Well i am a power archer with 7 power draw and it still takes me sometimes 5 shots to kill someone in anything from medium to heavy armour more than 5 when they are in heavy armour, i think there should be a buff on the damage done by archers. you cannot survive 5 arrows, its ridiculus (unless your borromir ofc).
Archers not only need a bit of a damage buff since it was changed to cut and not pierce but they need their WPF to go 20% further imo. Archers unless on a horse are pretty crappy these days.
Doesn't powerdraw also up their accuracy?
Does it really I remember when it reduced your accuracy? I know Power THROW gives accuracy but I also know we got 10 power draw builds from some of the ATS guys builds and they say they can't hit shit.
I honestly do not remember any accuracy change (maybe I was not paying close enough attention) when my PD increased, as I remember sinking my first point into PD, then after then going for my agil before increasing STR. So I pretty much had all of my agil first, and increasing PD from 1 to 10 only made a noticable difference in hitting power.Would be really nice if it wasn't changed that would mean I have the accurate formula for it but I doupt it. Yes, the old formula did get leaked and it did decrease your wpf with as your PD went up.
5 if?why bother if you don't have 8 or more imo? if I were you i'd just not have it an convert and pick up 1 point in something more useful.
Im also 7 Power Draw. And you know What Im happy with the Archery where its at. Now if we are getting into Buffing and Nerfing again. Lets NERF Throwing Shall We? The Throw speed is way off tell me ANYONE who can acctually throw faster then any Archer/Crossbower. There is Added power from a bow or crossbow compared to throwing andin this game the accuracy AND Speed for throwing is way OP'ed compared to Bows and crossbows. http://www.thebeckoning.com/medieval/crossbow/cross_l_v_c.html Check this site out for bows and crossbows. And the only thing I could think of for the fastest possible speed of throwing was MLB. Wich of course has nothing to do with Medieval times andin Baseball they are not getting ran after by a swordsman or cavalry. ANyways thats also just a hardball that is maybe a pound so think the rock when you think throwing. But when the throwers are throwing Lances and 5 Weight axes. and dont get me started on THrowing LANCES. they are ONLY 3 weight so explain to me why a Lance is lighter then an axe? Anyways Archery is Fine. Nerf Throwing. PERIOD :mrgreen:
for the MLB http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_average_pitching_speed_in_MLB
LIKE EVERYONE IS SAYING dont add damage ADD SPEED. :evil:
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Actually i got pretty many such as screenshots if you want to see them ;)
Also with throwing, pole, 1h, crossbow & cav builds. :)
Also i got killed first time on that map after 20 kills.
Actually i got pretty many such as screenshots if you want to see them ;)
Also with throwing, pole, 1h, crossbow & cav builds. :)
Also i got killed first time on that map after 20 kills.
Rule of thumb is too always buff things imo.. not too nerf them.
You failed after 20 kills :P(click to show/hide)
Rule of thumb is too always buff things imo.. not too nerf them. :P
Agreed.It's very unreal to survive to more than 5 arrows in your body :shock:
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Think i got 35/0 somewhere but cba to find it :P
Nerf is more effective than Buff!
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Think i got 35/0 somewhere but cba to find it :P
Nerf is more effective than Buff!
Tag-less mokk? Ginger? Tincan armor?
Tnx for posting something that happened half a year ago :lol:
This is where I disagree. Archers should be rewarded for shooting each other.
Yes they are very weak. I also have power draw 7 and it takes me 5 body shots to kill someone in medium armor. It is not worth it to go archer. That is why you see so many new throwers.
We never nerfed archery. We just buffed armour indirectly.
(btw some posts are really biased - 7PD and 5 shots to medium armor - pure lie and bs)
archer should be nothing more than support character bleh blah bleh bleh
Infantry and cavalry should be the support class. :twisted:
To sum up, either nerf throwing, or buff arrow speed.
I agree with the point that HA's have been nerfed more than anything else, i you want 5 HA, u can only use a Nomad bow, and it does litteraly no damage against even medium armour.Wrong, you are just not able to hit everyone with 100% accuracy. U have to choose Khergit Bow if you want more accuracy, and Strong Bow for damage, so, what's wrong with it? Tuonela, HA_Noctivagant etc are all doing just fine.
Being a HA is now a very expensive way not to get kills
You shouldn't be targetting heavily armored people anyway unless you're trying to help a teammate by stunning.
Archers are amazing for dealing with other archers, lightly armored crossbowmen, lightly armored throwers, andlightall cavalry. That's who you should be targetting, not burning your arrows on heavy armor (or shields).
I agree with the point that HA's have been nerfed more than anything else, i you want 5 HA, u can only use a Nomad bow, and it does litteraly no damage against even medium armour.
Being a HA is now a very expensive way not to get kills
Archery is fine as it is, there are plenty of foot archers that do very well, the top bows + decent power draw already do enough damage.
If you think it's hard as a Foot Archer you should try playing Horse Archer, it's weak as shit until you get to level 30 and even then you only have a strongbow with 5 PD, it takes me 3+ shots to kill most people from full health and I have to do that whilst riding on a horse.
Infact I'd go as far as to say 4 shots or more hits if they're wearing medium to heavy armour, plus as a foot archer you can also get Power Strike and some melee WPF if you want to. Foot Archer is powerful when in the hands of a skilled user, if you think it's weak, either your build or your skills need improving.
I like it as it is and any kind of buff to archer would destroy the 'balance' we have now, I say 'balance' because obviously it's not 100% balanced, but it feels pretty damn good right now and archery is definately something that doesn't need to be altered to improve that balance.
Lol no way, arrow speed is good, if I can hit moving targets whilst moving fast on my horse, sometimes at a considerable range, then I'm sure it's fine for any decent foot archers. Throwing and Archery shouldn't be labeled together just because they're both ranged, Throwing is its own thing and it will probably be toned down.
Your movement doesn't affect your arrow in flight at all. You can run around all you want once its on it's way it lands in the same spot.
I'm not even sure the movement during release has any effect apart from having worse accuracy.
But how he moves makes a difference, and that is simply random chance, as long as you can't predict that he will turn left as your arrow has travelled half the way. Or if he looks at you he can just wait until he sees the arrow and then dodge it matrix style. + When it hits it hardly deals any damage from long range. Having played both I'd say horse archer is easier than foot archer actually.