There are 147 new banner slots which are only available through the website for clans. Because there is only a limited amount available the right to use them is sold through auctions (new auctions are currently added at a faster rate than normally). To keep your right to use an exclusive banner you need to win such an auction every 30 days.
Once you own an exclusive banner the clan leader (anyone with rank 10) can upload the banner image on the website. They are automatically updated by the launcher. All clan members are balanced using this exclusive banner no one else is able to use.
09:09 <Vibe> chadz, what's the cost of renewal
09:09 <Vibe> for banner slot
09:09 <chadz> you have to bid again
09:10 <chadz> although it doesn't really matter if you get the same or another banner
We might establish some rules about.. aesthetics
What's definately a no go is porn, racism, crap like that.
(*edit*disclaimer: i don't think porn is crap, but there are several laws in place that can get us in trouble if we don't forbid it)
If you upload a banner like that you will probably get banned for a long, long time.
it's not really intended to be a money sink. There are 147 additional banners available, so they are limited. The fairest way to decide who is by using the auction system. If everything works, one new banner auction pops up per hour until all are filled.
We might establish some rules about.. aesthetics
What's definately a no go is porn, racism, crap like that.
(*edit*disclaimer: i don't think porn is crap, but there are several laws in place that can get us in trouble if we don't forbid it)
If you upload a banner like that you will probably get banned for a long, long time.
It's what I dislike about this. I would prefer just having the banner packs. That way I get to opt out of the shitty banners.
I'm just disappointed that I can no longer play with my RL friends if the balance is done according to the auctioned ones.
Why did they even change the system?
It was perfect as it was before.
Dont see any point in this expect of their gold sink.
Just bringing lots of problems and rage... -.-
Why did they even change the system?
Dig
Tbh banner crutching/leeching was fucking rampant in the last month(s), everyone on Byzantium banner. This change was much needed.
A semi important question:
For the old banner system, the background color mattered as far as aesthetics went as far as I know. Is that true for this banner system?
Why did they even change the system?
It was perfect as it was before.
Tbh banner crutching/leeching was fucking rampant in the last month(s), everyone on Byzantium banner. This change was much needed.
I hope there is a restriction for new clans/oneman factions so they don't get a banner slot automaticly.
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I'm not sure I understand. Or I'm not sure you understand.Thanks for the clarification, I was afraid ppl just would steal the places from the big clans.
This system is simply on top. It can't be in any way be worse because nothing is changed.
You can still select whatever banner you please. You can still try and distribute banner packs if you want. Nothing of that changed.
The only thing that changed is that people on top have an additional way of buying a special banner. This special banner can be customized by the clan in terms of image and background color. This also means no one will be able to pick your banner to float with you on the autobalance wave.
If you don't like the system, simply ignore it. Nothing will change for you, except you see other people with new banners.
If you got the gold, you can buy all 147 banners as an individual and store them for all I care. The market will solve that problem. If a single person values a banner higher than 30 guys combined, the single person gets it.
I'm not sure I understand. Or I'm not sure you understand.
This system is simply on top. It can't be in any way be worse because nothing is changed.
You can still select whatever banner you please. You can still try and distribute banner packs if you want. Nothing of that changed.
The only thing that changed is that people on top have an additional way of buying a special banner. This special banner can be customized by the clan in terms of image and background color. This also means no one will be able to pick your banner to float with you on the autobalance wave.
If you don't like the system, simply ignore it. Nothing will change for you, except you see other people with new banners.
If you got the gold, you can buy all 147 banners as an individual and store them for all I care. The market will solve that problem. If a single person values a banner higher than 30 guys combined, the single person gets it.
...so anyone who isnt in f.e. my clan can buy the slot currently occupied with our banner and change it to sth else and can do that if he has the gold for several slots by that then denying those clans there "traditional" slot?
If you got the gold, you can buy all 147 banners as an individual and store them for all I care. The market will solve that problem. If a single person values a banner higher than 30 guys combined, the single person gets it.
Maybe those 147 slots are reserved/protected now with the new system so you can't change them the way you used to do?
Only thing that I'm worried about this is ugly unfitting banners flooding into my game. I sincerely hope there will be moderation, preferably strict, when it comes to auctionable banners. Big no to letters, 3d graphics or over saturated colors in banners.Agree.
You can still select whatever banner you please. You can still try and distribute banner packs if you want. Nothing of that changed.
The only thing that changed is that people on top have an additional way of buying a special banner. This special banner can be customized by the clan in terms of image and background color. This also means no one will be able to pick your banner to float with you on the autobalance wave.
If you don't like the system, simply ignore it. Nothing will change for you, except you see other people with new banners.
Devs have changed something. std_banners_g now no longer works. However, std_banners_f now does, which it never did before. Means I've got to move the g banners to f. Any particular reason for this :P
f and g should be switched (reason: f comes before g :D).
Both should work, though.
Thanks for clearing that up... so I can still use my Wolper banner from alternate pack, ignoring what all the others use. Until now I understood it the way that the new auctioned banners replace the existing slots which would have been sad.
Only thing that I'm worried about this is ugly unfitting banners flooding into my game. I sincerely hope there will be moderation, preferably strict, when it comes to auctionable banners. Big no to letters, 3d graphics or over saturated colors in banners.
Yeah I've long supported this idea (its been brought up many times over the past year) partly because people often switched to GK banner.
Nothing will change for you, except you see other people with new banners.
Yah, and this is exactly what i don't like about it. There is a reason i don't use any bannerpacks right now; i feel they are very ugly... custom banners often use bright, unnatural colors.
I like the original banners.
I fear that we'll soon have all sorts of gaudy pink, purple, neon green or neon orange banners and such... that i won't be able to disable.
With the old banner packs, at least you had the option of not using them.
I'm not sure I understand. Or I'm not sure you understand.
This system is simply on top. It can't be in any way be worse because nothing is changed.
You can still select whatever banner you please. You can still try and distribute banner packs if you want. Nothing of that changed.
The only thing that changed is that people on top have an additional way of buying a special banner. This special banner can be customized by the clan in terms of image and background color. This also means no one will be able to pick your banner to float with you on the autobalance wave.
If you don't like the system, simply ignore it. Nothing will change for you, except you see other people with new banners.
Cav is currently overpowered
I think you'd still be able to balance most of the banners together with that algorithm, but I'm tired of teams being stacked in public servers. I say this as someone who routinely enjoys having the most people on with our banner in the NA1 public battle server. It seems like Hospitallers always have the most people on, and we're always getting x5's. I'd rather have even teams (and still play with our faction members, but only if the teams are balanced first).
Another possible solution to banner issue is to associate banners with Strategus, so that banners are available only if you have certain castle or fief under your control. That way clans would be forced to play Strategus and unsuccessful clans wouldn't exist in cRPG multiplayer.
lol'dHe is propably 1H shielder :wink:
So after a month DRZ and Greys are the only ones having banners? Nice idea :mrgreen:
He is propably 1H shielder :wink:
banner slot for 150k - great...
I think you should have went the other way with the banner balance. The problem shouldn't have been seen from a faction/clan perspective, but from the one man pubber's perspective. Factions were already rolling servers with banners, now only the actual members will be rolling the server, making it even more unbalanced. It actually balanced teams out some when you get some random noobs who throw on the faction banner to counter the "pro's" in the faction.
I think you should keep your new "pay for banner slot" idea, however I think you should totally change the way balance in public servers works. You should try to keep people balanced by banner (when possible), however you should balance by class/equipment selected, skills, and either something like current K:D ratio, win:loss ratio, or overall k:d ratio (or even better, damage dealt:damage received ratio either short term or long term).
I think you'd still be able to balance most of the banners together with that algorithm, but I'm tired of teams being stacked in public servers. I say this as someone who routinely enjoys having the most people on with our banner in the NA1 public battle server. It seems like Hospitallers always have the most people on, and we're always getting x5's. I'd rather have even teams (and still play with our faction members, but only if the teams are balanced first).
Do heraldic backgrounds change in game with each new banner that is updated?
[08:48] <@cmp> if you won the auction you can change the color on the website.
[08:48] <Canary> the backside color?
[08:48] <Canary> of heraldic armor?
[08:49] <@cmp> yes
So, anyone got a suggestion on a banner making tutorial? Also, can you upload a new banner after you buy the slot? I'm guessing you can change it as much as you want for your 30 day ownership of it, but wanted to make sure.
If your eyes cannot bear the strain of watching TEXT on a banner (the horror!) then you can just edit your own files anyway.
Can you? When the game loads these banner textures onto the tabards it looks for a specifically named file in a specific location. After the patch the launcher now updates these banners by automatically installing up to date versions of this banner texture file in your game files. So it would not be possible to change the banners as you see fit, if you did your changes would just be replaced with the official banner textures whenever you launched the game. You could not use the launcher, but eh need updates.
tl;dr but here's my opinion:Holy shit, I agree with Dezilagel... *kills myself in embarrassment and disgrace.*
1. This is fucking awesome, thanks for adding it.
2. If a server gets rolled by a clan then either accept that you're outmatched and leave the server or whatever like a little bitch or MAN UP and beat the crap out of that clan by yourself. YOU make your team, your team doesn't make you.
3. To any and all LARP/realism/milism turds crying about the custom banners: Just go fuck yourself and allow people to have some fun with their creativity. It also helps easing up on the seriousness which plagues this game. (from my part too sometimes I admit) If your eyes cannot bear the strain of watching TEXT on a banner (the horror!) then you can just edit your own files anyway.
tl;dr but here's my opinion:
1. This is fucking awesome, thanks for adding it.
2. If a server gets rolled by a clan then either accept that you're outmatched and leave the server or whatever like a little bitch or MAN UP and beat the crap out of that clan by yourself. YOU make your team, your team doesn't make you.
3. To any and all LARP/realism/milism turds crying about the custom banners: Just go fuck yourself and allow people to have some fun with their creativity. It also helps easing up on the seriousness which plagues this game. (from my part too sometimes I admit) If your eyes cannot bear the strain of watching TEXT on a banner (the horror!) then you can just edit your own files anyway.
I agree with part 2 in principle but then again, take eu2 this afternoon, where 16/29 of the players on one team were the greyzhinas, it got a bit stupid, only way to get a multi 95% of time is to get lucky and land on their teamCrob clan players aren't automaticly better than unclanned players, when Byz rapes a server it isn't 'cuss they get superpowers from being in a clan, it's 'cuss they simply are better players.
Crob clan players aren't automaticly better than unclanned players, when Byz rapes a server it isn't 'cuss they get superpowers from being in a clan, it's 'cuss they simply are better players.
Auctioning for banner is one of the stupidest things they could have done. Why should we pay for banners? That makes no sense what so ever. I can honestly not think of a logical reason to do it. Its a waste of money for even one auction (and even if you can get one with limited slots), but you have to renew it as well? What is that shit? All this is going to do is cause massive banner stacking even more than before and more complaints from clans not having their banners up (including mine :evil:). Needs to be an immediate change to the old system to just simply add a banner if requested and approved I say, simple as that.
Auctioning for banner is one of the stupidest things they could have done. Why should we pay for banners? That makes no sense what so ever. I can honestly not think of a logical reason to do it. Its a waste of money for even one auction (and even if you can get one with limited slots), but you have to renew it as well? What is that shit? All this is going to do is cause massive banner stacking even more than before and more complaints from clans not having their banners up (including mine :evil:). Needs to be an immediate change to the old system to just simply add a banner if requested and approved I say, simple as that.
The problem is that when people could switch to the dominate teams banner, is that it helped even out the pub stomping. If only clan people can rock a certain banner, they will be even MORE dominant in public servers. So it makes the problem of pub stomping even worse than before...
Why was it wrong to switch to the dominant teams banner?
i never understood the whinning bout Bannerstacks
inlack of Teamplay is inlack of Teamplay.
and the buyabel banners r very good for crpg why Clans/Friends should be punished for using Teamplay???
but thats the major attitude in crpg...
whinning bout things r OP they cant deafet...
no wonder that Clans have easy game if they Opponents just cryin instead of thinking how they could win by therself :rolleyes:
I seriously hope that you do not handle money in a professional capacity...
Do have have a better idea to handle limited supply (149 banner slots) than bidding gold? Banner lottery? chadz manually picking clans he likes? lol
Its to prevent one man clans such as yours from having a banner. If your "clan" cant afford 100k every month then y our not a real clan and shouldnt have a banner. On top of this i still think they should make it so your have to have 8 main characters in a clan to buy a banner slot.
And all you guys complaing about losing to banner stacking, what are u mad about its the exact same way things were before. Its just now shitty players like you cannot banner stack on a good clan like Byz to get wins. Looks like you have to learn to play so that you can win games yourself, or get good and join a decent clan.
And dev why would you not use the crpg lancer to run the game? Doesn't make much sense it makes things easier.
Can non-leader buy banner?Yes, any clan member can bid on the banner (make sure you are bidding only on one banner, there is a bug currently that makes you clan unusable when you win two or more banner auctions).