Banner System

[Wraist]

A semi important question:

For the old banner system, the background color mattered as far as aesthetics went as far as I know. Is that true for this banner system?

[Overdriven]

Tbh banner crutching/leeching was fucking rampant in the last month(s), everyone on Byzantium banner. This change was much needed.

Yeah I've long supported this idea (its been brought up many times over the past year) partly because people often switched to GK banner. This is more to collate all information about it as those quotes were spread out everywhere and also to just ask questions.

A semi important question:

For the old banner system, the background color mattered as far as aesthetics went as far as I know. Is that true for this banner system?

Got that in the first post. Will highlight it as it is important.

[Tomas]

I'd like to see a fee for being in a clan (10 gold per tick) and then the 147 biggest clans get a banner slot automatically. 

Notes on determining clan size to prevent abuse
- A char must have been used in the last month to count towards their clan's size
- people with multiple chars in the same clan should only count once to their clan's size but all their chars should pay the fee.

This way any clan with a significant number of active people will automatically get a banner slot

[Christo]

Why did they even change the system?
It was perfect as it was before.

It wasn't.

[Leshma]

Tbh banner crutching/leeching was fucking rampant in the last month(s), everyone on Byzantium banner. This change was much needed.

Yes it was. This comes from a someone who leeched on their banner quite a lot.

However I expected change in different direction. Like removing banner balance and thus forcing Byzantium and other strong clans to concentrate on Strategus, instead of owning poor souls on pub servers.

This change will bring a lot more leeching when Byzantium is on or people simly avoiding EU1 and playing on smaller servers.

[chadz]

I'm not sure I understand. Or I'm not sure you understand.

This system is simply on top. It can't be in any way be worse because nothing is changed.

You can still select whatever banner you please. You can still try and distribute banner packs if you want. Nothing of that changed.

The only thing that changed is that people on top have an additional way of buying a special banner. This special banner can be customized by the clan in terms of image and background color. This also means no one will be able to pick your banner to float with you on the autobalance wave.

If you don't like the system, simply ignore it. Nothing will change for you, except you see other people with new banners.

I hope there is a restriction for new clans/oneman factions so they don't get a banner slot automaticly.

If you got the gold, you can buy all 147 banners as an individual and store them for all I care. The market will solve that problem. If a single person values a banner higher than 30 guys combined, the single person gets it.

[Overdriven]

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I'm not sure I understand. Or I'm not sure you understand.

This system is simply on top. It can't be in any way be worse because nothing is changed.

You can still select whatever banner you please. You can still try and distribute banner packs if you want. Nothing of that changed.

The only thing that changed is that people on top have an additional way of buying a special banner. This special banner can be customized by the clan in terms of image and background color. This also means no one will be able to pick your banner to float with you on the autobalance wave.

If you don't like the system, simply ignore it. Nothing will change for you, except you see other people with new banners.

If you got the gold, you can buy all 147 banners as an individual and store them for all I care. The market will solve that problem. If a single person values a banner higher than 30 guys combined, the single person gets it.

Hmmm

[Boerenlater]

I'm not sure I understand. Or I'm not sure you understand.

This system is simply on top. It can't be in any way be worse because nothing is changed.

You can still select whatever banner you please. You can still try and distribute banner packs if you want. Nothing of that changed.

The only thing that changed is that people on top have an additional way of buying a special banner. This special banner can be customized by the clan in terms of image and background color. This also means no one will be able to pick your banner to float with you on the autobalance wave.

If you don't like the system, simply ignore it. Nothing will change for you, except you see other people with new banners.

If you got the gold, you can buy all 147 banners as an individual and store them for all I care. The market will solve that problem. If a single person values a banner higher than 30 guys combined, the single person gets it.

Thanks for the clarification, I was afraid ppl just would steal the places from the big clans.

[Overdriven]

I'm not sure I understand. Or I'm not sure you understand.

This system is simply on top. It can't be in any way be worse because nothing is changed.

You can still select whatever banner you please. You can still try and distribute banner packs if you want. Nothing of that changed.

The only thing that changed is that people on top have an additional way of buying a special banner. This special banner can be customized by the clan in terms of image and background color. This also means no one will be able to pick your banner to float with you on the autobalance wave.

If you don't like the system, simply ignore it. Nothing will change for you, except you see other people with new banners.

If you got the gold, you can buy all 147 banners as an individual and store them for all I care. The market will solve that problem. If a single person values a banner higher than 30 guys combined, the single person gets it.

Well it's clear something has changed as using the banner pack doesn't change the banners in game. I guess the files have now changed. Will check it out.

Edit:
Or maybe it does. Something weird happened for a moment.

[Boerenlater]

Maybe those 147 slots are reserved/protected now with the new system so you can't change them the way you used to do?

[kinngrimm]

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If you got the gold, you can buy all 147 banners as an individual and store them for all I care. The market will solve that problem. If a single person values a banner higher than 30 guys combined, the single person gets it.

so anyone who isnt in f.e. my clan can buy the slot currently occupied with our banner and change it to sth else and can do that if he has the gold for several slots by that then denying those clans there "traditional" slot?

also why this sepperate system and not just using the strategus base? There people would have been already in the clans, with names, tags, colours and also ranks.

Do i get this correct, that this new system is mainly for crpg, to avoid banner leeching or are there other reasons too?

Will at any point this system be merged with the strategus clan system?

[Overdriven]

Maybe those 147 slots are reserved/protected now with the new system so you can't change them the way you used to do?

Something screwed up with the copying the first time so looks like it does replace them after all. Basic banners are the same files.

[Overdriven]

Ok so checked it all out and banner pack works fine.

Thanks for clearing that up chadz.

[Herkkutatti]

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[Largg]

Only thing that I'm worried about this is ugly unfitting banners flooding into my game. I sincerely hope there will be moderation, preferably strict, when it comes to auctionable banners. Big no to letters, 3d graphics or over saturated colors in banners.