and does this agreement include HATE? or do you still plan to attack them?
Subtlety of a brick, thank you for the broadcast.
Damn, snowcone! What you for Halloween? A BITCH?
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Lol.
Just lol at this garbage.
Signing a NAP with the clan that pooped all over you and made you quit.
just wondering if you have gone back on yet another arrangement like usual.
I have the ability to mute and unmute you! Muaha!
As for Fallen guy, we are just reminding everyone of how well you can be trusted brochacho. That and Tears always brings out the best in every young goonling.
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no one gives a shit about that bow thing really, tkov got over it because they aren't spergs, i'm just using it an example of you being a horrible diplomat and a condescending idiot, how awful fallen is to deal with in any wayThank you for your time, and your valuable opinion!
i never even said shit about tkov kicking you people out, coy just misinterpreted what i said when i was just shit talking fallen to her, as i do regularly because i remind her she is in an awful clan as a constant (but truthful) troll
i'm just listing a list of my experiences with fallen, 99 percent of which you can't refute, because I don't troll fallen endlessly for no reason. in strat 1.0 you must've had different leaders or something because you guys seemed pretty good and were helpful. But you've abused that reputation and just endlessly dicked over everyone else in strat every opportunity and really, really ruined your reputation with the community as a whole and I'm just speaking from my perspective. I have had so many negative experiences with fallen as a strategus clan leader it's just awful and my post is to really help fallen understand why some people, like me, act the way they do towards you all.
I'm sure many other clans aren't quite so open and forthcoming about their opinions and will post innocuous good tidings in this thread wishing you luck. But trust me, no one views you guys as anything but shit, and with people like you doing diplomacy, that will never change.
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Smooth why did you sign up against MB, for Hospitallers for tonight's battle?
We should be thanking Smoothrich, as thanks to him, we don't even have to do anything to maintain an evil reputation.
idk so what, you let FCC get shit on so hard they rage quit even though you were "just about to help" thing is you didn't, i was there in the big raid battle that cost them so much gear, it was afternoon EU time and the enemy was stacked with EU fighters, unsurprisingly not a single fallen was there for them to be seen, when they needed help teh most, maybe if you guys actually merced for them they wouldn't of rage quitted en masse, too bad you indirectly cost us one of the most well liked clans in crpg
i don't really give a shit who is in charge or what who says what, i don't even know who you are tomas.And you wonder why relations are difficult with this mentality?
no one has talked to LLJK at all, you blame me for bad diplomacy when every clan in a row asked me "did tears talk to you guys yet about new leadership?" when in reality tears removed me from his friends list months before because he tried to get my admin removed shitting up thread after thread about me and stopped talking to me completely, making me dislike him as an individual and further tarnishing your clans reputation. what do you expect when you have zero communications with the largest NA clan that is the center of the territory, and the person you put in charge of getting the "fallen message" to new clans is someone who cannot resist trying to sully my name in the community due to his own paranoid, autistic, obsessed reasons.I did contact you several times, but everytime you cut me off with your trollery. My fondest moment was your "I will singlehandedly make sure that the Fallen have no future in the NA territory" on IRC."
In regards to the red, good to see that I'm the only one who promised to be civil.
thing is you can ask anyone in chaos or tkov or any of those clans, for the past ~2 months i've said i don't care about fallen
coy tried sending you people messages for me that seemingly got ignored so she doesn't care anymore either.
i was told i wasn't welcome in the fallen IRCNow who told you that?
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- Despite the lack of agreements with you we still decided to press ahead and attack HATE in order to secure your western borders. We identified this as a good way to support you without going back on a NAP agreement that we have been discussing with Hosptialler/Occitan since before the war even started. We told you, CHAOS and TKoV about attacking HATE and whilst CHAOS and TKoV are happy with this, you seem to have a problem with us helping you out?!
Oh ho? I like how we got this info ahead of time.
and does this agreement include HATE? or do you still plan to attack them?
You can thank BADPLAYER for blowing the whistle on page one.
itt: another clan betrayed by fallen. lolhow? afaik we never had any kind of treaty with hate..."being kind of nice to us lately" aint anything official or is it?
Lets dance, shall we?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOyF4hR5GoE
itt: another clan betrayed by fallen. lol
Any way, see you all on the field!Best response in the entire thread by far.
itt: another clan betrayed by fallen. lol
Loki was leader at this time, can't say who it is now.Ramses is Captain, Tomas is the EU Second and I am the NA Second.
Betrayed? I don't recall any betrayal of us to HATE or any of the clans in HATE, as we never had any agreements whatsoever, we were completely neutral.
Actually, we got some info not to attack you boys from Sitting bull. Apparently you guys made some kinda deal to no longer fight each other. I never saw it, but we followed through with it.
We got this:
Hey guys, don't attack fallen, We got some stuff going on so don't attack em.
Yes I asked to go (coy asked for me) in the fallen IRC and small talk with your members and be friendly, and everyone said they would refuse to ever let me in there,You should be informed then that even the non-fallen (including a Dev who was the first to respond and with a "NO" as an answer.) in the channel refused to have you there. The IRC is not "public," and for the record I do not claim responsibility for the actions nor words of Curtis and his pissing. He also threatened to burn down the IRC or something like that.
I made no such deal. I asked for a meeting for "something mutually beneficial" and later canceled that meeting. I am willing to forward the exact messages to you if you so wish. I'll contact Sitting Bull myself to make sure nothing odd has happened. I am perfectly willing to make all communication with Sitting Bull and myself public for everyone in HATE.
I was passed only one message from her, ever, that you said "We will not attack fallen any time soon, but you better tell tears that The Fallen should attack Hospitaller soon or they are useless.
11:39 AM <Tears> Smoothrich is mentioning messages. Might I ask what messages were passed besides the one night about the TKoV incident, that were meant to be passed between Smoothrich to Fallen?
11:39 AM <Tears> I honestly only recall that one message
11:41 AM <Coy_> Well yes, you weren't paying much attention to what I was saying that night.
11:41 AM <Coy_> He talked about not wanting to fight with Fallen anymore and wanting to work together.
11:41 AM <Coy_> But no one in Fallen will talk to him.
11:48 AM <Tears> That part was relayed to leadership
11:48 AM <Tears> Thank you for your time.
Fine, I'll scroll through irccloud weeks back to that day and take a screenshot if I have to when I get home. I'm refering to the TKoV diplomacy incident, not our current short conversation.
Please do. Friend or no I won't have someone lying about what I say.
What I see in this thread is two people in particular having vast differences with each other and the diplomatic aspect falling short. This is something that should be taken to PM's/TS or other means of non-public communication imo.
Fact of the matter is: Fallen say they have been re-invented as a clan - this is a good time to show that past issues can be overcome and perceived negative diplomatic decisions be avoided or even undone. If this is to be done without past baggage, I recommend to have uninvolved people do the talking.
As far as Green goes (go green!), Fallen have asked us for neutrality in Strat for the time being and we stand by that. Smooth has made it clear that he sees no reason to stop trolling them at the same time, which was also conveyed. I see no issue to be discussed.
Give each other a break - this coming from the "backstabbers" of Strat 2.0 btw.
You always were one of my favorite RS.
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I have a pretty epic photobucket of plagiarized images and meme's if anyone's interested
I'm interested.
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I said no such thing. Though I hate to do this I won't let anyone call me a liar:
Fine, I'll scroll through irccloud weeks back to that day and take a screenshot if I have to when I get home. I'm refering to the TKoV diplomacy incident, not our current short conversation.
Please do. Friend or no I won't have someone lying about what I say.
I've fallen on enough ice.
Your fallen and can get up?
JOIN THE BRIGADE!
No need to join really, if you can get up :wink:
So you still plan to attack HATE right?
We had a deal..
Hey Kreczor,
Tears has agreed to stop posting in responce to Smoothrich and Badplayer on the Fallen diplomacy topic and I will as well. If you can manage to persuade Smoothrich and Badplayer to do the same then I think that will be best for all parties involved. The things being said are not benefitting anybody and it will be unfortunate to let this escalte into a full scale Strat and forum war.
Just to confirm what happened with the published message to HATE, we were responding to Smoothrich's declaration that he was going to attack Fallen and wipe us out. As soon as Coy relayed the message that he was trolling we canceled the requested meeting and felt secure enough to start building towards supporting the Green Alliance instead.
We have now attacked Kwynn acording to our communications with yourself and CHAOS but are unhappy with Smoothrich and Badplayer's public support of HATE which goes against these agreements. Whether it is trolling or not I am suprised that Smoothrich is advocating LLJK doing the very things he acuses Fallen of doing. Especially since our attack on HATE is a direct consequence of HATE attacking one of your own allies - The Knights of New. I will understand if you feel it best for LLJK not to merc for us in this war against HATE given what has been said. However I would still rather see you guys fighting with us instead of against us and if we can move beyond what has been said, perhaps all diplomacy between our 2 clans can be concluded between ourselves rather than between Smoothrich and Tears.
As a first step would you be willing to post a short message on our Fallen Diplomacy topic outlining that LLJK will not be supporting HATE, are neutral towards the Fallen and that there is nothing more to be said from LLJK members on the topic. At the same time I will post that we are attacking HATE in order to support the Green Alliance and that Fallen members also should shut up
Does that sound reasonable?
Cheers,
Tomas
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Now Fallen is trying to turn LLJK's own members against our leaders, jesus christ stop with this machiavellian bullshit. I like dealing with honest, well meaning people who play strat for fun and like the good battles, like we've been doing with hospitallers, have had with HATE, and in the past with Byzantium and other LLJK enemies. Fallen doesn't play for fun, they play to roleplay as all powerful behind the scenes backstabbing master strategists who play every side and always come out on top. Everyone was sick of your BS and you got wiped out right at the start. I feel bad for HATE because they were clearly just another pawn in your schemes and they just want to have fun too. Really sad to watch this unfold.
I'm sorry - Kreczor messaged us to try and establish a more amicable dimplomatic contact. I therefore assumed he had the right to speak on your behalf and merely attempted to move on from this debacle. Clearly I was wrong.You really didn't read any of the pms I sent you did you. You clearly misinterpreted me as I intended to merc for you as a PLAYER. Here, let me quote my original message:
This pm in no ways represents the views of the green alliance including every faction that represents it. It represents the views and opinions of LLJK_Kreczor and LLJK_Kreczor alone. I'm hoping we can come to terms.
Makes alliance with "Evil" clan, gets surprised when betrayed.
Give in to temptation, do it.
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Very interesting thread... :P
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idk so what, you let FCC get shit on so hard they rage quit even though you were "just about to help" thing is you didn't, i was there in the big raid battle that cost them so much gear, it was afternoon EU time and the enemy was stacked with EU fighters, unsurprisingly not a single fallen was there for them to be seen, when they needed help teh most, maybe if you guys actually merced for them they wouldn't of rage quitted en masse, too bad you indirectly cost us one of the most well liked clans in crpgYes
honestly besides you getting stomped on at the very start (for perfectly justifiable reasons) you were a total non factor in strat 3.0 so of course you didn't have the chance to fuck over too many people
but strat 2.0 was an absolute nightmare in dealing with you people and thats where the great majority of my complaints, are, things that so far have been hand waved or totally ignored. honestly it was so damaging that i don't really give a shit who is in charge or what who says what, i don't even know who you are tomas. my relations with fallen this strat have been 0, no one has talked to LLJK at all, you blame me for bad diplomacy when every clan in a row asked me "did tears talk to you guys yet about new leadership?" when in reality tears removed me from his friends list months before because he tried to get my admin removed shitting up thread after thread about me and stopped talking to me completely, making me dislike him as an individual and further tarnishing your clans reputation. what do you expect when you have zero communications with the largest NA clan that is the center of the territory, and the person you put in charge of getting the "fallen message" to new clans is someone who cannot resist trying to sully my name in the community due to his own paranoid, autistic, obsessed reasons.
thing is you can ask anyone in chaos or tkov or any of those clans, for the past ~2 months i've said i don't care about fallen, you guys can do whatever you want in strat and i won't raid you people or give you trouble, i just troll a bunch because of how shitty you were to deal with when fallen was actually in a position to play strat in 2.0, and the terrible things tears has done to me and many of my friends in this community, for pretty much no reason besides his own ego. no one else in fallen was willing to talk to me so i made sure to tell coy to let you guys know most of what i say is trolling and i'd welcome you guys playing strat, but i mean you really should be helping the people who gave you a place to stay in some way. but i guess helping other clans isn't very fallen of you.
now that you are going forward and saying that you will basically openly plot against whoever you want i figured i would just post my side of things, since once again no one in fallen has ever manned up to deal with me directly, so i have no reason to assume you people as anything but hostile. i was told i wasn't welcome in the fallen IRC, i really can't be bothered to ever be civil with tears, coy tried sending you people messages for me that seemingly got ignored so she doesn't care anymore either. I actually went out of my way in strat 3.0 to protect fallen once if you remember. Goretooth went, without orders, to attack a fallen fief along with BADPLAYER, two of the biggest fallen haters in our faction. You guys were weak at the time, and would've lost. What I did, because i actually honor agreements, I removed them from teh faction temporarily, then placed them at much lower rank, and unhired everyone, and let all the troops and stuff die, pretty sure giving you the gear as well. Yet I am still the asshole, right?
a new one even came out in this very thread, with tears backstabbing HATE. its just funny is all.
if you've ever been a diplomat or a leader/some sort of organizer for a strategus faction, BS is unbelievable.
I don't know what's worse in this thread....
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You are weak green member that clan cannot face another 1 on 1 that is why you must all go same color because you are weak putos.
if you've ever been a diplomat or a leader/some sort of organizer for a strategus faction, the amount of BS you have to put up with is unbelievable.
the diplomacy metagame is like a bunch of 12 year old socially incapable spergs trying to reenact their favorite scenes from Game of Thrones.
the best part is the battles but your clan just gets wiped out immediately by some scrub alliance if you don't waste a few minutes of your life every couple days small talking with other clan leaders/diplomats and working out deals for the sake of your players. or if European, your clan gets wiped out immediately if you forgot to join the UIF or have half the dev team in your clan, sorry EU community.
when some people are unusually awful at communicating with other people, it makes you not want to help them out in strat, or go out of your way to pick fights with them, since we usually don't start strat wars with people we like talking to and playing games with.
i certainly posted way too much in this thread but i just wanted to compile the ways fallen have failed at this part of the game and there was just so much i had to write everything i could recall, lol. i'm sure there's been many, many more. a new one even came out in this very thread, with tears backstabbing HATE. its just funny is all.
You are weak green member that clan cannot face another 1 on 1 that is why you must all go same color because you are weak putos.
You traded with EU for all of strat, that is basically being a traitor to NA, that much is obvious even to me. Regardless, no one had a problem with you and we were friendly all strat, though most people could not be bothered to trade with new clans, especially considering LLJK and chaos's central positions on the map limiting trade distance viability, and the chokehold EU has on trade routes in the Strat map (very, very imbalanced). If someone like Goate trolled you in the LLJK teamspeak, well what do you expect, he is an obnoxious shit head troll goon, it always happens to people.Don't over extend yourself it you cannot control one person in your green alliance. If he didn't represent you then why was his whole roster green when he attacked first?
If I recall, Hospitallers declared war on me and attacked my fiefs and fiefs of my friends on their own, after shik, someone who has no say in green alliance politics and wasn't representing us at all, put on green colors and attacked as a 1 man faction and raided a fief. Because of that 400~ man raid you sent 5k armies to my doorstep. Not my fault you got owned so badly, like every other clan that's ever attacked LLJK. Either way, you attacked me all things considered and got enough of a beat down that I'm moving my armies elsewhere, so good luck with the rest of the war.
Don't over extend yourself it you cannot control one person in your green alliance. If he didn't represent you then why was his whole roster green when he attacked first?
We were going to attack Hospitallers at a later date (as i'm sure pretty much everyone knows) but when Shik attacked we decided to go along with the raid and weren't gonna do further attacks until a later point if Hospitallers stopped at taking Hanun, but instead they pushed on and started attacking us and declared war. Shik was never in our alliance he was just a dude I let have a free fief and we decided to have some fun in his attack.Forgot about asking them to change their strat color to green everyday? I don't and thought it was lame making everyone change to one color in strat. I don't want NA to be like EU. Glad there is war for once.
No worries here smoothrich. Shik was just the beginning of what was already to come. Greens were gearing up and we decided not to wait. Those early armies were getting phased out, and unfortunately was not prepared for the new tactics which the greens have shown to be quite successful. Fancy new armies are rolling out now for more strat fun!
This war is just starting to get good!