Well, now the German/Danish greatswords have been made slightly worse, only 90 speed and lost some damage.
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you forgot they also gave 2h the highest cut weapon to mix it up some more
Persian Battle Axe
Type:Two handed weapon
Requirement:17 strength
Weight:4.5
Slots:2
Upkeep:429 gold
Shop price:6,132 gold
Value:3,066 gold
Speed:90
Length:95
Swing:48 cut
Bonus against shield
Unbalanced
all in all good job :D
They gained some damage.
Katana is made slower not faster... But gained some damage!Neither do I, but I really know nothing about japanese warfare so cannot really speak about them.
Anyway I don't understand why a longer and heavier Sword can be faster than Katana or as fast as it. (HBS, BS)
U rly do hate greatswords Moncho O.o, i was completely correct.
Why dont u go 2h with ur main, and then pick danish. Lol, hf..
PS: Anyone wanna buy an ''op'' danish greatsword? Even i cba anymore.
I do not hate them, I just think they should have that place instead of an extremely good at all that they had before. Same as with 1hers, you have the hard hitting but shorter ones (cleavers), hard and fast but even shorter (niuweidao and similars), then you can go with the long ones and get different degrees of stab and slash qualities (from lee, going through arming and NCS to scimitar, which does not even have a stab). Each has its purpose, and they are mostly your preference, but with greatswords you did not have this dilemma, now you do, which is what I like about this change.
About going 2her on my main, I started this gen as it, but respecced because I was getting shot to pieces, so I just went back to my classic shielder. I still get shot often, but I can at least walk with a bit more calm, and have more fun, which is what the game is about after all.
GTX just because you only want to use the most powerful weapons it doesn't mean that the Danish is now useless. Danish was the most offered loom on the market long before this patch and its still a bad ass sword. The Danish was OP. If everyone uses the same damn sword there must be a reason right :P
No. Polearms use different kind of animations than 2h, so you can't really compare two different classes of weapons.
For example, some 1h can reach as far as 2h with right swing, but with left swing its a different story.
Also, from realism perspective, ever wondered why shorter 2h axes are unbalanced and longer polearm axes aren't? It's because the grip is wider on polearms.
Not only it was the most offered, but also the most requested (now it is the great sword) simply because it was so widely used that they changed hands fast. Simply because their number was so high, as it was very powerful (I am not saying OP) and a lot of people used it, some for the look, but most for its effectivity.
I wanna use the most powerful weapon? Ive kept my sword because of the look, style, name and because it was my first weapon. I had it for 2 and a half year, through all patches and nerfs. Yet u say i only want op weapons? go fuck off. Pretty much none of u has sticked with the same weapon, like i did.
No it wasent, but all the 2h danish hate makes it look like it. And if it was so op, why was it the most offered? People wouldent give out their greatest weapon. It was never high on the request list, it was around number 7. So if it was so op, why was the demand way lower, than what they were given out at, thats the exact opposite of what should happen.
for me is time to try DGS again because at last is balanced atm,Like people have whined about every class in the game, but im not allowed, when my weapon is horrible compared to other weapons like the glaive?
I have offer for you my alwpike+3 for yours danish and 250k
ahh you are whining hipocrite
HAAAAH, after reading I almost got frightened that my regular native Greatsword also got a speed nerf. It didnt, thank god.Have u played for 2 and a half year?
You are wrong GTX, atleast I have always played with one and the same weapon(exept 1 gen when I went arbalest for lolz). My Native Greatsword is my baby, first thing I ever loomed and used, it is a symbol of my nerdiness and will to grind. :lol:
PS: And GTX you are not allowed to whine about every other class in the game like other people since you whine too much already about other stuff. :lol:
Sry if I offended you, it was not my intention.
I wanna use the most powerful weapon? Ive kept my sword because of the look, style, name and because it was my first weapon. I had it for 2 and a half year, through all patches and nerfs. Yet u say i only want op weapons? go fuck off. Pretty much none of u has sticked with the same weapon, like i did.
No it wasent, but all the 2h danish hate makes it look like it. And if it was so op, why was it the most offered? People wouldent give out their greatest weapon. It was never high on the request list, it was around number 7. So if it was so op, why was the demand way lower, than what they were given out at, thats the exact opposite of what should happen.
PS:I have been known to a be danish greatsword fanboy, because i love the sword and im danish irl. I had it for 2 and a half year, yet im selling mine now.... thats says something. If i dont want the danish, then who does?
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but than again the japanese did make this weapon a masterpiece when it came to cuttingpower.
Reverse psychology?
No one wants to play 2h danish hero because it got the nerf that was long overdue for it. Now your nearly on the same playing field as 1handers and polearm users, hell even some other 2h users.
Welcome to the club! here your not god anymore :twisted:
It does not make much sense to me.
You held onto it for 2 and half years, among other things because you are Danish as well, but you want to trade it after it had it's 2 points from speed migrated into increased pierce and cutting damage?
To me it is kind of disappointed that you want to sell it. If there was a weapon named after my country, I would NEVER get rid of it, regardless of stats.
BTW, I disagree that losing 2 speed is such a big nerf. Speed is overrated imo... I mean, my current MW weapon's speed that I duel with are as follows:
1h - 94
pole - 88
and I do just fine.
I bet you can still kill as many people as before, but you let the "-2 on speed" take its toll on your concentration.
To me it is kind of disappointed that you want to sell it. If there was a weapon named after my country, I would NEVER get rid of it, regardless of stats.ha, that's exactly the reason why I never touched Tears since it got renamed, but that's probably typical german...
I have tested it, but i havent actually played at all, with the intention of just having fun. I only played to test it out, and yeah...... Based on the tests, i just wont have fun playing with it.
To me it is kind of disappointed that you want to sell it. If there was a weapon named after my country, I would NEVER get rid of it, regardless of stats.yes i want the Dutch Great Sword plz 8-)
Maybe you should let someone else play with your sword, or play with someone else's.(click to show/hide)
yes i want the Dutch Great Sword plz 8-)Considering what I know of the Dutchmen, this is the stats I would give it:
Dutch Greatsword
weight: 5 (they are all fat bastards)
difficulty: 6 (all the weed makes them easy to be around/use)
speed rating: 80 (but sadly it also makes them a bit slow)
thrust damage: 20 pierce (stick them with the pointy end is something they're not familiar with)
swing damage: 30 (neither are they very sharp)
slots: 2
weapon length: 200 (because, well, you know what I'm talking about!)
Not sure about the Danish, but I like the new German.
It was actually meant the other way.(click to show/hide)
It was actually meant the other way.
All the stats and all the commentary I wrote was bad insulting towards them, but it doesn't matter because the hilariously long "reach" of the Dutchmen :D
If you don't know, the Dutch have the largest average penis size in Europe.
Ah crap. Guess I remembered wrong. My joke is ruined D:
Orly? Check this out:(click to show/hide)
France? Big dick size? Yeah good joke :lol:Their sizes were self reported. That is not a joke.
Their sizes were self reported. That is not a joke.Hehe, that would explain a lot.
PS:I have been known to a be danish greatsword fanboy, because i love the sword and im danish irl. I had it for 2 and a half year, yet im selling mine now.... thats says something. If i dont want the danish, then who does?I will :) medium tier two-handers have certainly come out on top stat-wise but I'm actually content with the nerf (and yes it's a nerf, speed is important and they were already hard-hitting); now DGS has become more exclusive, has lost some of its cheesyness in the community mind, and I can continue using a weapon particular to my forefathers that goes well with my early renaissance character theme without people thinking I'm a stat whore. I would use this sword no matter how much it was nerfed and it has been nerfed ever since it was introduced to cRPG (the by some argued current 'instastab' of great swords notwithstanding, I still haven't instastabbed even once with my balance-AGI build, except against unarmored people).
But in the end, it is the wielder and not the weapon that decides the outcome. :wink:
Frankly I haven't tried my +3 DGS yet post-patch, but I doubt it's as bad as some people (GTX... :rolleyes:) make it out.
But DGS nerf aside, I've really become fond of the Long Iron Mace, knockdown is so much fun when you're not the one sprawled on the floor ;)
Anyway, the change is pretty evident on the servers; much more 2h variety now, it's a blessing I think.
Now nerf some of the most popular polearms too :)
But in the end, it is the wielder and not the weapon that decides the outcome. :wink:the day i gave you a +1, i'm shocked
Frankly I haven't tried my +3 DGS yet post-patch, but I doubt it's as bad as some people (GTX... :rolleyes:) make it out.
Which polearms would that be?
There is no doubt what polearm is the most "op" right now, since the nerf of heavy lance.
It is the lance which does 5 more damage than the heavy lance. This really makes lance a better choice now.
And it is obvious when you look at the marketplace.
German seemed fine on siege. The pierce on half sword mode would be nice in tight corridors if it didnt go so slow with no wpf :(true, no one use that sword in that mode
true, no one use that sword in that modeI did when I was borrowing Hagurs +3 German. Worked like a charm in the close quarter combat on certain siege maps. Although I did have 100 polearm wpf (120 2h).
I wanna use the most powerful weapon? Ive kept my sword because of the look, style, name and because it was my first weapon. I had it for 2 and a half year, through all patches and nerfs. Yet u say i only want op weapons? go fuck off. Pretty much none of u has sticked with the same weapon, like i did.
You are a typical min-maxxer. I see you have offered your Danish for the Sword of War, which has near equivalent stats to the Danish pre-patch (minus length, correct me if im wrong). Don't feed this bullshit about "AWWW I AM DANISH I LUV DA DANISH". If we are to say that the DGS was the best 2h pre-patch, the Sword of War is it's successor in terms of weapon stats.Go fuck off, i had the same weapon for longer than most people. I had it for 2 and a half year. So plz, im not gonna take that bullshit. U probably never had the same weapon for that long, yet u judge me?
I agree with OP, I think that the DGS was well needed in terms of balancing 2h. We will see a lot more variety, which is good :D!
I'll be reverting to the Great Sword as I like the 93 speed and i'm used to playing with that, I'm just pissed my DGS is not going to get a sale :(
Go fuck off, i had the same weapon for longer than most people. I had it for 2 and a half year. So plz, im not gonna take that bullshit. U probably never had the same weapon for that long, yet u judge me?
absolutely.
Selling a weapon because of a patch. Scum. I keep everything i loom cause it represents the work and TIME i put into the game to get this, and the loom is my reward, regardless of how good, or bad it is.
I have looms i barely even use, just because I want them in case I ever decide to have fun and not stat whore.
(also, one class for 2 1/2 years? no originality. Play something else, mix it up, you know...have fun!)
...41 cut, 25 pierce, 90 speed and 124 length.
I cant have fun with such a bad weapon,
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GTX, you are making too much noise considering Danish was not even nerfed, but rebalanced.
There are many more people that had their looms nerfed for real. Look at my balance after patch:
Heavy lance: -3 on thrust
Rus Bow: -1 on Damage, -2 on speed, -2 on accuracy, -1 on missle speed
Applying your logic I would have to decapitate whoever's responsible and shit down their throats.
U obv dont have the same meaning to what my logic means. Anyway cba anymore.soo there is one
Also, u are telling me to have fun, but at the same time that im a scum for selling a weapon i had for 2 and a half year?. I am selling that weapon, so i can have fun. I cant have fun with such a bad weapon, so im selling it and trying to get something, which i know i will have fun playing with.
Edit to leshma: What did u trade it for? Im finding it rather difficult.
What weird ass logic you have.
First one was for MW Awlpike which isn't that epic since it was straight trade (had better offer but I was dealing with experienced trader).shhhh
Second was MW Arba + 100k. Few hours later I've exchanged that MW Arba for MW GLA + 100k. In the end, I've got MW GLA + 200k for MW Danish and I think that's decent trade.
my MW longsword now 100 speed with 40 cut 25 stab.... love itnerf it!!!
Heavy Great Sword is heavy enough to stun many 1-shot shields and faster weapons now on held attacks. That's a powerful tool to have in one's arsenal.
Wait, what? After 2 years Heavy Great Sword isn't useless piece of shit anymore? ... At fifteen, I had the will to learn ; at thirty, I could stand ; at forty, I had no doubts ; at fifty, I understood the heavenly Bidding ; at sixty, my ears were opened ; at seventy, I could do as my heart lusted without trespassing from the square.. Now it's official. :rolleyes:look at stats its better than SoW is.... Sow is better than danish
more expensive PC always do better, right?
Heavy Great Sword is heavy enough to stun many 1-slot shields and faster weapons now on held attacks. That's a powerful tool to have in one's arsenal.
U obv dont have the same meaning to what my logic means. Anyway cba anymore.
look at stats its better than SoW is.... Sow is better than danish
i really love that balance on 2h weapoins
0.5 more weight makes it glance less....And stun more. Lesser chance to get stunned itself.
And stun more. Lesser chance to get stunned itself.and character's movement speed is lower.
and character's movement speed is lower.
0.5 more weight makes it glance less....Weight does not factor into damage (http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php?topic=168722.0), and glancing is purely a matter of failing to meet a fairly low damage threshold ('damage_interrupt_attack_threshold_mp' in the 'module.ini' file). Unless there is something I've missed (please point it out if I have), I can't see how weight would affect glances.
and character's movement speed is lower.naked you will be never to slowe :P
And stun more. Lesser chance to get stunned itself.
Weight does not factor into damage (http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php?topic=168722.0), and glancing is purely a matter of failing to meet a fairly low damage threshold ('damage_interrupt_attack_threshold_mp' in the 'module.ini' file). Unless there is something I've missed (please point it out if I have), I can't see how weight would affect glances.No no no, that's all wrong.
Weight is the most underrated stat when comparing weapons. I know that a large percentage of my deaths as a shielder are because someone smacked my shield with a held attack from a Bar Mace or similar, and my attempt at a counter-attack simply results in me standing there like an idiot because I was block stunned.
I think weapons can stun shields up to twice their weight, and the vast majority of 1-slot shields are 7 kg or less. I think weapons can only stun lighter weapons when they block (I'd love to know for sure), so a HGS wielder can run around holding thrusts and stun people from 2m away, then jump in for the kill. English Bill/Flamberge are in the next tier, being able to consistently stun people from ~1.75m, but right now HGS is king of long range+heavy weapons.
I have never seen anyone being stunned for so long, because they blocked, that he couldent block the next attack again.
Some people are very interested in my MW Two Handed sword. Haven't tried it yet tbh.still shitty weapon, at last for me.
I think weapons can only stun lighter weapons when they block (I'd love to know for sure)
Before the patch I had my block of German Greatsword stunned by longsword which really surprised me, so stunning weapon doesn't have to be heavier but it has n-times bigger chance if it weights more.
Still don't understand how somebody with 1,8 weight weapon could stun block of 2,5 weight weapon but it looks like it's possible then.
I have never seen anyone being stunned for so long, because they blocked, that he couldent block the next attack again.
What happens (at least to me):
-I block
-get stunned
-don't realize I'm stunned, so I try to counter-attack
-No attack occurs (I'm thinking "this must be lag", so I keep mashing attack button)
-I don't block, because in my brain, I'm thinking "it's my 'turn', so I get to attack now"
-I die
Having to block twice in a row without getting to attack in between is a rare enough occurrence in crpg that it totally throws most people off their rhythm. It's not like knockdown where you're like "oh, I'm on the ground, I can't attack now", the cues that you are stunned are much more subtle. By the time most players realize they are stunned, it's too late to switch to a block.
Fight some fast 1hs, and u gotta get used to it. They will try to double left swing constantly :P. It also usually works because of the pure speed, without too much footwork.
Anyway, so u could actually block the next attack, its just the stun throwing u off, when u want to attack back.