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Title: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Slev23 on July 11, 2012, 08:24:21 pm
I've grown tired of the fact that in crpg if you aren't one of the pros, you'll never improve because they just slaughter you instantly every round. So, I'm just playing this as a poor man's economy simulator. Wearing minimalist gear, lazily protecting myself from pros I know will kill me, I watch my gold increase. All I care for now is to make in game money, because the game play is only fun for pros.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Elindor on July 11, 2012, 08:26:04 pm
try going to duel or siege to get more practice in if you feel you aren't getting enough combat practice in battle due to the mode mechanics.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Blueberry Muffin on July 11, 2012, 08:26:15 pm
DOWN WITH CONFORMITY! DOWN WITH THE DEVS! DOWN WITH CRPG! THIS MAN IS DISGRUNTLED THAT HE HAS TO PRACTISE TO GET GOOD!!!

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!! RIOT EVERYONE! SOW ANARCHY!!!
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: TugBoat on July 11, 2012, 08:26:58 pm
I beat Saul Canner is a duel once today. Of course it was one out of about 10... but still. Just keep practicing you get better
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: wayyyyyne on July 11, 2012, 08:27:33 pm
You're the 99%
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Tzar on July 11, 2012, 08:28:40 pm
Go archer or lance cav an pwn people who spent 3543563465465 hours learning feinting chambering blocking an using good foodwork.

Problem solved now move along..


Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Herkkutatti666 on July 11, 2012, 08:31:09 pm
i have spent 4k hours and i am still noob, it's better to leave now when it's not late!!
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Miwiw on July 11, 2012, 08:36:08 pm
If you don't want to improve, you won't improve.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Blackzilla on July 11, 2012, 08:37:09 pm
I always duel players better than me, back when saul was in chaos, me and him went to duel and fought for over an hour, I think out our 100 duels, I killed him 5 times. I also duel mano on native, he would always kill me in the first 15 seconds, now I never beat him, but I was proud to last in a fight with him for like 2 minutes.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Lactose_the_intolerant on July 11, 2012, 08:43:32 pm
I'v spent loads of hours playing and dueling but never managed to stick out the mass or be listed in player names. But i get my fair part of kills and I'm happy with that.

You will always be better then someone else. try to find your class, it took me a good year but finally i settled with a 1h/ thrower hybrid.

and nothing is best then to hear chase go on ts ": Fuck you Lactose"
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on July 11, 2012, 08:44:26 pm
i have spent 4k hours and i am still noob, it's better to leave now when it's not late!!

(click to show/hide)

4k is fucked up man
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Aderyn on July 11, 2012, 08:44:38 pm
there's only one way to get better at this game.

Play more.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Blackzilla on July 11, 2012, 08:47:41 pm
Everyone has there good and bad days, some days I top scoreboards some days I just go 1:1, I will always be proud of myself going 24:3 on foot. Agi master race!
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: _GTX_ on July 11, 2012, 08:52:20 pm
Dueling is by far the best way to become better at this game. Dueling is an controlled server. Its not 1 big chaos like siege and battle. U can focus 100% on 1 guy.

That makes u able to notice blocking, footwork, feinting, kicking, holds, and so on. U can figure out how it works, why it works so well and how to counter it. The only thing u can't do in a duel server is training how to fight ganks.

So if u dont feel like u are improving, go to that server. Find a player, who is better than u, and duel him. Watch how he duels, and try to get something out of it. Try and see if u can counter him, do a few experiments.(Ofc dont go for a guy 10 times better than u. U will need some time to observe and try stuff out :P)

PS: This game is way more noob friendly than when i started. So be lucky u started playing this now ;).
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Radament on July 11, 2012, 09:04:14 pm
I've grown tired of the fact that in crpg if you aren't one of the pros, you'll never improve because they just slaughter you instantly every round. So, I'm just playing this as a poor man's economy simulator. Wearing minimalist gear, lazily protecting myself from pros I know will kill me, I watch my gold increase. All I care for now is to make in game money, because the game play is only fun for pros.

there's my clan member that's doing similar stuff like you : wearing shitty armor and weapon but with a different goal , have enough money at 31 to heirloom something cause now he keeps losing money.

a question : "why don't you want to improve yourself in crpg?"
another question : "do you enjoy native much than this only because people have more or less the same equip?"
last question : "do you consider crpg's gameplay not fun for the casual gamers?"
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: engurrand on July 11, 2012, 09:19:18 pm
I've grown tired of the fact that in crpg if you aren't one of the pros, you'll never improve because they just slaughter you instantly every round. So, I'm just playing this as a poor man's economy simulator. Wearing minimalist gear, lazily protecting myself from pros I know will kill me, I watch my gold increase. All I care for now is to make in game money, because the game play is only fun for pros.

you are the 99% a neo goy-jew hyrbid
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: EyeBeat on July 11, 2012, 09:53:39 pm
I've grown tired of the fact that in crpg if you aren't one of the pros, you'll never improve because they just slaughter you instantly every round. So, I'm just playing this as a poor man's economy simulator. Wearing minimalist gear, lazily protecting myself from pros I know will kill me, I watch my gold increase. All I care for now is to make in game money, because the game play is only fun for pros.

It kind of sucks because the whole idea behind this item breaking/repairing thing is to make it so people can't wear the best of the best all the time.

Unfortunately chadz did not think this through when he made it so you can sell your loom points on the market.  Now he is looking for more ways to make it so there is more gold sinks but it is too little and too late.

It royally screws over new players.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: betard_lulz on July 11, 2012, 09:56:15 pm
It kind of sucks because the whole idea behind this item breaking/repairing thing is to make it so people can't wear the best of the best all the time.

Unfortunately chadz did not think this through when he made it so you can sell your loom points on the market.  Now he is looking for more ways to make it so there is more gold sinks but it is too little and too late.

It royally screws over new players.
Moar goldsinks? lel, fuck that. Hurr imma spend even more gold wearing mediocre gear.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Miwiw on July 11, 2012, 09:59:14 pm
It royally screws over new players.

It only "screws" them over while they are in their first gen or while they do not have enough gold for medium gear and good weapons. Once that is over, they are able to sell the loompoint themself and ignore the upkeep as well.
After all, leveling up is not about skill but only about time currently.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: betard_lulz on July 11, 2012, 10:02:03 pm
Skill helps with the leveling up grind though X2 > X1
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Miwiw on July 11, 2012, 10:03:55 pm
Yes, it's not needed though. X1 makes you also finishing a gen, with double the time of course.

And if you're the only one in your team with skill, it neither helps. However the team itself often brings you up to x5 without any work or effort, therefore the time is more important than the skill.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Mlekce on July 11, 2012, 10:17:34 pm
I'v spent loads of hours playing and dueling but never managed to stick out the mass or be listed in player names. But i get my fair part of kills and I'm happy with that.

You will always be better then someone else. try to find your class, it took me a good year but finally i settled with a 1h/ thrower hybrid.

and nothing is best then to hear chase go on ts ": Fuck you Lactose"
i totaly get it man. I played for 7-8 moths trying classes,trying to be good  as 2h but it realy isn't for me.
Now i am 1h shielder and i am good with it. Sometimes i get to top of scoreboard,sometimes i get to bottom,or middle but nvm.
it realy depends how my team play (do they play every man for himself or tpgether),how familiar is map and how teamplay of enemy is.
I would advise to new guy to try some classes,and then decide what suits him best and then practice and play. Try rageball or siedge because you will respawn emidiatly after you die.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Miwiw on July 11, 2012, 10:20:51 pm
Regarding tryig classes one thing is very important:

Finnish at least 1 gen with each class. If you quit the class halfway the gen, it doesn't count, you have to play a lot with each to know if you like it or not. Also try different builds,
there is a difference between a 15/24 or 24/15 build.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Mlekce on July 11, 2012, 10:21:01 pm
It only "screws" them over while they are in their first gen or while they do not have enough gold for medium gear and good weapons. Once that is over, they are able to sell the loompoint themself and ignore the upkeep as well.
After all, leveling up is not about skill but only about time currently.
You dont need money to use gear up to 30k. You can go with 1k and get 50k in one generation.
Lvling is connected to how much you play daily. If you can play 6-7 hours a day you can get gen in one week.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Tagora on July 11, 2012, 10:28:55 pm
I'm the exact opposite, OP.  I only care about killing people and I give away my gold.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Muki on July 11, 2012, 10:29:06 pm
NA Drama :D
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Mlekce on July 11, 2012, 10:30:50 pm
What i learned from byzantium ppl it looks like not important but it realy matter. You need to know map well and know where to move,and where not to go if you don't want to get early raped.
It realy matter if you know where cav go,where archers camp,where inf moves,so you know where to go. You will live much longer, and kill more.
Also you need to know when to run,when to attack,and will ur teammates run or fight with enemy.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Teeth on July 11, 2012, 10:40:38 pm
What i learned from byzantium ppl it looks like not important but it realy matter. You need to know map well and know where to move,and where not to go if you don't want to get early raped.
It realy matter if you know where cav go,where archers camp,where inf moves,so you know where to go. You will live much longer, and kill more.
Also you need to know when to run,when to attack,and will ur teammates run or fight with enemy.
True, duelling only gets you halfway, the rest is experience with how battle works and developing awareness for where to go and when to go there.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Osiris on July 11, 2012, 10:42:54 pm
you think crpg learning and gold curve is harsh now? try playing back in the day when you were a peasent for days if not weeks :P not now when your lvl 20 in a few hours
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: betard_lulz on July 11, 2012, 10:43:45 pm
^BRING BACK LADDERS
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on July 11, 2012, 10:59:50 pm
and nothing is best then to hear chase go on ts ": Fuck you Lactose"...
...after you accidently TK'd him with the throwing lances you should be giving me!
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Yachdiel on July 11, 2012, 11:03:11 pm
Those "Pros" are nothing more than people with extremely loomed out gear and a mediocre amount of skill. Usually they use the best stuff there is with the best builds that give them the confidence to try all those fancy "pro" moves without fear of an unforgiving consequence. Pro players to me are people who try new shit and are good at it. If you see a dude in a cool gear combo that only looks good, with some ridiculous build with some random weapon whos wrecking people and topping the boards while still supporting his team, hes pro.

Froto_the_loc=Pro
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Auphilia on July 11, 2012, 11:03:34 pm
Lots of people commenting "play more" or "get better" and "l2block" type stuff.

Most of you commenting have like 3,000 hours into this game or more. Give the guy a break. This game isn't for the casual and you know it. It takes weeks/months to become "DECENT" and during the time you become decent, the experienced become even more so.

Too many players have mega looms and gold stacks that allow them to wear their heaviest gear all the time. This makes it extremely difficult for new players to get use to this game. The learning curve is very steep and frankly, the majority of this community is horrible. Of course our new players aren't going to be ecstatic the whole time they are learning to play.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Gricks on July 11, 2012, 11:21:32 pm
He brings up a good point if you read through the crap. This mod is terrible at attracting new players.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Mlekce on July 11, 2012, 11:21:46 pm
No m
Lots of people commenting "play more" or "get better" and "l2block" type stuff.

Most of you commenting have like 3,000 hours into this game or more. Give the guy a break. This game isn't for the casual and you know it. It takes weeks/months to become "DECENT" and during the time you become decent, the experienced become even more so.

Too many players have mega looms and gold stacks that allow them to wear their heaviest gear all the time. This makes it extremely difficult for new players to get use to this game. The learning curve is very steep and frankly, the majority of this community is horrible. Of course our new players aren't going to be ecstatic the whole time they are learning to play.
No man,we all started with 1milion gold and 10 mw items. We didn't get raped,bullied,killed buy other players and we never,ever needed to learn to block manualy.
I can play this game like for 10 years,and i will never be better then some ppl because i didn't born with reflexes,awareness and feeling for gamplay they have.
I know some ppl who are able to just try one game and after 1 hour they are better then some players who play that game for few weeks,or even moths. They have talent for that.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Slamz on July 11, 2012, 11:26:08 pm
I've grown tired of the fact that in crpg if you aren't one of the pros, you'll never improve because they just slaughter you instantly every round. So, I'm just playing this as a poor man's economy simulator. Wearing minimalist gear, lazily protecting myself from pros I know will kill me, I watch my gold increase. All I care for now is to make in game money, because the game play is only fun for pros.
Join a clan.

I mean a good clan that actually cares about playing the game and won't mind taking the time to show you the ropes.  There are a lot of things about this game that are hard to learn on your own, even if you spend time carefully watching other people play.  One hour on the duel server, in Teamspeak, with someone who knows what they're doing will teach you more about how to "go pro" than 2 months of playing by yourself ever will.

Plus I think it's more fun, for most people, to play in a clan so you aren't just ambling around by yourself all the time.  I played this game for maybe 2 months sometime, I dunno, over a year ago anyway, wasn't in a clan, didn't join the forums, didn't understand how some people were so good at parrying or why I was dying so much before I just quit.  When I tried it again, I knew some people in a clan, joined them, got some instruction and had a lot more fun.

I'm still, frankly, mediocre at the game (I can top the charts once in a great while, mostly when the old veterans are offline...) but it's good fun now and I'll probably keep my toe in it even after GW2 comes out.


If you insist on playing solo and not talking to anybody then you're going to have a long road ahead of you.

Join a clan.  If they suck, join a different one.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Teeth on July 11, 2012, 11:34:37 pm
One hour on the duel server, in Teamspeak, with someone who knows what they're doing will teach you more about how to "go pro" than 2 months of playing by yourself ever will.
QFT
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Player_01 on July 11, 2012, 11:50:24 pm
QFT
QQFT

As an entirely self-taught player, running around on the duel server with a game mechanics thread opened in another window isn't exactly what I'd call fun.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Grumbs on July 11, 2012, 11:53:35 pm
If you don't learn from your mistakes it will be frustrating I guess. Don't make excuses when you die. The other guy might be high level, he might have looms, he might be a "pro", but there should be beyond that an ultimate reason for your failure. If you keep trying to work that out then you will improve, if you dwell on excuses you will probably just keep repeating the same mistakes.

Use ` a lot..I mean half the time you should be looking while holding this. Look for cav, look for enemies, whatever. You might want to bind it to another key. I like to use my thumb since other than that its only used for jumping
Don't go and 1v1 if you don't feel confident you can take someone on 1v1.
Learn who certain players are from their armour or weapon type and know when you have 0 chance against them, even if you are 2v1 against him
Learn to defend yourself early on. Either manual blocking, dodging, whatever
Stay with your team at all times
Get a sense of how the battle is progressing. When to attack and when to defend. If you attack too early on and die you are now completely useless to your team. Just stay alive as long as you can while still keeping a sense of when you will be best off going and helping other players. Even if you are a distraction you might be able to get an enemy to show his back to a team mate.
Play very defensively, even when you think you have someone outnumbered. Players love to target switch to people they think are weak when you least expect it
Don't be afraid to block twice or more in a row. Sometimes you think you have an attack window but without timing people will attack again before yours will hit
Learn which attack to use at which time. Each attack direction has its own advantages/disadvantages
You could try to get your own support role in the team. this way you help your team, but you also have an outlet excuse for when you fail (you aren't there to 1v1 etc). Like anti cav polearm, long range polearm (stay back and try to hit enemies from beyond their range) or hoplite. Anti cav ranged (shoot horses all round). Thrower, crushthru str crutcher, whatever. If your build isn't designed necessarily for 1v1 then you might not feel so bad when you die
Learn some good builds and specialise with what you learn as a player, and what skills/stats you get for your character. If you always play 1 build type you can nail that area before moving on to other stuff. Try balanced builds before going too far str or agi imo

So much to learn in this game, but if you actually are learning as you play then you might enjoy it more. Half the fun for me is trying to get better, and you will if you keep practising.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: duurrr on July 12, 2012, 12:06:40 am
this thread is almost the same as some sc2 thread about the same subject
fact of the matter, you suck dick, get better and die trying or cry and deal with your awfulness/quit.

i will give you 2 tips, play on native duel server, melee is what you have to learn if you want to get better at this game

of you really dont want to try getting better, roll cav or archer

its kinda like macroing(melee) on sc2 is the best way to get better but some people just cheese(cav and range) their way to  some rank for whatever the fuck reason
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Frell on July 12, 2012, 12:08:18 am
We need a server for level 1-15 and then the rest of the servers to be 15+
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: mofugga on July 12, 2012, 12:18:36 am
He brings up a good point if you read through the crap. This mod is terrible at attracting new players.

Indeed it is. If this game was easy like all the other dumbed-down shit out there, it would probably have a ton of people playing. I play cRPG because it presents a real challenge. I'm not good at it, but I don't want to be given anything for free.

You can go play some tab-target piece of garbage with the rest of society if that's your thing.

Here you earn your keep.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Blackzilla on July 12, 2012, 12:25:42 am
I am probably an above avarage player who can hold his own against some big name players, I also don't know how str Players play and have fun, I can't stand heavy armor and any build with less than 6 ath. The heavy armor I wear is my helmet, the rest is medium armor.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Grumbs on July 12, 2012, 12:29:14 am
cRPG is the first game in years to hold my interest for this long, and its the skill curve and game mechanics that do that. I was in a real gaming slump before I took the plunge and decided to try to get into this. Dumbing it down skill wise isn't in anyones best interests imo even if it brings more people to the game.

However I wouldn't be opposed to putting new players on a more level playing field in terms of their character earlier on. If I thought there was a safe way to do it I would give them at least 1 free +3 item right off the bat (non-tradable?), and I wouldn't mind people leveling to 30 quicker either, but then 30-31 might need to be longer to compensate. Even if it just makes new players feel better about losing, that they can say its not their gear or level thats letting them down but their lack of experience, which is really the problem.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Banok on July 12, 2012, 12:40:01 am
if you want to just have fun and make money, stay on the peasant server!

its awesome, if I didn't have hierlooms its probably what i'd do. shame its only full during peak.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on July 12, 2012, 12:42:49 am
I've been there man. I remember saying to a kick arse Aus player "You suck the life and fun out of me because you kick my arse so hard". He still would but after enough duels I started to get him every thirdish fight so it evened out a bit.

It's just one of those games where some people do develop superior levels of skill and can dominate the crap out of you.

My advice is find an amusing build that is enjoyable and don't play to win.

15/18 thrower cav/1h used to be my laugh my arse off build. I used war darts, nothing quiet says "UP YOURS!" like riding head on at a lance cav and hitting him with a dart just as he goes to lance you.

Use a rouncey, and light armour.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Vibe on July 12, 2012, 08:23:59 am
get autoblock
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Gricks on July 12, 2012, 08:42:42 am
Indeed it is. If this game was easy like all the other dumbed-down shit out there, it would probably have a ton of people playing. I play cRPG because it presents a real challenge. I'm not good at it, but I don't want to be given anything for free.

You can go play some tab-target piece of garbage with the rest of society if that's your thing.

Here you earn your keep.

Calm your tits buddy. The mod is obviously amazing. And it isn't so much the skill involved as it is the character being useless for 20 levels.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Zerran on July 12, 2012, 08:54:10 am
One hour on the duel server, in Teamspeak, with someone who knows what they're doing will teach you more about how to "go pro" than 2 months of playing by yourself ever will.

So much this.

When I first started playing as a Pikeman I only had maybe 3-4 maps of experience playing against Xeen as reference. I remembered what kinds of tricks he used against me, but had absolutely no idea how to repeat them. I have no idea how many times I got slaughtered by a_bear_irl trying to learn how to helicopter stab, but it was certainly a humiliating experience.  :lol:

Join a clan, have them show you the ropes. It's much less frustrating than repeatedly suiciding trying to learn new tricks. And try out every class and every weapon. Yes, that's a lot of trying new things, but eventually you'll find something that really suits you. It took me something like 4-5 gens before I tried the Pike, but now I love it.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Slev23 on July 12, 2012, 10:42:51 am
To be honest, I've been trying to practice, and I'm probably doing better than average. But it's frustrating coming up against the same guy who you know will beat you, or watching the lancer cav go 25/2 every map and just couch you in the back within two minutes. Or just the unending knockdowns that cav do.

I'm currently using my light gear because I love how it looks; blue tourney helm, blue brigandine, and a heavy bastard sword.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Vibe on July 12, 2012, 10:51:14 am
To be honest, I've been trying to practice, and I'm probably doing better than average. But it's frustrating coming up against the same guy who you know will beat you, or watching the lancer cav go 25/2 every map and just couch you in the back within two minutes. Or just the unending knockdowns that cav do.

I'm currently using my light gear because I love how it looks; blue tourney helm, blue brigandine, and a heavy bastard sword.

If you're bad at blocking I suggest you start with singleplayer tutorial bots. If you have some knowledge in blocking, then go duel. It will improve your personal skills a lot more than battle.
Dueling guys much better than you might be frustrating, but you'll progress the most by dueling good players. If you just dueled bad players or players of the same skill your progress would be much slower. Ofcourse the time it takes to get good also depends on your gaming talent.

Anyway, work on personal skills first then go battle and train advanced battle-related skills. Battle is for training stuff like awareness, choosing your fights, moving around the field, fighting multiple opponents, ...
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Slev23 on July 12, 2012, 10:53:06 am
I"m a pretty good duelist, it's battle that I find frustrating, why would I want to play a mode where 80% of my deaths are backstabs from cav, headshots from archers, or pin cushioning from archers, crossbows, throwers.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Vibe on July 12, 2012, 10:55:56 am
I"m a pretty good duelist, it's battle that I find frustrating, why would I want to play a mode where 80% of my deaths are backstabs from cav, headshots from archers, or pin cushioning from archers, crossbows, throwers.

My advice: don't just hunt kills. Play battle to survive, not to kill. This way you'll learn all the stuff that is necessary to not get backstabbed by cav or shot down by ranged. Focus on avoiding stuff that kills you and then when you get a hang of it, join it with your dueling/killing skills.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Slev23 on July 12, 2012, 11:16:52 am
But that's not fun... I don't want to sit in a group of players and do nothing. I want to have fun, but of course you can't, because any fight will be ended by an arrow, bolt, throwing axe, or lance to the back.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Vibe on July 12, 2012, 11:26:06 am
But that's not fun... I don't want to sit in a group of players and do nothing. I want to have fun, but of course you can't, because any fight will be ended by an arrow, bolt, throwing axe, or lance to the back.

Who said do nothing? I just said try to survive and don't mindlessly kill hunt. Move away from fights that are dangerous. If your group is outnumbered, run away and seek other opportunities. Don't charge a bunch of ranged alone, use surprise attacks instead, play it safe. Don't go charging in open field if the enemy team has cav superiority.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Kafein on July 12, 2012, 11:31:04 am
Go archer or lance cav an pwn people who spent 3543563465465 hours learning feinting chambering blocking an using good foodwork.

Problem solved now move along..

Now try doing that in a duel  :D
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Slev23 on July 12, 2012, 11:37:20 am
I would spend all my time on duel if they let you earn better experience
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Rhaelys on July 12, 2012, 11:44:01 am
I would spend all my time on duel if they let you earn better experience

Duel servers used to give no gold/XP ticks, so be thankful you get free XP and free gold without paying upkeep.

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Shatter on July 12, 2012, 11:50:20 am
I"m a pretty good duelist, it's battle that I find frustrating, why would I want to play a mode where 80% of my deaths are backstabs from cav, headshots from archers, or pin cushioning from archers, crossbows, throwers.
Doing well in battle as a melee and doing well in duels are not really the same thing. In battle, knowing when to go in and being aware of your surroundings are more important than being able to successfully block every attack.

I've been playing this game since September/October of last year so I'm not one of the vets. I also remember just getting destroyed by a lot of people in melee. You just have to keep playing and you will gradually get better over time (I know a lot of people have said this but it is the truth). I remember joining CoN when I was gen 3 and I learned a lot by just watching Namo play when I was dead in observer mode. Being in a clan and watching good players when your dead and observing what they do will help you get better a little faster. Duel will also help you mechanically get better faster than battle but there are some things you can only learn in battle (watching out for horses, knowing where to be in a battle and when to attack/when to stay back).
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Kafein on July 12, 2012, 12:09:20 pm
Duel servers used to give no gold/XP ticks, so be thankful you get free XP and free gold without paying upkeep.

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I duelled all my way from 37 to 38 on my last gen before the upkeep patch. Sweet memories
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: MB passionately on July 12, 2012, 02:26:51 pm
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I've grown tired of the fact that in crpg if you aren't one of the pros, you'll never improve because they just slaughter you instantly every round. So, I'm just playing this as a poor man's economy simulator. Wearing minimalist gear, lazily protecting myself from pros I know will kill me, I watch my gold increase. All I care for now is to make in game money, because the game play is only fun for pros.

It´s not a game for casual gamers.
It´s not noob friendly as even in a 150 player server nobody will answer to noob questions.
It´s not possible to be a good manual blocker even in 1 year (assuming having a life).
It´s not easy to survive if you don´t know about the "hidden ways" where the good players move on the maps.
It´s absolutely not easy to survive in the beginning, the transformation of victim to predator needs a lot of passion and effort.
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etc
etc

All combined, these are the reasons why this is the hardest, but most rewarding mod in MB. If you wanna have easy kills, go to Napoleon Mod. If you dont want to invest time and lure for arcade gameplay, there are many "easier" games
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on July 12, 2012, 04:39:07 pm
But that's not fun... I don't want to sit in a group of players and do nothing. I want to have fun, but of course you can't, because any fight will be ended by an arrow, bolt, throwing axe, or lance to the back.
Learning to fight in battle is totally different than duel. Scan allways your surrounding and never fight one enemy too long without keeping track of where you are going or if there is cav or other enemies around. Try to get in some easy fights first like 3 to 1. There will be enough occasions to fight 1 vs. 1 if you survive the first minutes. If you get hit by an arrow or see more than 1 ranged in one spot, just back off except your whole team is approaching ofc, etc. Overall battle awareness is key, try to anticipate when to engage and when to retreat/flank/attack on other spot.

And if you don't want to "sit in a group" then make sure there is at least a small group near, so if u get attacked by a group of enemies you can get there fast.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on July 12, 2012, 04:56:38 pm
To be honest, I've been trying to practice, and I'm probably doing better than average. But it's frustrating coming up against the same guy who you know will beat you, or watching the lancer cav go 25/2 every map and just couch you in the back within two minutes. Or just the unending knockdowns that cav do.

I'm currently using my light gear because I love how it looks; blue tourney helm, blue brigandine, and a heavy bastard sword.

Sorry about that.  If it's any consolation, I'm a 10th generation player, I was able to heirloom an item every time I retired, but I'm down to 14,000 gold.  I need 2 million XP before I retire my last time and sell a loompoint for around 600k, then hopefully I won't have to worry about money again.  I die 100's of times every generation before I have the skills to ride my horse, and wield a weapon.  Even though I sometimes go 25-3, I don't think I've ever finished a gen higher than 2:1 K:D ratio.  And did I mention I'm poor as fuck?  I have to either take donations or run around on foot.  I don't mind going footman, but it fucks my strategus crafting up for champion coursers :(  poor me.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Blackzilla on July 12, 2012, 05:11:23 pm
But that's not fun... I don't want to sit in a group of players and do nothing. I want to have fun, but of course you can't, because any fight will be ended by an arrow, bolt, throwing axe, or lance to the back.

Bro learn how to rambo, run away from team, have awareness from cav and know how to fight cav, if once lancer sees you kill their buddy, they are most likely to leave you alone.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on July 12, 2012, 05:21:58 pm
So Slev23 wants to be rambo, but then complains when he's all by himself with a bastard sword and someone on a horse comes along?  Someone that moves at least twice as fast as him and with a weapon that's probably almost twice as long?

People's suggestions for fighting in a group with your team are valid.  That is where you will do the most damage to the enemy, and be able to still pull in the strengths from your teammates.  Ideally you'll have some shielders around to deter or take ranged ammo from hitting your teammates (or hitting as easily).  You'll have pikes and pokey spears to deter and stop horsemen (as well as poke infantry and make their life hell when they open up their body/release their block).  You will hopefully have your own ranged as well who can keep cavalry away, and put a hurt on the enemy.

This isn't counter-strike.  Think of it more like Team Fortress Classic, or Chess.  There are different classes, and they all have strengths and weaknesses.  The point is to exploit your enemies weaknesses, while minimizing your own.  Sometimes it takes a team or group to counter all the weaknesses when you encounter a group of enemies.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Blackzilla on July 12, 2012, 06:10:11 pm
So Slev23 wants to be rambo, but then complains when he's all by himself with a bastard sword and someone on a horse comes along?  Someone that moves at least twice as fast as him and with a weapon that's probably almost twice as long?

People's suggestions for fighting in a group with your team are valid.  That is where you will do the most damage to the enemy, and be able to still pull in the strengths from your teammates.  Ideally you'll have some shielders around to deter or take ranged ammo from hitting your teammates (or hitting as easily).  You'll have pikes and pokey spears to deter and stop horsemen (as well as poke infantry and make their life hell when they open up their body/release their block).  You will hopefully have your own ranged as well who can keep cavalry away, and put a hurt on the enemy.

This isn't counter-strike.  Think of it more like Team Fortress Classic, or Chess.  There are different classes, and they all have strengths and weaknesses.  The point is to exploit your enemies weaknesses, while minimizing your own.  Sometimes it takes a team or group to counter all the weaknesses when you encounter a group of enemies.

Maybe id he was agi like me, he'd be able to fight cav, I use a longsword and can take horses out, I normally dont kill the rider off the horse, but i kill the horse. If he has no buddies around, I kill the down rider, but if he has a lot of friendly cav by him, i turntail and run, I run because I know i am noit going to win that fight,i move on.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Tagora on July 12, 2012, 08:17:31 pm
Learn to die with honor. 
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Dalhi on July 12, 2012, 08:21:38 pm
Learn to die with honor.
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Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Macropus on July 12, 2012, 08:36:34 pm
I noticed that battle skills (like awarenes, map knowledge and so on) are even more important in battle than your personal fighting skills. Sometimes I get few kills just because of succesful raid if I have chosen the right way to go and managed to ambush some archers or whatever. Sorry for probably bad english, I mean, you can have lots of kills even with medium fighting skills and also can be very good duelist but doing bad in battle.
So to be good in battles you need to practise battles, nothing to add more.
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Bryggan on July 12, 2012, 10:13:34 pm
But that's not fun... I don't want to sit in a group of players and do nothing. I want to have fun, but of course you can't, because any fight will be ended by an arrow, bolt, throwing axe, or lance to the back.

I suggest you play single player.  In that you can totally dominate without any worries.  If you put damage down to a quarter and buy some plate, you can pretty much walk into any situation and destroy everyone.

Or else play cRPG for the fun of playing.  I am the most useless dueler out there, but I take that into account and still have a lot of fun.  I'm a 1 hander/thrower so I go for opportunistic kills when I can, or try help my teammates kill.  When people are dueling I'll dance around with a jarid pointed at the enemy, which really throws their melee skills off, or I'll be the bait for when people are hidden behind walls for ambush, or just try draw guys out so archers or cav can finish them for me.

In fact, you're probably dying- "fight will be ended by an arrow, bolt, throwing axe, or lance to the back," because you're falling for all the tricks team players use to kill the foolhardy.  So yeah, my advice is play single player.

PS. When cav kills me I feel nothing but shame :oops:
Title: Re: Anti-Gaming
Post by: Micah on July 13, 2012, 09:50:53 pm
i think im better in battle than in duel =X actually i cant duel for very long time with out getting annoyed and bored .. in battle however i get some nice adrenaline kicks and i cant stop laughting about many things that happen xD .. ofc i also my bad times when i start raging and blaming my team to be silly and such  :evil:
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