http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB-Ct8J0LT0&feature=related
Really, need a thicker skin perhaps.
That said...
Somedays I think, this has to be the smartest community, because they are playing this game.
Then I see the insults in chat, 'bundle of sticks' being a favoured one of the weak minded. It's depressing, really, that not one iota spent on typing something at least moderately funny. I tend to troll these people, for their willingness to bend to the winds compels me. It is these winds, these trends that drive apes to parrot every insult, and also their thinking if they allow it to become a habit, leading to facist mob mentality and loss of any personal original thought.
Miraculously, only two nights ago, there seemed to have been 3-4 whole and complete hours of not one utterance of 'gay' 'bundle of sticks' used as an insult.
BRD I believe started it, with some innovative 'compliments' that had my chuckling - I salute you fellows, and others joined in.
examples:
Your flamberge is like a pole dancer.
Masterful use of the scimitar.
Fuck sake people, make an effort.
that was pretty fun. we had a drinking game that involved complimenting anyone who killed you... and you had to compliment them aloud on TS, then in game. it was pretty awesome, although the quality of compliment decreased as the night went on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB-Ct8J0LT0&feature=relatedThis ^
Epic troll post OP, +1
Please show me a game where people don't call eachother "gay" or "bundle of sticks".
And just like Allers said, these words are used as an insult, doesn't mean that the person is homophobic.
You are causing unnecessary drama.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB-Ct8J0LT0&feature=related
And just like Allers said, these words are used as an insult, doesn't mean that the person is homophobic.
But there is tons of gay peoples in this community that just explicitly tell peoples how they fucked their boyfriend or how they sucked a big fat cock, and how they love to take it in the ass and get their shit pushed, and after that they cry because peoples tell them shut up bundle of sticks. I mean you dont want to be call a my old friend well dont talk about it, you dont need to make yourself a special person by announcing that your gay and tell everyone what you do in your bed.
We dont hear stories of heterosexual peoples saying how they fucked their girlfriends or wife in the back ect...
So shut up about the my old friend stories and stop making yourself special like attention whores.
This ^
And This ^
And if you were really wanting to go down this road the only logical end to it would be to kick/ban/mute anyone that calls anyone ANY name as an insult. Period.
Which might not be a bad thing, but it'd be much easier if the devs would find a way for us to simply disable chat altogether.
*Homophobia is such a moronic term btw. I have yet to meet in my entire life someone that you would refer to as 'homophobic' actually being SCARED/FRIGHTENED of gay people. If you have met someone that goes into a paralysis or runs screaming in terror when he sees gay people then I'll stand corrected.*
But there is tons of gay peoples in this community that just explicitly tell peoples how they fucked their boyfriend or how they sucked a big fat cock, and how they love to take it in the ass and get their shit pushed, and after that they cry because peoples tell them shut up bundle of sticks.
I agree. I find it also annoying, and I don't see why people can say that word, but not the "n word," etc.
And lastly, dont take shit you read on the internet personally, dont take anything personally at all for that matter.
There's no difference between the words.
Maybe you do need to change , and stop thinking people are mocking you each time they say my old friend. You know what , most of people who are'nt native english speaker don't know that bundle of sticks is the colloquial word for gay. I'm french , and i do know some french playing crpg insulting archer and cav of beeing my old friend , but none of them knows that it has anything to do with gay.I'm a good example o.O
Second thing , you really want to be trolled ??!
If you like having sex with granny , or people to shit on your face , or having sex with a sadist , or whatever your sexual habits it's NONE OUR BUSINESS. If you don't want to be trolled about you gayness , don't bother us telling your gay. We are neither your friend neither your mom!
not allowing "my old friend" on the server turns it into a Christian Gaming Server, which is what Donkleaps tried to do on the community servers and he pretty much ruined them.Personally I think there is a significant difference between saying "that's gay" and "you're a my old friend", since my old friend has taken a new meaning on, whereas gay means... gay. Obviously it's not anywhere near as dangerous as true hate speech, however I don't think it should go under the radar.
Big generalized rules don't work for this kind of stuff, if a player is being personally harassed by another then it is very appropriate to speak to an admin and pursue action. However, general use of "wow that's gay" and "ur a my old friend lol" is not something that all gay people should be personally hurt by. I know it sounds kind of screwed up to say, but the context of this stuff is really important and it is so pervasively accepted in typical gamer culture/youth in general its best to learn now how to differentiate and recognize what real hate speech and bigotry is as compared to meaningless insults hurled into the black hole of the server chat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB-Ct8J0LT0&feature=related
Its kinda everywhere in the real world as well. The people talking trash all the time are really suffering inside.I think you're misinformed. People usually say these words out of habit, not to be hateful(For the most part) towards homosexuals.
They get what they deserve eventually.
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youth in general
somehow this is also why some -i think younger- people say melee fighting is more courageous, manly
It's viewed as more courageous/manly because it is. /story
What's braver, shooting at people from the safety of cover while other people are looking people in the eye while doing combat, or standing toe to toe with someone who wants to kill you and putting yourself in harms way to do the same to him? IE: Melee
Or, what's more courageous, pushing a button from a bunker and nuking a village, or taking on an army with a combat knife?
*Yes, you can argue that it's also foolish, but foolishness and courage go hand in hand*
i agree with you, but you forgot that it's a game :wink:
I understand that. But still, even within the context of the game, shotgunners are way less gay/cowardly than snipers. :wink:
this because a lot of people never met one and they still think a gay should go around with a pink bag, plastic pants, high pitch voice and a girlie's attitude... well i actually met one five or six years ago.. and was a really normal guy.
Why are folks arguing with Gorath?
because you are conditioned to associate flaming with gay,
I bet that 90% of the playerbase has no problems with lesbians... :|The remaining 10% are my old friends.
The remaining 10% are my old friends.
The remaining 10% are my old friends.
LOL
my old friends are psyhical idiots and bitches :D
STOP homosexualist!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cycXuYzmzNg
A message to everyone offended.
*pukes* there are gays playing cRPG?I quit. :lol:
Well hell if all these admins are for calling people my old friends and homos lets just go for broke and call people *snip*
a bloo bloo bloo i want to call people my old friends because I have the maturity level of a 12 year old and cant think of anything else to call someone.
All in all, yet another reason why muting someone should be permanent on your mute list rather than only lasting till they reconnect. AND having a way to disable chat altogether.
Don't you have someone to get mad and threaten over the internet again?
To get people to stop saying my old friend when someone kills them in a videogame, would require censoring chat in such a way that I think would be a huge turn off for the majority of players.. but this comes up to the ethical questions of putting the majority ahead of a minority.
In my eyes, it would turn it into a "Christian Gaming Server" where people are afraid to use chat or play on at all for fun due to admins having leeway to ban for saying "fuck" or something like that in a game where you kill people over and over and has an ESRB rating of "T" including a note for 'Mild Language"
Ill start like that. I see people kicked, banned for a teamhit. I see admins fighting like hard to prevent a racist word coming out, banning some people or others for weeks. I see a teamkill being a huge offense and people try to run from the guilt of having done it.
First of all, why a teamhit, an insult against black people, a word against religion more acceptable than an attack against gays or lesbians? Why if racist names, religion blasphemy names not accepted and bannable, homophobic and attack names against gays are?
We can do something against it, especially when there are vectors, pillars that incite others to spam against gays. I have an example of a player named Princess_Gayton when joined the game started spamming everyone homophobic things and made a whole 2 games gay bashing session when in 8 minutes a whole lot of people raged their anger about loosing a life or health or made fun against gays. I think this comportment deserves a ban, or at least a kick. I was sick when it happened, so I didnt took a snapshot. But I know hell do it again, and I think we should require to make him do a name change, whether fun it is pissing us off or not.
If you think its not a real problem, people do get affected by bundle of stickss and gays and to say how homo it is when you want to mean how bad or how stupid or how retard it is. When you make a link with gays and something being really idiot, it can have an impact if the person doesnt know you. Me, I get a little affected every time is see a word coming out like this starting a gaybashing discussion, and that wastes my fun and gets me in a bad mood sometimes after a while. But the worst thing is when I see admins fighting for a teamhit and I get insulted all the time and its no matter. I would get much less affected seeing a recognition like an admin telling to stop when I ask, or a ban when it is justified.
Im not complaining about a my old friend word coming now and then in a game session. Its the internet, and perfection is impossible. Im complaining about entire sessions of gays blasting games where people has almost nothing else to say than attacking gays on any idea they find, my old friend words modified, disrespecting people based on sexuality or stupid false prejudices and false ideas that are transferred and encouraging gay bashing in the name of fun.
I have a number of snapshots proving the link between my old friend and homo and gay. I can post if asked. While some can say it like that, lots of people do intend to blast gays, and use a variety of words such as homo gay or references to sexuality. Getting a gay attack word encourages others do to so. Saying its just bundle of sticks and no homophobia can be true for some people, but just check out whats going out in games. The references are much more numbered referring to gays that only the bundle of sticks word.
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,28604.0.html
When I saw the first comments I was very grateful of what admins said. But I have already tried three times to contact an admin in gaybashing sessions and I have received no answer at all. Even one time, the admin I have contacted started calling people bundle of stickss. I have the name of the admin, the snapshot and if you want it I can post.
If nothing is done, It gets to the next generations of players. Only next people like me will have to fight to do something, after getting pissed off so many times, asking only for justifiable respect, recognition over the others that are respected.
I am not asking to ban everyone that uses the word my old friend. What is inadmissible is to discriminate a minority and sends everyone the message that this minority does not deserve respect. It has impact on the identity of a lot of persons, and dont ask me about wasting fun for them. An insult sent just like that after a kill has no impact over identity. Note that racism names are totally not allowed, and gay names are, which is unfair, and they shouldn't be. It is possible that the guy who uses the my old friend word isnt homophobic, as it is possible that the guy using the nigga word isnt necessarily racist. It isnt really cool for gays, and sends the message that attacks against gays are justified, normal, and ok.
Now your fear is that these people that misunderstand what homosexuality need to be banned too much because homophobia is too present. Why it is too present is because nothing has been done against it for a long while btw. People have developed complicity raging against gays Im coming to the fact that if nothing is done like this, it will spread wider and gets to the next generations of players coming, they will gaybash too, tempted by the previous generations. And the message that racism is not ok and homophobia is pretty strong.
We can let my old friend words pass I think. Its the internet. But there are limits. I think when its too much, an admin should intervene. That means, when there gay blasting sessions and initiators or vectors that seem generating it, they should be advised, muted, kicked, banned. Gay blasting names shouldnt be allowed just as Racist names. It will flow the whole server by gay blasters. Warnings can be said to the majority of people in admin text. And examples as what I have sent at the end of this message should deserve a ban. Death threats or gays should die or moves to incite to hate them should definitely not pass.
Ive seen things on the forum man, some people are so uncultivated! First of all, you think there would be a gay pride just for fun with people running half naked if it wouldnt be to face the homophobia? Now some just think theyre perverts and want to show their bodies. Its about facing reject and showing unaffected.
Homosexuality isnt about who assrape the other in the ass. Its about being able to love somebody of the same sex, live a love story with that person and be able to share your life with that one. It's not only a question to be able to have sex with somebody of the same sex.
Express your love towards another human being has nothing of shameful, and people able to love should understand this.
About some prejudices I encountered.
Gays are effeminate. Effeminate is weak. First, thats sexism. Second, I know lots of really courageous gays and trust me femininity or sexual attraction has nothing to do with courage, on the contrary sometimes. Next, 98% of gays are not effeminate, and the rest are mostly open minded or cool people.
Gays are unsafe. Theres gays who are, and again, its a minority. I dont recall the 1920ies when nobody was conscious of aids.
Answering some comments in the post, if you absolutely want to know, not at all all gays do anal sex and heteros do it too.
I get the obsessed by sex sometimes, which has empowered the prejudice that gays only want to fuck. Its easier to get sex when youre gay, not because of homosexuality but because guys have more fun for it only than girls. Now there are a whole of gays I know that dont want to look for sex but for engagement. Heteros are looking for sex too, just see about what comes up when people talk about fucking a girl. Its not gays. Its guys. I am sure that the percentage of guys that are only open to getting out with somebody is the same in heteros and homo cultures. Now you can disapprove being obsessed by sex or not. But the links between obsessed by sex and gay are not there.
There are a lot of false ideas, or prejudices, and these ideas don't justify why gays should be hated and discriminated when other minorities shouldnt.
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I have received these comments by people playing the game. A my old friend word can pass. But when I get death threats or entire gay bashing session while somebody gets banned 3 days for a teamhit, I start loosing my mood. These ideas make people find justified to hate gays, we deserve respect, just as the other minorities. Gay blasting names shouldn't be allowed as racist names aren't, and things like in these snapshots deserve a ban.
You might have better luck channeling your efforts into persuading a different target audience. As mentioned earlier in this thread, there is a prevalent "gamer" attitude and culture that unfortunately incorporates less-than-ideal terminology as a descriptor or as a means of expressing frustration. Admins do what they can to identify and deal with specific hate speech, but other than that the language is here to stay, until such terminology falls out of fashion.
I daresay this thread is a monument of proof that the op is supremely attracted to people who share the same sex as him.
I am proposing concrete ways of acting: especially homophobic names and people who starts the whole thing. Also if racism isn't accepted, homophobia shouldn't too. Now you say terminology is fashion, what I ask is that something needs to be done more, like I said in my post.
[lots of stuff that I'm not responding to and has already been addressed in countless discussions regarding culture, media, and homosexuality in various social environments]
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I have received these comments by people playing the game. A my old friend word can pass. But when I get death threats or entire gay bashing session while somebody gets banned 3 days for a teamhit, I start loosing my mood. These ideas make people find justified to hate gays, we deserve respect, just as the other minorities. Gay blasting names shouldn't be allowed as racist names aren't, and things like in these snapshots deserve a ban.
5 month necro?
Once again, look up etymology. I fail to see how you clinging to an outdated meaning of the word is helping homosexuals. Let the insult turn into a generic curse just like "Bitch and "Cunt" and "Bastard". We don't ban people who throw them out as insults for being sexist. Personal feuds are already discouraged and muted when players start getting out of control. That's where the line is and about the extent of enforcement that you'll get.
5 month necro?
Once again, look up etymology. I fail to see how you clinging to an outdated meaning of the word is helping homosexuals. Let the insult turn into a generic curse just like "Bitch and "Cunt" and "Bastard". We don't ban people who throw them out as insults for being sexist. Personal feuds are already discouraged and muted when players start getting out of control. That's where the line is and about the extent of enforcement that you'll get.
No, it's a group effort. I assume this is CRPG HQ for the servers? You people are more than capable to own up to this. It's a real issue by the way.
Excellent word choice there.
Us heteros are softies. A gay guy's idea of a good time on Friday night, is your worst prison nightmare.
That's fucking hardcore.
Also, spartans who are represented by ATS essentially were brave, vicious, and engaged in gratuitous amounts of gay sex.
Just saying.
by ga(y)ATS essentially were brave, vicious, and engaged in gratuitous amounts of gay sex.:mrgreen:
Just saying.
A gay guy's idea of a good time on Friday night, is your worst prison nightmare.
Homophobia, racism, paedophilia, jokes about rape etc are unacceptable in real world.
When I tried to mention that online I got flamed for having no sense of humour and to grow up (I am actually embarrisingly old, took up online games when too old for rugby). One even claimed he was "roleplaying a homophobic rapist cos that was what they were like in medieval times", he was very impressed by his primary school debating skills, the utter pillock. All these sort of reponses show is their lack of any kind of perspective or empathy.
Plus I know a couple of gay rugby players who were amoungst the toughest guys I have ever met. Even rugby players are grown up enough to not give a crap if someones gay and they can be pretty bloody puerile.
Unfortunately the online community in general contains many idiots with pretty severe personality issues.
Well done to the guy for raising this thread.
gay is a way of expressing your love towards somebody else.
...Which is pedophilia, too.
Im not saying pedophilia is ok or on the same level as homosexuality, no, pedophilia is definately not ok while homosexuality is, but Pedophilia is beeing sexually attracted to children, and often enough, also to fall in "love" with them, as far as that is even possible.
Pedophilians mostly dont want to hurt children, and many of them even live a hermit- kind of life because they fear their own sexuality.
Most Sexual crimes against kids are commited by "normal" people, not pedophilians.
I think he was on your side, actually. Saying the rugby community is full of respect and his gay bros owned scrubs on the rugby field and no one ever said 'lol bundle of sticks'
Then he retired from rugby, started playing games, and didn't quite get why people ramble on and on with gay bashing shtick.
I do get it. Its because people are unfunny, unoriginal, and if they have nothing to say they just say "bundle of sticks"
Actual hate speech and stuff like that targeted at individuals for their percieved orientation and stuff like that is not and was never acceptable. What most people in this thread probably are thinking about is going "lol my old friend horse xbows are gay" and stuff like that. Which I admit while pretty dumb, are common turns of phrase and I wouldn't enforce that level of censorship. Just when people are trying to hurt others for no reason, whether it be crazy rants, hilarious "trolling" or whatever just report it to an admin.
Sadly threads like this are not the way to change peoples perspectives and opinions. Pretty much nothing would, anyways. Hell 1/3 of america still thinks Obama isn't even an american.. and over half think gay marriage should be outlawed. People hold views until the day they die because they lack empathy, and critical thinking skills to evaluate what they believe and how others actually feel when they share different perspectives. Oh well. Fuck them.
What most people in this thread probably are thinking about is going "lol my old friend horse xbows are gay" and stuff like that.
Every time you close your eyes, an imaginary gay man's imaginary penis rises from the murk, bowing ominously in your direction, sensing your discomfort. Laughing. Mocking. Possibly even winking. How dare they, this man and his penis? How dare they do this to you?
Obviously you can't fight the big gay penis in your head. It has no physical form, so you can't get a grip on it, much as you'd like to. You'd love to grab it and throttle it until it splutters its last. That might bring you closure.
This was worth several laughs.
I just want to say bravo to the OP for pointing this out.
I think we could all make a little effort and replace the words bundle of sticks by something else. Anyway, I see most of the player saying they are mature people, old etc, why using a 12 years old xbox gamer language then?
I just want to say bravo to the OP for pointing this out.
I think we could all make a little effort and replace the words bundle of sticks by something else. Anyway, I see most of the player saying they are mature people, old etc, why using a 12 years old xbox gamer language then?
sorry, if I was misunderstood (time to blame my English)
In my head, most of people using bundle of sticks just said that as I would say Idiot or jerk or cunt etc
I really achieve the same goal if I say '' oh those goddamn pike cunt'' instead of '' those goddamn my old friend piker''
but you are right, words don't really have a meaning, only the thinking behind those got one.
We can't do much about homo hater, but cRPG would be both more mature and creative without all those ''U SO my old friend!!'' in chat...
oh god... I'm so unclear... bah I think the message pass anyway...
In my head, most of people using bundle of sticks just said that as I would say cunt etc
Oh. So its not okay to say bundle of sticks because it is being homophobic, but you can be sexist and say cunt all you want? Bitch! Oh wait.....that one is both homophobic AND sexist. :lol:
people dont use cunt as a sexist insult outside america.
Same goes for bundle of sticks lol.Do you mean bundle of sticks as a homophobic insult? I'm afraid you are mistaken it is still used as a homophobic insult in England.
Oh. So its not okay to say bundle of sticks because it is being homophobic, but you can be sexist and say cunt all you want? Bitch! Oh wait.....that one is both homophobic AND sexist. :lol:
while it is unfortunate - most people (as has been mentioned) use my old friend and the like to basically just cuss. It really has ZERO connection with homosexuals at this point. 9 out of 10 people saying "my old friend" mean no actual harm or bias to homosexuals and if asked if they had problems with homosexuals would say "no".
again, its unfortunate but i would just say try not to get upset over it by remembering its not ACTUALLY a slander upon the gay community.
Yeah, we need to pick one someone anyways, people will always need to pick on someone.
Hey if anyone is gay here? how is it like being gay? what foods do you eat? sorry I'm very interested in gays because they sort of defeat the purpose of humanity.
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Just for historical reference...Huh? The article you quote says that this isn't the derivation...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/bundle of sticks
"Death by burning, metonymically referred to by the bundle of stickss which fuel the fire."
That is to say, gay people were burned in the same pyres as witches, and called bundle of stickss because they fueled the fire as well as the actual bundle of stickss (bundles of sticks) that they used to start said fires. Not looking for flames (bad pun), just saying, if you're wondering who applied the phrase to gay people, it was likely peasant who thought they were being clever.
Yeah, we need to pick one someone anyways, people will always need to pick on someone.
Hey if anyone is gay here? how is it like being gay? what foods do you eat? sorry I'm very interested in gays because they sort of defeat the purpose of humanity.
Its actually quite a valid question, in a way, its a general given that the purpose of a specie is to reproduce itself to sustain itself, but wars, crime, infanticide, genocide, chemicals, mutilation, radiation kinda defeats that purpose, doesn't it?
That always puzzled me.
Yeah, we need to pick one someone anyways, people will always need to pick on someone.Why haven't you propagated 50 times yet?
Hey if anyone is gay here? how is it like being gay? what foods do you eat? sorry I'm very interested in gays because they sort of defeat the purpose of humanity.
Its actually quite a valid question, in a way, its a general given that the purpose of a specie is to reproduce itself to sustain itself, but wars, crime, infanticide, genocide, chemicals, mutilation, radiation kinda defeats that purpose, doesn't it?
That always puzzled me.
medical advances have led to higher birth rates in nations across the world then any other time in history
what this leads to is nothing but extremely awful results for the environment, and society
developing nations are crippled with an ever expanding lower class of disenfranchised people. people can actually get born without dying in the first six months of life and the mother's tend to die less due to biotics, sanitation, e
In order to fix this issue we should do the same people did IRL, to establish annual pride parade event.
Why cant blacks/mexicans/arabs/asians be normal? it would avoid so much conflict and i wouldnt even be banned from cRPG right now -.-
Why cant homos be normal? it would avoid so much conflict and i wouldnt even be banned from cRPG right now -.-
The problem you don't get, if you aren't trolling, is that gay people are completely normal. They just have a different sexual preference. Their personalities, IQs, morals, capability of living a fulfilling life. None of that is any different from a heterosexual person. They just have the capacity to love people of the same gender as part of their personality. If you are a sincere homophobe, which you certainly seem like you are, I doubt anything is gonna change your mind. So you should go suck a dick. I bet you'd enjoy it.Fulfilling life is giving back what you took, your parents gave you life (like every other species on this plant) so why can't you give life to someone else because if no one made children then no human would be alive right now.
edit: I really don't think he's trolling. Neither are the NH guys. People legitimately have these views and think everyone else are the wrong ones.
Fulfilling life is giving back what you took, your parents gave you life (like every other species on this plant) so why can't you give life to someone else because if no one made children then no human would be alive right now.
Hence why humanity rocks in mass effect.Haven't played the game, but are there any gays in it?
Haven't played the game, but are there any gays in it?There can be for you.
Haven't played the game, but are there any gays in it?
I dunno, but you can survey rocks until your dick explodes.
That said, what the fuck, why does this thread have to be so big? Why not just come up with a better insult than 'my old friend' or 'bundle of sticks'? It's wicked overused, and, hell, even I'm reviewing my stance on the use of the words. Thirteen pages should be enough to convince people to start using better insults, you fucking groundmunching fucksacks.
Shutup my old friend.
Crazy people. So many people are like a bucket of crabs.
Does anybody know that story?
Get a bucket and put a whole bunch of crabs in there. You will notice that the crabs on the top will start to climb out but just as they reach their pinchers up and grab on starting to pull themselves out, the crabs beneath them will pinch on and pull them back in. If they would work together, they could all get out of that bucket. Maybe one day we will be less like crabs and more like thinking individuals.