http://c-rpg.net/?page=equipinvall#!?page=itemdetail&id=667,667Whats different?
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Update servers.
I can't join EU1 anymore after I've downloaded the patch...
"WARNING The server version 0.289 is outdated - Please contact the server owner to update to the latest version [(0.290)]
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I can't play crpg after that patch
I can't join EU1 anymore after I've downloaded the patch...
"WARNING The server version 0.289 is outdated - Please contact the server owner to update to the latest version [(0.290)]
Thanks for your attention "
I can't play crpg after that patch
Update servers.QFT
Pretty sure that site always shows the speed as missile speed for all ranged weapons.old bug btw i think
I can't play on eu1 chadz, server kicks me out and says that the serer is outdated...
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Just want to say thanks for the update. I really thought since the announcement of M&B2 that we were done with updates. That what happens when I get out of the kitchen and start thinking
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Wait what, I lost all my armors heirlooms?!
Wait what, I lost all my armors heirlooms?!Damn it's back, stop trolling us!
New polearms yay!
75 pierce great lance :D
BALISTAAAAAAAAAAAOh, How I wish.
Anti-cav ? But you can use them on cav....
They are 31 pierce instead of 23 for great lance.
***i see what you did there
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Are they going to be useable on horse forever?
***chadz is cmp's bitch.
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Why the fuck would you make the game even slower? give every weapon +5 speed instead...buy longsword
Why are you creating/deleting new threads all the time D:
Danish/German GS got nerfed HARD!
buuut iron axe is now hardcore and HBS is as fast as katana
The mass loom reset he's doing is messing with all of his zystems
Longbow buffed/Rusbow nerfed?
katana got damage buffs - win.
weaboo STF incoming.
Damage buff (+1c) but speed rate nerf (-1)
Yus, and arballista has now 7.3 weight with knockdown and crushthrough on secondary mode (melee mode). :lol:
Time to go polearm, since danish/german is useless.how?
how?
i think that they are better now
If you want I can buy your danisch
Time to go polearm, since danish/german is useless.Greatswords are supposed to be slow, you shouldn't be able to swing a 5 foot long sword like an Arming Sword.
Greatswords are supposed to be slow, you shouldn't be able to swing a 5 foot long sword like an Arming Sword.
But a 160 lenght long stick with a giant piece of metal at the end, is suposed to be fast? Because even thoug there are 40 lenght more on the glaive, it is just as fast as the danish/german.
Plz buy my danish bobby.
2hers got faster animations, also, compare the grip between the weapons.
Light Strange armor + Khergit Black leather boots + Strange gauntlets + Black helmet = Football uniform, or better yet, rageball uniforms.Oh God, that looks so funny :D(click to show/hide)
Light Strange armor + Khergit Black leather boots + Strange gauntlets + Black helmet = Football uniform, or better yet, rageball uniforms.(click to show/hide)
Now all we need is the ability to dye our gear diff colors.http://forum.meleegaming.com/suggestions-corner/colored-armors/
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And where does it say that they got faster animations? And with the grip, the glaive is still longer.lol at this post.
omg waiting for changelog
Great, all grinders got a punch in the face :(That happened around 6 months-a year ago.
and many accounts still have the bug that they have a wrong items in their inventories..
We had to rollback to a backup about 5 hours ago, really sorry about that.please don't tell me that i will get my item back that i just traded?
Strat battles were postponed for 24h
please don't tell me that i will get my item back that i just traded?
Full plate archer on top with 20/4 K/D what the fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!
FUUUUUUUUU
hahahah on EU1?
Prob will, I did just now...stop trolling not funny. :mad: :mrgreen:
stop trolling not funny. :mad: :mrgreen:
stop trolling not funny. :mad: :mrgreen:
I panic bought a MW SoW lol, last thing I saw before site went back down was that it was gone.Panic trading on patch day, you sir must be a genious. Can't wait for all the cav who sold their Heavy Lances to get one of those new polearms only for it to be not usable on horseback soon.
Panic trading on patch day, you sir must be a genious. Can't wait for all the cav who sold their Heavy Lances to get one of those new polearms only for it to be not usable on horseback soon.
Can someone enlighten me plz..
Did they increase the weight on xbows an did nothing to nerf the kite ability for archers :?:
If so lol just lol..... :lol:
wut? yumi more accurate than rus bow?
wut? yumi more accurate than rus bow?same for long bow
75 pierce great lance :D
cRPG is alive once again! GreatNo, no, no.
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DGS/GGS lost two speed.
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rollback............lost 1 mil xp :(
rollback............lost 1 mil xp :(
Didn't play today at all, sweet.
Still feeling bad about the nerfs. :(
You are welcome, cRPG.hero!
DGS/GGS lost two speed.
Will there be some compensation?
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It's strange : I use the partisan with shield. So I get the new hoplite animation (wich is fine).
But when I block with my shield, it's like to have no shield at all.
Never played the game after patch
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Already made a whining thread about the changes
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What was the bug anyway?
I'm kinda worried about sayings of full plate archers, but it can't be worse than the kiting ones.A few archers trolled around on EU1, it was just going well out of coinsidence :P I dont think you have to worry, and kiting will most likely be dealth with as well :)
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Longbow buffed, Rusbow nerfed. Nice.
I am really curious as to why the arbalest is only .3 weight under the weight of a Maul... Can someone please explain this logic to me? why was it changed.
Well... doh... Apparently Archery is weak for kitting compared to Xbows
Xbow kiters need a nerf... heh... .............................................(click to show/hide)
Longbow buffed, Rusbow nerfed. Nice.
Actually, no.
Shop says:
Long Bow
missile speed: 40
weight: 3.3
accuracy: 103
difficulty: 6
speed rating: 50
missile speed: 40
thrust damage: 31 cut
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback
Inventory says:
Masterwork Long Bow
Type:Bow
Requirement:6 power draw
Weight:3,3
Slots:2
Upkeep:777 gold
Speed:42
Thrust:33 cut
Missile speed:42
Accuracy:104
That appears to be an increase in one accuracy (from old stats) and a decrease of 1 damage (speaking from masterwork and memory). Speed for the masterwork is 50, I just confused myself with those stats. :) Oh, and an increase from 1.7 weight to 3.3. Once again, that's if my memory serves me well. Really rather a minimal change that won't effect my personal game much at all.
Speed on my MW Longbow is 42...
Everything else is the same.
No changelog, no new 1handers, no new shields, buffing couching my old friends, nerfing the archers i love killing, and adding a footballhelmet... So far no fan of this new patch.
No changelog, no new 1handers, no new shields, buffing couching my old friends, nerfing the archers i love killing, and adding a footballhelmet... So far no fan of this new patch.What couching my old friends? Heavy lance got its damage raped and the only great lancers I ever see are myself and Corsair on alts. And stop calling it a football helmet, it is a glorious piece of Renaissance engineering which is a great addition to the mod. More Renaissance items please!
What couching my old friends? Heavy lance got its damage raped and the only great lancers I ever see are myself and Corsair on alts. And stop calling it a football helmet, it is a glorious piece of Renaissance engineering which is a great addition to the mod. More Renaissance items please!
So the game is even slower now? Plz, we need to speed the game up, not down.
Btw, why is a 123 2h only as fast as a 160 polearm? I know u obv dont like 2h, but this just seems a little over the top.
The english bill(174 lenght) and long awlpike(185 lenght) is only 1 speed slower than a 123 lenght sword.
165 lenght polearm is faster than a 123 lenght 2h.
120 lenght polearm is 93 speed, lol.
Oh well, time to see what more they changed, and why.
Its amazing how people vote down facts, i didnt even write an opinion.
PS: Made an offer, anyone wanna buy the ''op'' danish greatsword?
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still no details ?
still no details ?
there are. he says "details follow" and means the whole thread.
great lance got 75 damage thats whats up.So what? I have a 4 ps pure couch cav build and even with that build I get about 4x the score when I use a Heavy Lance instead of a Great Lance. The Great Lance mostly one shots anyway even with 4 ps, so effectively there will be zero change. There is still very little reason to use a Great Lance instead of a Heavy Lance and I am willing to bet that the amount of pure Great Lancers will not get higher than 3 on a server at any time.
All 4 are pretty much trhe same.
I like the amount of archers on EU_1 right now.lol yeah, its insane :mrgreen:
I like the amount of archers on EU_1 right now.
So what? I have a 4 ps pure couch cav build and even with that build I get about 4x the score when I use a Heavy Lance instead of a Great Lance. The Great Lance mostly one shots anyway even with 4 ps, so effectively there will be zero change. There is still very little reason to use a Great Lance instead of a Heavy Lance and I am willing to bet that the amount of pure Great Lancers will not get higher than 3 on a server at any time.
Great Lance was never OP and is not OP, now let me go oneshot a few plated chargers.
No changelog, no new 1handers, no new shields, buffing couching my old friends, nerfing the archers i love killing, and adding a footballhelmet... So far no fan of this new patch.
So what? I have a 4 ps pure couch cav build and even with that build I get about 4x the score when I use a Heavy Lance instead of a Great Lance. The Great Lance mostly one shots anyway even with 4 ps, so effectively there will be zero change. There is still very little reason to use a Great Lance instead of a Heavy Lance and I am willing to bet that the amount of pure Great Lancers will not get higher than 3 on a server at any time.
Great Lance was never OP and is not OP, now let me go oneshot a few plated chargers.
Archerysuper accuracyis a bug, FYI. It will be fixed in next hotfix.
still no details ?
i can't see the changelog
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Some other minor stuff.:lol:
Am I the only one to not see the new weapon's pictures ?
You complain about ranged but you want to die from them faster?You seem to be grasping the behaviour of this community:
Added some new bugs.
Rus Bow got speed, damage and accuracy reduced, but I believe it stayed as accurate as before. Long bow is more accurate now (I think)
Bring back M function + 100% team damage by ranged. Someone must teach those friendly my old friends how to behave.Totally agree..A lot of my old friendchers don't care now about th,and nobody say sorry now.Weird..
It obviously wasn't the "big one" yet, but... be prepared.
We ran out of minor version numbers, so we have no choice but to create a major one now :)
by doing a patch of epic scales.
chadz this is not the patch you are looking for.
Sometimes I wonder why we put up with this shit. Oh, yes the mod is free.
Nerf archers please ? :(again?
Of course I could fix it, but why if I can just circumvent it by doing a patch of epic scales.
Cool. But you still owe me 50k.
i lost my Soldier's Cleaver and my Iron Hat with Aventail and he wasnt even loomed.Did you buy them yesterday? If so, the server was reset to a few hours before so you might have lost all that xp and everything you did on the hours that were rolled back
so what the problems here?
Archery super accuracy is a bug, FYI. It will be fixed in next hotfix.
It obviously wasn't the "big one" yet, but... be prepared.
Did you buy them yesterday? If so, the server was reset to a few hours before so you might have lost all that xp and everything you did on the hours that were rolled backOh so that's where my 20k gold and 800k xp went :)
Balancing by nerfing instead of buffing, yet again.Yeah, combat went from 2 to 5 min duels, whenever u meet one on the battlefield.
/me sighs
Yeah, combat went from 2 to 5 min duels, whenever u meet one on the battlefield.
Isn't that in your favour? Less disconnects per hour?
Isn't that in your favour? Less disconnects per hour?
GTX, I think the point is that shorter weapons should be more effective in battle. If you want to win faster, bring one of the shorter and now Much Faster swords.
Remember, the problem before was that there was really only one or two obvious alternatives for 2h heroes.
Hopefully we will see more variety from now on. And Danish is still badass btw..
GTX, I think the point is that shorter weapons should be more effective in battle. If you want to win faster, bring one of the shorter and now Much Faster swords.
Remember, the problem before was that there was really only one or two obvious alternatives for 2h heroes.
Hopefully we will see more variety from now on. And Danish is still badass btw..
Thomek, do you realize how useless Katana is, when you compare it to Longsword/HBS?
Hopefully, and I think it will be, there will be a time of adjustments coming after this patch.That is correct, they will change some of the unaffected weapons to fit the new buffs and nerfs. They might also change some of the buffs. Anyway, looking at the devs, it is clear that there is no way, that they are doing anything to the danish/german.
What is important is that we can see the devs INTENTION with this one. Stay put, stay patient. Give it 2 weeks.
Leshma, for now, I'm fine with it.
Leshma, for now, I'm fine with it.Yeah, it's a trade-off I can live with, though it makes little sense if you think about it realistically.
In all honesty, Danish's were always popular and always in demand / supply. I do not see it being terribly different to what it was pre-patch.
Alucard is the most badass Anime charakter!
So great lance now has 75 pierce damage, and heavy lance has 23 pierce damage...
chadz can you update your original post with any other large nerfs/buffs that took place in this patch? Pretty ridiculous not to include in your OP.
Saw my bro playing chivalry last night, apparently this is the dev's push to get everyone to stop playing crpg and go pick this game up.
There is a reason behind it.
- changed melee weapons
- changed ranged weapons
Item balance changeloggf changelog fansQuote- changed melee weapons
- changed ranged weapons
That'sa complete and yet very elegantly consisenot a changelog.
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I will print this and use it a a wallpaper of happiness.
What, do you have a boner for proving Adam Smith wrong?
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I am stalled on the launcher update.
The Ming can now give us a proper fight.
I like a lot of the new armour looks. We'll have more variety in weeaboos now.It crashes EVERYONE on the server?
Also, already posted this in technical issues, but the Eastern Lamellar Robes are... broken. Whenever I tried to test them, my client would crash and it would apparently take out everyone on the server with me.
Found that out after I'd already crashed the game a handful of times trying to see how the armour looks -.-
Sorry to anyone whose game crashed earlier because of me.
It crashes EVERYONE on the server?
My purpose has now become clear.
At this point it no longer seems morally questionable to steal all of the current CRPG mod teams work and publish it as a more rational game. With patchnotes, and pre-patch testing of which new armors are invisible...
At this point it no longer seems morally questionable to mute you.
It obviously wasn't the "big one" yet, but... be prepared.
We ran out of minor version numbers, so we have no choice but to create a major one now :)
WHERE IS chadz ?????? I MUST KISS HIM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Hey Wheres the Crusaders armour?
THE CHINESE PACK OMG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I LOVE YOU chadzI !!!
Bug fixes:
Strategus Battles often not being reported properly after it's finished (especially NA)
Alive horses not making it back into the weapon stack in Strat.
Some other minor stuff.
Item stat changes.
Added some new bugs.
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Epic trollmove when the other team has almost x5.
I'm pretty sure it did. It happened a few times. My buddy in voice crashed when i entered, and when I reloaded the game, the server I was on would have 0 people in it. Even if it had 35-40 pre-crash.
Amazing !And now several millions of сhinese will play crpg. We haven't enought servers for them! Quickly delete this armor :mrgreen:(click to show/hide)
And now several millions of сhinese will play crpg. We haven't enought servers for them! Quickly delete this armor :mrgreen:
And now several millions of сhinese will play crpg. We haven't enought servers for them! Quickly delete this armor :mrgreen:
Dozens of Chinese players would have topped the rank every turn if the ping allowed them to play on EU/NA servers, even with just 100ish ping.
Because they're all level 40+ from grinding and leeching?
No. I dont judge anything without evidence. Maybe you got some?
Yet you are making the same bold statements and skill comparisons that dozens of chinese players would top EU/NA scoreboards every round even with 100 ping.
I am just expressing my opinion, no matter you believe it or not. BUT I need your evidence of leaching if you want to persuade me. Or of course you can certainly just keep your arrogant opinion which I think is a joke.
BUT I need your evidence of leaching if you want to persuade me. Or of course you can certainly just keep your arrogant opinion which I think is a joke.
Saying "Dozens of Chinese players would have topped the rank every turn if the ping allowed them to play on EU/NA servers, even with just 100ish ping." is a statement, not an opinion.
lmfao here you asked for it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI3HjLBOwDg
Good old Attack! Why is it silent now :(
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uI3HjLBOwDg
Yet you are making the same bold statements and skill comparisons that dozens of chinese players would top EU/NA scoreboards every round even with 100 ping.
Just log on a CHN server now, observe or make a video as you please and come back.
Oh, you are free to take my opinion as a statement, it's alright.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uI3HjLBOwDgATTAAAAAAACK attack ATTACK attaaaaaaaaack ATTAAAAAAAACK attaaaaaack attack ATTACK ATTAAAAAAACK ATTACK attack ATTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!
no need I already believe you china is worlds beyond everyone skill-wise, all is good
Better than AUS too?
I hope all of you learned very important lesson. Never laugh at another person's misfortune.
Lancers were gloating when they saw DGS/GGS nerfs but their precious ultimate weapon got nerfed more than anything else.
I hope all of you learned very important lesson. Never laugh at another person's misfortune.I saw my lance nerfed first so I'm going to need compensation laughs...
Lancers were gloating when they saw DGS/GGS nerfs but their precious ultimate weapon got nerfed more than anything else.
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seems so :DxD But why?
Bow looms nerved?(click to show/hide)
Ranged nerfedNow the only thing needing nerf is 1h cav. I guess xbow was nerf'd as well my dear Leshy? Arbalest weight to be more specific. I understand why heavy lance couch was nerfed. Because it needed it and the great lance potentially has some use for the people who use couching a lot :D. Still goes through the blocks and does atleast some damage with hl too. What I don't understand is the base damage nerf. Maybe overkill change... Hard to say anything yet though while playing and getting shot by pinpoint accurate archers all the time. My fault tho. Should never play on patch day :D.
Lancers nerfed
Short weapons buffed
No, PK are the best when it comes to fighting against themselves, they are therefore the best in every other situation.
My take on player skill :
- cRPG China has very likely developped yet another metagame than EU or NA or AUS
- Even if there were non-negligible differences in average player skill between continents, the gap between the best player of a continent and that of another continent would still be extremely small if a world ranking existed.
Missed the battle thanks to the fuckin' patch.I'm sorry to inform you that fucking is not yet implemented :mrgreen:. You have to settle for old fashioned dry donkey punching.
I'm sorry to inform you that fucking is not yet implemented :mrgreen:. You have to settle for old fashioned dry donkey punching.
Oh and if you seriously plan to keep heavy lance like this you maybe would also like to consider a price reduction too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44BgS0yZoiM
Just noticed the "average gold" in the Char -> statistics tab has increased from ~50k to ~940k.Maybe chadz added his character to the statistics? :D
Someone might be sitting on 2.98*10^88k gold or something?
Might just be a statistics bug?
Wanted to share this, so we don't get another rollback etc.
Best regards,
Storulven
I'm not really seeing how ranged was nerfed. All I see is people with 33 pierce / 39 cut shots with good accuracy. Feels more lethal than ever
Eagerly awaiting patch notes, but the impact on ranged seems to be the opposite of a nerf imo
I believe ranged still has bugged perfect accuracy. They can wear full plate and get no penalty.
Has anyone thought that the ranged uber accuracy might be just a way so that you guys realise that cRPG normal archery is actually not as bloody bad as you make it sound? To try and stop the neverending QQ from some sectors of the playerbase?
I believe ranged still has bugged perfect accuracy. They can wear full plate and get no penalty.
I'm happy when I don't have to take half an hour making a painful choice between cRPG and Borderlands.
Just noticed the "average gold" in the Char -> statistics tab has increased from ~50k to ~940k.
Someone might be sitting on 2.98*10^88k gold or something?
Might just be a statistics bug?
Wanted to share this, so we don't get another rollback etc.
Best regards,
Storulven
I'm happy when I don't have to take half an hour making a painful choice between cRPG and Borderlands.
Yep the archery nerf has definitely arrived... My once glorious archer build has officially been raped and my MW horn bow has reticule bigger than Oohilliac's face... Brace yourselves for a flood of throwers
Yep the archery nerf has definitely arrived... My once glorious archer build has officially been raped and my MW horn bow has reticule bigger than Oohilliac's face...
Natural Selection 2 is out tonight (or tomorrow), that should be pretty fun. Just got some games on Steam sales too (Walking Dead and Bioshocks)
Kinda off topic, but its not like several months ago when there wasn't much choice of games for me
Don't..... Play Chivalry Medieval Warfare.... Awwsome game!... Untill thay fix this game at least.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIieSwo6jDQ
Ok devs, you are up, the textures are good.
But your armor is still not riged :mrgreen:
This is what causes the lines.
you must rig theses mesh:
-song_armor_ba
-song_armor_da
-song_pifeng_c
-song_tiejia
And their respective lods.
Or you can directly use the brf I provides, that contains exactly the same thing as you but in functional state..
You can download my brf here: http://forum.meleegaming.com/general-discussion/chinese-armors-non-official-graphical-hotfix/new/#new
Wait a tick: they aren't rigged at all?
:?: :?: :?: That makes no sense to me!
182 wpf + herobow is fine.
I'm guessing that's the problem, My current build is an archer/2h hybrid so my wpf is only 151 in archery and that way I can put some, still not allot, in 2h. I've never had awesome accuracy with the build but I prefer being able to help in a mele to running away like most archers do the whole time. Now I'm getting a "your WPF in bows is not high enough" at the beginning of every round even if I spawn naked. Not only is my accuracy awful but drawing the bow takes much longer. If they've really set a WPF bar like for throwing that's just retarded. All that's going to do is make archers put all their wpf in archery and lvl agility to at least 24 for the added WM. Which will make all archers the "shoot, run away, delay, repeat" kind that get people really mad. Meanwhile archers like me and Miggy who prefer having some mele ability get the shaft... No pun intended
i'm at lvl 33 almost lvl 34 with a 18/24 build 8 WM 6 PD...I currently can't use any bow with accuracy worth a shit. I feel like my character is fucking drunk and constantly getting the your weapons proficiency is too low to use bows...
Get a macro-able keyboard or mouse and add one for saying a clean "sorry". It's so handy I must be the only player even saying sorry for minor TH. It gets kinda messy when I press another key at the same time though. I end up saying things like "swowryw"I just do ysry+enter, about no time at all, and I just make my shield take a couple of hits if needed be...
Damn, the one thing I wanted from that asian armor pack was the shields and they dont have themmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. :(asians are too cool for shields 8-)
I'm upset that the community has to guess and speculate among themselves how to make this game playable for us after your updatesCommunity doesn't have to respec each time they hear their builds are nerfed. Any build is playable, making them balanced is just a matter of time, show some patience and play the class you like to play.
Community doesn't have to respec each time they hear their builds are nerfed. Any build is playable, making them balanced is just a matter of time, show some patience and play the class you like to play.
There are no classes, there should never have been classes. It was about play-styles originally; playing with the gear and build you chose.
And no, not every build is playable. What if I wanted to play as a peasant with a stick? Originally I could have, it was hard but doable as is to be expected. Now it would be pointless, unless you enjoy getting block crushed and bum spammed by bigger, faster, longer weapons that were always better than a stick anyhow, but which are now no-brainers when it comes to choice. Not to mention you cannot in fact reach a high enough level to give such an obscure build a chance in the first place.
Of course not every build should be equal, that is foolishness, but they should be usable.
Oh how objectivised you have become my subjective choices.
And no, not every build is playable. What if I wanted to play as a peasant with a stick? Originally I could have, it was hard but doable as is to be expected. Now it would be pointless, unless you enjoy getting block crushed and bum spammed by bigger, faster, longer weapons that were always better than a stick anyhow, but which are now no-brainers when it comes to choice.How was it ever different? In what era of cRPG was a peasant with a stick not like that? Your nostalgia glasses are clouding your view of cRPG.
How was it ever different? In what era of cRPG was a peasant with a stick not like that? Your nostalgia glasses are clouding your view of cRPG.
I am playing a 9/30 dagger with 800 gold equipment and that is viable.
If you can deny that then im sorry, you are beyond reason or rationality.
Your build is not relative. As usual my point has been missed by someone having a knee-jerk reaction to something that person obviously felt threatened by.
And my nostalgia glasses are not clouding anything, obviously one of the main differences is that players have themselves improved. But the statistics of the weapons, the speed at which the game plays, the level your character can reach. These are all things that have been altered over the time of the game.
If you can deny that then im sorry, you are beyond reason or rationality. Also you forget, the christmas patch released last year? I went on to make sure it wasnt just nostalgia and guess what? It wasn't, I genuinely had a good time, I actually went in with an expectation of it being terrible.
I was surprised I enjoyed it. If anything im one of the more bitter and cynical people on here, I always was. And yeah the old patches could be slow, it could take yonks to level and the older system of xp and gold was diabolical.
But the freedom to simply look at a series of weapons and say to oneself "hmm...lets see what happens when I do this" was a choice most enticing. That has been taken away.
Now it's a case that you would have an idea and instead of simply pushing for the end goal and sticking to your build, instead you merely throw out any ideas that will not work when examined in the environment of the recent patches and most choices are not choices at all; as the current climate of weapons and system of levelling forces you to travel along certain fixed routes if you wish to have any choice at all.
You asked when wasnt it like that....it wasnt like that in the older patches. If I had a mind to I could level up to level 45 with perseverance, practise with my build intensely, become used to the style of combat and melee, then adapt my style of play accordingly.
Now I have either the choice of heirlooming what will essentially be a useless stick, as the mechanics and statistics of the weapons around me have changed, or try to aim for a higher level...which takes so long as to be essentially a none choice in the matter.
But that is what people seem to want...no choice, they want their specifics balanced, (read improved for their own comfort under the guise of being balanced for the community), at the cost of creativity. Which to be fair, is not much different to what goes on offline either.
In any case, save your projection of people with nostalgia for those who are actually deserving of it. It is not that I wish to go back to older patches, merely that some of that spirit and creativity be entwined with the new.
You can't say that when you're attacking a straw man. Try again.
just buff stones and he will be happy
What if I wanted to play as a peasant with a stick? Originally I could have, it was hard but doable as is to be expected.
How was it ever different? In what era of cRPG was a peasant with a stick not like that? Your nostalgia glasses are clouding your view of cRPG.
But the statistics of the weapons, the speed at which the game plays, the level your character can reach. These are all things that have been altered over the time of the game.
If you can deny that then im sorry, you are beyond reason or rationality.
Your build is not relative. As usual my point has been missed by someone having a knee-jerk reaction to something that person obviously felt threatened by.
Your build is not relative.What does that even mean?
You asked when wasnt it like that....it wasnt like that in the older patches. If I had a mind to I could level up to level 45 with perseverance, practise with my build intensely, become used to the style of combat and melee, then adapt my style of play accordingly.Your entire point is that because you could level unto very high levels you could do more creative builds? Which is the only difference to old cRPG and current cRPG if it comes to playing a peasant with a stick. Statistics of the weapon have never been touched.
Now it would be pointless, unless you enjoy getting block crushed and bum spammed by bigger, faster, longer weapons that were always better than a stick anyhow, but which are now no-brainers when it comes to choice. Not to mention you cannot in fact reach a high enough level to give such an obscure build a chance in the first place.So just because you could be a lvl 45 stick using peasant it would be viable? Newsflash, against other lvl 45's with 'normal builds' the above would still go. The only reason why a lvl 45 peasant stick was better then then it is now, is because the game was completely unbalanced and there were players like me. I started playing later and I did do a normal build, but could never catch up with the enormous level gap. I was playing as a level 22 against players with level 48.
Welcome to a balanced and fair game where your performance is not dependent on how long you've been playing. Welcome to a game that does not enable you to fuck around with retarded builds cause you are high level while leaving the the newer players at a forever disadvantage even with a minmax build.
I'd like to point out you are wrong there. Having a ponctual advantage at a moment in time doesn't mean you are going to keep it.Not sure what ponctual means, google doesn't find it, but I am pretty sure that the level 46's that were playing would always have had a level advantage on me when thinking of a realistic time span.. I think your a math guy and whatever this means theoretically, it does not apply to old cRPG.
Also, old cRPG was only "unfair" from the (oh so original) FPS perspective of killing as many people as possible, or taking objectives. Some people assume this is the perspective of all games that look like the-usual-FPS. But it is not. In old cRPG you could play just to fuck around with a weird build and equipment setup or survive the battle as a poor peasant or any other goal you could think of, in new cRPG there's only one way to play : to win. Of course having level and equipment differences makes that usual competitive game unbalanced. It does however not make a game where you have fun independently of how unfunny the game is for your opponent unbalanced. And that was the point of cRPG, and the reason lvl 10 peasants could indeed play in the same servers as lvl 43 monsters without GTXting.Don't get me wrong, I had loads of fun back then. Still, having a big part of the playerbase simply playing to survive without ever being able to catch up in ability to the old players has its flaws. It is a game where surviving gives you playtime. If you are in the field with players that wear plate, move faster and can spam you without you being able to attack back, your playtime gets reduced without you being able to do anything about it.
Damn, the one thing I wanted from that asian armor pack was the shields and they dont have themmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. :(
Not sure what ponctual means, google doesn't find it, but I am pretty sure that the level 46's that were playing would always have had a level advantage on me when thinking of a realistic time span.. I think your a math guy and whatever this means theoretically, it does not apply to old cRPG.
Don't get me wrong, I had loads of fun back then. Still, having a big part of the playerbase simply playing to survive without ever being able to catch up in ability to the old players has its flaws. It is a game where surviving gives you playtime. If you are in the field with players that wear plate, move faster and can spam you without you being able to attack back, your playtime gets reduced without you being able to do anything about it.
I am quite sure most level 10 peasants stuck out their time while having in mind that they will one day be one of those high level guys.
in new cRPG there's only one way to play : to win.This is sort of the basic concept of zero-sum games. I play to win, but, personally, I can have fun without winning (which is good, because I'm terrible at cRPG).
In the end it doesn't actually matter, except that in a game without levels you can't argue whoever owned you had better stats etc. and over time it can become irritating. Especially if you feel you don't make any progress. With levels, this doesn't happen.So in your ideal game, you are rewarded proportionally by the time you invest in the game much more than you are rewarded for improving your skill (through that same investment of time)? I don't want to say that's wrong, because there are plenty of other games like that--mostly dungeon crawlers and RPGs--but that's not the conventional approach to a fighting game. Generally, people play games in direct competition against other players because of their desire to defeat their opponents. In addition, humans tend to respect the player who improves his skill faster than another player with the same time investment, so I don't think you'll find many people sympathizing with your desire to perform better in the game without actually having developed the requisite skill.
Welcome to a balanced and fair game where your performance is not dependent on how long you've been playing. Welcome to a game that does not enable you to fuck around with retarded builds cause you are high level while leaving the the newer players at a forever disadvantage even with a minmax build.
Welcome to a balanced and fair game where your performance is not dependent on how long you've been playing.
Of course, none of this would be an issue if you hadn't opened with this gem:
That's an attack, and unfounded at that. No one missed your point, but they certainly disagreed with you, and not everyone who holds an opinion different than yours does so because they miss your point. Sometimes they actually have different opinions build from the same data.
Update!lies!
Hey, don't play betas. Ho, if you do don't complain about progress. Hee, I probably shouldn't bother posting such things. Haa, guess it's too late for that.Wait, c-rpg is still beta? Wow. I mean searously, will they EVER remove that beta tag?
Wait, c-rpg is still beta? Wow. I mean searously, will they EVER remove that beta tag?
i'm at lvl 33 almost lvl 34 with a 18/24 build 8 WM 6 PD...I currently can't use any bow with accuracy worth a shit. I feel like my character is fucking drunk and constantly getting the your weapons proficiency is too low to use bows...So true. My MW Horn Bow with 156 wpf and 6PD...
"I dont need sex because chadz fucks me in every patch"
An Archer..
Wait, c-rpg is still beta? Wow. I mean searously, will they EVER remove that beta tag?
btw. Is this end of hybrid characters ?Seems so.
kinda feel bad for 33+ archers... they got f'd hard
Most strategus battles I've been in have shifted toward polearm users that i have seen and melee in general, sometimes I am the only archer or maybe 1 more, not sure how our class was so OP that no one really did it much anymore on their main.
I dont call it as an archery nerf, after this patch all of the archers will go for same "maximum damage" build because kiting and going hybrid are impossible now. So this slow killing machines will stay together in every round with some bodyguards and dont let anyone to come closer. So:
Camping is coming guys. This change will make the game more boring.
Archery was fine before, and the whining won't stop once people realize that heavy power draw archers can kill them much more quickly. Really what they should do is just get rid of the athletics penalty and leave the changes to power draw. (power draw above 6 used to do nothing, and now it is quite useful to have it at high levels) This way archers have a choice to go either heavy power draw or kitey agility. Other classes have multiple effective builds, why are archers always forced to have the same damn build?
At least there is hope a melee char will be able to put an end to your life before going a jog around the battlefield for once.
Actually seriously considering respeccing to 2hander since I will have to respec anyway with these changes, might as well do a class that got buffed substantially (unless you are noob who crutched on the longest swords in the game constantly stabbing, longswords and bastard swords are even more fun now if you know how to block).
btw. Is this end of hybrid characters ?
So this slow killing machines will stay together in every round with some bodyguards and dont let anyone to come closer.
I'd be surprised if ya got free respecs since I can recall when a patch came out and increased requirements on horses. No free respecs were given out then and they were simply stuck not being able to use the horses they haven been using especially when they probably loomed those horses too so.Cav could just trade them, simple as that. I can't trade my 8 ath away.
Well if I remember right, and I could be wrong, this was before the marketplace time so.
Cav could just trade them, simple as that. I can't trade my 8 ath away.
Except horses like the +3 arabian lost like 300k of resell value instantly when that patch hit, not even mentioning many cav prefered just changing their builds. Now, archers with lots of ath can just retire, or if they don't want to get heirloom points, respec. And if you leveled over level 31, be happy you had your time of awesomeness, you even get more LP than you would have if that change occured before the hall of fame was introduced.
Questions to devs. MW Great Lance has +2 to speed. How its works? Is GL "reload" faster? Or maybe it decreases time after you press x and before GL take into the "firing position"? Is polearm wpf improve anything in using GL?
I am surprised that sometimes Great Lance doesn't kill anyone in couch...true story
couching no longer kills heavy str stacker in 1 hit no more............
Even with 75p ? What the hell
Because overall couching damage got nerfed, so it's not actually a 75p couch seeing I survived great lance couches in 18 body armor and 5 IF :D
++ I like where this game is going, #meelegaming never4get
Best solution, like just mentioned in irc, is to let arrows weigh a ton. Pewpew will be just fine, kiting almost impossibru and hybrids can just drop their bow and get into melee.
But i guess that would be way too easy to do, rather take the hard and dirty path.
<Shik> ath nerf reverted for next patch
<Meow> we call him the italion stallion
<Meow> or il duce
You know, a couched lance is melee. You can dodge the lance and hit the horse/rider with most melee setups.
in my book of awesome cav lancer is not melee, it's a scrub's shortcut to free kills
I'll repeat
However I wouldn't be surprised if there was an increase to the weight of arrows shortly following though. It fixes the problem and I believe it's a reasonable compromise for not murdering our builds! :)
Thank you Shik, we'll hold you to your word, even if "The Italian" finds out.
A bit of behind the scenes as well:
I know it's difficult to believe but it appears that is was an agreeable solution.
Despite the fact one can't consistently get any kill with it except by ninjaing. I would call 2h or pole the scrub's shortcut to free kills. So many people turn their backs to you in the confusion of melee.
Except that with cav you have double life (if heavy horse more like three lifes), ability to ride away from anything with great speed, doing unblockable crap like bump lancing/slashing, and doing awesome pierce damage. Oh yeah when you get dehorsed you're also a footman just like any other non-cav footman, just 3 stat points less.
With cav you don't increase you own HP, and you either sit on something that can be oneshot by any decent build, or sit on something that feels like a supertanker, even though you have to catch powerboats that copulated with mosquitos. Either way it's a big ass target for any non-blind archer. Also, losing your horse automatically makes you take a nap on the ground (the longest stun in the game), long enough for some people to get 3 free hits. So when you get dehorsed you are a normal footman like every other footman except that in average you took two solid hits, so most often you are a dead normal footman. Moreover, sure you can run away with great speed, but during the century you spend accelerating, you can easily get hit and ganked. Not even mentioning the fact that when a human stands in front of a stopped horse, the horse cannot push the human, it's like a brick wall. Finally, the "awesome" pierce damage was already not enough to kill some archers with full speed bonus before this patch. Now it's more like "pityful".
If you try to block a lancer, you are doing it the very wrong way. No matter the attack he's planning (btw all cav moves with any horse and any build are telegraphed 2 hours before being executed), there's always a way you can dodge and hit. Things like bump-"something" are the easiest way to get killed for a cav, cause they have 0 defense while doing it. If even with a 2h you get killed by cav in duels I really don't know what is wrong with you.
btw even if I sound mad I am not that much. I abandoned cav. It is just irritating to witness such ignorance.
either way it is a large advantage if you actually know how to cav
True. Pretty much like any item in the mod.
Oh yeah when you get dehorsed you're also a footman just like any other non-cav footman, just 3 stat points less.
either way it is a large advantage if you actually know how to cav and I am sorry you cannot see that
With 60% less hp and a crowd of angry peasants who jumps on you without giving you time to get up.
Very exciting life of a dehorsed cav...
Pretty sure it was said on irc yesterday that this whole ath thing was gonna be removed next patch and there will be a different approach to the whole kiting thing.
So do not respec.
we miss you :(
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With cav you don't increase you own HP, and you either sit on something that can be oneshot by any decent build, or sit on something that feels like a supertanker, even though you have to catch powerboats that copulated with mosquitos. Either way it's a big ass target for any non-blind archer.You can only be 1shot if you are going full speed against a german stab or greater. The stabby polearms can indeed 1shot a medium-light horse, but I doubt others can. Slowing down before lancing greatly reduces damage taken. Your horse can tank the hit for you in this situation, and you can get a free stab on someone while they are stunned from hitting your horse. Archers don't do enough damage in 1 shot unless you are rushing at them. If you don't isolate yourself against an enemy group, you won't get pelted too much.
Also, losing your horse automatically makes you take a nap on the ground (the longest stun in the game), long enough for some people to get 3 free hits. So when you get dehorsed you are a normal footman like every other footman except that in average you took two solid hits, so most often you are a dead normal footman.I believe 3 hits are false, and that they can only get 2 hits at most unless you were unlucky to get kicked, too. This only occurs if you get dehorsed from a stab/ranged right in front of a melee. If you are turning/moving away when you get dehorsed, it takes an additional few seconds for the melee to reach you. At most, he can jump and swing at you. With the recent change to dead body soak hitboxes, there is a great chance for the horse to soak your hit, even if it appeared to be a direct hit at your body.
Moreover, sure you can run away with great speed, but during the century you spend accelerating, you can easily get hit and ganked.I can only see that occurring if you turned into another melee group while escaping the previous one. While riding away from someone trying to hit you, you receive much less damage due to the massive negative speed bonus. Horses do accelerate pretty fast imo, and there is a low speed threshold before you begin to bump those close to your horse.
Not even mentioning the fact that when a human stands in front of a stopped horse, the horse cannot push the human, it's like a brick wall.If your horse was initially at 0 speed, yes. Even so, you can slightly turn and then they get bumped once you begin to move. You can also pressure them with your lance held from getting too close. It would be silly if you can bump someone right in front of you at rest. If you get stopped, you can still stab at the person who stabbed at you, and you can get off your horse in time if you believe you can't escape. There were many times where I escaped after getting stopped and someone tried to block me, as well as horses escaping from me after I stopped them and tried to hug the horse.
Finally, the "awesome" pierce damage was already not enough to kill some archers with full speed bonus before this patch. Now it's more like "pityful".It's pretty bad only because the lance and light lance are so much better now. I think that's an internal balance issue. I still think overall, you still deal a healthy amount of damage even with heavy lance. It's bad relative to the others, I agree.
If you try to block a lancer, you are doing it the very wrong way. No matter the attack he's planning (btw all cav moves with any horse and any build are telegraphed 2 hours before being executed), there's always a way you can dodge and hit. Things like bump-"something" are the easiest way to get killed for a cav, cause they have 0 defense while doing it. If even with a 2h you get killed by cav in duels I really don't know what is wrong with you.The cav can goad the melee into attacking first. The cav can utilize that space in time to attack. Most of the time, the melee can block, but you can still get a bump in. The melee doesn't know when you are going to accelerate in and attack, and it is dangerous for the melee to jump at you. If you have a full health horse and can take a few hits, it can be worth it. With this slow playstyle, your horse doesn't take massive amounts of damage in 1 attack, too. 2h are limited to stabs in this case, and you can just trample over any 1h. I would not risk this against polearms too much.
btw even if I sound mad I am not that much. I abandoned cav. It is just irritating to witness such ignorance.
Everyone knows what have been changed already, anyway. No need for patchnotes from chadz anymore. That's why they call him The Lazy :)
more players on DTV then on EU1.. go archers..
almost been a month can we see more of the changelog >:D
Isn't that in your favour? Less disconnects per hour?