It's sort of bugged. ATH should reduce WPF, but now it also reduces PD (resulting in the "your proficiency is too low" message).
This is one of those obligatory threads that states that you'll quit the game if the changes aren't reverted, right?
Wouldn't it make sense to wait until the bug is fixed to make judgments like that?
If the change to Athletics changing WPF works the way I think it does I don't think your build will be too hurt by the patch once the bug is fixed.
Personal opinion, not involved with balancing.
Gotta admit, this changed hit a lot of builds that can not really retire or respec due to being high level hard.
Some people now have entirely useless builds.
Personally I do not care that much since I am slightly above 31 and don't mind scrapping it by retiring but if you are 32+ and made the "mistake" of having more than 3 or 4 ath you are fucked now.
This is an accuracy comparison at 9ath and 181 wpf.
Before patch:(click to show/hide)
After patch:(click to show/hide)
Both being max accuracy with the difference that now after the patch that max accuracy window is there for a split second while before it was about 1-1.5 secs.
This is a huge difference and basically made some builds entirely useless.
While I see how lots of ranged haters are happy with this, not a single one of you would like to lose hundreds of hours of gametime because something was implemented that forces you to respec/retire.
It's more like removing turning while chambering a swing or completely removing the forcefield from shields than adjusting some weapon stats or capping speed on archers.
I really hope at least the guys that got hit hard by this get a free respec, afterwards you all can prepare for way harder hitting archers and trust me there will be more whine :wink:
EDIT: fixed 181 agi for 181 wpf to hide my secret :mrgreen:
Some people are forced to play range class because of shitty internet.THIS.
Say, how about you try the awesome part of this game instead of the fps with very low bullet speed you've been wasting two years on?
Plz..... try throwing then comeback an whine...(click to show/hide)
Every change, as tiny as it might be, will be hitting Builds, will be restraining a lot of players, but when you installed the mod you accepted the terms of what a Beta version means.Wanna see you cry when your build will be nerfed for a least 1 point of something
Hence, either adapt or simply avoid it like the plague.
Curiously, I'm having way, way more fun playing archer now than I did before.+1 only for that warm word...
I have a level 30 18/24 6 pd 8 wm 3 ath war bow archer alt, which isn't terrible but isn't particularly great post-patch.
I've been running a STF 30/12 10 pd 4 wm 0 ath long bow archer since the patch, which is launching high speed, super accurate tomahawk missiles.
I think the change will turn out not to be so bad, at least for dedicated archer builds.
For....over 2 years, I have had ONE favorite class. Noone has ever complained it was OP, noone ever cried for it to be nerfed, but it was.
Over and over it was.
Some people are forced to play range class because of shitty internet.
Wanna see you cry when your build will be nerfed for a least 1 point of something
Curiously, I'm having way, way more fun playing archer now than I did before.
I have a level 30 18/24 6 pd 8 wm 3 ath war bow archer alt, which isn't terrible but isn't particularly great post-patch.
I've been running a STF 30/12 10 pd 4 wm 0 ath long bow archer since the patch, which is launching high speed, super accurate tomahawk missiles.
I think the change will turn out not to be so bad, at least for dedicated archer builds.
How about you try playing archer for a gen or two?I'm sorry but I just can't understand people that spend two their two years in the best medieval melee combat game ever created as an archer. They are just squandering the awesome gameplay mechanics that this game has. It's like spending all your time bowling while playing GTA IV.
You sure sound like you have no idea what you are talking about but more like that random hater.
I'm sorry but I just can't understand people that spend two their two years in the best medieval melee combat game ever created as an archer. They are just squandering the awesome gameplay mechanics that this game has. It's like spending all your time bowling while playing GTA IV.
I have never and will never try archery for a complete gen, because it bores me after an hour and I grab my pickaxe and go melee on people's asses.
amount of archers dropping already, change successful, good job team
While I see how lots of ranged haters are happy with this, not a single one of you would like to lose hundreds of hours of gametime because something was implemented that forces you to respec/retire.
I'm sorry but I just can't understand people that spend two their two years in the best medieval melee combat game ever created as an archer. They are just squandering the awesome gameplay mechanics that this game has. It's like spending all your time bowling while playing GTA IV.
I have never and will never try archery for a complete gen, because it bores me after an hour and I grab my pickaxe and go melee on people's asses.
amount of archers dropping already, change successful, good job team
If you want a game about melee only, go google. Warband is not melee only. And it should never be. Hell, without any Archery, how fucking boring it would be?It would, that's is why I am glad there are people who for some reason like to fulfill the shitty part of the game, albeit that there is mostly too many.
So basically what I said, no idea what you are talking about.Has jack shit to do with anything, melee combat makes this game, that is barely an opinion.
good old cmp and his continued campaign to destroy everything good or fun in the game.
This already happened to me (as in, me and many, many people and especially not archers) like twice you know, and I'm probably one of the worst "ranged haters" in the mod.
It's just that I never invested all my time in high level bundle of sticksry. People can cry all the tears of the ocean about heirlooms, they aren't half as helpful in battle as being high level is. But there's a price for everything. The price of being high level is the lack of flexibility. Everybody knows patches come with balance changes. When they decided to go 33+, they knew what they signed for. Other people never got free respecs even in cases of changes way worse than this, starting to give some now would be extremely unfair.
Has jack shit to do with anything, melee combat makes this game, that is barely an opinion.
Maybe my memory fails me but I don't remember any change during the last year+ that made builds entirely useless.How about cavalry being messed up by the radically different riding prerequisites, or the PD lowering wpf making several builds suddenly screaming about too low of a proficiency? How about those poor bastards with high PD builds that the last set of mechanics punished anything past 6PD due to the friction values and large advantage of WPF agi archer builds equaling the same damage at anything past point blank and WITH the added advantage of more accuracy?
i am dreading the new powerarchers, more then i ever hated kiting tbh... trust me archers now will be 1/2 shot machines and it will make the ranged whine worse than ever.^^
if leveling an archer is so horrible why play it? :D
i don't feel bad for archers at all. if i spent hours and hours levelling a build based solely around exploiting a broken game mechanic, i would not be upset when things changed and it didn't work anymore, and i certainly wouldn't ask for a free respec. i mean - the #1 whine on the forums for the past month+ has been kiting archers, did you think it was going to go untouched? (well, that's not THAT unreasonable)
pretty much any melee will have at least 3x the weight you do on them
1. Respec
2. Put points in riding instead of athletics
3. ??????
4. Profit
how about a free (1 time) respec givaway for all without xp penalties ? :shock:Or, how about removing leveling and looms and giving everyone a level 30 build that they are allowed to respec at whatever time they want.
How about all you respec whiners read what was written in the bug thread...IT'S A BUG!
Jeez less complaining more reading. :rolleyes:
Or, how about removing leveling and looms and giving everyone a level 30 build that they are allowed to respec at whatever time they want.
Screw looms, screw levels, screw grinding. Just keep the persistent character.
i was not whining and i'm not an archer , i just don't like people quit and qq just for a bug.
Quite so, ol' mate. I switch between 3g internet and normal broadband, and with 3g internet anything other than archery is complete shit.
Well if everyone wasn't so busy saying how bad the change was in the thread and instead read it before posting, we'd be 10 times less rage than we are now.
Just play another class until they fix the bug.
If they can't take the full credit for the idea, they won't work on it.It's more likely a matter of this change being really easy to implement compared to other suggestions.
It's more likely a matter of this change being really easy to implement compared to other suggestions.
2012-10-31 In before the "OMG ARCHERS DO TOO MUCH DAMAGE" whine.
I'll quote this when the time comes :mrgreen:
Bring in ideas in stead of whining.I still think the idea of reducing the sprint speed of players holding a bow (sheathed or unsheathed) is a solid one. Sprint speed is rarely a factor in melee combat, so hybrids would still be able to defend themselves.
I still think the idea of reducing the sprint speed of players holding a bow (sheathed or unsheathed) is a solid one. Sprint speed is rarely a factor in melee combat, so hybrids would still be able to defend themselves.
I agree. Too bad it can't be modded.
Or, how about removing leveling and looms and giving everyone a level 30 build that they are allowed to respec at whatever time they want.So basically native with custom equipment and skills - AKA Mercenaries.
Screw looms, screw levels, screw grinding. Just keep the persistent character.
I'm sorry but I just can't understand people that spend two their two years in the best medieval melee combat game ever created as an archer. They are just squandering the awesome gameplay mechanics that this game has. It's like spending all your time bowling while playing GTA IV.ha, I feel exactly like you on this matter. When I try archer I am so glad when I can finally go into melee. But there is one difference, I can perfectly understand why people (not me) would have fun with this.
I have never and will never try archery for a complete gen, because it bores me after an hour and I grab my pickaxe and go melee on people's asses.
ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED?
Do this and I uninstall, thats obviously not a threat, its just what I feel.
good old casimir always spewing bullshit unaware that the change was made by shik
I'm sorry but I just can't understand people that spend two their two years in the best medieval melee combat game ever created as an archer. They are just squandering the awesome gameplay mechanics that this game has. It's like spending all your time bowling while playing GTA IV.
I have never and will never try archery for a complete gen, because it bores me after an hour and I grab my pickaxe and go melee on people's asses.
OMG you're alive!
http://forum.meleegaming.com/general-off-topic/rip-smoothrich/
Oh, that's the explanation. Shik has like 10-11 PD, so biased!
1. That's my line.
He be back they ALWAYS come back
i was trapped under rubble with the water levels rising ready to give up on life, then i close my eyes and prayed for the first and last time, and heard a whisper in a voice so clear, filled with hope, and it said..
"ranged.. was.. nerfed..."
and i gained unbelievable strength, and began digging my way out, emerging from the debris just in time to see a new dawn rise
1. That's my line.found him! Go!
2. This guy was already got an account permabanned and came back, so no fear of him leaving anytime soon.
3. Even if he leaves: meh, not much lost.
Lol. Go then.. Like you can go.. Wheres the Blue Dude with his bodybag post?It's already been posted here...
Edit: found him! Go!
He'll be back. They always come back.
The only way to leave cRPG is in a body bag.
It's already been posted here...leave threat thread complete
But because of popular demand:
He'll be back. They always come back.Everyone join the body bag bandwagon!
The only way to leave cRPG is in a body bag.
i was trapped under rubble with the water levels rising ready to give up on life, then i close my eyes and prayed for the first and last time, and heard a whisper in a voice so clear, filled with hope, and it said..
"ranged.. was.. nerfed..."
and i gained unbelievable strength, and began digging my way out, emerging from the debris just in time to see a new dawn rise
Say, how about you try the awesome part of this game instead of the fps with very low bullet speed you've been wasting two years on?this is exactly what it is people are whinning that they cant play call of duty/other first person shooters in mount and blade based on melee (in my opinion)
Not the best solution to kiting bundle of sticksry if you ask me. How about:
- when bow is drawn ath is divided by 3
or
- archery WPF reduces run speed (the other way round)
Imho better solutions that don't toy with archer accuracy and shouldn't force archers to respec.
I mean.. shouldn't be THAT many archers over lvl 33.
Perhaps one could make an application-type thing, where 33+ archers could apply for a respec. It would be some manual work on part of Meow?, but not insurmountable work.
As a first gen Long Spear (former Pike, if some of you remember) user, I had to adjust my build countless times due to changes and I don't feel any pity for archers. I even had to quit the Long Spear, because I didn't have any fun with it anymore.
I do think that Hybrids, such as the build in the first post, should be still viable. Just because they are very rare and somewhat unique.
Pretty sure it was said on irc yesterday that this whole ath thing was gonna be removed next patch and there will be a different approach to the whole kiting thing.
So do not respec.
No one believes me. :lol: Glad you're putting paw power behind it.Global Moderater and Admin. Why would they listen to you?