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Title: Retribution
Post by: Larry on October 31, 2012, 09:33:34 pm
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Retribution

Ladies, Gentlemen, and everyone inbetween; We are gathered here today, because the KUTT /Whoreds/ have decided, without provocation, to attack one of our valued, and commerce spreading trade caravans. Due, in part, to this inordinately, and massively homosexual, 'Dick - Move', let us call it, we are hereby officially, and forevermore, declaring the holiest of wars on the Knight's Undergrowth Tit Tuckers. We shall swarm upon them like a million bees, for even the largest stained T-shirt pedophile elephant can be felled when viciously stung from within it's own intestines. Kutt shall rue the day it's members decided to attack Dragoni of Valahia, and we shall goose-step march up and down upon the backs of their Women and Children, despite their lack of any thereof.

~~~Signed~~~

Artyem the Tenebreous
Deltah the Fearless
Applesauce the Boss
Larry the Magical Cheetah



Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: Tanken on October 31, 2012, 09:37:49 pm
Oh look, same story, different day!


Maybe if you all learned to read the forums and see that you need approval to trade here, your "Holy War" could be averted.
Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: Relit on October 31, 2012, 09:40:06 pm
From what I hear, the guy had permission from 2 different KUTT members and that Tanken even witnessed it. So well done Tanken on attacking a unarmed caravan who was under your protection.
Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: MURDERTRON on October 31, 2012, 09:42:12 pm
No way, Tanken wouldn't lie bend the truth that way!
Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: ildist on October 31, 2012, 09:43:02 pm
Hey larry, you should stop doing that gay accent all the time
Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: TugBoat on October 31, 2012, 09:44:12 pm
It says explicitly on our trade posts and diplomacy announcement that I am the head diplomat and right hand of tanken. All of our trade agreements have been done through me.

As head diplomat, should you not approach me about arranging diplomatic shit?

No one talks to me about anything, the diplomat, to arrange anything diplomacy wise, and then they complain when whatever imaginary agreement they come up with isn't honored? Are you kidding me? I'm the nicest most honorable member of BOAT clan if you want something done or arranged come to me. You guys are just being lame.
Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: Artyem on October 31, 2012, 09:46:20 pm
How can you say that when we had permission given by your clan?  You attacked our trade caravan and gave us a list of fallible reasons for doing so.

Perhaps if you had more control of your impetuous clan, this holy war wouldn't be needed.  Yet you continue to serve atrocities to Calradia and I, and my colleagues, had enough of it.  For these reasons we have decided to do what is best for the lands, and that is to serve justice to another tyrant alongside our highly prestigious and glorious allies.

I will drink from your skull one day, I will savor every second of your impalement.
Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: Tanken on October 31, 2012, 09:46:57 pm
I searched my PMs the day the attack was made--No attempt by ANY Dracul member was made to get access to the territory. Any approved trader can tell you, I immediately add their name to the access list if I'm able to approve it.


Dracul didn't do that, and they are now saying it is the reason for their war. I have often reached out to many people that didn't ask for permission as I see them enter our territory. Our diplomacy thread specifically says what will happen if you do not notify us. This is what happened.


And also, as said in the Trade Thread, I am the only one (and have always been the only one) to give authority to Traders for approved trade. Your fault, not mine.
How can you say that when we had permission given by your clan?  You attacked our trade caravan and gave us a list of fallible reasons for doing so.

Show me the message or quote where you asked, and I granted it?
Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: TugBoat on October 31, 2012, 09:47:08 pm
How can you say that when we had permission given by your clan?  You attacked our trade caravan and gave us a list of fallible reasons for doing so.

Perhaps if you had more control of your impetuous clan, this holy war wouldn't be needed.  Yet you continue to serve atrocities to Calradia and I, and my colleagues, had enough of it.  For these reasons we have decided to do what is best for the lands, and that is to serve justice to another tyrant alongside our highly prestigious and glorious allies.

I will drink from your skull one day, I will savor every second of your impalement.

Who did you talk to Arty? I am the diplomat no one from Dracul approached me about any arrangements.
Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: Artyem on October 31, 2012, 09:56:47 pm
Two of your members agreed, in game, that we could bring in a tiny amount of trade goods.  You were present, yourself, and you said nothing.  So our members assumed it was clear to trade.


At no point did you even attempt to get a hold of our leadership, you simply attacked an unarmed trade caravan that had done no true harm to your S&D.  You are to be held accountable for the screw up of your members, who offered no compensation for their own mistakes.


Of course, who could forget that your faction is harboring rebels of the Wallachian state.  New Ulburban was rightfully Draculian as it belonged to the Haven member TurmoilTom.  As we all know, Haven was a rebellious state of Dracul, and soon after their leadership perished they ran for refuge in several different directions.  The friend of my enemy is no friend of mine, Tanken.


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Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: TugBoat on October 31, 2012, 10:01:29 pm
What is this "In Game" you speak of. Clearly you would use normal means of DIPLOMACY and not try to shout your requests at us in the midst of battle when no one who actually is an officer or able to handle diplomatic means is able to answer you.

Sorry Arty, but if you had any grievances you should have spoken to the head DIPLOMAT or Tanken. You can Show your disapproval of what I say ((-1)) all you want, but I am speaking the truth. You know I am saying reasonable things. This is a diplomatic issue of trade, and none of the people who handle diplomacy were approached. Instead of talkign to us about it even after the fact to perhaps seek reparations you declare war, because you are a  ball squire of FCC and think you're untouchable and want to prosper off of our war.

For once, I'd like someone to declare war and be honest about it, it'd go something like this.

"KUTT is being attacked by FCC so I'm jumping in to try to get my piece of the pie. KUTT doesn't deserve it, but I don't give a fuck I want to profit."

I'd have respect for that.
Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: ednos on October 31, 2012, 10:08:12 pm
There's a very good reason clans post their contact information in very public places. If someone ever contacts ThatGoofballOnYonderWagon (formerly ThatRetardOnTheShortBus) and expects that his response is an official SWF response, I won't know whether to laugh or cry.

There's really no excuse for missing the KUTT thread.
Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: Tanken on October 31, 2012, 10:12:06 pm
Two of your members agreed, in game, that we could bring in a tiny amount of trade goods.  You were present, yourself, and you said nothing.  So our members assumed it was clear to trade.


At no point did you even attempt to get a hold of our leadership, you simply attacked an unarmed trade caravan that had done no true harm to your S&D.  You are to be held accountable for the screw up of your members, who offered no compensation for their own mistakes.

False, False, anddddddd False.


Never, have I ever approved trade in-game, and do I ever recollect you guys asking for trade whatsoever. Many people can tell you (ask NH) I reach out everytime that someone enters our territory unapproved before I attack them (or at least used to) and attempted to correct them. I did so in your case too, but you weren't online on steam, and I didn't bother with PMs since the site was down.

Read our Faction Hall page--Ultimately I can only give approval, and had you actually did as you said, and asked for approval, then you would have received it. There is also two fiefs that were KUTT's at the time that were open trading to public--Ulburban and Reyvadin. You bypassed both and attempted to head deeper.

Once again, I can't help your mistake, but please don't play it off as anything other than your mistake. And don't label this war (like Fallen) anything other than just personal Greed.

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Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: TurmoilTom on October 31, 2012, 10:17:08 pm
I'm still curious as to who the two people are who accepted your trade caravan in-game.
Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: Tanken on October 31, 2012, 10:19:10 pm
I'm still curious as to who the two people are who accepted your trade caravan in-game.

So am I. Pretty sure absolutely every KUTT member, regardless if they're a fief owner, they have and always have known I have to approve trade and not them.
Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: Artyem on October 31, 2012, 10:19:24 pm
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Except your blatantly lying. Our merchant was attacked south of New Karindi in route to Reyvadin. Enough is enough with this discussion I will not bother talking to somebody who is just trying to save face by lying.

Our declaration stands, the war continues and once again KUTT and its leadership shows it's not above lying to try and push around a small clan.

Good day to you sir.

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Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: TugBoat on October 31, 2012, 10:21:42 pm
I'm not sure how declaring war on a skeleton faction is fun, perhaps your definition of fun is different than mine, but I enjoy fair fights.

If we're lying , prove it or shut up please. I have an excellent reputation for honesty, in fact I piss people off with how blunt and honest I can be. If you can prove I'm telling a lie I will give you 100,000 cRPG gold.
Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: Artyem on October 31, 2012, 10:22:45 pm
I'm not sure how declaring war on a skeleton faction is fun, perhaps your definition of fun is different than mine, but I enjoy fair fights.

How is a large 50+ man faction against a 13 man faction fair?

Of course we'd wait until you guys were kicked down a level.
Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: Tanken on October 31, 2012, 10:25:06 pm
Except your blatantly lying. Our merchant was attacked south of New Karindi in route to Reyvadin. Enough is enough with this discussion I will not bother talking to somebody who is just trying to save face by lying.

Our declaration stands, the war continues and once again KUTT and its leadership shows it's not above lying to try and push around a small clan.

Good day to you sir.

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Please, how am I lying Arty? I have been nothing but straight forward and truthful. I can't help that you didn't get approval from me, and that you can't recollect what these fake members' names were. You should come out and have a pair of balls and just say you're doing it to be greedy and not coat it in some other shit that you think justifies any of it. Had you actually asked, and followed the protocol that no other clan EXCEPT you and Fallen have had trouble with, then you would have preserved your trade.

TL;DR Prove it.

Just tired of other clans taking any chance they can to shit on us and our quickly tarnishing reputation in an attempt to raise themselves up a little higher. Your clan included. We've been fair to everyone (except SWF, we just had to exchange blows with them and Ednos and I are pretty cool now) but even then with that confrontation the slander campaign was set against us. I swear, I feel like KUTT is a candidate running for election right now the amount of false shit that gets thrown at us and spread around and since a lot of people are against us by nature and alliance they just go along with whatever they say.

Hell, someone could come in here and declare war on us and say that the reason they're doing so is that I'm a child-molesting heroine addict ball-loving jersey-shore watching scumbag, and most people would probably believe it despite anything we say against it.
Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: TugBoat on October 31, 2012, 10:25:31 pm
It's been established that our active strat players is closer to 15, also a ton of our resources have already been spent, and we have no method of income now that we have people marauding all our members. How do you expect a fair fight? I used to like you when I was in Dracul Arty, so did Tanken, but your behavior right now is pretty despicable and pathetic, especially towards two former members of your faction who left on good terms
Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: Herr_Thomas on October 31, 2012, 10:36:18 pm
The day this happened I talked with applesauce, trying to figure out what was going on

He said he got permission from 2 members in game 1 month ago. This 1 month ago was well before we decided to close our borders, which would nullify all existing trade agreements unless renewed with us. Besides, they may have said that because, as stated before, our borders weren't closed so you wouldn't have even needed to talk to us to do any trading. People usually don't take 1 month to transport 100 goods, and what exactly were the origins of those goods? Another point I want to bring up is, if you wanted some good fights, I feel joining the side that is already heavily outnumbering the other is a bad choice.

Also, WOLF_GANG is declaring war on Tanken_Psyduck_KUTT for being a child-molesting heroine addict ball-loving jersey-shore watching scumbag and I have tons of proof showing that he is.
Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: TurmoilTom on October 31, 2012, 10:39:08 pm
Also, WOLF_GANG is declaring war on Tanken_Psyduck_KUTT for being a child-molesting heroine addict ball-loving jersey-shore watching scumbag and I have tons of proof showing that he is.

Yeah, I'm with Wolf on this one.

I know for a fact that one month ago 6 children told me that Tanken molested them. I can't remember their names and I have absolutely no proof that they said this but you guys still believe me, right?
Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: Artyem on October 31, 2012, 10:39:53 pm
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Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: Tanken on October 31, 2012, 10:41:26 pm
Wolfgang brings up a good point, beside the war declaration, of our borders used to be open.


Sure, at that time if someone had granted or said it was okay, then it would most likely mean it was okay while borders were open. However, since borders were closed and as stated in the thread for diplomacy all trade agreements needed to be agreed upon again, then you, as a failed diplomat, are responsible for not keeping up on Strategus news and other clans' diplomacy.

If what you said in that sob-story thread (in which I stuck up for you guys) about people always bashing on your clan was true, then show it here. Because as Tugboat said, you're being pathetic. You're blaming us for your mistake and not just coming clean and saying what it is you truly are here for--Greed.


Also Wolfgang, bring it on bitch. I'm DTF

Well, I can't say you left on good terms.  Considering that I even forgot that either of you were in my clan up until a few weeks ago.  You don't talk to us, and I find it hard to take half of your leadership seriously most of the time because how much you guys troll in game and on the forums.  I don't recall you guys ever getting in TS when you were in the clan, and you jumped at the chance to leave  when the whole H thing went down.  How can you say you left on good terms when you didn't even leave a notice with anyone actually in the clan when you left.  I don't even you guys talking to me, or Deltah, or Bangor...

Did we just get called Trolls by DRACUL? Also, we left because you were a poor leader and you were never around. Pretty much why Haven and everyone else that was once in your clan left too with the exceptions of some others.
Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: TurmoilTom on October 31, 2012, 10:47:19 pm
Wait, Tanken and Tug used to be in Dracul? Am I reading this right?

Goddamn. Learn a new thing every day.

I guess I'm still a new guy.
Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: Artyem on October 31, 2012, 10:50:27 pm
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Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: Tanken on October 31, 2012, 10:54:38 pm
Everyone needs to re-read this thread, anything said in a spoiler is out of character.  Everything outside of a spoiler is in character.  You shouldn't be taking the non-spoiler posts so seriously.  I said that we're actually in this war for the sole fact that it may be our only opportunity to actually engage in some combat of our own.

This is the god-damned diplomacy section, you need to calm the fuck down before you get muted (again).  It's a game, not your real life engagement.


Whoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Someone's mad. Don't be mad Arty. We're keeping this game and Diplomacy related. I'm just poking holes in your argument, as any good diplomat would do. So far you've failed to do so. Oh wait, can't take spoilers seriously  :mad:


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Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: Relit on October 31, 2012, 10:57:06 pm

Whoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Someone's mad. Don't be mad Arty. We're keeping this game and Diplomacy related. I'm just poking holes in your argument, as any good diplomat would do. So far you've failed to do so. Oh wait, can't take spoilers seriously  :mad:


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At the risk of being warned. Holy crap Tanken, are you serious? If hes mad, then you must be frothing at the mouth.
Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: Spanish on October 31, 2012, 10:57:50 pm
 

Just tired of other clans taking any chance they can to shit on us and our quickly tarnishing reputation in an attempt to raise themselves up a little higher. Your clan included. We've been fair to everyone (except SWF, we just had to exchange blows with them and Ednos and I are pretty cool now) but even then with that confrontation the slander campaign was set against us. I swear, I feel like KUTT is a candidate running for election right now the amount of false shit that gets thrown at us and spread around and since a lot of people are against us by nature and alliance they just go along with whatever they say.

Hell, someone could come in here and declare war on us and say that the reason they're doing so is that I'm a child-molesting heroine addict ball-loving jersey-shore watching scumbag, and most people would probably believe it despite anything we say against it.

This is just how the forums are Tanken, post anything to stick up for your clan and get bashed by massive amounts of bullshit that's been twisted and garbled. The only people who have been really able to stop bullshit propaganda is Fallen they pull that off real well with their evil Zagush kittens. In any case you can't win except to go silent or post simple concise statements. In any case it matters little why they declare war just that they did and let's see if their Dracul enough to take on Kutt.
Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: Tanken on October 31, 2012, 10:59:19 pm
At the risk of being warned. Holy crap Tanken, are you serious? If hes mad, then you must be frothing at the mouth.

I get warned on a daily basis for nothing. I just wanted to put something that he can't get mad at in a Spoiler. I've poked holes in every argument he's presented and In-Character he still presents this as our fault, though he's clearly been corrected but still sticks to his guns.

I didn't take this to the personal insult level--he did. I'm just poking fun at his leadership now and why we never even felt the need to give our resignation like one and a half years ago and how he still is clinging to that.
Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: Keshian on October 31, 2012, 11:01:04 pm



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POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK.
Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: TugBoat on October 31, 2012, 11:03:13 pm
((Arty you weren't active when I was in Dracul which is why you weren't aware of Tanken or myself. We talked to Allers about it at the time, who was the most active and best Dracul member at the time. We left because of the bad attitude and trolling done by Dracul. We still liked you guys but didn't enjoy being called out for being in a troll clan all the time when we didn't ever do anything wrong ourselves. I'm sorry if it hurt your feelings that we didn't inform a nonexistant leader that was never around that we were leaving?))
Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: Relit on October 31, 2012, 11:03:32 pm
I get warned on a daily basis for nothing. I just wanted to put something that he can't get mad at in a Spoiler. I've poked holes in every argument he's presented and In-Character he still presents this as our fault, though he's clearly been corrected but still sticks to his guns.

I didn't take this to the personal insult level--he did. I'm just poking fun at his leadership now and why we never even felt the need to give our resignation like one and a half years ago and how he still is clinging to that.

What the... You insulted him and he didn't even bring up you being in Dracul. You did and you said you left Dracul on good terms... then insult his leadership and say you left without even saying anything to the leaders. I am in awe of how badly this entire thing is portraying everyone involved.
Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: Tanken on October 31, 2012, 11:05:21 pm
POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK.

Hey Kesh! Glad to see my report for your Spoiler got you a nice green watch like myself. Welcome to the club.


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As for the personal level, re-read what he said. I never said that I left on good terms, Tugboat did. Tugboat and I left because Arty was never around, there was no one even there to give notice to or to care about us being gone so we just dropped tags and moved on.
Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: TurmoilTom on October 31, 2012, 11:28:00 pm
I think there's too much love in this thread. Hate each other more, please. Be right back, gotta get me some pop-corn and a two-gallon drum of Coca Cola. Anyone got some Twizzlers they can share?

But anyway, here's a TL;DR version of this thread for those who are too lazy to read it:

Dracul declares war on KUTT. There is no real, understandable reason that can be proved for doing so.
Everyone hates everyone else.
Kesh mentions something about pot. I think he may be doing drugs. Not sure.

No, really. That's it. That is all that has happened in this thread so far.
Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: Tanken on October 31, 2012, 11:33:51 pm
3 Pages to get that far Tom.



I'm guilty.

I'll handle the insults and OOCness on Steam. Adieu.
Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: Herr_Thomas on October 31, 2012, 11:34:28 pm
I think there's too much love in this thread. Hate each other more, please. Be right back, gotta get me some pop-corn and a two-gallon drum of Coca Cola. Anyone got some Twizzlers they can share?

But anyway, here's a TL;DR version of this thread for those who are too lazy to read it:

Dracul declares war on KUTT. There is no real, understandable reason that can be proved for doing so.
Everyone hates everyone else.
Kesh mentions something about pot. I think he may be doing drugs. Not sure.

No, really. That's it. That is all that has happened in this thread so far.


You forgot to mention that WOLF GANG will be seeking retribution against Tanken_Psyduck_KUTT for all the poor children he has molested.
Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: Lemmy_Winks on October 31, 2012, 11:59:16 pm
3 Pages to get that far Tom.



I'm guilty.

I'll handle the insults and OOCness on Steam. Adieu.

As entertaining as this drama has been, there comes a time and place for everyone when they realize they should just stop argueing with 12 year olds on the internet. Hopefully that time has come for you tanken and you wont feel the need to continue arguing with these people cause its pointless, just ignore them.
Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: Tears of Destiny on November 01, 2012, 12:00:40 am
And don't label this war (like Fallen) anything other than just personal Greed.

If you guys just came out and told everyone it was for Greed, which it is, people would most likely just say "Well, yeah, it is. Fuck it."




Erm...


[[My FIRST In-Character post]]
"...the Coalition marches once more for plunder and riches..."




FUCK YEAH MONEY AND RICHES (sounds pretty greedy to me)




And erm, when someone asked for clarification my FIRST reply was...


[[My FIRST out-of-character post]]
...Greed, bloodlust, boredom, survival considering our neighbors and the future of the area...
Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: Tanken on November 01, 2012, 12:07:26 am
Yeah yeah Tears, yeah yeah.


It's the fact that your members tried to argue about it being about the trade mistakes on your end that was the reason for it that I said what I said.

Aside from that..

Talked to Arty on Steam, cooled some tempers and said I'm sorry for resorting to insulting him. He isn't a bad leader and we set apart our differences about it. Basically what it comes down to is a misinterpretation of our rules and the words said back when borders were open being extended further than what was expected to be given.

So, sorry about looking like an ass to you Arty. You're a good guy, enjoy yourself in Strategus.
Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: TheAppleSauceMan on November 01, 2012, 12:17:46 am
Some drama up in here. I'm just here for the x5.
Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: ednos on November 01, 2012, 01:20:15 am
I will not bother talking to somebody who is just trying to save face by lying.

How ironic...
Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: Smiling Daemon on November 01, 2012, 04:28:44 pm
I was actually enjoying the RP and in character posts until they ended.
Title: Re: Retribution
Post by: Boss_Awesome on November 01, 2012, 10:31:05 pm
I was actually enjoying the RP and in character posts until they ended.

Same here.  There aren't very many openly evil clans so the RP from Dracul is a nice change from the standard righteous knights type of thing.