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Re: Anti-Gaming
« Reply #30 on: July 11, 2012, 10:59:50 pm »
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and nothing is best then to hear chase go on ts ": Fuck you Lactose"...
...after you accidently TK'd him with the throwing lances you should be giving me!
1H stab is the fastest, strongest and longest 1H animation. There's no reason NOT to use it in all instances. I don't know if it's OP, but it's boring. 1H used to be fun because you had a fast (left), long (right) and the most devastating attack (stab) and had to choose the best attack for each occasion.

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Re: Anti-Gaming
« Reply #31 on: July 11, 2012, 11:03:11 pm »
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Those "Pros" are nothing more than people with extremely loomed out gear and a mediocre amount of skill. Usually they use the best stuff there is with the best builds that give them the confidence to try all those fancy "pro" moves without fear of an unforgiving consequence. Pro players to me are people who try new shit and are good at it. If you see a dude in a cool gear combo that only looks good, with some ridiculous build with some random weapon whos wrecking people and topping the boards while still supporting his team, hes pro.

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Re: Anti-Gaming
« Reply #32 on: July 11, 2012, 11:03:34 pm »
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Lots of people commenting "play more" or "get better" and "l2block" type stuff.

Most of you commenting have like 3,000 hours into this game or more. Give the guy a break. This game isn't for the casual and you know it. It takes weeks/months to become "DECENT" and during the time you become decent, the experienced become even more so.

Too many players have mega looms and gold stacks that allow them to wear their heaviest gear all the time. This makes it extremely difficult for new players to get use to this game. The learning curve is very steep and frankly, the majority of this community is horrible. Of course our new players aren't going to be ecstatic the whole time they are learning to play.

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Re: Anti-Gaming
« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2012, 11:21:32 pm »
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He brings up a good point if you read through the crap. This mod is terrible at attracting new players.

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Re: Anti-Gaming
« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2012, 11:21:46 pm »
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No m
Lots of people commenting "play more" or "get better" and "l2block" type stuff.

Most of you commenting have like 3,000 hours into this game or more. Give the guy a break. This game isn't for the casual and you know it. It takes weeks/months to become "DECENT" and during the time you become decent, the experienced become even more so.

Too many players have mega looms and gold stacks that allow them to wear their heaviest gear all the time. This makes it extremely difficult for new players to get use to this game. The learning curve is very steep and frankly, the majority of this community is horrible. Of course our new players aren't going to be ecstatic the whole time they are learning to play.
No man,we all started with 1milion gold and 10 mw items. We didn't get raped,bullied,killed buy other players and we never,ever needed to learn to block manualy.
I can play this game like for 10 years,and i will never be better then some ppl because i didn't born with reflexes,awareness and feeling for gamplay they have.
I know some ppl who are able to just try one game and after 1 hour they are better then some players who play that game for few weeks,or even moths. They have talent for that.

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Re: Anti-Gaming
« Reply #35 on: July 11, 2012, 11:26:08 pm »
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I've grown tired of the fact that in crpg if you aren't one of the pros, you'll never improve because they just slaughter you instantly every round. So, I'm just playing this as a poor man's economy simulator. Wearing minimalist gear, lazily protecting myself from pros I know will kill me, I watch my gold increase. All I care for now is to make in game money, because the game play is only fun for pros.
Join a clan.

I mean a good clan that actually cares about playing the game and won't mind taking the time to show you the ropes.  There are a lot of things about this game that are hard to learn on your own, even if you spend time carefully watching other people play.  One hour on the duel server, in Teamspeak, with someone who knows what they're doing will teach you more about how to "go pro" than 2 months of playing by yourself ever will.

Plus I think it's more fun, for most people, to play in a clan so you aren't just ambling around by yourself all the time.  I played this game for maybe 2 months sometime, I dunno, over a year ago anyway, wasn't in a clan, didn't join the forums, didn't understand how some people were so good at parrying or why I was dying so much before I just quit.  When I tried it again, I knew some people in a clan, joined them, got some instruction and had a lot more fun.

I'm still, frankly, mediocre at the game (I can top the charts once in a great while, mostly when the old veterans are offline...) but it's good fun now and I'll probably keep my toe in it even after GW2 comes out.


If you insist on playing solo and not talking to anybody then you're going to have a long road ahead of you.

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Re: Anti-Gaming
« Reply #36 on: July 11, 2012, 11:34:37 pm »
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One hour on the duel server, in Teamspeak, with someone who knows what they're doing will teach you more about how to "go pro" than 2 months of playing by yourself ever will.
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Re: Anti-Gaming
« Reply #37 on: July 11, 2012, 11:50:24 pm »
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QFT
QQFT

As an entirely self-taught player, running around on the duel server with a game mechanics thread opened in another window isn't exactly what I'd call fun.
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Re: Anti-Gaming
« Reply #38 on: July 11, 2012, 11:53:35 pm »
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If you don't learn from your mistakes it will be frustrating I guess. Don't make excuses when you die. The other guy might be high level, he might have looms, he might be a "pro", but there should be beyond that an ultimate reason for your failure. If you keep trying to work that out then you will improve, if you dwell on excuses you will probably just keep repeating the same mistakes.

Use ` a lot..I mean half the time you should be looking while holding this. Look for cav, look for enemies, whatever. You might want to bind it to another key. I like to use my thumb since other than that its only used for jumping
Don't go and 1v1 if you don't feel confident you can take someone on 1v1.
Learn who certain players are from their armour or weapon type and know when you have 0 chance against them, even if you are 2v1 against him
Learn to defend yourself early on. Either manual blocking, dodging, whatever
Stay with your team at all times
Get a sense of how the battle is progressing. When to attack and when to defend. If you attack too early on and die you are now completely useless to your team. Just stay alive as long as you can while still keeping a sense of when you will be best off going and helping other players. Even if you are a distraction you might be able to get an enemy to show his back to a team mate.
Play very defensively, even when you think you have someone outnumbered. Players love to target switch to people they think are weak when you least expect it
Don't be afraid to block twice or more in a row. Sometimes you think you have an attack window but without timing people will attack again before yours will hit
Learn which attack to use at which time. Each attack direction has its own advantages/disadvantages
You could try to get your own support role in the team. this way you help your team, but you also have an outlet excuse for when you fail (you aren't there to 1v1 etc). Like anti cav polearm, long range polearm (stay back and try to hit enemies from beyond their range) or hoplite. Anti cav ranged (shoot horses all round). Thrower, crushthru str crutcher, whatever. If your build isn't designed necessarily for 1v1 then you might not feel so bad when you die
Learn some good builds and specialise with what you learn as a player, and what skills/stats you get for your character. If you always play 1 build type you can nail that area before moving on to other stuff. Try balanced builds before going too far str or agi imo

So much to learn in this game, but if you actually are learning as you play then you might enjoy it more. Half the fun for me is trying to get better, and you will if you keep practising.
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Re: Anti-Gaming
« Reply #39 on: July 12, 2012, 12:06:40 am »
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this thread is almost the same as some sc2 thread about the same subject
fact of the matter, you suck dick, get better and die trying or cry and deal with your awfulness/quit.

i will give you 2 tips, play on native duel server, melee is what you have to learn if you want to get better at this game

of you really dont want to try getting better, roll cav or archer

its kinda like macroing(melee) on sc2 is the best way to get better but some people just cheese(cav and range) their way to  some rank for whatever the fuck reason

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Re: Anti-Gaming
« Reply #40 on: July 12, 2012, 12:08:18 am »
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We need a server for level 1-15 and then the rest of the servers to be 15+

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Re: Anti-Gaming
« Reply #41 on: July 12, 2012, 12:18:36 am »
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He brings up a good point if you read through the crap. This mod is terrible at attracting new players.

Indeed it is. If this game was easy like all the other dumbed-down shit out there, it would probably have a ton of people playing. I play cRPG because it presents a real challenge. I'm not good at it, but I don't want to be given anything for free.

You can go play some tab-target piece of garbage with the rest of society if that's your thing.

Here you earn your keep.

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Re: Anti-Gaming
« Reply #42 on: July 12, 2012, 12:25:42 am »
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I am probably an above avarage player who can hold his own against some big name players, I also don't know how str Players play and have fun, I can't stand heavy armor and any build with less than 6 ath. The heavy armor I wear is my helmet, the rest is medium armor.
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Re: Anti-Gaming
« Reply #43 on: July 12, 2012, 12:29:14 am »
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cRPG is the first game in years to hold my interest for this long, and its the skill curve and game mechanics that do that. I was in a real gaming slump before I took the plunge and decided to try to get into this. Dumbing it down skill wise isn't in anyones best interests imo even if it brings more people to the game.

However I wouldn't be opposed to putting new players on a more level playing field in terms of their character earlier on. If I thought there was a safe way to do it I would give them at least 1 free +3 item right off the bat (non-tradable?), and I wouldn't mind people leveling to 30 quicker either, but then 30-31 might need to be longer to compensate. Even if it just makes new players feel better about losing, that they can say its not their gear or level thats letting them down but their lack of experience, which is really the problem.
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Re: Anti-Gaming
« Reply #44 on: July 12, 2012, 12:40:01 am »
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if you want to just have fun and make money, stay on the peasant server!

its awesome, if I didn't have hierlooms its probably what i'd do. shame its only full during peak.