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Title: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on July 19, 2012, 06:53:37 pm
ok, we all know that changing game mechanics by using trainers like autoblock etc is permaban reason. but what about editing the game graphics to gain advantage? some smart ass kids make significant changes over graphics, like removing bushes, rocks etc, thinning trees & walls or even changing their colours to transparent to get x-ray vision.

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this is obviously cheating

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you can also see how editing the graphics increases visibility range significantly during fog

so people, what do you think? in my opinion, editing game visuals (object models, crosshairs, particles, environment, weather effects) to gain advantage should get the same punishment as autoblockers had in the past. this is serious and devs should do something about it. let's discuss..
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: a_bear_irl on July 19, 2012, 06:54:59 pm
pretty sure playing a game that looks like that is punishment enough
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on July 19, 2012, 06:55:59 pm
pretty sure playing a game that looks like that is punishment enough

some people do this on purpose
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: sF_Guardian on July 19, 2012, 06:57:22 pm
Should be bannable imo.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: BlueKnight on July 19, 2012, 07:00:18 pm
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HERE TO PLAY AND HAVE FUN,
NOT TO BE OVER-PRO AND FAP TO SCORE LOL
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
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Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: _Tak_ on July 19, 2012, 07:02:02 pm
Another person who also made it for community: http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,19225.msg273915.html#msg273915

charging the enemy spawn in the beginning of the round means suicide charging, regardless of how many kills you get. you may usually get killed, and if this happens, your teammates will have disadvantage of having 1 less player for the next 6 mins of that round. this is the fucking rule which your ignorant head can not understand. anyone who charges to enemy spawn in the beginning gets ban. noone gives shit about your k/d ratio, you don't have rights to ruin the balance and leave your teammates disadvantaged for the rest of the round.

whoever does it should be banned, doesn't matter if admin or not. you can spawn rape in the middle of round, but, heading directly to shitloads of enemy in the 1st minute to get easy kills = suicide charge. you don't have rights to leave your team disadvantaged in numbers for the rest of round just to kill few leechers or peasants. most of the retards who do it gets killed in the 1st minute. only few pro exceptions survive such desperate attacks. i don't know why you can not understand this easy fact. even your prehistoric computer had understood it by showing what we type here on its screen, you keep ignoring the fact that you suicide charge.

Want cheat right? Try auto block or edit game files and set all weapon's damage to 999999, join cRPG server and see if it work, nope it won't work because it's a multiplayer game. Auto block might work but changing cRPG game files or modifying them will not grant you any sort of advantage, about half of people who support this thread are people who hate me in game, you can already see this community is like a bunch of sheeps listening to these bullshit

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Editing sound will also get upper hand in game, is this some kind of cheat too? http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,34310.msg516981.html#msg516981

Making horse's noises become louder sure will get you upper hand in game lol as you will become more effective at killing Cav

people can already turn off particles, crosshair, environment shadows, effects in game in warband's option, that is cheating too?

so it has come to this , ok, we all know that changing game mechanics by using trainers like autoblock etc is permaban reason. but what about editing the game graphics to gain advantage?@ I only gain performance for my shitty laptop

some smart ass kid: I am over 18 years old, what do you know about modding? Nothing

make significant changes over graphics, like removing bushes, rocks etc, thinning trees & walls or even changing their colours to transparent to get x-ray vision.

Bushes cannot be remove and can only change their colours, the colours of many textures are linking with each other, if you remove one of them but other will also be removed, but if you removed them they will become invisible barriers, if you are riding a horse then you will run into invisible walls randomly and you won't be able to know where they are, and if enemy is at hiding on walls you will see people flying around and people walking upon the sky, most objects can be removed on single player but this is a multiplayer game, bushes and all that can be removed in single player easily, but on multiplayer many things stay because they are already in multiplayer and there is nothing you can do on there. At first about the screenshots you got you were only talking about spawn raping as cav and call it suicide charging, now you are making everything bigger, tell stories of so called x-ray, wall hacks to gain advantage.


so people, what do you think? in my opinion, editing game visuals (object models, crosshairs, particles, environment, weather effects) to gain advantage should get the same punishment as autoblockers had in the past. this is serious and devs should do something about it. let's discuss..

There is nothing you can do to change the weather (Fog) in game, its server sided
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People like me who have the weakest laptop have to change the textures in game so we won't get any lag. Just like the Resource & Texture Optimization.

Serfonz down:
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I can't believe you said this is cheating, I mean this is the best settings I can play on, me and my family is not very rich thats why I have to play on this setting, check on Asia server, there is not many players there, guess why? It is because not many asians can afford the damn thing to buy computer/ games, all of their wages is so damn low.

why even make this pointless thread, it's not even cheating, even if people change their game's graphics there is no way any of them will get caught never, well I was caught and i do not feel shame of it since i was only doing it for fps performance, people can actually change the music, textures, replace them, add them in this game, changing it so its only on client side and its nothing to do with server side, many things are already hardcoded and therefore there is not much you can change, learn how to make mods before saying such things please

not everyone is as rich as you my dear, ban me for playing in dx7 on lowest settings and a shitty graphics texture enhancement mod for my game I lol'd
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Bugrahan on July 19, 2012, 07:02:53 pm
Tavuga destek için geldik o adamı banalamadın görem bacın sikem
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: LordBerenger on July 19, 2012, 07:05:27 pm
Pretty douchebaggy tbh.

Explains how you've sometimes found me whilst hiding behind trees :D
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on July 19, 2012, 07:07:43 pm
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HERE TO PLAY AND HAVE FUN,
NOT TO BE OVER-PRO AND FAP TO SCORE LOL

well, i don't care about having top score but my gameplay relies on stealth and surroundings. with modified graphics, cheaters can easily destroy our fun. we all play for fun here, but some smart ass lamers don't. we don't have punkbuster for this game to catch the cheaters but at least we know some of them and let the banhammers do the work to avoid future abusers.

ban all turks

Tavuk Bey you're a bully

no im not, but you have been busted hard this time.

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Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on July 19, 2012, 07:08:25 pm
So how you going to enforce this as you can't tell what graphics people are playing on especially if they are 'lower than warband capabilities'?
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: HardRice on July 19, 2012, 07:09:54 pm
ban all turks

Tavuk Bey you're a bully

/me Lying, permabanned.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on July 19, 2012, 07:11:37 pm
So how you going to enforce this as you can't tell what graphics people are playing on especially if they are 'lower than warband capabilities'?

well, at least one of them already confessed and there are prooves & screenshots on the forum.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: MrShine on July 19, 2012, 07:13:16 pm
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Although honestly if his computer is that crappy that he needs to drop settings to even play the game, I say let him get his minor advantages as opposed to the huge drawbacks of having his computer lag and playing on a god damn laptop in the first place.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Leshma on July 19, 2012, 07:14:14 pm
Maybe cmp will be able to check client settings with his custom client.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on July 19, 2012, 07:14:42 pm
well, at least one of them already confessed and there are prooves & screenshots on the forum.

Well you can't dictate to people about playing a game which they obviously enjpoy but there computer specs may not support, yes its their fault for buying the game, but punishing someone for having a shite PC/laptop i mean  :lol: come on
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Digglez on July 19, 2012, 07:15:57 pm
i doubt this game engine has the infrastructure/capability to check these files, which means no way to enforce it
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Winterly on July 19, 2012, 07:18:08 pm
glad to see in the community of cRPG, being honest is to be treated like shit.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Araxiel on July 19, 2012, 07:19:17 pm
sg!
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Leshma on July 19, 2012, 07:19:30 pm
cRPG launcher can replace every cRPG module related file but these are warband files. With custom client and launcher I guess it will be possible to run simple scheduled check for files integrity and, in case of changed textures and other warband files, redownload them (forced update).
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Tzar on July 19, 2012, 07:23:14 pm
Tavuk bay this is old news....

But yeah i can agree on it being bullshit but i doubt the devs care about this issue..

This is sadly a great motivation to remove score board an kdr so people wouldn't spoil the fun to pad their kdr....

EDIT: Leshma have a good idea i say implement if possible  :!:
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Bjord on July 19, 2012, 07:24:15 pm
Lol Tavuk, stop trying to lynch the poor guy. I can't even believe he's still replying after all this time. :lol:
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Nehvar on July 19, 2012, 07:24:28 pm
The first one is clearly cheating as is evident by his own statement.  The second, well, some people have machines so bad that that is their only hope for a decent framerate.  I agree with a_bear_irl on that one for the most part.  Those who choose that look when they don't have to just to get a little bit of a sight advantage are sad, sad people.  So sad I don't even feel like punishing them; their game is punishment enough.

In either case changing textures on the client side is not a detectable cheat.  Unless they are dumb enough to come out talk about what they're doing I don't think we'll be catching many.  Just that first guy.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Eddy on July 19, 2012, 07:25:17 pm
Didn´t you read that he writed also in your Screen/qoute that his laptop can´t handle servers over 100 people?
Realy dont think that something like that should be banable. Yes its unfair but some people dont have enough money to buy an new pc.






Like me
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on July 19, 2012, 07:27:00 pm
Well you can't dictate to people about playing a game which they obviously enjpoy but there computer specs may not support, yes its their fault for buying the game, but punishing someone for having a shite PC/laptop i mean  :lol: come on

he confessed that he edits graphics to have x-ray, this is more than having a shitty computer, this is cheat.

glad to see in the community of cRPG, being honest is to be treated like shit.

lol im pretty sure he had confessed it accidentally, thanks to mindtricks done in ban section

cRPG launcher can replace every cRPG module related file but these are warband files. With custom client and launcher I guess it will be possible to run simple scheduled check for files integrity and, in case of changed textures and other warband files, redownload them (forced update).

sounds like the only option, however it will take shitloads of time to launch game

Tavuk bay this is old news....

But yeah i can agree on it being bullshit but i doubt the devs care about this issue..

This is sadly a great motivation to remove score board an kdr so people wouldn't spoil the fun to pad their kdr....

i wanted it to be discussed cuz this time there are some evidences around

Lol Tavuk, stop trying to lynch the poor guy. I can't even believe he's still replying after all this time. :lol:

well, he tries to lynch poor noobs in ban section, that's why im pushing on him.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: cmp on July 19, 2012, 07:27:51 pm
cRPG launcher can replace every cRPG module related file but these are warband files. With custom client and launcher I guess it will be possible to run simple scheduled check for files integrity and, in case of changed textures and other warband files, redownload them (forced update).

It will just deny access to the server.
That said, nobody will be banned.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Tzar on July 19, 2012, 07:28:41 pm
Only downside by this thread Tavuk is letting other noobs like Alexthedragon find out about this....

Imho lock it while you can...
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: [ptx] on July 19, 2012, 07:31:54 pm
This is stupid and lame, picking on people for not being able to run the game decently. Tavuk, i thought you better than that... :|

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Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Dexxtaa on July 19, 2012, 07:34:56 pm
I don't think anything can really be done about this. I use the more metal sounds mod and a graphics texture enhancement mod for my game.

Looking for a modified client will have anyone with any kind of modified files banned, including those of us that just want the game to not look like a piece of smoking crap.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: dynamike on July 19, 2012, 07:40:12 pm
I don't think anything can really be done about this. I use the more metal sounds mod and a graphics texture enhancement mod for my game.

Looking for a modified client will have anyone with any kind of modified files banned, including those of us that just want the game to not look like a piece of smoking crap.

Can be fixed by including officially supported mods that get an exception for files they modify.

I use the realistic colors mod purely for aesthetics (even has higher grass!) and would hate to see it go.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Leshma on July 19, 2012, 07:45:34 pm
I can run Warband decently (although everything is on low in DX9) but have different issue.

No matter what I do, can't make steam overlay to work. Only solution is to wait for devs to find enough time to fix this issue. And I'm fine with that.

Same goes for people with PCs which can't run warband on lowest possible settings (DX7). They should ask devs to release their optimization pack which won't give them any advantages. Trees and bushes don't have to be removed, they should be replaced with small and simple overstreched texture which will look uber ugly but will not affect performance and will serve a purpose, to act like cover. Similar can be done with tree meshes.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Christo on July 19, 2012, 07:47:24 pm
I like how the poll is giving the finger.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on July 19, 2012, 07:49:16 pm
Only downside by this thread Tavuk is letting other noobs like Alexthedragon find out about this....

Imho lock it while you can...

lol never thought about that :D

This is stupid and lame, picking on people for not being able to run the game decently. Tavuk, i thought you better than that... :|

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didn't you read his confession? he did it not only to have good fps but also to see behind the objects

I like how the poll is giving the finger.

lol
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Idzo on July 19, 2012, 07:51:09 pm
It will just deny access to the server.
That said, nobody will be banned.

So you cant ban all kurds?
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: LordBerenger on July 19, 2012, 07:58:38 pm
So you cant ban all kurds?

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Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: sF_Guardian on July 19, 2012, 08:06:16 pm
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Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: San on July 19, 2012, 08:10:43 pm
I used to play on a laptop from May 2011 to January 2012, and it's terrible. Had to play on lowest settings and 600 x 480, could barely see swings or other players. It's not much of a big deal, especially since turning off particle effects and lowering graphics is already quite a bit of difference over high settings.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: LordBerenger on July 19, 2012, 08:13:50 pm

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Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Torost on July 19, 2012, 08:21:42 pm
I dont see how this is a problem, people use all kinds of custom mods.
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,34641.0.html
Some for aestics ,others for ingame advantages like louder horsesound,easier to see projectiles.

I think the developers have better things to use their skills on, and a fast fix would prob make the existing mods incompatible.
Mods integrated in launcher would be the best.

crpg is "unfair", it pits people with MW items and 31+ chars against clueless newbies.
Are you shocked that some of these people try to gain a small advantage that doesnt involve endless days of grinding?

I dont use any mods, too lazy to edit and do it manually
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: OymakBasi on July 19, 2012, 08:35:54 pm
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Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Vibe on July 19, 2012, 08:36:43 pm
wtb config.cfg for pros
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: dynamike on July 19, 2012, 08:36:49 pm
Some for aestics ,others for ingame advantages like louder horsesound,easier to see projectiles.

Two completely different pairs of shoes, man!

I think the developers have better things to use their skills on, and a fast fix would prob make the existing mods incompatible.

Actually, keeping the game fair and prevent certain people from gaining an unfair advantage over others is one of the main aims of the devs!

crpg is "unfair", it pits people with MW items and 31+ chars against clueless newbies.
Are you shocked that some of these people try to gain a small advantage that doesnt involve endless days of grinding?

If you don't like a leveling based game, don't play it! Seriously. Gaining unfair advantages by altering the basics of the game is cheating, black and white spoken.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on July 19, 2012, 08:38:37 pm
Are you shocked that some of these people try to gain a small advantage that doesnt involve endless days of grinding?

no im not, but all i want is a bit justice against a smart ass lamer who accuses people with bullshit stories, despite being totally jerk himself. i'm not discussing about naive eye candy mods which increases visual aesthetics here, i'm talking about the removal of certain objects which act as cover on the field in normal situations.

in my opinion, what he has done is kind of wallhack, this is much more serious thing than sound effects etc. people might have crappy computers but this doesn't grant them rights to abuse graphics to gain in-game advantages.

bu ibneye tk at ortalıgı ayaga kaldırıyo ama o 4 tane vursun önüme geçme oç diyo

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Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Dionysus on July 19, 2012, 08:41:29 pm
I don't see the advantage.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: sF_Guardian on July 19, 2012, 08:54:45 pm
I don't see the advantage.

Ure blind.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Grumbs on July 19, 2012, 09:00:25 pm
I don't mind people tweaking for performance, but you have to draw the line when it starts giving advantages to certain players beyond just more fps.

In competitive games they put ranges or locks on certain commands. Editing outside the available ini files/removing walls and using models designed to be more visible is cheating though. Its a grey area but some stuff is clearly cheating. Nothing will be done about it though obviously, its down to trust at this point
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Mlekce on July 19, 2012, 09:02:24 pm
buff 1h!
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on July 19, 2012, 09:08:04 pm
I can't believe you said this is cheating, I mean this is the best settings I can play on, me and my family is not very rich thats why I have to play on this setting, check on Asia server, there is not many players there, guess why? It is because not many asians can afford the damn thing to buy computer/ games, all of their wages is so damn low, you need to stop being racist towards me just because i am one of them, it doesn't gain any advantage either

not everyone is as rich as you my dear, ban me for playing in dx7 on lowest settings and a shitty graphics texture enhancement mod for my game.

oh lol again that racism weapon, i don't want you to get punished because you are poor or your pc is crap or you are asian. i'm altaic asian, so this has nothing to do with races or any demographics, please don't go full retard again.

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this is the main reason, you've confessed yourself while slandering a poor dude in that thread as usually you do. you have x-ray vision, imo it's quite similar to autoblock. as a sniper, bushes etc are the only thing that i can trust in open field cav rape maps. but with your edited graphics, you can easily pick targets like me and leave me totally defenseless. at first, you said you could remove objects, now you are denying it after being caught. god knows if you also have edited objects which are transparent enough to let you see who is behind it.

btw i didn't mention that you can edit weather conditions, i know it's based on server. what i've said according to your screenshot is you have much better visibility range during the fog. this must be investigated as well. when i have fog, i can't see 5 meters away, but you have crystal clear vision over a long distance in your screenshot. having a crap pc is not an excuse to cheat.


btw stop editing original quotes from me, it's mute reason on forums.

Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Dionysus on July 19, 2012, 09:09:22 pm
Ure blind.
He runs into invisible rocks and walls. What's he going to do if he sees me behind a wall? Shoot me with his M16 with Deep Impact? You can already see around walls with the tilde key; it doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: sF_Guardian on July 19, 2012, 09:12:07 pm
He runs into invisible rocks and walls. What's he going to do if he sees me behind a wall? Shoot me with his M16 with Deep Impact? You can already see around walls with the tilde key; it doesn't matter.

We`re talking about bushes, haystacks, trees and stuff, read before postin....
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Mlekce on July 19, 2012, 09:13:05 pm
If you turn on object shadows you can dodge and see obstacles,and also see trough obstacles.
So that would be a true advantage as a HA/lancer. 
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Korgoth on July 19, 2012, 09:13:26 pm
Wait wait wait WAIT.

So what you are saying is, not only is Lungy OP easy mode cav... but he is also an exploiting OP easy mode cav? Haahahahaha!! Lungy why you such a noob?

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Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on July 19, 2012, 09:14:33 pm
He runs into invisible rocks and walls. What's he going to do if he sees me behind a wall? Shoot me with his M16 with Deep Impact? You can already see around walls with the tilde key; it doesn't matter.

i guess it's not that hard to add signs on transparent objects for a modder, so he knows where he is running into. and tilde key is not cheat, since it's an in-game feature, everyone can use it and it works only in close quarters.

also,

If you turn on object shadows you can dodge and see obstacles,and aslo see trough obstacles.

this
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Korgoth on July 19, 2012, 09:17:33 pm
I can't believe you said this is cheating, I mean this is the best settings I can play on, me and my family is not very rich thats why I have to play on this setting, check on Asia server, there is not many players there, guess why? It is because not many asians can afford the damn thing to buy computer/ games, all of their wages is so damn low, you need to stop being racist towards me just because i am one of them, it doesn't gain any advantage either

not everyone is as rich as you my dear, ban me for playing in dx7 on lowest settings and a shitty graphics texture enhancement mod for my game.

Stop playing on a fucking Gameboy...

Have you seen M&B's system requirements? You seriously must be playing a something run by a Hamster if you can't run it even on lowest settings...
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on July 19, 2012, 09:19:15 pm
Stop playing on a fucking Gameboy...

inb4 he accuses you for being racist and starts the poverty drama
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Dionysus on July 19, 2012, 09:24:25 pm
Only one person is doing it, and it isn't even practical. You're making a mountain out of a molehill.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on July 19, 2012, 09:25:23 pm
Only one person is doing it, and it isn't even practical. You're making a mountain out of a molehill.

this might be the visible part of the iceberg, maybe you are one of those who hide underwater?
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Lichen on July 19, 2012, 09:28:27 pm
I resize all my textures since I don't have a huge monitor that needs such high texture resolution and so it doesn't take forever to load a map and I can play the game without constant stuttering. As far as changing textures to be invisible, different colors etc they still have to beat their opponent. I think it's a bit sad they are that desperate for advantage but I don't really care if they do that. Also I think teamspeak etc is also a way to gain the 'upper hand' in game yet nobody seems to care about that. I've had clan members instantly turn around when there is no way they could have known someone was behind them because their buddies told them no doubt. Sneaking up on a clanner is often impossible because of that. Is that fair? Not really but I don't cry about it. I like challenge.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Dionysus on July 19, 2012, 09:32:21 pm
this might be the visible part of the iceberg, maybe you are one of those who hide underwater?
I run full settings, but I think this is a ridiculous a witch hunt for one guy who can see through some stacks of hay.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: _Tak_ on July 19, 2012, 09:33:07 pm
oh lol again that racism weapon, i don't want you to get punished because you are poor or your pc is crap or you are asian. i'm altaic asian, so this has nothing to do with races or any demographics, please don't go full retard again.

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this is the main reason, you've confessed yourself while slandering a poor dude in that thread as usually you do. you have x-ray vision, imo it's quite similar to autoblock. as a sniper, bushes etc are the only thing that i can trust in open field cav rape maps. but with your edited graphics, you can easily pick targets like me and leave me totally defenseless. at first, you said you could remove objects, now you are denying it after being caught. god knows if you also have edited objects which are transparent enough to let you see who is behind it.

btw i didn't mention that you can edit weather conditions, i know it's based on server. what i've said according to your screenshot is you have much better visibility range during the fog. this must be investigated as well. when i have fog, i can't see 5 meters away, but you have crystal clear vision over a long distance in your screenshot. having a crap pc is not an excuse to cheat.


btw stop editing original quotes from me, it's mute reason on forums.

You started to go against me after I post a ban request on you very very long time ago, I believe this is the truth. So we have come to this, yes I have said the words above but I often say things without thinking just like what Meow have told me, it seems you are misunderstand me, I do not have any sort of x-ray vision, as I said earlier bushes, haystacks cannot be removed and can only change the texture of them, when you remove them they will turn into dark/ white bushes which is extremely harder to see than normal bushes:
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Yes I have said I know how to remove objects, not all things are "Removable", but removing them is indeed a very bad idea, and I have not deny it, there is no way on warband modding knoweldge that any man know how to change objects which are transparent enough to let people see through. However as I said earlier i can remove objects,  but there is a down side of this. When you remove objects like trees, walls, stairs, ladders, castles everything will become invisible. If you do this you will run into invisible barriers, which will stop you after you run into it, and you will see people behind those invisible barriers yes, but if you shoot them the arrow will stuck into those invisible barriers, which means those arrows will never harm them and you won't be able to know when you can shoot them, because invisible objects that you removed could be everywhere. About better visbility range during the fog I don;t understand what you are talking about. Fog's level on warband is different everytime, sometime its big heavy fog, sometime its small,
when it is big fog i can't see 5 meters away either, what you are saying is totally false, warband's fog level is based on the server/ coding in python, I know how to change and remove the fog in single player, to change the fog's level you must be one of the dev on mods, sadly i am not so your argument is invalid.

If you turn on object shadows you can dodge and see obstacles,and also see trough obstacles.
So that would be a true advantage as a HA/lancer.

I am sorry but shadow is one of the major factor that can cause lag to weak pc/laptops, I have it turn off and I have no idea what you are trying to say. People can already turn on/off in option inside warband.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Rhekimos on July 19, 2012, 09:37:58 pm
You started to go against me after I post a ban request on you very very long time ago, I believe this is the truth. So we have come to this, yes I have said the words above but I often say things without thinking just like what Meow have told me, it seems you are misunderstand me, I do not have any sort of x-ray vision, as I said earlier bushes, haystacks cannot be removed and can only change the texture of them, when you remove them they will turn into dark/ white bushes which is extremely harder to see than normal bushes:
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Yes I have said I know how to remove objects, not all things are "Removable", but removing them is indeed a very bad idea, and I have not deny it, there is no way on warband modding knoweldge that any man know how to change objects which are transparent enough to let people see through. However as I said earlier i can remove objects,  but there is a down side of this. When you remove objects like trees, walls, stairs, ladders, castles everything will become invisible. If you do this you will run into invisible barriers, which will stop you after you run into it, and you will see people behind those invisible barriers yes, but if you shoot them the arrow will stuck into those invisible barriers, which means those arrows will never harm them and you won't be able to know when you can shoot them, because invisible objects that you removed could be everywhere. About better visbility range during the fog I don;t understand what you are talking about. Fog's level on warband is different everytime, sometime its big heavy fog, sometime its small,
when it is big fog i can't see 5 meters away either, what you are saying is totally false, warband's fog level is based on the server/ coding in python, I know how to change and remove the fog in single player, to change the fog's level you must be one of the dev on mods, sadly i am not so your argument is invalid.

I am sorry but shadow is one of the major factor that can cause lag to weak pc/laptops, I have it turn off and I have no idea what you are trying to say. People can already turn on/off in option inside warband.

So, you don't have a wallhack.

Truly a storm in a teacup.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Korgoth on July 19, 2012, 09:38:09 pm
I've always wondered why Lungy stupidly charges at pikes and spears with a couch lance. It's probably because he can't fucking see the weapon...

To be honest I don't care about a ban, I just find it hilarious how you actually need to do this to gain an advantage over people, since when did you need to see through bushes to suicide charge the enemy spawn, die and respawn?

ALSO LUNGY!!!
Why do you ALWAYS whine about there being no Chinese armour? You can't even fucking see the armour in your screenshots?
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Mlekce on July 19, 2012, 09:39:14 pm
You can't but what stops me to remove everything,and leave shadows and have xray vision? Get the point?
Everyone can do that and gain advantage.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Mlekce on July 19, 2012, 09:41:44 pm
I would rather not play the game,then play with that shitty graphic. Sega looks better then this.
I play my game with dx9 with lowest settings,and i lag,and it is choppy but i would rather have that then play with graphic like this.
Post ur pc spec please.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Rhekimos on July 19, 2012, 09:41:49 pm
I've always wondered why Lungy stupidly charges at pikes and spears with a couch lance. It's probably because he can't fucking see the weapon...

To be honest I don't care about a ban, I just find it hilarious how you actually need to do this to gain an advantage over people, since when did you need to see through bushes to suicide charge the enemy spawn, die and respawn?

He's trying to play the game at an even ground. I regularly get shit fps and various kinds of animation skips at the lowest settings offered by vanilla Warband. And that's on my best computer, a desktop.

I can't imagine what kind of horror is involved in playing the game on an old laptop.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Hearst_ on July 19, 2012, 09:44:16 pm
hesap makinesinden mi oynuo bu heammına
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on July 19, 2012, 09:47:15 pm
bushes, haystacks cannot be removed and can only change the texture of them, when you remove them they will turn into dark/ white bushes which is extremely harder to see than normal bushes.
You can (not saying you do it) make bushes and trees 100% seethrough, and I'm pretty sure it'd also be easy to make walls and the like 50% seethrough.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Lactose_the_intolerant on July 19, 2012, 09:51:24 pm
you need to stop being racist towards me just because i am one of them

really? you played the racism card?

you'r even a bigger douche then i thought
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: LordBerenger on July 19, 2012, 09:51:35 pm
MY EYES!
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Ernst Kugelmeier on July 19, 2012, 09:57:28 pm
Why would he even play a game that looks so terrible for him? Seems pointless to me, like playing Pacman to the sound of a medieval battle. Also I am amazed that anyone has a PC so shit it cant run this crappy old game.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Auphilia on July 19, 2012, 09:57:48 pm
I'm not sure how I feel about the guy using my avatar and named Cpt_MacMillan...

The avatar is clearly Ghost and not MacMillan.  :rolleyes:

ANYWAYS, I think it should be punishable. Like some of you said, it isn't fair for stealth players. I'm tired of everyone having x-ray ghost busting GPS all the damn time when I'm perfectly capable of ghosting the entire remaining enemy team. You have people all the way across the map homing in on you like they can see into your soul, yet the people who don't cheat can't see you from 5 feet away (AKA STEALTH). Not only should it be against the rules to modify files to gain such advantages against stealth players or players in general, I think spectate mode needs a rework as well. If you are a stealth player and a clan is tired of you ghosting them, they will simply cheat and have one of their members spectate you as they give away your position via Teamspeak or whatever. I mean common. Give us stealth players a break. We respect you by not using a horse, by not being a kiting archer, and by having absolutely no real advantages against any other class other than stealth (being able to hit first and remain hidden). When you take that away we don't have much left to work with. I think spectate mode should be limited to teammates ONLY. Many will argue that this is just a game for fun, but we all know this is a very competitive game for "fun" and that "fun" is severely crippled when players cheat and abuse game mechanics. A lot of the fun is in besting your opponents and helping your team win. It is hard to do that when every other player is using heart-monitor GPS radio coordinate x-ray vision bullshit. Go play single player if you want to win that badly.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Korgoth on July 19, 2012, 09:58:33 pm
really? you played the racism card?

you'r even a bigger douche then i thought

Tell me about it. I fucking hate people who do that.

Lungy why you being racist calling us rich? Facist!!! Ban Ban Ban!!
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Iymore on July 19, 2012, 09:59:08 pm
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Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Miwiw on July 19, 2012, 10:00:06 pm
I voted no. The game looks so shit on those screens that it is possible to ruin the eyes. Not even that is punishment enough but at the same time he doesnt get a real advantage by that.
Someone with highest graphics who does not lag can still play better than that.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on July 19, 2012, 10:01:41 pm
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i do this not only because you had slandered me pathetically in the past but also you do this everytime when a person makes mistake. whenever i login to forums, i see you bitching about random noobs in ban section. but in reality you are the biggest jerk lurking around, leeching & suicide charging and now editing objects. i didn't say that you remove items, but i'm sure it's pretty easy for a modder to flatten rocks, objects, hays etc. and i guess it's not that hard to equal all fog effects to the lightest one. i don't know why you've removed all the screenshots you had posted in ban section and added some creepy ones here, they had enough evidences on what we are talking about, but removing them won't change the fact that you've confessed the abuse. i can tolerate griefing, flaming, even teamkilling but this is not acceptable, especially if it's done by an hypocrite who enjoys accusing people and slandering their reputations.

really? you played the racism card?

you'r even a bigger douche then i thought

yes he did, plus he accused me for bullying poor people lawl
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Auphilia on July 19, 2012, 10:01:57 pm
That is just one example....this is covering all modified files, not just his one specific example...

Imagine the people who use high settings for everything AND have slightly invisible walls/bushes JUST FOR THE ADVANTAGE. Don't say no one does that, because bullshit they don't.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Rhekimos on July 19, 2012, 10:03:45 pm
Why would he even play a game that looks so terrible for him? Seems pointless to me, like playing Pacman to the sound of a medieval battle. Also I am amazed that anyone has a PC so shit it cant run this crappy old game.

Maybe he just doesn't care about pretty graphics that much, and instead about the actual gameplay? Something that's often forgotten with gaming these days.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on July 19, 2012, 10:04:26 pm
I voted no. The game looks so shit on those screens that it is possible to ruin the eyes. Not even that is punishment enough but at the same time he doesnt get a real advantage by that.
Someone with highest graphics who does not lag can still play better than that.

you haven't seen the removed screenshots where you could easily spot anyone lurking behind the bushes, trees etc, regardless of the distance.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Rhekimos on July 19, 2012, 10:06:38 pm
That is just one example....this is covering all modified files, not just his one specific example...

Imagine the people who use high settings for everything AND have slightly invisible walls/bushes JUST FOR THE ADVANTAGE. Don't say no one does that, because bullshit they don't.

If this is possible, it would indeed be a problem. Wallhacking provides an unfair advantage.

This is about someone who just tries to play the game with a lower than average computer, however.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on July 19, 2012, 10:10:58 pm
This is about someone who just tries to play the game with a lower than average computer, however.

this is not only about someone who tries to play the game innocently on a crap pc but also someone who turns it to his advantage by editing graphics beyond the game's limit. he already confessed that he has x-ray benefits and those screenshots were proving it.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Auphilia on July 19, 2012, 10:12:09 pm
Quote
If this is possible, it would indeed be a problem. Wallhacking provides an unfair advantage.

This is about someone who just tries to play the game with a lower than average computer, however.


No it isn't. Read the first sentence of the original post. It is about modifying files to gain an advantage over other players. The example turns things controversial by changing it from "advantages" to a some sympathetic case involving this guy with the worst graphics since pong.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: _Tak_ on July 19, 2012, 10:18:48 pm
really? you played the racism card?

you'r even a bigger douche then i thought

I am not very good at arguing with people. Well in my heart is feels like he is one of those people who bully me in real life of racism, and it hurts alot

You can (not saying you do it) make bushes and trees 100% seethrough, and I'm pretty sure it'd also be easy to make walls and the like 50% seethrough.

Zlisch removing them will also remove other objects, it's like some objects are linking with each other, if you change the texture of one of them, some others will also affected by this and as a horse rider i often ride my horse into invisible barriers and die because of it, will never do it again. I don't want to repeat this but i don't think it is possible to do whatever so called x-ray in warband because i honestly don't think the game engine will let the modders to do that. Since i am not an expert coder like cmp i have no idea to do so.

...

Got banned for respawning, so far mostly all cav do suicide charging and attack enemy spawn, yet it is not breaking the server rules, will act as a good normal player now and will never do it again. Indeed sometime I cannot see the weapons of what the enemy is using because my resolution is too low

Why would he even play a game that looks so terrible for him? Seems pointless to me, like playing Pacman to the sound of a medieval battle. Also I am amazed that anyone has a PC so shit it cant run this crappy old game.

When i first play warband on multiplayer last year cRPG was the first mod i played, and if i could choose what is the best game in the world i would vote for warband since i also make mods.

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i do this not only because you had slandered me pathetically in the past but also you do this everytime when a person makes mistake. whenever i login to forums, i see you bitching about random noobs in ban section. but in reality you are the biggest jerk lurking around, leeching & suicide charging and now editing objects. i didn't say that you remove items, but i'm sure it's pretty easy for a modder to flatten rocks, objects, hays etc. and i guess it's not that hard to equal all fog effects to the lightest one. i don't know why you've removed all the screenshots you had posted in ban section and added some creepy ones here, they had enough evidences on what we are talking about, but removing them won't change the fact that you've confessed the abuse. i can tolerate griefing, flaming, even teamkilling but this is not acceptable, especially if it's done by an hypocrite who enjoys accusing people and slandering their reputations.

yes he did, plus he accused me for bullying poor people lawl

Well I only been saying few things on unban forum and yet i have not got any sort of warning for spamming. I been playing cRPG with the edited graphics since i play on my laptop, been using that sort of graphics in normal warband / on other mods. If I did make you feels like i am a jerk then as i said before most of the time i post without thinking. If you are angry at me like Zlisch then i apologize to you, i am not a good communicator nor know how to use effective communication. Since I clear the matter with ABUUZER i think it would be good to remove all the screenshots since the case is closed. Yes you said attacking enemy spawn = suicide charging and we have a huge argument on there. I should have say sorry to you long time ago when i made the ban request, good memory you have indeed. But I just can't take it when i am about to argue with people since i also have troubles with that in real life. Would be great if we could make peace within each other and you have my word sir

Even so, apparently with certain shadow settings you will see where the edges of walls
Once you remove the walls, they will become indivisible and there will be no shadows at all


No it isn't. Read the first sentence of the original post. It is about modifying files to gain an advantage over other players. The example turns things controversial by changing it from "advantages" to a some sympathetic case involving this guy with the worst graphics since pong.

Please stop with this bullshit with X-ray, you have no experience in warband's modding, there is no such thing as x-ray and I see this as a joke, modifying the files in game does not work if you are not one of the dev in my knowledge, dev is pretty much the only people who can actually cheat with this mod (Not talking about auto blocks), i have said this many times and will not repeat again, i have not use any thing like wall-hack, its actually funny that you people really think that such thing can exist in warband, so far in my knowledge the hack that exist in multiplayer is the auto block, the dev in cRPG is one of expert of experts unlike me who is just a beginner to start modding. Start to become a modder, i doubt you will ever managed to be the first guy who invent so called wall-hack. Bushes and hays are link with other objects, if they are removed others will get removed also, and i hate being run into invisible barriers without knowing/ seeing where they are
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Rhekimos on July 19, 2012, 10:19:34 pm
this is not only about someone who tries to play the game innocently on a crap pc but also someone who turns it to his advantage by editing graphics beyond the game's limit. he already confessed that he has x-ray benefits and those screenshots were proving it.

I was under the impression that he couldn't remove bushes without also removing walls and stones. If he does that, it's a clear advantage.

Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Grumbs on July 19, 2012, 10:23:32 pm
I was under the impression that he couldn't remove bushes without also removing walls and stones. If he does that, it's a clear advantage.

Even so, apparently with certain shadow settings you will see where the edges of walls would be anyway so its not like you would stumble around unable to maneuvre. If someone removes walls its not hard to imagine someone coming up with a hack to make it clear where the wall should be while it still be an effective wallhack.

Cav being able to react to players positions before even coming around corners would be a huge advantage. Also how many times have you been swarmed by players when you underestimated the numbers?

Theoretically speaking ofc, I'm not talking about the OP
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Rhekimos on July 19, 2012, 10:25:31 pm
Even so, apparently with certain shadow settings you will see where the edges of walls would be anyway so its not like you would stumble around unable to maneuvre. If someone removes walls its not hard to imagine someone coming up with a hack to make it clear where the wall should be while it still be an effective wallhack.

Cav being able to react to players positions before even coming around corners would be a huge advantage.

Theoretically speaking ofc, I'm not talking about the OP

Having a wallhack would be cheating, I agree. And very beneficial to any class.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Auphilia on July 19, 2012, 10:32:01 pm
You don't have to remove things completely, I'm sure it is POSSIBLE to increase/decrease the TRANSPARENCY of a texture. Hence, X-ray vision.

I'm not saying you do it Alex. This isn't really about you. You were just one example out of many. Just because you don't know how to do something, doesn't mean it can't be done. I don't know why you feel it is necessary to try and tell me what I do or don't know. It doesn't matter what I do or don't know. What matters is that people CAN and DO cheat using modified files. Period. That's what the topic is about folks, not Alex, not the difficulty in modifying files, not the eye-punishing graphics caused by it, but the idea of modifying files to gain an advantage over other players.

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Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: LordBerenger on July 19, 2012, 10:39:41 pm
All i got out from this is that there's too many CRPG players using COD avatars.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Rhekimos on July 19, 2012, 10:41:40 pm
You don't have to remove things completely, I'm sure it is POSSIBLE to increase/decrease the TRANSPARENCY of a texture.

A good multiplayer engine wouldn't allow that. Just as easy it is to change the textures, it's easy for the game engine to remove transparency.

I'd be interested to hear from a modder about this, though.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: _Tak_ on July 19, 2012, 10:42:56 pm
You don't have to remove things completely, I'm sure it is POSSIBLE to increase/decrease the TRANSPARENCY of a texture. Hence, X-ray vision.

I'm not saying you do it Alex. This isn't really about you. You were just one example out of many. Just because you don't know how to do something, doesn't mean it can't be done. I don't know why you feel it is necessary to try and tell me what I do or don't know. It doesn't matter what I do or don't know. What matters is that people CAN and DO cheat using modified files. Period. That's what the topic is about folks, not Alex, not the difficulty in modifying files, not the eye-punishing graphics caused by it, but the idea of modifying files to gain an advantage over other players.

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I see, i do hope its not about me because the thread about perma-ban seems to me is all about me. Like perma-ban this bundle of sticks for his my old friendgtry. I am like being accuse/ judging on a court like a criminal lol

Post ur pc spec please.

My laptop have been rated 1.1 out of 10. It used to be 2.5 2 months ago but after some sort of computer update it turn itself down, I will probably get a new one when i get a job next year.  When I first buy this laptop i think it is decent and cheap, but after the thing is outdated virus invade and start killing the laptop's performance...also many porn sites have virus too
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Auphilia on July 19, 2012, 10:49:08 pm
I personally voted that it should be against the rules (punishable). Not permabanned on first offense.

Maybe the devs can make a crpg-light version which minimizes textures and whatever else players might need for ultimate performance WITHOUT giving them any advantage what so ever (other than performance). I would be fine with the developers doing such a thing, however, I am not fine with any player deciding it is okay to modify files to gain unfair advantages.

Also Contra, a good multiplayer engine wouldn't allow autoblock or aimbots or anything either. Crpg can only ban those who use it, not make it impossible for people to use it. I see no reason that people wouldn't find a way to modify files for other advantages.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Rhekimos on July 19, 2012, 10:53:57 pm
Also Contra, a good multiplayer engine wouldn't allow autoblock or aimbots or anything either. Crpg can only ban those who use it, not make it impossible for people to use it. I see no reason that people wouldn't find a way to modify files for other advantages.

Even the best engine has a very hard time coping with cheaters that alter the running process of the game. This is what aimbots or autoblocks are. They are also called "trainers".
Altering the game isn't always bad though; Our very own cmp made the launcher that uses this very same process to add more content to the game, like rageball.

However, just removing transparency from a texture is very much in the power of the game engine itself.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: _Tak_ on July 19, 2012, 10:57:43 pm
Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!

My K/D ratio isn't that great and many players know that i am just a decent/normal cRPG player:
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When playing HA i have the worse K/D ratio ever in cRPG. Have all MW stuff too, HA stuff is too over expensive, I mean playing as HA i will never make any money, as lancer you make shit load of gold + kills and to be honest it is almost the worse class to play in cRPG, they are only good at killing horses and their damage is way too low.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on July 19, 2012, 10:58:33 pm
To be honest I don't care about a ban, I just find it hilarious how you actually need to do this to gain an advantage over people, since when did you need to see through bushes to suicide charge the enemy spawn, die and respawn?
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Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Korgoth on July 19, 2012, 11:07:31 pm
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Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Auphilia on July 19, 2012, 11:10:23 pm
Contra, I don't know how they would do it. That was just an example. I'm sure they know how to find ways. That is the point.

It is either impossible for them to do it, or it is possible for them to do it.
In the event that it is possible, which many of us agree upon, we now ask ourselves whether or not it should be punishable.

I agree it should be punishable.

I'm not sure why we are debating anything more or less.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Rhekimos on July 19, 2012, 11:14:28 pm
Contra, I don't know how they would do it. That was just an example. I'm sure they know how to find ways. That is the point.

It is either impossible for them to do it, or it is possible for them to do it.
In the event that it is possible, which many of us agree upon, we now ask ourselves whether or not it should be punishable.

I agree it should be punishable.

I'm not sure why we are debating anything more or less.

Because everything is connected to everything. If you disallow custom mods to cRPG, you also remove a lot of great stuff. Like the heirloom item pack.

This is why it's important to not be short-sighted about this, and calmly assess how much advantage it's possible to gain this way.

If you can make a wallhack this way, something should be done.

If you can't make a wallhack this way, you just got rid of a lot of cool mods for absolutely nothing.

Knee-jerk reactions rarely lead to good decisions.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on July 19, 2012, 11:16:20 pm
You don't have to remove things completely, I'm sure it is POSSIBLE to increase/decrease the TRANSPARENCY of a texture. Hence, X-ray vision.

I'm not saying you do it Alex. This isn't really about you. You were just one example out of many. Just because you don't know how to do something, doesn't mean it can't be done. I don't know why you feel it is necessary to try and tell me what I do or don't know. It doesn't matter what I do or don't know. What matters is that people CAN and DO cheat using modified files. Period. That's what the topic is about folks, not Alex, not the difficulty in modifying files, not the eye-punishing graphics caused by it, but the idea of modifying files to gain an advantage over other players.

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alex is just an example about the fact that people are modding graphics to get upper hand in-game. this is what i wanted people to discuss here and how it should be tracked and punished.

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well, to be honest, i don't give any single shit to your irl problems. you'll be better if you keep your mental problems irl out of this forum when you talk to me. the reason why i'm pushing on you is your own behaviors against people on servers and on forum. i advise you to think before acting, especially think twice before you accuse someone and request ban. and also self criticism is another wise thing, slandering innocent people for the cases that you always do is one of the lowest thing you can do both on here and irl.

from now on people won't be able to play comfortably when you are on any server, because you already confessed that you have advantages of editing the object graphics, despite having a shit pc. many people including me will concern about your unfair advantages over us. there is nothing we can do except trusting people like you about not having any unfair modifications unless devs solve this problem. but to be honest, i won't trust someone like you who has shitloads of problems, therefore some strict sanctions must be done to prevent such bundle of sticksry.


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your shitty k/d or your class doesn't make abusing the graphics and game rules legal. btw k/d ratios on website are not correct.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: oprah_winfrey on July 19, 2012, 11:17:48 pm
My K/D ratio isn't that great and many players know that i am just a decent/normal cRPG player:
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When playing HA i have the worse K/D ratio ever in cRPG. Have all MW stuff too, HA stuff is too over expensive, I mean playing as HA i will never make any money, as lancer you make shit load of gold + kills and to be honest it is almost the worse class to play in cRPG, they are only good at killing horses and their damage is way too low.

Just because you don't do well doesn't mean its not cheating. Look at the people who have gotten banned for autoblocking, most of them are no named players who can't get kills even with perfect blocking. Do you think they shouldn't get permabanned?

You can make the same argument, oh well my ping is shitty and I get low fps so I can't see attacks as well as those with gaming computers and high speed internet so I use autoblocks to make it fair. Dont ban me or anything like that because that will make you racist against chinease.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Joker86 on July 19, 2012, 11:18:57 pm
While I think that in this case there is no real advantage taken (like someone with a ping of 800 using autoblocker - when he clicks it will be too late anyway), it is definitely worth thinking about it.

I don't think the advantage of a wallhack would be too big. This game is still about melee, it's not a real shooter, there is no shooting through solid objects, and most fighting is still done in melee, the only thing where a wallhack would help there would be knowing if someone is waiting behind a corner or not, but you need to be careful around corners anyway, so it's not worth the effort.

The only thing where this really matters is to be able to spot someone who is shooting either out of a haystack or a bush. And as I think those haystacks are lame and should all get an invisible skin, anyway, only the problem of the bushes remains. And to be honest: I never had problems spotting someone in bushes, a bush with someone hiding in it has a dark, often colourful shilouette in the middle which other bushes do not have, so with a little bit awareness you don't need a "bushhack"

Concerning the matter of invisible textures: I have literally NO CLUE of programming, but don't those bushes and trees have the "empty" texture around the leafs, the thing which is that chequer in Photoshop? You know, making them some kind of "ingame-.png"?

If so, then you could easily make a texture which consists mainly of "nothing", only with a few thin lines in a certain colour to show if it's wood or stone or whatever. That way houses, trees and other obstacles would look like some weird wire skeletons, you would see where they are but you could see everything behind them.

I guess the developers take so much time replying on this matter as they need to be careful what to say and what not, to not encourage some cheating attempts. Perhaps my post will even be edited or deleted, if I am right...  :?

On the other hand I still say that the "cheat" is not really a massive advantage, only a small help in certain situations. That's why I wouldn't take it too serious.

Anyway we have massive differences in gaming quality concerning the systems. I have a good system, I have HDR enabled, and I can see perfectly at night. I heard many people can't see shit at night. Am I cheating? If not, where is the line? Implemented option or not? What makes this a good line? :?
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Auphilia on July 19, 2012, 11:20:07 pm
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Topic: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!

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If the modified files aren't getting anyone an upper hand, and is purely aesthetic, then they do not apply to this and therefore need not be discussed.

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And to be honest: I never had problems spotting someone in bushes

You haven't played against me, Joker. I've ghosted people point blank in bushes.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: _Tak_ on July 19, 2012, 11:25:02 pm
Just because you don't do well doesn't mean its not cheating.

Yes but all i know/ doing is to lower the graphics as much as possible, please do not link me to cheaters or accuse me as a fucking cheater. I am tired of replying to this thread, nor I will spend time on it no more, Playing on Dx7, 640x480 resolution, everything white and some invisible shit appears in front of you feels good huh?

There is a limit of stuff you can change within warband, no I wasn't changing anything in cRPG, on warband and yet you people keep thinking about hacking/ cheating, this is completely bullshit, it might be possible to hack, but if you are not one of the dev that made this mod it is not possible to hack

there is no way anyone will get caught for editing game graphics, well I was dumb enough to say such things, but still its better to wait for one of the dev to answer these kind of stupid arguments/ questions, i am out

Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Mlekce on July 19, 2012, 11:27:19 pm
Joker dude,you are not seeing this right.
Imagine you have fog,so archer can shoot from faar away like it is sunny day and no way you can see that he is shooting at you and from where.
Lancer would have advantage of seeing what inf is not aware,and where is the big enemy mob,and where are the loners.
So you can go and avoid pikes,archers and shit,and go for safe kills.
You could avoid getting ambushed by someone in siedge,because some ppl are hiding behind wall,and they just wait for you to come closer to release attack.
You would know where to move,where not to go,you would know if archer behind tree is shooting someone,or is he reloading,you would know if is he spoted you or not.
This is 50% of game skill. Knowing where to go,and where not.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Rhekimos on July 19, 2012, 11:28:07 pm
:|

If the modified files aren't getting anyone an upper hand, and is purely aesthetic, then they do not apply to this and therefore need not be discussed.

The problem is that the only practical way to combat this is removing the purely aesthetic mods as well!

Just look at:


cRPG launcher can replace every cRPG module related file but these are warband files. With custom client and launcher I guess it will be possible to run simple scheduled check for files integrity and, in case of changed textures and other warband files, redownload them (forced update).

It will just deny access to the server.
That said, nobody will be banned.

It's already being considered due to the amount of whine here.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: oprah_winfrey on July 19, 2012, 11:31:30 pm
Yes but all i know/ doing is to lower the graphics as much as possible, please do not link me to cheaters or accuse me as a fucking cheater. I am tired of replying to this thread, nor I will spend time on it no more, Playing on Dx7, 640x480 resolution, everything white and some invisible shit appears in front of you feels good huh?

I play on dx7, just not all super low settings.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on July 19, 2012, 11:35:17 pm
Joker dude,you are not seeing this right.
Imagine you have fog,so archer can shoot from faar away like it is sunny day and no way you can see that he is shooting at you and from where.
Lancer would have advantage of seeing what inf is not aware,and where is the big enemy mob,and where are the loners.
So you can go and avoid pikes,archers and shit,and go for safe kills.
You could avoid getting ambushed by someone in siedge,because some ppl are hiding behind wall,and they just wait for you to come closer to release attack.
You would know where to move,where not to go,you would know if archer behind tree is shooting someone,or is he reloading,you would know if is he spoted you or not.
This is 50% of game skill. Knowing where to go,and where not.

this.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Joker86 on July 19, 2012, 11:50:48 pm
Joker dude,you are not seeing this right.
Imagine you have fog,so archer can shoot from faar away like it is sunny day and no way you can see that he is shooting at you and from where.
Lancer would have advantage of seeing what inf is not aware,and where is the big enemy mob,and where are the loners.
So you can go and avoid pikes,archers and shit,and go for safe kills.
You could avoid getting ambushed by someone in siedge,because some ppl are hiding behind wall,and they just wait for you to come closer to release attack.
You would know where to move,where not to go,you would know if archer behind tree is shooting someone,or is he reloading,you would know if is he spoted you or not.
This is 50% of game skill. Knowing where to go,and where not.

Okay, you might be right, although I would say this can only increase your overall performance by like 5% or so, as I think most of those inconviniences can also be avoided through good awareness.

And just concerning the fog thing: on a regular base we always have half the people having fog, half don't. It appears as often as bug, a "foghack" won't change much there...
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: sF_Guardian on July 19, 2012, 11:53:51 pm
I guess in Lungys case this should be okay, I feel more sorry for him and his laptop :(
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on July 19, 2012, 11:54:21 pm
as I think most of those inconviniences can also be avoided through good awareness.
And most of the hits coming at you can be avoided by good blocking skills, so, allow autoblocker?
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Vicious666 on July 20, 2012, 12:28:13 am
i have modify my client also, all player appear like they are retard

later i figured out that my version have no difference from the original one
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Rhekimos on July 20, 2012, 12:32:19 am
And most of the hits coming at you can be avoided by good blocking skills, so, allow autoblocker?

A powerful comparison, if not exactly a fair one.

There is an ocean of difference between being able to see a little better (not using a wallhack, mind you) and using a cheat that plays the game for you.

And I don't think anyone is saying that wallhacking should be allowed.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on July 20, 2012, 12:32:22 am
What's the point in having scenery if it can't be used in battle field tactics because some people can bypass its effect entirely?

I hate players having an unfair advantage, its like having a wallhack, or bushhack in this case, it detracts from the variety of game-play elements that make the game more enjoyable for the majority, maybe map editors should remove bushes in their entirety and make maps more boring and hiding in bushes a thing of the past, because their tactical use has been negated.

It's understandable that some player have incredibly shit computers thus want to make the game as playable as possible, but unfortunately in the world of gaming, the way to play games your computer can't handle is to consider upgrading your computer, you shouldn't just making new games look shitter and shitter just to be able to play them, first in multi-player games it encourages unfair advantages, and secondly you won't actually be experiencing the game how it's meant to be experienced thus detracting from your own experience.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: TurmoilTom on July 20, 2012, 12:37:47 am
I considered doing this back when I started noticing people were doing it (about a few months after I started playing).

Decided I cared more about my game looking nice than gaining an extremely minute advantage.

If people do it, fine by me. A good looking game for a slight pvp advantage sounds like a fair trade-off to me.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on July 20, 2012, 12:40:07 am
A powerful comparison, if not exactly a fair one.

There is an ocean of difference between being able to see a little better (not using a wallhack, mind you) and using a cheat that plays the game for you.
Autoblock hardly plays the game for you, I should know, I was permabanned for autoblocking last autoblock banwave, it only blocks for you, you still gotta have good footwork, timing, attack directioning, etc, or you could be an xbowman, hiding in a bush, there autoblock would only be used when people happen to randomly 1% of the time find you by mistake or they use a cheat to look through the bushes.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Grumbs on July 20, 2012, 12:44:13 am
What about having a good looking game but being about to see through walls/bushes/trees/rocks etc? Or replacing them with smaller things that still look good but reveal players positions?

We have 2 issues here, innocent guys that just want to squeeze all the FPS out of their pc as they can, and people who just want to cheat while using the "its for performance" personal excuse to justify cheating to themselves or others. Then you also have the cheaters who don't care about making excuses and do it with the full intention of exploiting the game, while still having good graphics. Even if I got more FPS on a crap pc I wouldn't dream of editing out scenery so that I have a false interpretation of what others on the server see. If someone is concealed according to the game he should be for every player
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Exitialis on July 20, 2012, 12:45:35 am
i have modify my client also, all player appear like they are retard

later i figured out that my version have no difference from the original one
+1


I think it's punishment enough to play with that kind of graphics.
And if someone with a good computer is playing with such graphics just to win easier, then they're just pathetic...
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Rhekimos on July 20, 2012, 12:50:11 am
Autoblock hardly plays the game for you, I should know, I was permabanned for autoblocking last autoblock banwave, it only blocks for you, you still gotta have good footwork, timing, attack directioning, etc, or you could be an xbowman, hiding in a bush, there autoblock would only be used when people happen to randomly 1% of the time find you by mistake or they use a cheat to look through the bushes.

I see.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Leshma on July 20, 2012, 12:56:49 am
+1


I think it's punishment enough to play with that kind of graphics.
And if someone with a good computer is playing with such graphics just to win easier, then they're just pathetic...

Aren't you the guy who glitched through wooden floor in order to get to place which was heavily guarded on both entry points?
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Korgoth on July 20, 2012, 12:57:21 am
Wahhh I'm so poor my computer can't handle the game!!

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Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Rhekimos on July 20, 2012, 01:03:58 am

Wahh, people with poor computers are able to play as well as me!!

Fixed that for you.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Exitialis on July 20, 2012, 01:06:32 am
Aren't you the guy who glitched through wooden floor in order to get to place which was heavily guarded on both entry points?
Leshma still butthurt from that sword I shoved up your poopyhole?
But yes you are right, that was a bug, and should be fixed(but how?). I've seen many such places where you can come up from underneath. I have had it happen to me too.
But please, Leshma, you can't mean that you're still angry with that?

My "glitching" was not intentional, nor was it premeditated. This on the other hand...
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Leshma on July 20, 2012, 01:10:19 am
It is a bug but that doesn't mean you have to abuse it. Same goes for pike through teammates/walls abuse.

But people still do it and they do it because they can.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Rhekimos on July 20, 2012, 01:28:34 am
It is a bug but that doesn't mean you have to abuse it. Same goes for pike through teammates/walls abuse.

But people still do it and they do it because they can.

It's like spinstab never existed for 2h. Half the reason why 2h is so strong still is buggy, mistimed animations.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on July 20, 2012, 01:46:53 am
wahahahahaha
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Korgoth on July 20, 2012, 02:02:44 am
Fixed that for you.

Who are you?
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Rhekimos on July 20, 2012, 02:05:33 am
Who are you?

My game nick is in its proper place. A pleasure to meet you.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on July 20, 2012, 02:11:27 am
My game nick is in its proper place. A pleasure to meet you.
Still thinking this:
Who are you?
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Rhekimos on July 20, 2012, 02:16:06 am
Still thinking this:

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I hope your confusion doesn't last long.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Paul on July 20, 2012, 09:20:07 am
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Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Andswaru on July 20, 2012, 09:24:40 am
Urist deserves a nobel prize for solving a problem that has plauged the first world for over 30 years!
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Trikipum on July 20, 2012, 10:03:51 am
I am not very good at arguing with people. Well in my heart is feels like he is one of those people who bully me in real life of racism, and it hurts alot

Zlisch removing them will also remove other objects, it's like some objects are linking with each other, if you change the texture of one of them, some others will also affected by this and as a horse rider i often ride my horse into invisible barriers and die because of it, will never do it again. I don't want to repeat this but i don't think it is possible to do whatever so called x-ray in warband because i honestly don't think the game engine will let the modders to do that. Since i am not an expert coder like cmp i have no idea to do so.

Got banned for respawning, so far mostly all cav do suicide charging and attack enemy spawn, yet it is not breaking the server rules, will act as a good normal player now and will never do it again. Indeed sometime I cannot see the weapons of what the enemy is using because my resolution is too low

When i first play warband on multiplayer last year cRPG was the first mod i played, and if i could choose what is the best game in the world i would vote for warband since i also make mods.

Well I only been saying few things on unban forum and yet i have not got any sort of warning for spamming. I been playing cRPG with the edited graphics since i play on my laptop, been using that sort of graphics in normal warband / on other mods. If I did make you feels like i am a jerk then as i said before most of the time i post without thinking. If you are angry at me like Zlisch then i apologize to you, i am not a good communicator nor know how to use effective communication. Since I clear the matter with ABUUZER i think it would be good to remove all the screenshots since the case is closed. Yes you said attacking enemy spawn = suicide charging and we have a huge argument on there. I should have say sorry to you long time ago when i made the ban request, good memory you have indeed. But I just can't take it when i am about to argue with people since i also have troubles with that in real life. Would be great if we could make peace within each other and you have my word sir
Once you remove the walls, they will become indivisible and there will be no shadows at all

Please stop with this bullshit with X-ray, you have no experience in warband's modding, there is no such thing as x-ray and I see this as a joke, modifying the files in game does not work if you are not one of the dev in my knowledge, dev is pretty much the only people who can actually cheat with this mod (Not talking about auto blocks), i have said this many times and will not repeat again, i have not use any thing like wall-hack, its actually funny that you people really think that such thing can exist in warband, so far in my knowledge the hack that exist in multiplayer is the auto block, the dev in cRPG is one of expert of experts unlike me who is just a beginner to start modding. Start to become a modder, i doubt you will ever managed to be the first guy who invent so called wall-hack. Bushes and hays are link with other objects, if they are removed others will get removed also, and i hate being run into invisible barriers without knowing/ seeing where they are
Talk for yourself filthy GK. NOT MOST riders spawn rape. Only Gks and similar lamers in general.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
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Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: v/onMega on July 20, 2012, 10:50:08 am
Lungy is po......he couldn t afford the or.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on July 20, 2012, 11:06:54 am
Lungy is po......he couldn t afford the or.

Lungy is poo......he couldn't afford the r.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Teeth on July 20, 2012, 11:09:26 am
Those people saying that this is a light old game with low requirements, you're wrong. Yes in an empty-ish scene with 2 players it runs pretty damn smooth very easily. As soon as you throw 140 players in the mix though, on a map like Riot In A Swadian City, I get framedrops. I have a pretty decent computer, able to run new games at full or nearly full graphics. This game has the optimization of Crysis.

Can anyone actually play with ragdolls, dead bodies and full settings everywhere on a full server with a performance heavy map?
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Overdriven on July 20, 2012, 11:24:12 am
O please, its as if everyone here has never played an FPS on MP. Think that bush hides you? Think again, that bastard on low graphics options can still see you.

This is nothing new, and on crpg it's hardly abusable.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Adamar on July 20, 2012, 11:32:26 am
Not new, it's easy to tell when a person just runs past a wall where you're hidding and starts swinging down his weapon before seeing you're there. There must be a way for them to know and my bet is on edited textures.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: RiPLeY_II on July 20, 2012, 11:33:28 am
The thing with the bushes is that it's a game feature to quit them.

Anyway the other day i was fighting a guy in that map with a camp full of corn plants, where you can't see shit, and he was manual-blocking all my slashes (like 15 in a row) without effort, even when feinting, while i coulnd't see shit (though i have a shield, and I could block blindly), if he had same vision i had, he couldn't have blocked a single slash, so i suspect that lowering graphics details to get a visibility advantage is a common thing amongst players.

I don't know if something can be done in the mod, with the thingy cmp invented (i can't remember the fucking name), in order to avoid bushes to disappear completely. I agree with them being less quality in order to gain performance, but not disappearing, as they're a high strategy spot in order to hide, fight blindly, etc ...
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: [ptx] on July 20, 2012, 11:36:52 am
Not new, it's easy to tell when a person just runs past a wall where you're hidding and starts swinging down his weapon before seeing you're there. There must be a way for them to know and my bet is on edited textures.
You know, it doesnt cost you anything to swing around corners, where you suspect there might be enemies?
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Adamar on July 20, 2012, 11:39:00 am
It seems too convenient.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Andswaru on July 20, 2012, 11:53:21 am
Can anyone actually play with ragdolls, dead bodies and full settings everywhere on a full server with a performance heavy map?

me.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: BlueKnight on July 20, 2012, 12:03:52 pm
Just because you don't do well doesn't mean its not cheating. Look at the people who have gotten banned for autoblocking, most of them are no named players who can't get kills even with perfect blocking. Do you think they shouldn't get permabanned?

You can make the same argument, oh well my ping is shitty and I get low fps so I can't see attacks as well as those with gaming computers and high speed internet so I use autoblocks to make it fair. Dont ban me or anything like that because that will make you racist against chinease.
Please... shit graphic =/= autoblock... His graphic is uglier than shit! It's enough big punishment lol. Why would anybody turn his game into this crap if it doesn't even give any kind of bonus.

What is your mentioned bonus?
-invisible objects? - cool because as a horseman you get stuck on these and you're dead
-xray vision? - connected with the thing above, it leads to horsemen' death
-more fps? - buying new pc gives more fps as well, should it be banable?

What are other advantages?
As long as he doesn't change textures of helmets to be damn pink and textures of arrows to be light green it is all ok. As long as he doesn't change textures of weapons to light red so it's easier to block it is all ok, but in his screenshots you can see that everything has similar colours which makes it harder to follow the movement of objects.
Have you ever had texture bug? I had a few times with invisible ground so I was running on the sky and it was terrible and affecting footwork as hell.
Also once I had invisible enemies and teammates.
And my favourite thing was when I could see a giant rock and my friends couldn't see it. Nobody could see it just me... I went inside (for lulz) and was happy that I was invisible which was bullshit and everybody could see me anyway.

I don't think Lungy gets any significant advantage so fucking close this thread or you'll make me nervous.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Overdriven on July 20, 2012, 12:04:53 pm
Anyone with half a brain will remember this mod:

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,19225.msg273915.html#msg273915

Looks rather similar.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Araxiel on July 20, 2012, 12:12:21 pm
When i set my game to the lowest, i still see hays and those big bushes.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: BlueKnight on July 20, 2012, 12:14:20 pm
Removing couple of bushes and hays will do nothing for his FPS, but for his cavalry game it will do much.
When you are cav your camera is on the higher position so it's not a problem anyway. You can see almost everything and please admit that 2 crossed vertical textures with holes don't give you much cover lol...
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Overdriven on July 20, 2012, 12:17:29 pm
Yup hiding in bushes in crpg is laughable at best. Hiding behind a tree is a bit more successful but you can usually still see the weapon. Hiding behind buildings + walls is the only real hiding you can do.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Araxiel on July 20, 2012, 12:27:33 pm
We can't know because he just sees them as if they are standing on the field thinking they are hiding. Trying to defend is laughable. Why don't we start using things that can remove tree bodys as well? Also remove wall parts so we can see whats behind.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: _Tak_ on July 20, 2012, 12:31:33 pm
Anyone with half a brain will remember this mod:

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,19225.msg273915.html#msg273915

Looks rather similar.

lol I guess I am not the only one who suffer from bad gaming performance, that looks pretty much the same, that one looks better, i guess i will be using that from now on  :mrgreen:

We can't know because he just sees them as if they are standing on the field thinking they are hiding. Trying to defend is laughable. Why don't we start using things that can remove tree bodys as well? Also remove wall parts so we can see whats behind.

When i set my game to the lowest, i still see hays and those big bushes.

I already explained this over a thousand times not going to explain it again
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Auphilia on July 20, 2012, 01:29:01 pm
I don't know how you boys in EU play, but in NA Stealth is a very feasible option. I can camouflage in bushes and tall grass, escape pursuing infantry in haystacks, snipe from behind the cover of leaves and branches, etc.

Not everyone plays the game on a horse with ranged weapons. Some of us have to find other means of cowardice, or as you might call it, tactics.  :wink:

As mentioned previously, removing bushes and haystacks does NOT increase performance by anything noticeable, as compared to the lowest graphics warband offers. Removing them is no more or less than giving yourself and advantage over other players.

Bushes = we can't see what is behind them.
Leaves/Branches = we can't see what is above us.
Haystacks = we can't see what is behind or in them.

Why should you be able to? They are obstacles in the game, for everyone to use or avoid, not to simply remove.
That is like removing rain and all of its affects on ranged and athletics just because rain makes you laggy. Well tough shit imo.

I don't think anyone cares whether or not you guys play with bad graphics, the concern is that you guys are REMOVING items that are in the game for everyone else. That isn't fair.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: BlueKnight on July 20, 2012, 01:56:22 pm
you guys are REMOVING items that are in the game for everyone else. That isn't fair.
Who is that "you guys"? As far as I know it's only Lungy who has shitty laptop. Using plural makes you sound like if you were teaching a group of naughty children that don't understand their fault.

Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on July 20, 2012, 01:58:59 pm
Who is that "you guys"? As far as I know it's only Lungy who has shitty laptop.

playing via a lawn mower doesn't give him rights to hack the graphics
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Overdriven on July 20, 2012, 02:01:26 pm
playing via a lawn mower doesn't give him rights to hack the graphics

People 'hack' the graphics to get better graphics. I seem to remember there are a number of mods used in conjunction with crpg. Heck those give me an unfair advantage because my game looks better and thus I am filled with the wonder of the beautiful landscape and play better.

Yup I deffo should be banned for that.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 20, 2012, 02:01:33 pm
I make all black items pink, and remove the models for all cavalry to make things interesting, as well as making Katanas neon yellow.

Also, flowers... Flowers everywhere.

Next step is replacing all DGS with lightsabers.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: RiPLeY_II on July 20, 2012, 02:02:27 pm
Now it comes to my mind when Counter-Strike source was released (long ago), in official tournaments, dx7 mode was banned, because it allowed you to have better visibility through fog effects, compared to dx8 and dx9 modes.

Latter on, i think Valve removed completely the option to run the game in dx7 mode (though i'm not sure about this last thing).

So it's more or less the same case, a performance-oriented setting was banned because of the unfair advantage it granted.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Overdriven on July 20, 2012, 02:03:34 pm
Now it comes to my mind when Counter-Strike source was released (long ago), in official tournaments, dx7 mode was banned, because it allowed you to have better visibility through fog effects, compared to dx8 and dx9 modes.

Latter on, i think Valve removed completely the option to run the game in dx7 mode (though i'm not sure about this last thing).

So it's more or less the same case, a performance-oriented setting was banned because of the unfair advantage it granted.

'In official tournaments'. As far as I'm aware we play for leisure.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: RiPLeY_II on July 20, 2012, 02:07:06 pm
'In official tournaments'. As far as I'm aware we play for leisure.

As i said, latter on, valve got onto the thing and changed it so you couldn't gain that advantage in public servers.

It doesn't matter if it's official or not, some players unfair thinking doesn't have to ruin everyone else's possibilities and fun.

Trying to justify what's clearly an unfair advantage has a name, EXPLOITING, and as far as I know, exploiting is prohibited in this mod by the rules. Also doesn't talk anything good about you ...
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on July 20, 2012, 02:08:18 pm
People 'hack' the graphics to get better graphics. I seem to remember there are a number of mods used in conjunction with crpg. Heck those give me an unfair advantage because my game looks better and thus I am filled with the wonder of the beautiful landscape and play better.

Yup I deffo should be banned for that.

you should be glove slapped for being full retard

sad to see that some people still ignore the cheat even though the cheater's himself confessed what he has done.

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on July 20, 2012, 02:09:00 pm
I'm not going to argue about it anymore.

People 'hack' the graphics to get better graphics. I seem to remember there are a number of mods used in conjunction with crpg. Heck those give me an unfair advantage because my game looks better and thus I am filled with the wonder of the beautiful landscape and play better.

Yup I deffo should be banned for that.

'In official tournaments'. As far as I'm aware we play for leisure.

So when ya gonna stop arguing and let this rest  :lol:
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Auphilia on July 20, 2012, 02:09:56 pm
Who is that "you guys"? As far as I know it's only Lungy who has shitty laptop. Using plural makes you sound like if you were teaching a group of naughty children that don't understand their fault.

I wasn't aware that Lungy was the only person taking advantage of the removal of certain texture files. I will now address all my statements and concerns specifically towards Lungy, as this topic is solely about him and no one else.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 20, 2012, 02:12:00 pm
In all honesty, there is absolutely no way that cRPG can enforce this given the current resources available, so arguing about it is largely pointless. Yes, it is bad sportsmanship, but no I do not think that this questionable act is punishable given how difficult it would be to enforce such a thing.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Overdriven on July 20, 2012, 02:12:49 pm
So when ya gonna stop arguing and let this rest  :lol:
ín the other thread ;)
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on July 20, 2012, 02:13:32 pm
So how you going to enforce this as you can't tell what graphics people are playing on especially if they are 'lower than warband capabilities'?

In all honesty, there is absolutely no way that cRPG can enforce this given the current resources available, so arguing about it is largely pointless.

That was page 1 ToD, 10 pages later, and they are still arguing, theres no getting it into people who are adamant with banning someone for having shit PC specs

ín the other thread ;)

The arguement spans two damn threads, stop arguing ffs and let the forums recover from a load of BS
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: sF_Guardian on July 20, 2012, 02:14:20 pm
I wasn't aware that Lungy was the only person taking advantage of the removal of certain texture files. I will now address all my statements and concerns specifically towards Lungy, as this topic is solely about him and no one else.  :rolleyes:

Again its not taking advantage, its getting the game working. This fuckin witchhunt is just a personal crusade from Tavuk_Bey
and now all the players go with the wave...
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Trikipum on July 20, 2012, 02:15:55 pm
I believe that losing his eyesight when 40 will be punishement enough for this guy...
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: _Tak_ on July 20, 2012, 02:17:41 pm
you should be glove slapped for being full retard

sad to see that some people still ignore the cheat even though the cheater's himself confessed what he has done.

(click to show/hide)

Fuck you, you are a mother fucking asshole who is just an attention whore, changing the game's graphics is by no mean cheating, I think it's pretty damn pointless to talk to you anymore, I said that it is because I wanted to show people of my skills, but I have never yet trie to remove the bushes, I tried it and it work, but the consequences is that I will ride into invisible stones, trees and objects to rear my horse, which later I turn the settings back to my normal version to make all the bushes back. Not going to reply to you anymore you sick fuck, nice revenge you got here, you were also a leecher long ago on my ban request against you, leecher

I wasn't aware that Lungy was the only person taking advantage of the removal of certain texture files. I will now address all my statements and concerns specifically towards Lungy, as this topic is solely about him and no one else.  :rolleyes:

I realize that long ago and it is mainly about me yes, because he hate me thats why
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on July 20, 2012, 02:20:46 pm
I said that it is because I wanted to show people of my skills

skills on cheating? or the gaming skills you gain via cheating? either way you are an epic fail
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: sF_Guardian on July 20, 2012, 02:21:14 pm
Fuck you, you are a mother fucking asshole who is just an attention whore, changing the game's graphics is by no mean cheating, I think it's pretty damn pointless to talk to you anymore, I said that it is because I wanted to show people of my skills, but I have never yet trie to remove the bushes, I tried it and it work, but the consequences is that I will ride into invisible stones, trees and objects to rear my horse, which later I turn the settings back to my normal version to make all the bushes back. Not going to reply to you anymore you sick fuck, nice revenge you got here, you were also a leecher long ago on my ban request against you, leecher

I realize that long ago and it is mainly about me yes, because he hate me thats why

Just enjoy the game Lungy and dont listen to these guys.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Trikipum on July 20, 2012, 02:21:23 pm
Oh man.Actually, this game is fucking great in the optimization part (not warband with bots). Find another engine that can stand 140 players with this "smoothness". Anyway, the game was designed with 64 players in mind. Saying that, this game engine does an amazing work. Probably can stand so many ppl coz animations are really simple, and those would be a great resource hog if they were detailed and nice ones. Many times im just amazed how my pc can run the game at 90 fps most of times.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Korgoth on July 20, 2012, 02:21:42 pm
I said that it is because I wanted to show people of my skills....

We all bow before your mighty skills Lungy.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on July 20, 2012, 02:22:08 pm
Just enjoy the game Lungy and dont listen to these guys.

nobody will enjoy the game as long as assholes like him keeps cheating around
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: _Tak_ on July 20, 2012, 02:23:36 pm
nobody will enjoy the game as long as assholes like you keeps trolling around
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: sF_Guardian on July 20, 2012, 02:23:59 pm
nobody will enjoy the game as long as assholes like him keeps cheating around

Alot of people are enjoyin it, gtfo if you don`t.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Overdriven on July 20, 2012, 02:24:35 pm
nobody will enjoy the game as long as assholes like him keeps cheating around

Pretty sure its just you that can't.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on July 20, 2012, 02:26:16 pm
Pretty sure its just you that can't.

i suspect you are one of those assholes who hack as well.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Auphilia on July 20, 2012, 02:26:24 pm
Okay,  :lol: let me start over.

First of all, excuse me if I have appeared hostile, I take back anything that came off offensively, and I apologize for failure to communicate in a more appropriate manner.

With that said, let's just consider three things:

1. Is it possible to cheat by modifying texture or other files?
2. Is it likely that any players do this, regardless of how many?
3. Should they be punished?

If you can answer no to any of those questions, please explain why as plain and simply as you can. Otherwise we should consider punishment for those who would abuse this game via cheating.

Not that popular vote matters in a community like this, but you may also want to consider the poll results. It appears that most of the debaters are pro-modifying files for advantages, yet the poll shows the majority is anti-modifying files for advantages.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Overdriven on July 20, 2012, 02:28:01 pm
i suspect you are one of those assholes who hack as well.

Someone seems a little paranoid. No need to accuse everyone who disagrees with you!
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on July 20, 2012, 02:30:48 pm
Okay,  :lol: let me start over.

First of all, excuse me if I have appeared hostile, I take back anything that came off offensively, and I apologize for failure to communicate in a more appropriate manner.

With that said, let's just consider three things:

1. Is it possible to cheat by modifying texture or other files?
2. Is it likely that any players do this, regardless of how many?
3. Should they be punished?

If you can answer no to any of those questions, please explain why as plain and simply as you can. Otherwise we should consider punishment for those who would abuse this game via cheating.

Not that popular vote matters in a community like this, but you may also want to consider the poll results. It appears that most of the debaters are pro-modifying files for advantages, yet the poll shows the majority is anti-modifying files for advantages.

1. yes, one guy already confessed he had done it
2. i guess any loser with enough modding knowledge can do it
3. yes, but only god knows how it's possible to track these guys
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: sF_Guardian on July 20, 2012, 02:31:53 pm
Okay,  :lol: let me start over.

First of all, excuse me if I have appeared hostile, I take back anything that came off offensively, and I apologize for failure to communicate in a more appropriate manner.

With that said, let's just consider three things:

1. Is it possible to cheat by modifying texture or other files?
2. Is it likely that any players do this, regardless of how many?
3. Should they be punished?

If you can answer no to any of those questions, please explain why as plain and simply as you can. Otherwise we should consider punishment for those who would abuse this game via cheating.

Not that popular vote matters in a community like this, but you may also want to consider the poll results. It appears that most of the debaters are pro-modifying files for advantages, yet the poll shows the majority is anti-modifying files for advantages.

Well, first of all, this topic is just a personal crusade from Tavuk_Bey, he`s a well known troll and shitposter so dont care about his posts to much.

2nd: I want the guys to be punished who do this for gaining an advantage but not the ones who just try to get the game working.

2rd. Its not possible to control it in this game so it cant be punished and so this topic is senseless hate.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: karasu on July 20, 2012, 02:34:34 pm
Now I know who stole my IBM back in 1989. Bastard!  :|
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on July 20, 2012, 02:34:58 pm
Well, first of all, this topic is just a personal crusade from Tavuk_Bey, he`s a well known troll and shitposter so dont care about his posts to much.

well, why do you still lurk itt then? yes, it's my personal crusade against graphic hackers and anyone who thinks it's unfair is welcome to join. gtfo if you are not going to contribute
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: sF_Guardian on July 20, 2012, 02:37:37 pm
well, why do you still lurk itt then? yes, it's my personal crusade against graphic hackers and anyone who thinks it's unfair is welcome to join. gtfo if you are not going to contribute

Well, its your personal crusage against Lungy, nothing more...

Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: [ptx] on July 20, 2012, 02:39:50 pm
You know what gives an advantage? Hiding in said bush/haystack/whatever with a crossbow,seeing above/through it (either due to 3rd person camera or because of how haystacks work(you can see through them , if your camera is inside)), whilst not being visible to others. Tell me, Tavuk_Bey, are you a crossbowman? Do you, by any chance, do this?

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Leshma on July 20, 2012, 02:40:40 pm
nvm
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: LordBerenger on July 20, 2012, 02:41:00 pm
You know what gives an advantage? Hiding in said bush/haystack/whatever with a crossbow,seeing above/through it (either due to 3rd person camera or because of how haystacks work(you can see through them , if your camera is inside)), whilst not being visible to others. Tell me, Tavuk_Bey, are you a crossbowman? Do you, by any chance, do this?

He got MW Arbalest and MW Steel Bolts and humps trees. Go figure. But who cares. It's Jihad! Everything's allowed.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: [ptx] on July 20, 2012, 02:41:34 pm
By 3rd person i meant hiding in thick bushes, whilst seeing above them.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Korgoth on July 20, 2012, 02:41:39 pm
Well, its your personal crusage against Lungy, nothing more...

Hey don't forget me. This has been my crusade against Lungy too!
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Leshma on July 20, 2012, 02:42:14 pm
By 3rd person i meant hiding in thick bushes, whilst seeing above them.

Yeah, I understood what you were saying second time I've read your post.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Auphilia on July 20, 2012, 02:43:45 pm
You know what gives an advantage? Hiding in said bush/haystack/whatever with a crossbow,seeing above/through it (either due to 3rd person camera or because of how haystacks work(you can see through them , if your camera is inside)), whilst not being visible to others. Tell me, Tavuk_Bey, are you a crossbowman? Do you, by any chance, do this?

I am a xbowman, I do this. Great advantage for a stealth sniper. Oh and the best part is anyone can do it and use them as an advantage without modifying their god damn game files.

Anything else lolz?  :rolleyes:

[edit]: Oh and I would love to have a forced 1st-Person server, if this is a realism argument. I could also argue that those who wear helmets should have their vision impaired in the same manner, thought not as extremely, as someone in a haystack or thick bush.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: sF_Guardian on July 20, 2012, 02:44:28 pm
Hey don't forget me. This has been my crusade against Lungy too!

Ure in.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: [ptx] on July 20, 2012, 02:44:53 pm
I am a xbowman, I do this. Great advantage for a stealth sniper. Oh and the best part is anyone can do it and use them as an advantage without modifying their god damn game files.

Anything else lolz?  :rolleyes:
Great, so you got no right to complain about anything.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on July 20, 2012, 02:45:58 pm
Well, its your personal crusage against Lungy, nothing more...

not only lungy but also people like lungy who hack the game graphics. anyone who has unfair advantages like x-ray via hacking must be burned in hell  8-)

You know what gives an advantage? Hiding in said bush/haystack/whatever with a crossbow,seeing above/through it (either due to 3rd person camera or because of how haystacks work(you can see through them , if your camera is inside)), whilst not being visible to others. Tell me, Tavuk_Bey, are you a crossbowman? Do you, by any chance, do this?

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people can do whatever they want as long as it's an in-game feature. 3rd person and tilde keys are included. you don't have to hack graphics to use these features and everyone is able to access them. copy now?
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on July 20, 2012, 02:46:16 pm
wtf another witchhunt thread. whats wrong with you, guys?
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: sF_Guardian on July 20, 2012, 02:46:20 pm
Btw Berenger, this Avatar is even worse than the previous ones... :(
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Korgoth on July 20, 2012, 02:47:05 pm
This thread is getting old now. I'm tired of insulting Lungy.

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Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on July 20, 2012, 02:47:55 pm
wtf another witchhunt thread. whats wrong with you, guys?

call it medieval roleplaying
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Grumbs on July 20, 2012, 02:47:58 pm
You know what gives an advantage? Hiding in said bush/haystack/whatever with a crossbow,seeing above/through it (either due to 3rd person camera or because of how haystacks work(you can see through them , if your camera is inside)), whilst not being visible to others. Tell me, Tavuk_Bey, are you a crossbowman? Do you, by any chance, do this?

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Hiding in haystack is not against the rules (unless you are delaying at the end of the round). Its not relevant if you think its "fair" or not, if you think not then try to get the rules changed. Removing haystacks/bushes/rocks/walls etc is most likely against an unwritten rule but it should be more clear. Otherwise we might as well all remove those parts of the game. I would, I believe in people playing on an even playing field even if that means we strip down the game to a "normal" game setting that includes no hay,bushes etc

When it comes to punishment, I really don't see how you can tell who cheats without treating them like you do wallhackers in other games. You have to demo/fraps them for hours to be completely sure they cheat, and even then there may be some doubt if the player isn't completely full retard about hiding his hacks. You will also get players that are good at hiding their ability to see players, and will be more subtle about it and hard to catch.

When you do catch them though after all that effort it should be a real perma ban. If people know you have to go to that trouble to get someone banned then people will do it until they get their first warning
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Auphilia on July 20, 2012, 02:51:13 pm
I think cmp mentioned something about if files are modified they won't be able to connect to the server.

Others argued in defense of the legit modifications that do not give players unfair advantages, and people have suggested that the devs let the launcher allow specific "compatible mods" while blocking anything else.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: [ptx] on July 20, 2012, 02:54:49 pm
not only lungy but also people like lungy who hack the game graphics. anyone who has unfair advantages like x-ray via hacking must be burned in hell  8-)

people can do whatever they want as long as it's an in-game feature. 3rd person and tilde keys are included. you don't have to hack graphics to use these features and everyone is able to access them. copy now?
I will also go ahead and make a guess that you disable fog and such things, as it's an ingame feature. The hypocrisy is strong with this witchhunt :O

Protip: This ain't CS or CoD or some such game. Lungy already said that attempting to disable bushes and whatever results in invisible stones and other obstacles (which is a massive disadvantage to any cav, or well, anyone).
IMO, abusing the fuck out of haystacks and bushes, disabling fog and other such quirks in the game is what should be bannable, not trying to actually play the game on a crappy system.

@Grumbs, currently there is no rule against that either, so it is the same thing. This thread is trying to get the rules changed, if you haven't noticed.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: LordBerenger on July 20, 2012, 02:56:09 pm
Btw Berenger, this Avatar is even worse than the previous ones... :(

This 1? WHY!? U INTO MEN!?
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Korgoth on July 20, 2012, 02:58:02 pm
This 1? WHY!? U INTO MEN!?

You do realise your avatar is a cartoon? If you're into that stuff you are either Japanese or weird.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: sF_Guardian on July 20, 2012, 02:58:26 pm
This 1? WHY!? U INTO MEN!?

Comic fuck...
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on July 20, 2012, 03:03:48 pm
I think cmp mentioned something about if files are modified they won't be able to connect to the server.

Others argued in defense of the legit modifications that do not give players unfair advantages, and people have suggested that the devs let the launcher allow specific "compatible mods" while blocking anything else.

there are people who replace textures of existing items to try out new items. for example, some of my clanmates replaced the existing mameluke armors etc with all these new bashibazouk armours' textures to see how they look in-game before they were added officially. they were able to connect servers and test the new-looking existing armors. i guess this can be done in same way for replacing rock & bush & cart & etc with smaller or flatter or even transparent textures in same way to gain advantage. and i guess that's how hackers are able to access the servers.

I will also go ahead and make a guess that you disable fog and such things, as it's an ingame feature. The hypocrisy is strong with this witchhunt :O

cmon, i don't disable anything except the shadows. i enjoy the challange caused by environment and weather effects. however, everyone can adjust the settings from options menu, this has nothing to do with cheating. idk why you call it hypocricy, but you need a glove slap as well to prevent you going full retard
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Lactating Vegetables on July 20, 2012, 03:06:22 pm
tbh, i am not a coder, nor a modder, however i do know that with some basic photoshop skills, if i really wanted (not saying that i would) i could modify the game textures with transparancy, so that they are still visable however i could see through them. Its not really the hardest of things to do, but i know its doable as i had to for some of my college work on 3d models like windows etc.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: LordBerenger on July 20, 2012, 03:07:59 pm
You do realise your avatar is a cartoon? If you're into that stuff you are either Japanese or weird.

Comic fuck...

ORE WA HENTAIIII!
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: [ptx] on July 20, 2012, 03:10:21 pm
Disabling fog, that gives you a clear advantage over players that play by the spirit of fairness is not cheating? Abusing a (unintended) "feature" of the game, by hiding in haystacks/bushes with a ranged weapon, whilst having full visibility of everything around you is not cheating? I am also pretty sure i remember you playing on that siege map with the port area, reloading below the wooden dock, then glitching through it to fire at defenders through the gate. Aw, man, you really ought to not argue about these things. Like, really, close this retarded topic.
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Grumbs on July 20, 2012, 03:11:09 pm
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,2606.0.html

There is a rule about hiding in haystack, its allowed and even mentioned specifically in the rules. Removing haystacks, bushes ,rocks, walls etc probably comes under the common sense rule mentioned at the start which covers stuff that people shouldn't really be doing. But it wouldn't hurt for the rules to be a bit more explicit about stuff like this. If you use shadow settings you can apparently get around the bumping into invisible rocks/walls issue and I wouldn't doubt people finding a way to remove certain parts of the maps or replacing them with low poly versions that make it easier to see players. The rules should be a bit more clear to avoid people feeling they can do this stuff and still be legit
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on July 20, 2012, 03:19:49 pm
Disabling fog, that gives you a clear advantage over players that play by the spirit of fairness is not cheating? Abusing a (unintended) "feature" of the game, by hiding in haystacks/bushes with a ranged weapon, whilst having full visibility of everything around you is not cheating? I am also pretty sure i remember you playing on that siege map with the port area, reloading below the wooden dock, then glitching through it to fire at defenders through the gate. Aw, man, you really ought to not argue about these things. Like, really, close this retarded topic.

well, everyone can use haystacks and bushes as cover as part of the gameplay tactics. never heard about something irl, "fucking in bushes/haystacks"? we are allowed to hide inside those objects as long as we don't delay the round, so your argument is invalid. also, i never disable the fucking fog, to be honest, i don't know how to disable it and if i knew it i wouldn't do it. as i said before, i enjoy every fucking challange caused by environment and weather, however, your ignorant head does not want to understand it. and for the port case, i was totally visible and able to take damage while shooting.

please accuse me of being racist as well to complete your tour of retardness
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: [ptx] on July 20, 2012, 03:25:10 pm
I've never heard of drawing a bow/reloading a crossbow/throwing an axe, whilst being completely inside a haystack and remaining completely invisible to the outside world. We are allowed to do all that crap, yes. Likewise, we are allowed to change textures of the game to get a better performance.

Your thread is asking for a change of rules. My posts are pointing at the hypocrisy of this request. If the rules get changed, then also make it so that firing from inside haystacks and through visual barriers, as well as glitching through floors is bannable.

and for the port case, i was totally visible and able to take damage while shooting.

Hahahaha, yeah, right. Your head was visible for a split second, as you glitched through to fire. What a fucking paragon of justice.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Grumbs on July 20, 2012, 03:33:34 pm
It depends if its performance at the expense of allowing the player to see players who should be concealed. To me its a common sense issue. Change the game as much as you like for performance, but not to the point were you give yourself an advantage other players wouldn't have

This is why the rules need to be more explicit so people don't come up with excuses

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If your common sense is not working, here are some more specific guidelines. This is not an explicit list, common sense always overrides disputes. Do not come crying "it's not prohibited in the rules" if you invent a new creative way to be an idiot and get punished.

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Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on July 20, 2012, 03:34:56 pm
Likewise, we are allowed to change textures of the game to get a better performance.

cool, so you support that it's legal to replace environment textures to gain fucking advantages, like this gk did. cheating appreciated, nice

Hahahaha, yeah, right. Your head was visible for a split second, as you glitched through to fire. What a fucking paragon of justice.  :rolleyes:

i died twice by melee attacks and once by ranged attack there, as long as im visible and able to take damage, it is nothing wrong. no exploit has been done there.

Title: Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!
Post by: cmp on July 20, 2012, 03:36:11 pm
Pointless witch hunt.