I think, with new upkeep system you will not be able to have huge armies, so after you capture all villages on your claims, you will accumulate money and big wars between factions will be with medium equipment and horses.
ehhh guys
its like the first days of strategus, what do you expect, knight armies?
ehhh guys
its like the first days of strategus, what do you expect, knight armies?
By this time last strategus every village was taken, most clans had a couple thousands troops, and several wars had popped off.
So far this strategus there have been a couple peasant-on-peasant village fights and thats it.
Darn you peopple saying that month is long time, for a thing like strategus, month is just the beginning. How would u imagine the game and its economy system to ever last if everything would be aquired in a month?I would assume it would work like last Strategus which was rather fun, and the economy was running with few complaints (the biggest being that castles didn't really have a strong economical use).
I would assume it would work like last Strategus which was rather fun, and the economy was running with few complaints (the biggest being that castles didn't really have a strong economical use).are you serious?
are you serious?Damn, you got me.
Darn you peopple saying that month is long time, for a thing like strategus, month is just the beginning. How would u imagine the game and its economy system to ever last if everything would be aquired in a month?
Like Buba said, we have a fair few discounts on the top horses at a champion level. Still bloody expensive though even for rounceys. I'd say it was a bit to high. I can imagine most clans ect won't bother with horses now. Including buying them from us Buba :P
I'd definitely say lower the cost a tad. It has to be still expensive, but not quite so cripplingly expensive.
yeah, we were looking at champion coursers ata discount and the amount of money to buy 5 horses for a 1000 man army is enough to provide weapons for 500 troops. Its a bit ludicrous how extreme its become. If they didnt want us using mid-tier gear, okay, but permanent peasant gear is boring because it encourages fewer battles as the upkeep alone for 1000 troops eats up the equivalent of armor and weapons for 250 troops just to get to where the battle needs to go with another 250 equivalent in the 24 hour wait.
It wasn't really unbalanced in strat 2.0 where we did need to conserve our horses, which were far and away almost all rounceys, as we could only afford so many of them with the armor, weapons for a cavalry rider. Buying horses now is retarded as you cant afford the armor that would stop any enemy from just shooting the rider and stealing the horse - which means you just payed a shitload to give the enemy a horse.
Same goes for sieges where the equipment to build a catapult is the equivalent of arms and armor for 1000 TROOPS!!! There wasnt any severe unbalance before, but now there are huge imbalances. Don't really get whats going through the balancing team's head. Strategus so far has been incredibly boring (unless you are one of those guys who can play for hours a lame stock trading game).
What weapons are you equipping your poor 500 soldiers with?!?! Sticks?!?
Peasant gear like everyone else - cudgels, tridents, falchions, and sparingly of practice longswords, scythes, and nomad sabres
Look at the price difference between these items and a rouncey + lance or even a 48% discount champion courser (which we can do but even more expensive than just buying a rouncey), let alone decent armor and shield so the rider doesn't die immediately with one of our few precious horses and give the horse to the enemy. Or we can manufacture 10 discounted MW horn bows for the equivalent of 1 rouncey+lance. Hmmmmm, which makes more sense??
Nah cav isn't just cost effective. Price of 10 destriers cav (the first horse that doesn't instantly dies under arrows spam)Bzzzt. Bear in mind that any archers at this point are using short bows and arrows, not long bows and bodkins. You might be surprised how long a Rouncy lasts. You can't use battle servers as a basis for information at this point.
Bzzzt. Bear in mind that any archers at this point are using short bows and arrows, not long bows and bodkins. You might be surprised how long a Rouncy lasts. You can't use battle servers as a basis for information at this point.
We are about a month in you realize right???? and the planned wipe and switchover to new maps and changed features is 6-8 months in (at least cahdz posted that)??
I don't know about you, but we're using masterwork hornbows.
Last strat I remember seeing LLJK running around in full plate and plated chargers funny shit.
No. Only one person had a plated charger and there were only a couple. None of us ever had full plate. Saranid padded was our main gear except for some weeaboo armor your clan so happily donated to us. Keep exaggerating though.
We didn't use any Weeaboo gear last strat. Also - the majority of your folk charging at us in full plate with a fine collection of plated chargers. You know when you came and took us up the rear? :lol:Lies. Obvious lies xD That you really don't know you used strange armour last round of strat is just hilarious xD
We had no gear to fight with and I managed to slay one of your cavalry men whom just luckily dropped their heavy lance to which I slade their horse and them. A cheer roared in teamspeak that day, I shall never forget. It brings a tear to my eye. An accolade worthy of an Ironcross!
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Lies. Obvious lies xD That you really don't know you used strange armour last round of strat is just hilarious xD
FCC had a full army in Full Plate, no jokes.
Well maybe when we were Shogunate. But not while we were Byzantium. I never saw any at least, though mind I did come in late strat.
FCC had a full army in Full Plate, no jokes.
He did? Where? Kesh, do you mind sharing link or something???
This Strat has potential for more than 6 months for sure...
Gold is that expensive because people are supposed to craft & trade weapons. If that's not working, it's a problem with the crafting, not with the item prices :P
You do know how they got the full plate right and it had nothing to do with gold spent?
Yeah no, we never had full plate when you were in Acre and were destroyed. We never had full plate when we fought Shogunate. We never had full plate when we fought Byzantium. We never had full plate at any point. Only Gaga really used plated chargers with regularity, Smoothrich and the rest of the cav preferred other mounts. In other words, you are dumb. You had equal gear to us in the last major siege of our war with Byzantium when we took whatever village that was. Stop trying to lie and embellish on what happened last strat.
Back on topic: Agree with Kesh completely, gold nerf was too extreme.
Gold is that expensive because people are supposed to craft & trade weapons. If that's not working, it's a problem with the crafting, not with the item prices :P
Gold is that expensive because people are supposed to craft & trade weapons. If that's not working, it's a problem with the crafting, not with the item prices :PSo you're essentially saying there's a problem with crafting. Might I suggest a far more transparent system of gaining smithing skills (even for people over level 30) so people can actually make decent progress. You might be surprised how much "it happens based on a variable" doesn't help anybody. Actually, even if you told us how to get smithing skills in the most efficient way possible, they're still ridiculously underpowered.
I hate the randomness of the crafting skill. I ride my champ courser 24/7, yet it's one of my lowest crafting discounts. Even my Kazakh armour is above it which I've only been using for a few weeks. My steppe armour is also above it.You think you have it bad? I've only gotten the message ONCE, without being over a long time lvl 31+.... back when I was pure polecav... when I was in eu3.... taking a screenshot.... of lol-gear.... FUCK ME!
I think you should be able to select which item get's the bonus. Then people wouldn't end up with discounts on entirely useless things which only cost 2 gold to buy in the first place.
Gold is that expensive because people are supposed to craft & trade weapons. If that's not working, it's a problem with the crafting, not with the item prices :P
I'm pretty sure that chadz text works in the following way... When you get ATHW:
+3 smithing skill to all items you've got equipped at the time.
-1 smithing skill to all items you don't have equipped. (I'm not sure if it's -1 exactly).
So this means that your smithing skill is biased toward items you've been using recently, not necessarily items that you've used a lot over your entire career. If you've been running infantry or another horse recently, then your champion courser smith skill will have taken a hit.
As an example, since the Deli Cap came out, I eschewed my normal equipment load-out for a joke one, with a deli cap and a dark cavalry robe. As a result, I now 9 smith skill in my joke loadout, but only 1 or 2 smith skill in the serious loadout I had been using consistently before. I'm now level 31 and I hadn't planned on retiring this generation as my build is only really complete at level 32. However, this now means that my crafting skills are complete bogus.
Can we get a crafting system that works on something besides random chance? Last time I retired, I got the message at level 4. Why would I want that message at level 4? ALL of my useful crafts were lowered.
its been 2 weeks now and no horses in strategus still! :((
its been 2 weeks now and no horses in strategus still! :((
New annoyance. Received the message today, but when I'd been shot from my horse. The crafting bonus didn't apply to my horse and so it lowered the skill even more because I wasn't riding it at that moment. In my opinion this is a major flaw as cav fairly often gets dehorsed. Why does the skill not to apply to your starting inventory? Rather than what you have on you at that exact moment.
In the case of horses, this will make it a lot harder to receive the bonus. It certainly won't effect any other class as much.
If we could just CHOOSE what we want our crafting skill to focus on, that would be great. Random chance makes no sense. It's just frustrating.
Its good that cav is nullified, we shouldn't see cav till VERYYYY late game, Its a luxury not a necessity.
Fielding a heavily armored warhorse with a dude in full plate on top should be difficult.
Fielding a dude in a padded jacket with a pointy stick on a rouncey should not.
Why?
People have been riding horses for centuries. Its not like no one used them until they reached some sort of arbitrary economic point then decided to gather the horses and start riding them. They're a natural resource and even some of the poorest civilizations in history still rode horses at least occasionally.
Fielding a heavily armored warhorse with a dude in full plate on top should be difficult.
Fielding a dude in a padded jacket with a pointy stick on a rouncey should not.
Why?
People have been riding horses for centuries. Its not like no one used them until they reached some sort of arbitrary economic point then decided to gather the horses and start riding them. They're a natural resource and even some of the poorest civilizations in history still rode horses at least occasionally.
Fielding a heavily armored warhorse with a dude in full plate on top should be difficult.
Fielding a dude in a padded jacket with a pointy stick on a rouncey should not.
People have been riding horses for centuries. Its not like no one used them until they reached some sort of arbitrary economic point then decided to gather the horses and start riding them. They're a natural resource and even some of the poorest civilizations in history still rode horses at least occasionally.Excluding North America, which ironically, I believe is the continent you live in.
Excluding North America, which ironically, I believe is the continent you live in.
While I agree the massive gold nerf and new item prices are ridiculous, I have to remind you that the dev team won't give a damn about realism with balance is involved in the slightest fashion (even when it's a major imbalance), let alone realism that isn't accurate.
Excluding North America, which ironically, I believe is the continent you live in.
that's not ironyWhile I use ironically incorrectly all the time, this time it was rather accurately used. You would have thought that if a place existed where horses weren't utilitzed for a while, then as an inhabitant of that area, he would be more likely to know of it rather than if he didn't come from such an area. But in the end, he didn't know of it.
While I use ironically incorrectly all the time, this time it was rather accurately used. You would have thought that if a place existed where horses weren't utilitzed for a while, then as an inhabitant of that area, he would be more likely to know of it rather than if he didn't come from such an area. But in the end, he didn't know of it.
However, I guess it isn't irony if he isn't actually from North America.
Also, I thought that was pretty self-evident. How did you translate this to where you didn't see it fitting the definition of irony?
While I use ironically incorrectly all the time, this time it was rather accurately used. You would have thought that if a place existed where horses weren't utilitzed for a while, then as an inhabitant of that area, he would be more likely to know of it rather than if he didn't come from such an area. But in the end, he didn't know of it.
However, I guess it isn't irony if he isn't actually from North America.
Also, I thought that was pretty self-evident. How did you translate this to where you didn't see it fitting the definition of irony?
Fielding a dude in a padded jacket with a pointy stick on a rouncey should not.Rouncey?
Rouncey?
You should see Stumpers first, Last strat when did you see a stumper? Other than troll battles (Yes LLJK, Most of yours).
I want to see a dude with a boar spear stumper and nomad vest, not suddenly Mail Riding Rounceys.
Sumpters are useless, boar spears for cavalry are useless. Much better to just buy a scythe for way less gold.Let's see:
Last strat when did you see a stumper? Other than troll battles (Yes LLJK, Most of yours).Any LLJK general who bought Sumpters for any reason would be hunted down and crucified IRL.
What is more ironic is that a game called Mount & Blade has a strong anti-horse lobby among its players.
Pfft...that's what you think. Our production of rounceys is at an all time high...
We now may be able to equip each of our members for one horse each in a village fight! It's only taken us a few weeks :evil:
Too bad rounceys die in 2-3 arrows and anyone with a scythe can stop one.