. Almost went back to war with Hospitallers within days of making a peace deal with them, because they were trying to use our territory to attack TKoV which I would not allow.
hey now, the only reason why we even was in your territory chasing the tkov army was because he QM'd in the middle of the night (us time) and the fact my attack didn't go through on the stratpage even tho i spammed it 5 hours straight. :| (you know all of this)
So he actually is one of your leaders. Well in anycase I'm just showing the hypocrisy of your clans current actions to what was said before about our actions. And also are you implying what Syls said was not the general consensus of your leaders? Not intentionally stirring the pot but am curious as to why VE actions against Chev are really all that different from the Hosp v HP.
You sir, are smart. And anders, Hospitaller have attacked our caravans right on top of durquba, 2 if i remember correctly. After which, when i was trying to return home with all my spoils of war, the same hospitaller desert terrorist who had attacked one of our caravans appeared out of durquba and forced me to change my route.
To Spaniard, Syls is one leader of about 10 in our faction.
So he actually is one of your leaders. Well in anycase I'm just showing the hypocrisy of your clans current actions to what was said before about our actions. And also are you implying what Syls said was not the general consensus of your leaders? Not intentionally stirring the pot but am curious as to why VE actions against Chev are really all that different from the Hosp v HP.
IG is one man who plays in our TS. I told him he could leave his bandit ways and join my conglomerate but he said no. He just wanted the goods miley had for no reason but to try.
He's russian(IRL) and he wanted to be a bear. His name is kronos. Currently he's playing minecraft instead of crpg. He'll probably come back in a week for 3 days and then disappear again.
His name is IG_Uncounted_Sauce. It's just 1 guy who does whatever he wants. You probably see him more under his name of Box_of_Pineapples.
I assume the reason why VE decided to work out a cease-fire with Hospitaller in the first place was so that they could deal with the Chevaliers. Even the wording of the NAP suggests it, what with the part about the Hospitallers pledging not to intervene if a party not named in the treaty gets attacked.
I am wondering why Hospitallers would agree to this. Aren't they allied to Chevaliers, or are they currently just friendly with no official bonds? I've said plenty of bad things about Hospitallers, but I've always respected them for sticking to their contractual word. This round of Strategus has strained that respect. If there is an official alliance, how can they sign another deal stating they will not help their ally?
Yeah its one of those things that you think is a problem until you see the negative side effects of it.
Ex. Chaos taking their fiefs in S3, some of them had 2 or less defense because of this "mercs mean hostility" way of thinking. Something I know tkov leadership has went over many times this strat is to ignore this because it is proven to kill the game.
I would say this strat has been a lot better but I still feel way to many people think that mercing against you is a serious thing.
Fallen is the only clan that ever comes to try to get mercs from our ts, we usually have a good number of players ob daily
REST IN PEACE CHEVALIERSChevaliers will survive this, Inglorious knows what he's doing, and they have KUTT, Hospergler and Astralis as mercs.
Edit: you guys are both blue, the same shades of blue i can't tell which one is which
Damn, you've just found the real reason why we're attacking them :mrgreen: . There's only one clan that can be blue on this map!
:S it's kinda obvious chevaliers are lighter blue... :O
Well Anders when u only have a massive numerical advantage you also need to hedge your bets and try a happy middle of night attack as well.. Boo T-kups
if that is the case poor sports Chevs.. If not 3AM fight really I want to join these things but not going to waste sleep on crap like this
if that is the case poor sports Chevs.. If not 3AM fight really I want to join these things but not going to waste sleep on crap like thisWe were attacked.. and the time is randomly generated.
We were attacked.. and the time is randomly generated.
I don't think any of us have a clue how night time works. But the battle tonight is an hour later than last nights battle :(
I'm so tired ...
How I feel after this last battle...
Great fight tonight, everyone!
See y'all tomorrow and good luck to everyone
Unfortunate you can't sort by score as some were higher than those killstealers :mrgreen:
Courtesy of Diggles, end game scoreboard:(click to show/hide)
And the Wall of Shame.(click to show/hide)
And the Wall of Shame.(click to show/hide)
Noted resident, a bear irl.
Also, that bottom list may have included engineers on that list or good ladder placers or just ranged that dont get to soak up points for being near mass melee. Not a wall of shame. Hell half those guys on our side have 2:1 k/d.
Very shameful indeed, only 34-9, I d/c'd once so its actually 37-9 but still horrible.True dat. It is very shame to have best k\d ratio :D
Thank god the point system is fair.
Also 1.7 million xp. Grats!Are you sure? Site statistics says that attackers got only 450k :?
Are you sure? Site statistics says that attackers got only 450k :?
Nevermind, 480k seems about right. Not sure how often strat ticks take place, but 20k exp ticks every five minutes over the course of two hours is like 480k on the nose.
Are you sure? Site statistics says that attackers got only 450k :?
Signed up for this fight but I was too tired by the time it rolled around. I retracted and went to sleep. VE had a full roster anyway so I figured they'd be fine.
Seems like I missed out on a good fight though.
I am with you diggs. It does not make any sense.
It starts fine. Get some kills and the battle gets going and all of a sudden the server takes a dump. Swings do not register.. or fire off 3 secs after you release.
I bring this up all the time and no one dev wise even says anything. I wonder If EU suffers the same thing.
I am with you diggs. It does not make any sense.EU_3 is fine. Moreover, EU players don't have problems on NA_3 too. I think chadz just hates 'merikkans. That's why every NA cRPG Launcher has hidden function to mess your Internet connection.
It starts fine. Get some kills and the battle gets going and all of a sudden the server takes a dump. Swings do not register.. or fire off 3 secs after you release.
I bring this up all the time and no one dev wise even says anything. I wonder If EU suffers the same thing.
EU_3 is fine. Moreover, EU players don't have problems on NA_3 too. I think chadz just hates 'merikkans. That's why every NA cRPG Launcher has hidden function to mess your Internet connection.
I hear EU's complain all the time about NA server being more laggy than just ping alone. Crossbow you might not eb noticing it, but melee players notice it constantly.
The NA servers are worse all over than the EU ones, because of price of dedicated hosting in US/Canada as opposed to in EU.
Ive raised the point of NA people donating extra (which people would) specifically for a better server considering that price difference, but i dont think chadz likes donations.
But fact remains - NA servers blow and most of us would easily donate some money to not play this awesome game trapped inside jello.
The NA servers are worse all over than the EU ones, because of price of dedicated hosting in US/Canada as opposed to in EU.
Ive raised the point of NA people donating extra (which people would) specifically for a better server considering that price difference, but i dont think chadz likes donations.
But fact remains - NA servers blow and most of us would easily donate some money to not play this awesome game trapped inside jello.
I feel like a monster after, Slaughtering innocent peasants of Durquba...
The Free city of Durquba fought to the last. Every man and women were given at least rocks and sent to their deaths. Tell me, how should I feel after this battle?
We were told they had nuclear weapons, I swear!
Sad that you didn't get more xp? Plus they were told they would be spared but they believed vicious rumors that we would slaughter them once we got inside and thus this was unavoidable once they took up arms and denied us entry. They brought it upon their heads despite all efforts by our Steward Tristran.
We spared what we could at the end of the battle. Unfortunately many citizens died defending their prized city tonight. They will be given the best burial arrangements we can offer and the remaining citizens will be spared with troops already repairing the damage done in this siege. We are trying to speed up the process to get this city back to work and back to normal. These people have been through much and we are moving bodies, ours and theirs to their respective pyres and burial sites.
Fortunately we were able to convince a large majority of them to stand down and many citizens of this fine city are alive and well. We have kept most of the city's previous guild leaders and even its previous mayor. They will run things so the people do not feel we have ripped everything from them. They do have a new lord and emperor but their local leaders will still have a say in the local matters as well as the ear of their new emperor. He does like the new male harem and saved it before it was completely destroyed.
So yes many citizens died today but they died with a mistaken belief that they would be slaughtered if they gave it over to us. We never intended for this. It is unfortunate that Empire soliders and Durquba citizens died needlessly when all was taken care of already.
Yeah I could see as well.
I just dislike the fact that Tristran decided to tarnish my naked body by giving me the gift of a two handed sword up my ass. While I appreciate the thought, it did ruin my not dead yet streak.
So I thought we were in a desert... and we get this map?