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Title: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: RandomDude on April 04, 2012, 12:51:40 am
Let me start with english.

Take the word "piss" for example.

We now have 4 meanings for the word "piss" and i'll put them in a sentence for you, with the meaning in brackets.

"Im really pissed (angry) that they take the piss (make fun of me) out of me while I'm pissed (drunk) trying to have a piss (wee) on the toilet."

I mean wtf?
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: B3RS3RK on April 04, 2012, 12:58:57 am
Butterfly means "SCHMETTERLING!!!!" in my language.Tell me that´s not fucked up.Especially if "Schmettern" means to dash something.

Oh well, just visit 9gag, it has plenty of those pictures with language comparison.And guess what, the weirdest ist mostly german.
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Miwiw on April 04, 2012, 01:03:21 am
Otto shows how funny it can be...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1IYi6bFyjw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7me-SelRQUE

Probably only funny if you understand German though. He just takes german words which sound similar to the English ones and in most cases it is funny. :)

I like the word "Schmetterling".

EDIT:

"Führerschein", yes, not a joke. It is german for driver license. I bet "Führer" is a well known word. The meaning is "führen", kinda "lead" your car, being able to drive.
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on April 04, 2012, 01:28:51 am
How you bend the word "store"(kauppa) in Finnish:
http://www.ling.helsinki.fi/~fkarlsso/genkau2.html

~2250 variations.

Can be done with any noun.
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Franke on April 04, 2012, 02:04:53 am
Another nice example which just came into my mind: The German word FLUGZEUG (Airplane) literally translated means "flight stuff"...

BtW

Quote from: Miwiw99 on April 04, 2012, 01:03:21 am
"Führerschein", yes, not a joke. It is german for driver license. I bet "Führer" is a well known word. The meaning is "führen", kinda "lead" your car, being able to drive.

I think there still exists that old-fashioned/bureaucratic expression "Fahrzeugführer" ("vehicle leader") for driver...
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Vibe on April 04, 2012, 08:21:41 am
We have Singular, Plural and another form for only 2 people, let's call it Doublar.
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on April 04, 2012, 08:43:19 am
Quote from: Vibe on April 04, 2012, 08:21:41 am
We have Singular, Plural and another form for only 2 people, let's call it Doublar.
your from ancient greek?
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Boerenlater on April 04, 2012, 01:40:12 pm
Quote from: ReBa1918 on April 04, 2012, 02:04:53 am
Another nice example which just came into my mind: The German word FLUGZEUG (Airplane) literally translated means "flight stuff"...

BtW

I think there still exists that old-fashioned/bureaucratic expression "Fahrzeugführer" ("vehicle leader") for driver...
Similair as the Dutch 'vliegtuig', literally flying device.
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Torben on April 04, 2012, 01:42:51 pm
Fuck those fucking fuckers.
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: RandomDude on April 04, 2012, 02:26:51 pm
Quote from: Torben on April 04, 2012, 01:42:51 pm
Fuck those fucking fuckers.

Hmm well.

Telling someone to "fuck off" doesnt really have a literal meaning as far as I can tell, it's just a way to insult somebody. Fuck can mean fornication as well as "Im fucked" meaning something like "I'm really tired" or "Im really screwed".
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Erasmas on April 04, 2012, 02:41:19 pm
I strongly encourage you to read that:

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Polish_language

"The Polish language is referred to as Polszczyzna (TPA/MPL: Pòlščŷz͆na; SPA/MPL: Polski; Cyrillic/MPL: Польски ) in Poland. It is the second most spoken Slavic language, just after Russian. Even if the language is only considered the third hardest in the world, (after Traditional Chinese and Hungarian), is the one most seriously fucked up. "

LOL :-)))))

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Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Herkkutatti on April 04, 2012, 02:42:04 pm
Quote from: Ninja_Khorin on April 04, 2012, 01:28:51 am
How you bend the word "store"(kauppa) in Finnish:
http://www.ling.helsinki.fi/~fkarlsso/genkau2.html

~2250 variations.

Can be done with any noun.
very fucked up.
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Zandieer on April 04, 2012, 03:08:30 pm
Quote from: Ninja_Khorin on April 04, 2012, 01:28:51 am
How you bend the word "store"(kauppa) in Finnish:
http://www.ling.helsinki.fi/~fkarlsso/genkau2.html

~2250 variations.

Can be done with any noun.
I don't think many languages can be as fucked as Finnish :|
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Torben on April 04, 2012, 03:09:16 pm
Quote from: RandomDude on April 04, 2012, 02:26:51 pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26UA578yQ5g
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: djavo on April 04, 2012, 03:17:54 pm
Love and drinking!
Volim piti!                                               
Voliš piti!                   
Voli piti!                     
Volimo piti!               
Volite piti!                   
Vole piti!                     
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: RandomDude on April 04, 2012, 03:19:20 pm
Quote from: Torben on April 04, 2012, 03:09:16 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26UA578yQ5g

Hahah yes ok. I concede that "fuck" is the most fucked word in the english language.
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Torben on April 04, 2012, 03:31:15 pm
Quote from: RandomDude on April 04, 2012, 03:19:20 pm
Hahah yes ok. I concede that "fuck" is the most fucked word in the english language.

now you got it :D
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: [ptx] on April 04, 2012, 03:35:59 pm
How is any of this an indication of a language being fucked up? In my mind, a fucked up language would be one polluted with words and stuff from other languages and other trash. Like latvian is :(
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Tigero on April 04, 2012, 05:09:51 pm
KOKKO KOKOA KOKO KOKKO! KOKO KOKKOKO? KOKO KOKKO!!! Tervetuloa to Finland perkele.
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: RandomDude on April 04, 2012, 05:37:01 pm
Quote from: [ptx] on April 04, 2012, 03:35:59 pm
How is any of this an indication of a language being fucked up? In my mind, a fucked up language would be one polluted with words and stuff from other languages and other trash. Like latvian is :(

Modern english is latin/saxon/norman-french mashed together I believe.

And if one word can mean so many different things, or multiple words that sound the same, but mean different things, that's a fucked up language imo.
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Materia on April 04, 2012, 05:38:58 pm
Quote from: [ptx] on April 04, 2012, 03:35:59 pm
How is any of this an indication of a language being fucked up? In my mind, a fucked up language would be one polluted with words and stuff from other languages and other trash. Like latvian is :(

More or less every language is trashed with foreigner crap. The worst thing is, when people start using foreigner words, instead of the native ones.

The east culture is spreading like plague. I think the foreign shop names, product names, companies etc. are bad too.
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on April 04, 2012, 06:10:16 pm
Quote from: Erasmas on April 04, 2012, 02:41:19 pm
I strongly encourage you to read that:

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Polish_language

"The Polish language is referred to as Polszczyzna (TPA/MPL: Pòlščŷz͆na; SPA/MPL: Polski; Cyrillic/MPL: Польски ) in Poland. It is the second most spoken Slavic language, just after Russian. Even if the language is only considered the third hardest in the world, (after Traditional Chinese and Hungarian), is the one most seriously fucked up. "

LOL :-)))))

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myzckvyzcyky the grey, god damn there are no vowels :D
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: xAKx on April 04, 2012, 06:55:01 pm
Quote from: Erasmas on April 04, 2012, 02:41:19 pm
I strongly encourage you to read that:

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Polish_language

"The Polish language is referred to as Polszczyzna (TPA/MPL: Pòlščŷz͆na; SPA/MPL: Polski; Cyrillic/MPL: Польски ) in Poland. It is the second most spoken Slavic language, just after Russian. Even if the language is only considered the third hardest in the world, (after Traditional Chinese and Hungarian), is the one most seriously fucked up. "

LOL :-)))))

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Lol read the national greetings XD
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Kalp on April 04, 2012, 07:15:33 pm
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Hm.....

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I think that I miss something in the school  :D
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Erasmas on April 04, 2012, 07:49:19 pm
"In addition to idiotic letters and hard phonology, Polish language has probably the hardest grammar of any known language. There are so many tenses, cases, aspects, forms, number classes, gender classes, moods and voices that you could go crazy just from knowing about their existence. In addition, there's a different conjugation of verbs for any tense, gender etc. With big probability, even 100% of Poles can use them, nearly none of them could actually say how many of them they have without thinking for a few minutes. To make matters worse, the Polish order of words is totally random."

The toughest thing we had to do in school, was to make the analysis of the sentence on the Polish language classes. The aim was to take every single word in a long sentence full of nouns, verbs, adjectives, definites, participles and all other shit and to describe what it is, like "a passive participle derived from noun, plural masculine form, past perfect tense". Horror.

And for English speaking guys, THIS is completely true, all forms are CORRECT and MEAN EXACTLY THE SAME:
 
"Polish is a rare example of the language that has totally random word order and this includes creating questions. Therefore you can write sentence Ala ma kota (Ala has a cat) in following ways:

Ala ma kota.
Ma Ala kota.
Ala kota ma.
Ma kota Ala.
Kota Ala ma.
Kota ma Ala


Now, how fucked up is that? :-) English is easy my friends :-)
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Kafein on April 04, 2012, 07:56:05 pm
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Number    Case's name in English...    ...and Polish    Questions in Polish    Questions in English
1    Nominative    Mianownik    kto?, co?    who?, what?
2    Genitive    Dopełniacz    kogo? czego?    whom?, what?
3    Dative    Celownik    komu? czemu?    whom?, what?, why?
4    Accusative    Biernik    kogo? co?    whom?, what?
5    Instrumental    Narzędnik    z kim? z czym?    with who?, with what?
6    Locative    Miejscownik    o kim? o czym?    about who?, about what?
7    Vocative    Wołacz    O!    Oh!
8    Extended vocative    Wołacz rozszerzony    o kurwa!    oh fuck!
9    Adolescentative    Młodzieżownik    tak, tak, tak!    yes, yes, yes!
10    Politicative    Politycznik    koalicja? z kim? po co?    coalition? with who? why?
11    Beforevotingative    Przedwybornik    komu? po co? co damy?    whom? for what? what are we going to give?
12    Aftervotingative    Powybornik    co ja, kurwa, zrobiłem?    for fuck's sake, what did I do?
13    Obaman vocative    Wołacz obamowski    yes, we can!    yes, we can!
14    Intimative    Intymnik    kto? z kim?    who? with who?
15    Material intimative    Intymnik materialny    kto? z kim? za ile?    who? with who? for how much?
16    Kidative    Dziecinnik    kto? z kim? ile ma?    who got? with who? how many?
17    Reasonative    Powodownik    dlaczego? dlaczego ja?    why?, why me?
18    Confusative    Dziwnik    o co chodzi?    what's going on?
19    Idiotative    Tępownik    Eeee.... oooo???    Ummmm... Uuuuh?
20    Hungoverative    Kacownik    gdzie jestem? kim jestem?    where am I?, who am I?
21    Vomitative    Wymiotnik    gdzie? po czym? po ilu?    where?, after what?, after how many?
22    Beatative    Przypierdolnik    komu? czym?    whom? using what?
23    Material beatative    Przypierdolnik materialny    komu? czym? za ile?    whom? using what? for how much?
24    Corruptative    Łapownik    kto? komu? ile?    who? whom? how much?
25    Thievative    Złodziejnik    kto? komu? co?    who? whom? what?
26    Shoutative    Krzyczalnik    kto? kogo? o co?    who? whom? for what?

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Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Kafein on April 04, 2012, 08:01:42 pm
Btw, when you say the word order is random, is it because you can write in any order and it will be correct, or because the rules for ordering are extremely obscure ?

I knew French is a difficult language, and I could have guessed about Hungarian and Traditional Chinese, but I had no idea about the Polsih language :D

Quote from: [ptx] on April 04, 2012, 03:35:59 pm
How is any of this an indication of a language being fucked up? In my mind, a fucked up language would be one polluted with words and stuff from other languages and other trash. Like latvian is :(

Huh ? Well if a language stays stagnant (which happens when you don't let it mix up), it is actually fucked up because it will die.
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Erasmas on April 04, 2012, 08:11:33 pm
Quote from: Kafein on April 04, 2012, 08:01:42 pm
Btw, when you say the word order is random, is it because you can write in any order and it will be correct, or because the rules for ordering are extremely obscure ?

You can write simple sentence in any order and it will be correct, and will keep the original sense :-) In theory the "most" proper order is "I am", but "Am I" means the same, it just suggest that you a proud of being :-)

"Ala ma kota (Ala has a cat) is a perfect example, if you say "Kota ma Ala" it still means "Ala has a cat" (stressing that the particular cat is owned by Ala), cause if you wanted to say that "Cat has Ala" you would need to use "Kot ma Alę" :-))))) And it you want to create a question, you just put a question mark at the end of the sentence: "Ala ma kota?" :-)

And Kafein, about the cases, we just use the first seven: Nominative, Genitive, Dative, Accusative, Instrumental, Locative and Vocative :-)

About German: I just love how the nouns can be produced by just glueing words together: "zweipedalenähmachine"
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: [ptx] on April 04, 2012, 08:17:54 pm
Quote from: Kafein on April 04, 2012, 08:01:42 pm
Huh ? Well if a language stays stagnant (which happens when you don't let it mix up), it is actually fucked up because it will die.
Wrong. Language being polluted by alien words and trash and language evolving with newly made words and stuff are two different things.
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Erasmas on April 04, 2012, 08:21:39 pm
Quote from: [ptx] on April 04, 2012, 08:17:54 pm
Wrong. Language being polluted by alien words and trash and language evolving with newly made words and stuff are two different things.

+1

How many languages uses word similar to "computer" to describe the computer? The pollution is to create new words like "kontroling" which, obviously, means "controlling" :-) Also, I do remember discussion in the '80 on what words should be used for things like "computer mouse", "interface", "monitor", "processor" .... just guess what is used today.

But sometimes it is really beautiful: everyone in Poland knows the word "wihajster" which is used for thing that you cant recall the name of: "You know, this wihajster to turn the lights on" And it comes directly form German "Wie heisst er" which means "How is it called?" :-)
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Kafein on April 04, 2012, 09:54:21 pm
Quote from: Erasmas on April 04, 2012, 08:11:33 pm
You can write simple sentence in any order and it will be correct, and will keep the original sense :-) In theory the "most" proper order is "I am", but "Am I" means the same, it just suggest that you a proud of being :-)

"Ala ma kota (Ala has a cat) is a perfect example, if you say "Kota ma Ala" it still means "Ala has a cat" (stressing that the particular cat is owned by Ala), cause if you wanted to say that "Cat has Ala" you would need to use "Kot ma Alę" :-))))) And it you want to create a question, you just put a question mark at the end of the sentence: "Ala ma kota?" :-)

And Kafein, about the cases, we just use the first seven: Nominative, Genitive, Dative, Accusative, Instrumental, Locative and Vocative :-)

About German: I just love how the nouns can be produced by just glueing words together: "zweipedalenähmachine"

Okay, so like in many languages, word order bears the intent of your phrase (with intonation I suppose), but in Polish the semantic meaning is completely separated ? From a learner point of view it means understanding is harder, but expressing is a lot easier too, wich is... nice, I usually find writing and speaking much harder than reading and listening in foreign languages.

Quote from: [ptx] on April 04, 2012, 08:17:54 pm
Wrong. Language being polluted by alien words and trash and language evolving with newly made words and stuff are two different things.

I wouldn't say that, but in the end it goes down to what is considered an "alien word". When a new thing needs a name, the people that invented it usually find one in their own language, and other languages quickly adopt the same word with minor variations on it for pronunciation. Words that are invented with no etimological basis sound totally stupid like... 95% of the time, especially when they refer to something that can already be named using a word derived from a foreign language. Those are actually the ones I would call alien words. Fabricated words are extremely easy to spot because they have no etimological roots, unlike most foreign words in their own base language.

That's also why I like languages where the existence or non-existence of a word is of little relevance to what you want to say, because the process of creating one is really simple, like Dutch and German. You want to say "a book about video games to read during the night" ? You'll be saying nightreadingvideogamebook and it will work.

Quote from: Erasmas on April 04, 2012, 08:21:39 pm
But sometimes it is really beautiful: everyone in Poland knows the word "wihajster" which is used for thing that you cant recall the name of: "You know, this wihajster to turn the lights on" And it comes directly form German "Wie heisst er" which means "How is it called?" :-)

 :mrgreen:
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: RandomDude on April 04, 2012, 10:56:24 pm
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And now I know where all the brain disease from the poles comes from :D
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on April 04, 2012, 11:38:35 pm
Quote from: Erasmas on April 04, 2012, 07:49:19 pm
"Polish is a rare example of the language that has totally random word order and this includes creating questions. Therefore you can write sentence Ala ma kota (Ala has a cat) in following ways:

Ala ma kota.
Ma Ala kota.
Ala kota ma.
Ma kota Ala.
Kota Ala ma.
Kota ma Ala
[/i]

Now, how fucked up is that? :-) English is easy my friends :-)

Same can be done in Finnish(Ala has a cat):

Alalla on kissa
On Alalla kissa
Kissa Alalla on
On kissa Alalla
Kissa on Alalla
Alalla kissa on

Some examples of how you can bend a word:
    istua "to sit down" (istun "I sit down")
    istahtaa "to sit down for a while"
    istahdan "I'll sit down for a while"
    istahtaisin "I would sit down for a while"
    istahtaisinko "should I sit down for a while?"
    istahtaisinkohan "I wonder if I should sit down for a while"

Can lead to some interesting forms that no one can be bothered to use because it hurts the brain like:
järjestelmällisentelentelemättömyydellänsäkään

No, I won't translate, because I can't be arsed to decode it.
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Franke on April 05, 2012, 12:38:37 am
This "wihajster"-thing really made me smile. Always surprising when you see parallels between languages that seem so different at the first glance.

About alien influences fucking up a language:
I think you have to differ between foreign words that describe "new" items for which simply no word had existed before ,like the example computer before. I really couldn't find a matching German word for it (closest would be Rechenmaschine - calculating machine), and foreign words that simply replace words from that language that existed before, just because it's "in" or more comfortable. The latter happens much too often imo...
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: djavo on April 05, 2012, 03:18:24 am
Well the question is do I have to finish my polish, or polish my finish?
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Kafein on April 05, 2012, 03:33:24 am
Quote from: djavo on April 05, 2012, 03:18:24 am
Well the question is do I have to finish my polish, or polish my finish?

Djavo you gotta stop trolling, that one was nearly what I would call a joke. A bad joke, but still, a joke.
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: [ptx] on April 05, 2012, 11:41:40 am
Quote from: Kafein on April 04, 2012, 09:54:21 pm
I wouldn't say that, but in the end it goes down to what is considered an "alien word". When a new thing needs a name, the people that invented it usually find one in their own language, and other languages quickly adopt the same word with minor variations on it for pronunciation. Words that are invented with no etimological basis sound totally stupid like... 95% of the time, especially when they refer to something that can already be named using a word derived from a foreign language. Those are actually the ones I would call alien words. Fabricated words are extremely easy to spot because they have no etimological roots, unlike most foreign words in their own base language.
Barbarism. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbarism_%28linguistics%29)
Newly created words for foreign things, at least in latvian, have etimological roots, at least most of them. For example, "spam mail" - a new word was created for this - "mēstule", a combination of "mēsls" (dung or shit) and "vēstule" (letter). Still, people use "spams", "spam meils", etc, which is as far from latvian as it gets. When you get someone using more than a couple of such words in a sentence, it is just fucking painful. Might as well be speaking english, rather than latvian. :/
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on April 05, 2012, 01:42:35 pm
Quote from: [ptx] on April 04, 2012, 08:17:54 pm
Wrong. Language being polluted by alien words and trash and language evolving with newly made words and stuff are two different things.
Wrong. Languages evolved since thousands of years by being polluted by alien words and trash.

I'm very often distracted and downright disgusted when I here some young men speaking german. Its an alien and ugly language for me, same with some regional dialects/grammatical characteristics. But its just plain wrong to think it is something new happening here and the language is getting worse or its the downfall of good language. Languages change, disappear and new evolve. This has been since the dawn of human speech and you can't and shouldn't do nothing against it, IMO.
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: [ptx] on April 05, 2012, 02:06:35 pm
Language being polluted by alien words and trash and language evolving with newly made words and stuff are two different things. - you didn't exactly disprove this part.

Quote from: The_Bloody_Nine on April 05, 2012, 01:42:35 pm
This has been since the dawn of human speech and you can't and shouldn't do nothing against it, IMO.
I disagree.
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: kinngrimm on April 05, 2012, 02:31:46 pm
Does it matter if there is a difference in the long run? 1000 years from now, people are used to things we aren't now.

From the perspective of humans spreading in waves over the continents, settling here and there and creating new waves from there till all land was occupied but not stopping the waves as humans didn't stop breeding, but then more and more social structures developed and city and afterwards nation states arrived on the maps drawing the limes(border) for those who aren't accepted from the outsite anymore to settle within, bringing us to a point tribes couldn't exist in their originated forms anymore as they weren't allowed to cross those borders and then we have wars rising over land and settling grounds again spreading humans of different "tribes" spreading language and knowledge and now we got the Internet ...

Point being, you couldn't stop a process which is so deeply in our nature. Young people do adept things for themselves older people wouldn't like  :rolleyes: so in the end it is the same old thing happening over and over again. Is it bad? I don't want to be the judge about that. In terms of evolution, on a biological or none biological level, it is still the same when you ask for reasons. Evolution doesn't have a reason for something, there is no good or evil mastermind, it is just happening(with certain implied rules we catagorized in the laws of physics).

Look up Biosemantics, arround 11 years ago i found that line of thought in reallife universities, but i was brought to it through sifi books of Isaac Assimovs "Foundation Triology"
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: RandomDude on April 05, 2012, 04:21:58 pm
This thread was for fun and you're derailing it into a boring piece of shit.

This is a place for people to give examples of a humourous side of their language and to maybe open other peoples eyes (myself included) into whaat other languages are like.

It doesnt really matter where the language came from, how it was formed or w/e, only what it's like today and if/why you're frustrated with it or find it really funny.
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on April 05, 2012, 06:12:13 pm
Quote from: [ptx] on April 05, 2012, 02:06:35 pm
Language being polluted by alien words and trash and language evolving with newly made words and stuff are two different things. - you didn't exactly disprove this part.
I disagree.
yes, you can probably distinguish between those two processes. My point however is that both (and especially the polluting-part) are allways part of the synthesis of new languages.

Sorry for your thread, random dude.

btw. has some german here noticed that the use of indefinite articles has nearly ceased to exist?
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Thomek on April 06, 2012, 03:38:25 am
I can confirm. Polish is a completely fucked up Language.
I had to learn it my first year in Poland.. I was so naive..  I have never been so close to wanting to kill myself as in the language year. Old school teachers drawing lists of rules on the blackboard day in day out.

Never try to learn Polish, unless you already speak some other slavic language!

@Kafein
The reason word order doesn't matter in Polish is because the cases which are usually expressed in different endings/aka conjugations define the relations between the words..

@Khorin
I think perhaps finnish beats Polish in complexity, without having any knowledge of finnish of course..

The moment I thought I got the basics down the teacher started throwing more and more complicated shit at us.. After about 4 months they revealed to us that almost ALL VERBS had a second version, separate from all conjugations, namely the perfective version of the verb. (When something is already done) These verbs often had completely different "names" like i.ex

To see:
Widzec imperfective
obejrzec perfective

The verbs and nouns of course change according to a host of different circumstances, whether it's a question, the person is male/female, dead, inanimate etc..

The easiest are the verb conjugations.

7 different objects x2perfective/imperfective x 2/3 tenses or about 42 or 53 versions of one verb in one word. It's highly regular so thats easy.

Now remembering words.

every single fucking verb in the polish language seems to start with:
Przy
Prze
Za
od
ob
etc...
and end in ec or ac.

They are all sick combinations with the root (the unique thing) hidden in one or 2 letters in the middle or in the combination of the base sounds. When you speak to someone you have to backwards filter out all the 42 tense conjugations, separate the word from the rest of the sentence to find out what they are saying. And polish people speak FAST, because many words have so many stances(?).

The rules are so complicated many poles struggle with using it correctly.

Been here almost 5 years, and still speak like a child. :D

Norwegian on the other hand, most people from any country pick it up decently in half a year, and 90% of norwegians speak good english.

It's not fair.
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Kafein on April 06, 2012, 04:10:06 am
I think it's a good thing to learn a difficult language as mother tongue. Languages such as english or espagnol are easy enough to be learned afterwards with a reasonable amount of practice.


From a french perspective, languages based heavily on declinaisons and very little on word order are confusing. You need to learn a larger amount of regular, simple rules, but you also lose the complexity of word order rules. Those are so obscure you will never "learn" but the simplest ones theoritically.
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: isatis on April 07, 2012, 05:42:55 pm
funny thing about french :

searching for synonyms

Starting from one random word with only one meaning : Nèpe (a little scorpion)
and, after a while. I got ''bouilloire'' which is a kettle (dah thing who make water boil)
Give children a synonym dictionnary and that's the kind of thing that can happen in their text...


Those polish/hungarian/finnish language make me scare :P

I saw the warning of watch your dog in picture of a friend of mine... their was a reason why he took this in picture !
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on April 08, 2012, 12:35:42 am
Asproigerosis... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNpZbgIeqxk)
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Arn_Magnusson on May 06, 2012, 09:55:33 pm
To refresh this. The Polish has also ambiguous word: KURWA.
Big part of community knows it in way, that he'd like or he heard.
Polish won, as the most fucked up language o/
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Christo on May 06, 2012, 10:04:28 pm
Hungarian also has the word; "Kurva"

Same meaning.
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Bjord on May 06, 2012, 10:20:31 pm
Nobody swears like Hungarians. It's an art form.

"Kapd be a faszt te kurva faszfejū szarházi piszok, a jó istent basza meg az anyádat mert az apád fasza nem ál a képére, is meg akkor sem kúrna meg aszt a cigányt(sorry travelers) mert a picsája rohadtabb mint a kutyának a szaros segge."

I wouldn't dare translate this.

And I do not even grasp Hungarian 100%. I still know how to swear like a drunken sailor tripping on coke, though.

Any Hungarians please feel free to correct my swearing. :lol:
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Christo on May 06, 2012, 10:23:20 pm
Quote from: Bjord on May 06, 2012, 10:20:31 pm
Nobody swears like Hungarians. It's an art form.

I wouldn't dare translate this.

Hungarian swearing is indeed something unique.

You can't.  :)
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Bjord on May 06, 2012, 10:24:40 pm
You can, it just wouldn't make sense. :D
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Christo on May 06, 2012, 10:28:02 pm
Yeah it would sound quite weird.

Bjord this is for you because you understand hungarian, awesome swearing combo, mechanic goes mad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOgNuA5nXqk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOgNuA5nXqk)
5:49m of constant, non repetitive swearing.

Hehe
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Bjord on May 06, 2012, 10:37:11 pm
I wish I could swear like that. :lol:
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Kafein on May 07, 2012, 10:47:51 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knFmjVf0jVk
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Germanicus on May 13, 2012, 11:34:47 am
Quote from: B3RS3RK on April 04, 2012, 12:58:57 am
Butterfly means "SCHMETTERLING!!!!" in my language.Tell me that´s not fucked up.Especially if "Schmettern" means to dash something.

Oh well, just visit 9gag, it has plenty of those pictures with language comparison.And guess what, the weirdest ist mostly german.


deswegen heißen sie ja auch schmetterling.....
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Germanicus on May 13, 2012, 11:37:45 am
german is a fucked p language but in someway epic (no i dont say that cuz im german, many people told that to me to asians,europeans and americans frenchys to!!!) its fucked up bcuz its hard to speak and its epic cuz you have 500 differend words with the same fucking meaning  and you can do fucked up cool metal with that language :DDDD
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Barracuda on May 13, 2012, 11:49:15 am
Quote from: Germanicus on May 13, 2012, 11:37:45 am
german is a fucked p language but in someway epic (no i dont say that cuz im german, many people told that to me to asians,europeans and americans frenchys to!!!) its fucked up bcuz its hard to speak and its epic cuz you have 500 differend words with the same fucking meaning  and you can do fucked up cool metal with that language :DDDD

For me hardest part of learning German was the remebering whether a noun is masculine, femininine or neuter. And how you conjugate(?) them in different situations.
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Ujin on May 14, 2012, 12:45:55 am
I strongly believe and keep telling my dutch clanmates that their language sounds like a deepthroat blowjob gone wrong. That's how fucked up it sounds to me.
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Kafein on May 14, 2012, 10:10:12 am
Quote from: Ujin on May 14, 2012, 12:45:55 am
I strongly believe and keep telling my dutch clanmates that their language sounds like a deepthroat blowjob gone wrong. That's how fucked up it sounds to me.

plused
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Beauchamp on May 15, 2012, 12:58:25 am
ČTVRTHRST
SCVRNKLS

the longest czech words without vowels.
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Christo on May 15, 2012, 01:21:35 am
How the hell do you pronounce that. : o
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Lennu on May 15, 2012, 09:30:37 am
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Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on May 17, 2012, 05:08:05 am
Dutch is supposedly one of the closest languages to English, but it sounds like a tape of someone speaking English played in reverse to me. I only know English and some Spanish though, so non-Latin languages are mostly a mystery to me.
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: enigmatic_stranger on May 18, 2012, 10:42:19 pm
Quote from: Beauchamp on May 15, 2012, 12:58:25 am
ČTVRTHRST
SCVRNKLS

the longest czech words without vowels.

Strč prst skrz krk.
Prd krt skrz drn, zprv zhlt hrst zrn.
What does this mean? :lol:
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Karrypto on May 19, 2012, 02:35:18 pm
Quote from: A_Hot_Elf_Princess on May 17, 2012, 05:08:05 am
Dutch is supposedly one of the closest languages to English, but it sounds like a tape of someone speaking English played in reverse to me. I only know English and some Spanish though, so non-Latin languages are mostly a mystery to me.
Dutch is German and English mixed up. Sounds hilarious to Germans btw :lol:
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Kafein on May 19, 2012, 03:51:36 pm
Quote from: Karrypto on May 19, 2012, 02:35:18 pm
Dutch is German and English mixed up. Sounds hilarious to Germans btw :lol:

They also include french words because it's trendy.

Example : Ordering an orange juice, I managed to pronounce sinaasappelsap then the shopkeeper proceeded to say "haa, een jus d'orange !"

-_-
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Beauchamp on May 21, 2012, 10:57:11 am
Quote from: Christo on May 15, 2012, 01:21:35 am
How the hell do you pronounce that. : o

normally
http://cs.forvo.com/word/scvrnkls/
http://cs.forvo.com/word/%C4%8Dtvrthrst/#cs
Title: Re: How fucked up is your language?
Post by: Everkistus on May 21, 2012, 11:40:56 am
Quote from: Ninja_Khorin on April 04, 2012, 01:28:51 am
How you bend the word "store"(kauppa) in Finnish:
http://www.ling.helsinki.fi/~fkarlsso/genkau2.html

~2250 variations.

Can be done with any noun.
Quoted for extreme truth. Finnish is quite brutal for a non-native speaker to learn.