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Title: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: MrRicky on January 20, 2012, 09:12:07 pm: I know what alot of the admins will say when they see this "Oh great another Bitch moaning about getting rid of repairs" but i have actually got to say it is ruining Crpg

Reasons Why we need to get rid of Repairs:

I've been mentioning this on a couple of servers and i have got to say... Alot of the replys where "You will get the best armor straight" Ok This is a load of crap, as it took me 18hours to even get close to buying the armour but by then i was already lvl 26 and had multiple debts which leads me onto my next argument that ok i used a normal crossbow (which costs 10k) and first time using without dieing i spent 700 on repairs..... are you kidding i could buy a nice piece of fur armour with that but instead i got a threat note saying "You Might want to fix that" as if the actual server diliberatly destroyed my items, yeah so the upkeep for any item on this game is ridicolous so im stuck wearing shitty fur which btw there is nothing fun about it...honestly before lvl 26 i played this game 5hours a day thats how amazing it was but since i was burdened with repairs i barely play 30mins without being fustrated at losing all the money i made using teamwork and a feck load of stimulant drinks.... I know what i'm asking will be most unlikely but if you could atleast decrease the repair costs or alternativly by getting rid of repairs you could always use other ways to stop players for example you could Increase the lvls of all armours so everybody will actually need to concentrate on levels instead of worrying if they will have enough money to repair there little clubs or peseant knives. Thanks for reading all this, looking forward for the admins agreeing with me :)
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: Penitent on January 20, 2012, 11:28:01 pm: It's hard to have a compelling argument when your entire post is like one huge long run-on sentence and its really hard to read do you know what I mean its like trying to listen to someone talking really fast and you get the gist of what they're saying but you don't really have anything specific stick in your mind and its too frustrating to bother reading again.

:)
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: Brrrak on January 21, 2012, 12:26:22 am: I've often wondered why people seem to have so much issue with repairs, as I've only seen things break when I'm dumb enough to purchase something expensive without leaving a reasonable buffer beforehand. A good armor rating (~40) set for head, body, and legs should not cost you more than 30k, with weapon depending on your class. Cavalry is different, yes, and so you need more of a buffer there. However, as it stands, I can't reasonably state that repair is an issue if you wisely manage your money: look beyond the upkeep you pay at the end of each round, and start looking at your gains overall during a round of gameplay. If you're having issues with upkeep with a decent loadout of 30k, then consider using less expensive equipment until you have a good 5k-10k gold saved up for buffer.

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Also, your poll is biased as hell, I'm not choosing either position.
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on January 21, 2012, 12:58:50 am: And lo, they did herp and derp and poo was born from it.
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: Zerran on January 21, 2012, 07:22:52 am: This is the same argument given every time. I agree with Brrrak, I've never had any issue dealing with repairs.
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: Wraist on January 21, 2012, 08:25:16 am: I'm confident that I have enough gold to wear the Weimar helmet+Black Armor+Heavy Guantlets and use a flamberge for at least a full generation or two.

Your idea would have everybody [except for awesome red shirt wearers] using full plate at level 30, widening the level gap even more :|. Perhaps invest more wpf. Also, it doesn't matter the type of armor you wear as long as you can block [barring ranged deaths].
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: Paul on January 21, 2012, 10:39:55 am: Very fair poll. Stopped reading there.
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: Elmokki on January 21, 2012, 10:58:32 am: The effect of reducing repairs is making people run in higher end armor. People run in high enough end armor already.

It's not hard to run in decent gear while gaining money really. It just won't be full plate.
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: Ylca on January 21, 2012, 11:36:59 am: I can't believe people are still to stupid to realize that if you plant a biased poll people here are going to vote against whatever you are pushing towards regardless of what they personally believe.

Beyond that upkeep is a joke.

If you are Gen 1 you get a free set of levels to do nothing but get free money to build a buffer.

If you are beyond Gen 1, why didn't you sell your loom? 1 loom is enough to support heavy cav for multiple generations, don't tell me whatever gear you're using costs significantly more than my mamluk/dhurizina elite/h. lance/gloves + shield.

If you are worried about upkeep you are playing CRPG terribly wrong. The marketplace has destroyed the concept of upkeep being a mitigating factor.
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: _Tak_ on January 21, 2012, 11:37:45 am: The cost for cavalry should reduce a little since the upkeep is insane. Also as a plate charger user myself.........
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: Meow on January 21, 2012, 11:41:51 am: Quote from: AlexTheDragon on January 21, 2012, 11:37:45 am
The cost for cavalry should reduce a little since the upkeep is insane. Also as a plate charger user myself.........

I agree, cavalery totally needs another buff, we do not have enough of them right now.
I see so few Plated Chargers around lately and i miss my elephants =(
Are you high?
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: Ylca on January 21, 2012, 11:45:27 am: Quote from: Meow on January 21, 2012, 11:41:51 am
I agree, cavalery totally needs another buff, we do not have enough of them right now.
I see so few Plated Chargers around lately and i miss my elephants =(
Are you high?

This is CRPG, nerf archery, buff cav. People will complain all day in-game about cav but never on the forums because they're too busy nerfing any sort of ranged into oblivion again.

By the way, every ranged nerf is a cav buff so thanks for that i guess.
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: _Tak_ on January 21, 2012, 11:46:52 am: Quote from: Ylca on January 21, 2012, 11:36:59 am
I can't believe people are still to stupid to realize that if you plant a biased poll people here are going to vote against whatever you are pushing towards regardless of what they personally believe.

Beyond that upkeep is a joke.

If you are Gen 1 you get a free set of levels to do nothing but get free money to build a buffer.

If you are beyond Gen 1, why didn't you sell your loom? 1 loom is enough to support heavy cav for multiple generations, don't tell me whatever gear you're using costs significantly more than my mamluk/dhurizina elite/h. lance/gloves + shield.

If you are worried about upkeep you are playing CRPG terribly wrong. The marketplace has destroyed the concept of upkeep being a mitigating factor.

Is that means if I play on my gen 1 main forever without retiring i will never have to repair anything? Really?

Quote from: Meow on January 21, 2012, 11:41:51 am
I agree, cavalery totally needs another buff, we do not have enough of them right now.
I see so few Plated Chargers around lately and i miss my elephants =(
Are you high?

Aye Meow, i can do another update for the elephant ....
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: Zerran on January 21, 2012, 12:01:10 pm: Quote from: AlexTheDragon on January 21, 2012, 11:46:52 am
Is that means if I play on my gen 1 main forever without retiring i will never have to repair anything? Really?

This used to be an exploit, it has since been fixed. You don't have to repair for lvls 1-25, unless you respec in which case you start repairing immediately.

Honestly I don't think giving newbies the first 25 levels free of repair is good. I see too many of them grabbing the heaviest, most expensive equipment they can during this time, then when upkeep hits all they have is plate and have to sell it all. Making upkeep hit from the very beginning makes it easier to ease into it, as they start with low tier equipment and can balance upkeep cost with income as they go, rather than getting hit by it all at once with good gear.
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: Meow on January 21, 2012, 12:02:04 pm: Quote from: Ylca on January 21, 2012, 11:45:27 am
This is CRPG, nerf archery, buff cav. People will complain all day in-game about cav but never on the forums because they're too busy nerfing any sort of ranged into oblivion again.

By the way, every ranged nerf is a cav buff so thanks for that i guess.

No worries, i am very aware of that, sadly can do nothing except for posting about it myself.
But that is another thread i guess, mainly the rebuff throwing and slow ranged weapons - remove damage nerf from body shots for horses one :mrgreen:

Quote from: MrRicky on January 20, 2012, 09:12:07 pm
18hours

After you get in about ten times that amount of play time you will understand how upkeep as gold sink plays an important role in making lower priced gear useful and keeping the marketprices from going up even faster.

Quote from: AlexTheDragon on January 21, 2012, 11:46:52 am
Is that means if I play on my gen 1 main forever without retiring i will never have to repair anything? Really?

No that means if you are gen1 and below 10k money as well as below a certain level you will not pay upkeep.
If you reach that level or rerespec/retire that is not possible anymore if i am updated on that mechanic.

It's so newbies can make some money before they get hit by upkeep, not so people can use plated chargers in black armor forever.

Quote from: AlexTheDragon on January 21, 2012, 11:46:52 am
Aye Meow, i can do another update for the elephant ....

Nah, i meant the Plated Charger, i do not really want war elephants.
When i see a Plated Charger on the field right now i always go d'awwww, they just look so hilarious with their tank like armor plates and all.
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: Ylca on January 21, 2012, 12:03:54 pm: Quote from: Zerran on January 21, 2012, 12:01:10 pm
This used to be an exploit, it has since been fixed. You don't have to repair for lvls 1-25, unless you respec in which case you start repairing immediately.

Honestly I don't think giving newbies the first 25 levels free of repair is good. I see too many of them grabbing the heaviest, most expensive equipment they can during this time, then when upkeep hits all they have is plate and have to sell it all. Making upkeep hit from the very beginning makes it easier to ease into it, as they start with low tier equipment and can balance upkeep cost with income as they go, rather than getting hit by it all at once with good gear.

Just because some newbies are complete morons with their gear doesn't mean all are. I see no reason to punish those good at financial planning for the idiocy of those who are not. There are dozens of guides and dozens of players who let newbies know exactly what level of gear to expect to be able to handle, if they choose to blast ahead for black plate, so be it on them.
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: _Tak_ on January 21, 2012, 12:26:11 pm: Quote from: Meow on January 21, 2012, 12:02:04 pm

It's so newbies can make some money before they get hit by upkeep, not so people can use plated chargers in black armor forever.

Me

Nah, i meant the Plated Charger, i do not really want war elephants.
When i see a Plated Charger on the field right now i always go d'awwww, they just look so hilarious with their tank like armor plates and all.

Anyway i just updated it :D
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: Joker86 on January 21, 2012, 02:40:51 pm: *Sigh*

Okay, let's try it.

Quote from: MrRicky on January 20, 2012, 09:12:07 pm
I've been mentioning this on a couple of servers and i have got to say... Alot of the replys where "You will get the best armor straight" Ok This is a load of crap, as it took me 18hours to even get close to buying the armour but by then i was already lvl 26 and had multiple debts

There we already have the first mistake in your assumption: without upkeep you wouldn't have those depts and thus you would be capable of buying the best armour much sooner. And always remember, this game is meant to be played for more than 4 or 8 weeks. (At least it tries to keep up motivation for a longer period than this :-/ )

Quote from: MrRicky on January 20, 2012, 09:12:07 pm
which leads me onto my next argument that ok i used a normal crossbow (which costs 10k) and first time using without dieing i spent 700 on repairs..... are you kidding i could buy a nice piece of fur armour with that but instead i got a threat note saying "You Might want to fix that" as if the actual server diliberatly destroyed my items

Well, the more powerful an item is, the more upkeep you pay. It's not like you are supposed to buy new items all the time, you do it at the beginning and then later from time to time if you want to try something different. All the additional money you gain can be spent for repairs. The art is to balance your entire item value accodingly.

Quote from: MrRicky on January 20, 2012, 09:12:07 pm
yeah so the upkeep for any item on this game is ridicolous so im stuck wearing shitty fur which btw there is nothing fun about it...honestly before lvl 26 i played this game 5hours a day thats how amazing it was but since i was burdened with repairs i barely play 30mins without being fustrated at losing all the money i made using teamwork and a feck load of stimulant drinks....

I would really LOVE to see the equipment you are using. If you are really losing money this would be the proof your sttement would be wrong that you can't afford expensive items after a short time. But if you are not losing money, only getting less than before level 20, I don't know what you are complaining about. Everyone earns money at the same slow rate, some more (light archers), some less (heavy cavalry), but in the end everyone manages to end up with some money earned.

Quote from: MrRicky on January 20, 2012, 09:12:07 pm
I know what i'm asking will be most unlikely but if you could atleast decrease the repair costs or alternativly by getting rid of repairs you could always use other ways to stop players for example you could Increase the lvls of all armours so everybody will actually need to concentrate on levels instead of worrying if they will have enough money to repair there little clubs or peseant knives. Thanks for reading all this, looking forward for the admins agreeing with me :)

Your biased poll says that farming money is bad, but you want a system that motivates players to farm XP? Where is the difference then?

Really, your topic has two general flaws:

1st: you are wrong thinking that upkeep limits you on equipment, slightly better than what a peasant has. Plate armour and one of the best melee weapons are perfectly sustainable.

2nd: you didn't think properly about the effects your suggestion would have. All classes would only use the same items, as you wouldn't have to decide between equipment any more. And, as I said, this would become real much faster than you would have ever thought. Two weeks at the most.

I would really like to see you answer to this topic, instead of just creating it and then letting it die. This helps noone, neither you nor the community.
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: Glyph on January 21, 2012, 03:16:41 pm: meow, cav is buffed becasue archery was nerfe, but you have to agree that cav has the hardest time to make money/not lose any. the only solutions to that for cav are:
1 go inf half of the time
2 sell looms
3 get crappy gear
4 get a crappy horse

and you have to pick one atleast to make money. cavalry can't be cav imo, you have to sacrifice looms or being cav at all. you shouldn't be forced not to be able to be cavalry, which is already done by some scenes.
you are going to nerf cavalry because that's the only way to reduce the cav fest and i don't really mind, but then please make the repairs on horses lower, because i just want to be cav.

thx
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: Cepeshi on January 21, 2012, 03:20:20 pm: Quote from: Paul on January 21, 2012, 10:39:55 am
Very fair poll. Stopped reading there.

This. If you want to be taken seriously, make at least an effort for unbiased poll ffs.

Other than that: repairs are fine once you get used to them.
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: Herkkutatti on January 21, 2012, 03:41:04 pm: Upkeep is Keeping CRPG GOOD because now most of people can't afford using Tin can armors on many rounds a row. upkeep is fine.

I use too much time to this game and i'm not poor guy like the guy who made this thread, but still i farm gold :)
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: Brrrak on January 21, 2012, 06:05:43 pm: Quote from: Ylca on January 21, 2012, 11:36:59 am
I can't believe people are still to stupid to realize that if you plant a biased poll people here are going to vote against whatever you are pushing towards regardless of what they personally believe.

Beyond that upkeep is a joke.

If you are Gen 1 you get a free set of levels to do nothing but get free money to build a buffer.

If you are beyond Gen 1, why didn't you sell your loom? 1 loom is enough to support heavy cav for multiple generations, don't tell me whatever gear you're using costs significantly more than my mamluk/dhurizina elite/h. lance/gloves + shield.

If you are worried about upkeep you are playing CRPG terribly wrong. The marketplace has destroyed the concept of upkeep being a mitigating factor.

Not only does one loom sale keep you good for even heavy cavalry for a long while, with standard infantry you can sell a loom, buy a loomed item, and have enough to buy plate, roll around in it until your next retirement, and then sell another loom point. Of course, this is situation-dependent, but I could definitely right now be rolling around with the most expensive armor.

And I'd feel like crap and probably do even worse (is that possible!?) while doing so.

In short, we need to go back to the proximity system.
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red herring away!
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: Nehvar on January 21, 2012, 08:50:47 pm: The majority of the people in this game have enough gold to purchase the heaviest armors. Removing repair costs is just going to drastically increase the number of plate-crutchers and to that I say: Fuck No.
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: IR_Kuoin on January 21, 2012, 09:30:25 pm: ATM I have 2 million and 200k gold, it would be fakin' amazing if they took away repair but then I would show up in full plate bumping your sorry arse off, and this would make the game unbalanced, so if you dont like the repairs then go play unbalanced Merc mod
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: Duke on January 22, 2012, 02:06:07 am: I put a - on the OP just for the biased poll, not going to bother reading the post.
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: Herkkutatti on January 22, 2012, 02:15:59 am: Quote from: WarLord on January 22, 2012, 02:12:28 am
This. And I wear equip of around 35 k up to 45 k and I´m always making good money, alone 30 k today. If I would play with crap peasant gear like Ricky says he does I´d make around 100 k a day, the least. Ridiculous.
i bet you play 20 hours a day?
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on January 22, 2012, 01:09:16 pm: After patch that added upkeep for each weapon slot I get around 2k repairs every two rounds (mostly worse than this, infact I lost 5k gold yesterday, and the duel server is the only way I can gain gold (besides glitching upkeep which you're sorta trying to get me to do)... I use four throwing lances, monk armor, a pilgrims hood, and a pair of rus boots... (I also have a heavy set that I barely ever use as I lose money even in armor that in total repairs for around 100 gold.)
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on January 22, 2012, 09:10:21 pm: Hi, only wanted to let you know that I didn't read your OP because of that fucking biased shithole of a poll.

cheers.
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: Kafein on January 22, 2012, 09:20:00 pm: I doubt that anyone claiming they would use the uber heavy armors if upkeep was removed have a clue about how helpless people are when they use one.

There's a reason we still have cav, and we only have a negligible amount of tincans, even though cav costs more.
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: Haze_The_Hobo on January 23, 2012, 01:38:53 pm: Duh, i get so much money while playing i don't even know where to stash them all, i don't trust banks so that is excluded.
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: [ptx] on January 23, 2012, 02:18:43 pm: Repairs should be banned? So if i repair some of my equip, i get permabanned? :?

Also, stopped reading at poll. Good job.
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: Black Wind on January 23, 2012, 02:19:14 pm: Upkeep is a bitch as cav. With mid tier gear. (Heraldic with surcoat, lance, KAS, gotland, chaissers nd mail mittens with a rouncey) it is hard as fuck to make a profit. This is already $50K worth of gear, and is barely sustainable, with a slight gold increase sitting on a x5 multi.

I think that riding skill should decrease the upkeep on ponies, or upkeep should be removed from low-tier horses (< palfrey)

This would be balanced, as

1 riding skill = -5% horse upkeep

This would really ease the strain on cav costs, and plate wouldnt be sustainable as the reduction margin isn't adequate for high-tier gear builds.
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: Brutal on January 23, 2012, 03:01:18 pm: I think pony should get current speed *.64 and acceleration*1.30 because they are too many of them.

Fair isn't it ?
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: MrRicky on January 23, 2012, 05:24:52 pm: Quote from: Paul on January 21, 2012, 10:39:55 am
Very fair poll. Stopped reading there.

So you found my poll so compelling you decided to not read on? Fair enough biased? perhaps true? most defiantly

Quote from: The_Bloody_Nine on January 22, 2012, 09:10:21 pm
Hi, only wanted to let you know that I didn't read your OP because of that fucking biased shithole of a poll.

cheers.

LOL Umadbro? You don't like don't bother wasting mine and other peoples time by commenting on something which doesn't add to the discussion

Listen all i have changed the poll because according to a lot of you its too biased! but i would like to say i have no idea how all of you got so much money i'm so poor that i wonder if crpg would send someone after me :S

you see i play games for fun not because i have to keep track of my money, heck if i really wanted to do that i would be sorting out my parents mortgage by now.

And No i will not edit my main post just so you don't strain your eyes if you want to read it be my guest.
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: rustyspoon on January 23, 2012, 06:04:50 pm: CRPG needs upkeep and it's better for it.

Before upkeep it did feel great when you finally earned enough money to buy something cool. After that though, what else was there?

Also, I honestly don't know how anyone can have a problem with upkeep. If you're new you have 25 levels to save up money. (Well, as long as you're not stupid and spend it all)

The lower tier horses are also quite affordable. A rouncy is not bad for upkeep. And if upkeep is such a HUGE problem, just retire once and sell your loom. Problem solved.
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: MrRicky on January 23, 2012, 07:18:41 pm: Yeah but i don't want to sell my loom if i do then i just wasted 20hours of play time,

and there was still heir looming to increase which i believe would of been enough to work towards considering it takes ages to retire and you have what like 4 levels per item?

and thats my point i mean what if i want to use a different horse like an armored plated one? i can't because i can't afford the upkeep.

which also brings me to my next point somebody earlier was talking about " if we got rid of repairs then there would be a bigger level gap between noobs and experienced players"
Well Tbh its starting to look like that now only thing is, is that now its turned around as i see new players with heavy strange Armour whilst i'm stuck looking after my hide set....
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: Joker86 on January 23, 2012, 08:05:43 pm: I am pretty disappointed you completely ignored my post. :cry:

Please tell us at least which equipment you use :?
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: Zerran on January 24, 2012, 03:55:18 am: Quote from: Joker86 on January 23, 2012, 08:05:43 pm
Please tell us at least which equipment you use :?

^ Playing "guess my equipment by my vague references" gets old very quickly. If you don't tell us what you're using we clearly can't help at all.
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: Camaris on January 24, 2012, 12:24:21 pm: He probably got a 20k armor with 10k gloves 3k footarmor 7k helmet 15k danish 3k Steelbolts and 10k Crossbow.
Probably he is right cause 70k of equip should easily earn you money :p
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: Teeth on January 24, 2012, 12:31:17 pm: I earn good money with 36444 goal worth of equipment. Join Byzantium, the multiplier is great.
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: Gnjus on January 24, 2012, 01:26:52 pm: Make a full wipe and there's your balance. You won't be seeing tincans, arbalesters & heavy cavalry for some time. :wink:
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on January 24, 2012, 08:27:48 pm: ok, now you changed the poll so I read your post.

It's really hard to tell what exactly you are saying and you have to tell what gear you are using, otherwise no one can help you.

Quote from: Gnjus on January 24, 2012, 01:26:52 pm
Make a full wipe and there's your balance. You won't be seeing tincans, arbalesters & heavy cavalry for some time. :wink:
As I said before a full wipe would be only good if you would get rid of heirlooms and retiring as well, else it makes no sense.
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: MrRicky on January 25, 2012, 09:14:18 am: Quote from: Joker86 on January 23, 2012, 08:05:43 pm
I am pretty disappointed you completely ignored my post. :cry:

Please tell us at least which equipment you use :?

Sorry i don't check this regulary :S ok i used to use

Pigface helmet
heavy kuyak
mail guantlets
shynbaulds
and An awl pike

but now thanks to it draining all my funds i wear

Nomad Armour
pilgrim hood
leather gloves
sarranaid boots
and a zero budget two handed axe....
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: [ptx] on January 25, 2012, 09:22:11 am: Quote from: MrRicky on January 25, 2012, 09:14:18 am
Sorry i don't check this regulary :S ok i used to use

Pigface helmet
heavy kuyak
mail guantlets
shynbaulds
and An awl pike

Big surprise there, lol.
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: [ptx] on January 25, 2012, 11:48:30 am: Actually no, that is pretty fucking expensive (and heavy).
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on January 25, 2012, 11:55:11 am: Quote from: MrRicky on January 25, 2012, 09:14:18 am
Sorry i don't check this regulary :S ok i used to use

Pigface helmet
heavy kuyak
mail guantlets
shynbaulds
and An awl pike

but now thanks to it draining all my funds i wear

Nomad Armour
pilgrim hood
leather gloves
sarranaid boots
and a zero budget two handed axe....
you should earn money with that. Perhaps you got a very unlucky day. Sometimes you loose much money but over the long run you should do good with this.

My equipment is worth around 28k and I make good money (not tons, though).
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: Teeth on January 25, 2012, 12:33:08 pm: Quote from: MrRicky on January 25, 2012, 09:14:18 am
Pigface helmet
heavy kuyak
mail guantlets
shynbaulds
and An awl pike
Total gear cost: 28305

My own total gear cost: 36444

Quote from: [ptx] on January 25, 2012, 11:48:30 am
Actually no, that is pretty fucking expensive (and heavy).

That is actually a surprise for me ptx, even though I do have a good banner and might have quite a high average multiplier, his equipment is pretty cheap. I make steady money with my 36k gear, not really fast, but it keeps on increasing.
I have heard that wearing daggers in your extra slots decreases breaking chance of your good items, although the explanation that was given to me made no sense at all because of the way breaking chance is calculated, I do wear daggers. Not sure if it works. Atleast it looks cool and its fun to kill the last man standing with them.

You can obviously downgrade on leg armour. Leg hits do less damage anyway, and they don't get hit all that much as it is only the lower leg portion of the body. Shynbaulds with a heavy kuyak is a complete waste of money. I actually wear Rus cavalry boots with my Rus lamellar Cuirass, they cost 400 gold. Is that a good idea? Not sure, but you have way too expensive leg armour.

You need to have a gold reserve, losing for a few maps in a row quickly drains my gold. I can drop well over 5k in a session. But other sessions have me going on a x5 streak that easily cancels out the losing streak. You really need to have a buffer to get you through the rough patches of atleast 20k. Grind low armour up to 20k and then start using your usual gear. Sometimes it may seem you are losing money but in the long run I really doubt you do.
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: [ptx] on January 25, 2012, 12:38:43 pm: Sorry, wasn't paying much attention, just saw shynbaulds (one of the more expensive leg armor) and pigface helmet (also expensive), didn't pay attention to the rest... must get more sleep :rolleyes:

Then again, 1 expensive piece of equip can cost you a lot more than 2 less expensive pieces (with the same combined price), if you are unlucky...
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on January 25, 2012, 12:52:17 pm: Quote from: SgtTeeh on January 25, 2012, 12:33:08 pm
I have heard that wearing daggers in your extra slots decreases breaking chance of your good items, although the explanation that was given to me made no sense at all because of the way breaking chance is calculated, I do wear daggers. Not sure if it works. Atleast it looks cool and its fun to kill the last man standing with them.
damn, I allways thought I would do something silly in matters of repaircost only because of appearance and a bit roleplaying ("you can never have too many daggers" blabla)
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: [ptx] on January 25, 2012, 12:56:25 pm: AFAIK, breaking chance for individual items is not influenced by their number... so, wearing more items (daggers) = more repair expenses.
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: Teeth on January 25, 2012, 01:56:07 pm: Quote from: [ptx] on January 25, 2012, 12:56:25 pm
AFAIK, breaking chance for individual items is not influenced by their number... so, wearing more items (daggers) = more repair expenses.
Thats what I said, but some of my clanmates were convinced otherwise. They said something a long the lines of that you break those daggers a lot due to having no wpf in it, preventing other items to break, makes no sense afaik.
Title: Re: downsizing or plain getting rid of repairs (Reasons why)
Post by: [ptx] on January 25, 2012, 02:01:16 pm: Nonsense, yeah.

To add to my previous post:
Balancing out the costs of your equipment, so that most of your items are in the same price range probably won't decrease your repair expenses, but will at least make them more predictable and stable, making it easier to track whether or not you are making gold with your setup.