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Title: What to do about TKers?
Post by: nuffen on September 07, 2011, 09:24:56 am: Hi
Im curious if the players of c-rpg have changed their attitude over time. I'm therefore relaunching the vote that I made back in marsh. What to do about TKers?

If anyones interested, the old poll is here:
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,2760.msg47749.html#msg47749
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Tungsten on September 07, 2011, 09:41:03 am: Repeat, intentional tkers -> ban

Someone rage tking -> kick

Accidental TK (Lolcher/xbowmy old friend/thrower/spammer) -> eh.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Tindel on September 07, 2011, 10:46:26 am: If the admin saw the whole thing = perm ban

Let him write an explanation on forums before lifting it (if ever)
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Smoothrich on September 07, 2011, 01:30:15 pm: Warn -> Kick -> Ban

Sometimes the kick can be the warning depending on if an Admin saw it or the player was being particularly douchey/is known as a troll
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: RandomDude on September 07, 2011, 01:37:35 pm: If i saw that happen then it would be somewhere between a kick (if i possibly thought they were new and didnt know what they were doing/who was on their team etc) and a 1hr - 1 day ban
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: marco1391 on September 07, 2011, 01:45:47 pm: 3-4 days ban imo, however this is for this particular situation, for a swing without being provoked at you that kills you it should be 1 day/half day(still imo)
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: gazda on September 07, 2011, 01:46:02 pm: You are really so desperate? you wanna be admin so bad? You have problems...
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on September 07, 2011, 02:07:30 pm: but nuffen, you are no longer an admin :cry:

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Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Ganner on September 07, 2011, 02:19:00 pm: Accidental TK = nonissue. Provoked Intentional TK = warning (someone getting mad over an accidental TW or team horse kill, it happens everyone rages every once in a while). Unprovoked intetional TK = immediate kick as a warning.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Phazey on September 07, 2011, 02:31:23 pm: You are at spawn, 2 sec later a new guy spawns on your team,you've never seen him before. He starts attacking you unprovoked. After 3 swings with his giant axe he crushes your shield, and then he kills you with 2 swings. The admin should:

Tell the guy not to teamkill in pink text and kick him. If he comes back on and continues teamkilling: ban.

Two things jump out at me in the above scenario:
1) You've never seen him before.
And
2) He's wielding a giant axe.

1) Suggests it might be a new player unfamiliar with the rules or possibly confused.
But!
2) Suggests he's been playing long enough that he should know.

I'm against instantly perma banning the guy. You never know what exactly happened. For example:
I've had a (rare) graphics bug (due to ati crossfire) where some random textures in the game did not load. Usually a few walls or other objects, sometimes the sky texture or some textures on players, like hair or a weapon and on a few occasions the banner above a teammate!

So i spawned and i see my teammates but ONE teammate has no banner above his head and for some reason he has no hair or helmet. I alt-entered twice and voilà: the banner appears above that teammate.

I could imagine the axe wielding teamkiller spawned in late, suffered from the rare graphics bug where that one teammate did not have a banner above his head, didn't realize it was a teammate and thus killed him even though he didn't fight back.

If the guy then immediately apologized in chat, explained that for some reason the banner wasn't visible and he thought him to be an enemy... well then an instant perma ban would be wrong, wouldn't it?

So admins should talk first and be careful with their assumptions. Getting unjustly banned can ruin the game for you. I would hate it if that would happen. And with all the bans we do, it's quite possible.

Therefore, it is my opinion that admins should always warn first, kick next and ban only if we're very sure it's on purpose.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Corwin on September 07, 2011, 02:46:17 pm: 1hr ban if the admin saw it all, and if he is sure what happened, max. If repeated, harsher punishment.

On the other hand, what you would do in time when you were admin, would be nothing. Then, after being TKd for four rounds, the guy in question would go berserk and revenge TK the attacker. Here you would react, and banned this guy for a week. Then you would argue about how you were right on forum, because revenge TKs are forbidden. Also, you would probably lie regarding what happened and accuse the banned person for all sort of things.
If someone would initiate a poll for removal of your admin powers, you would open couple of threads on forum about it, where you would post pictures of cute kittens and accuse everyone of a conspiracy.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: nuffen on September 07, 2011, 02:48:37 pm: I see that a couple of people think that only admins got the right to have an opinion about this. Ignore them, they are wrong. :)
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: DKriza on September 07, 2011, 03:54:55 pm: I cant understand this polls options (unless it was trolling :oops:), or people that would only kick or warn the attacker.
Attacking someone at spawn means that that action is deliberate and there cant be confusion about banner bug or missing textures. :?:
I have voted for a week ban, but it was close to permanent.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Huey Newton on September 07, 2011, 04:17:59 pm: What happens if u tk alot on accident
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: IG_Saint on September 07, 2011, 04:26:12 pm: I would try and warn while it's happening, putting myself inbetween them if I'm alive. If dead I'll look to see how the attacker reacts after the kill. If he just stands there looking at the corpse, he's probably typing something along the line of "OMG you didn't have a banner! :O". If he immediately walks off I'd give him a three day ban. I really don't see the point in going easy on people ruining other people's fun. If he makes a reasonable unban post and doesn't have a history, I'd probably reduce the ban to 1 day.

Quote from: Phazey on September 07, 2011, 02:31:23 pm
Getting unjustly banned can ruin the game for you.

Getting intentionally TKed can just as easy ruin the game. Anyone who intentionally TKs has probably done it before and will do it again. A warning or kick won't change that. The offender will just switch server or stop doing it while the admin is on the server, a temporary fix at best. Banning him for a couple of days will hopefully make him think twice about doing it again.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Xant on September 07, 2011, 04:29:11 pm: Quote from: IG_Saint on September 07, 2011, 04:26:12 pm
I would try and warn while it's happening, putting myself inbetween them if I'm alive.

You sir, are a noble gentleman, risking bodily harm to yourself in order to protect the innocent.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Vrael on September 07, 2011, 04:48:15 pm: I would warn him first.

When I played Siege last week, I saw several guys running around with no flags at their head around the castle. I attack them and kill one of them. Then someone want to pollban me for tk. So I understand that 1/3 of the enemies I saw were teammates.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Teeth on September 07, 2011, 04:59:53 pm: Zero tolerance to tking right after spawn. Even if its a new guy, if he starts killing the first thing he sees after spawn, you probably dont want him playing this mod. 3 day ban!
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 07, 2011, 06:20:11 pm: The admin should ban the guy who got tked for starting the fight.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Corrado_Decimo on September 07, 2011, 07:22:00 pm: Quote
He should not ban the TKer because the TKer is in a major clan that will retaliate against the admin for months.

i see something sparkling... tears maybe?

anyway imo the right action would be:

Quote
Kicking the TKer as a warning

so if the TKer have a banner sprite error, will come back to the server to state his reasons behind the repeatedly TH leading to TK and will be resolved without too much hatred.

if the TKer don't come back, well the truth will be pretty clear.

if the Tker come back and start teamattacking, offending, cursing, then probably the second kick + 30mins ban should be the best bet.

there should be no mercy about reckless griefers tho.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Phazey on September 07, 2011, 07:57:22 pm: Quote from: Phazey on September 07, 2011, 02:31:23 pm
Getting unjustly banned can ruin the game for you.
Quote from: IG_Saint on September 07, 2011, 04:26:12 pm
Getting intentionally TKed can just as easy ruin the game.

I disagree. If you can't handle getting tk'd once in a blue moon, don't play cRPG. I'm not condoning intentional teamkills here, just saying that getting unjustly banned is much, much worse than having to wait a few minutes until the next round starts.

That's how i see it anyway. I can't imagine the game being permanently ruined because some clueless noob starts hacking at you at spawn once or twice in the many months you play cRPG...

But i'll promise you, once you get banned without a good reason... that can really ruin the game for you. Because you'll be in fear of the next seemingly random ban for as long as you play the game.

Unjust ban > occasional teamkill.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Kifli on September 08, 2011, 01:00:32 am: well there clearly are a problem some people went mad and start tk all the team (hapens 2 times to me and that people still playing ) and there are much larger number of people who ocasinally tk for fun or camp some archers palase and tk them all the tame ( very usual ) and stuff like that (team hitting killing whit nasty methods ). My opinion they just deserver a ban they dont play the are here just 4 f*** other people who whant play so show them the exit .
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Scorpinox on September 08, 2011, 05:45:39 am: I don't mind when some excited newbie hacks my face open because he thought a different type of banner meant enemy. I don't care when a tank is cutting down 3 enemies and I have my shield (or innards) destroyed by the swing around of his Flamberge, but when TKing is intentional and people are just using it to be annoying thats when something needs to be done.
(I'd like to point out that, this is not my way of trying to get the player in this example in shit or me seeking personal vengeance and whining over one intentional TK. I simply happen to have the evidence to prove my example of how irritating intentional TKers are.)

Having recently started a new build, I relived the peasant phase and am now in the substandard gear phase. Lately I've had my share of mouthpiece TKer's intentionally killing me and not apologizing, or bragging about it, and when questioned by admins their friends deny any wrong doing. It's irritating that this seems to have to be part of the game, I'm no forum troll and I'm not wanting to be a shit-disturber as mentioned before but I took some screenshots of how a typical intentional TKer behaves. I was in-game with a player today, who personifies the type of TKer who plays the game not to have their own fun but to wreck other peoples.

In my experience this is usually how dealing with an intentional TKer works out when admins are not on and true to form is again how it played out this time. Tell me if it sounds familiar?

Standing on a crowded siege tower with only teammates, the offending player was spamming around with a maul hitting teammates. I was one of a few who got bonked and he knocked half my life off. In teamchat I told him to "fuck off" I'm polite to others but when people are being moronic I will not likely be polite about what I say. So, obviously he crushes my level nothing swordsman with an overhand stroke and LOL's as is intentional TK protocol it seems. I did not get a shot of him killing me but I did get a shot of him admitting it.

In teamchat I told my team he was spamming recklessly and TK'ed me on purpose to let people know to keep an eye out. He admitted to intentionally TKing as if the rules do not apply to him and nothing was said or done as there was no admin and anything said or done would simply have exacerbated the situation.

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So immediately after he decided to spam me for as long as he can saying I'm a leecher, even though I'm participating

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That particular round ends and once the next is rolling, as usual by this time you're done with being irritated and just want to get back into the game and have forgotten the annoying Tker. Not long into the round he TK's another player (intentionally or not I'm unaware)

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I tell him to apologize for his TK several times and he stays silent. (Which is a welcome change as this step usually involves further spam from the TKer. Overused lame internet jokes, a homosexually slanderous slur or a racist epithet which generally continues to show how much of a bigoted moron the player is.)

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Before he TKed another player and was again, a twat; I felt that actually posting the screen shots I've taken so far would just be a pain in my own ass and lead to nowhere. Then I saw this thread and decided to put them up.

I agree that banning for intentional TK is a bit excessive. If it lands on an innocent player one could see how it may easily ruin the mod; for new or experienced players. I apologize for the lengthily post with all the screens but I had 'em and saw this post so I figured I'd see if anyone agreed with my little example. This is in no way a complaint or a dig against the admins, or the particular TKer from my example.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Dach on September 08, 2011, 06:33:29 am: Clear blatant intentional TK = kick

He come back and do it again = ban for 3 days

I don't know why some admin still keep on warning before kicking people, when 99% of the time the troll clearly know what he's doing wrong... for the 1% left...

"Ignorance of the law excuses no one"

You can't read, I don't care either... you get kicked!

That would be my kind of admin reaction! :)
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Tanken on September 08, 2011, 07:14:39 am: I think it should be like Call of Duty. They TK within the first 30 seconds, it auto kills them instead of you.

Would love to see that as a mod fix.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Panoply on September 08, 2011, 07:34:13 am: He should mute the TKer.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Fartface on September 08, 2011, 08:18:12 am: like my best fuckin solution to this is just make any teamhits aply to the attacker so the damage is reflected back at him.
the problem is there are so many downsides to this.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Leesin on September 08, 2011, 10:21:59 am: I chose kick for a warning, it gets the message across better. Though can you see peoples ID's or whatever before you kick them?, because someone is capable of just making a new name, rejoining and doing the exact same thing. It's hard to spot when you got a full server.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Xant on September 08, 2011, 10:32:10 am: Quote from: george on September 08, 2011, 08:18:12 am
like my best fuckin solution to this is just make any teamhits aply to the attacker so the damage is reflected back at him.
the problem is there are so many downsides to this.

Nice best solution there.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Peasant_Woman on September 08, 2011, 10:38:58 am: Reflective damage is unrealistic and immersion breaking though. It gets really silly when a crossbowman hits a team mate and oneshots himself, or a cav couches a team mate has a heart attack and falls off his horse dead, it just looks bad.

If a player intentionally TK's / TK's many times in a single game without saying sorry at all then an admin should just say 'I'm kicking you 'player_name' as a warning for teamkilling which is against the rules. When/if you come back be more careful or cry badmin on the forums if you think this rule is unfair.'
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: The_Angle on September 08, 2011, 10:39:26 am: Quote
He should not ban the TKer because the TKer is in a major clan that will retaliate against the admin for months.
Crymoar. You fail troll.

Otherwise is there a 'do fuck all' part that we can all tick? Because this is a stupid question, they should only be warned, and I think most Admins have decent enough judgement to handle non-deliberate accidents efficiently. (Some... some if not most... though there is this just one guy...) :lol:

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Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Chasey on September 08, 2011, 01:32:39 pm: i dont get what the difference is between kicking somebody as a punishment or as a warning , there the exact same thing and end in the same result, a kick. Those votes should be added into 1
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Buffalo on September 08, 2011, 01:48:09 pm: Quote from: Tindel on September 07, 2011, 10:46:26 am
If the admin saw the whole thing = perm ban

Let him write an explanation on forums before lifting it (if ever)

Tindel, I have seen you repeatetly tk'ing people when no enamies around, so be carefull what you wish for ;-)
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Patoson on September 08, 2011, 02:28:49 pm: I believe admins know how to do their job; otherwise they wouldn't be admins (like your case). I think common sense dictates to one's self to kick the team-killer, and ban him if he reiterates. Nevertheless, I would rather follow the penultimate vote.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Corrado_Decimo on September 08, 2011, 02:50:18 pm: Quote from: george on September 08, 2011, 08:18:12 am
like my best fuckin solution to this is just make any teamhits aply to the attacker so the damage is reflected back at him.
the problem is there are so many downsides to this.

i disagree. we just need a "karma" system like some native servers. you TK too much, (2-3 times per round) you get autokicked by server. you join again, another 3-4 tks and you get autobanned for 1hour.

admins do know their job of course. but admins are not online every second (obviously) so an automatic system for lesser infamous servers would be cool.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Tindel on September 08, 2011, 03:54:37 pm: Quote from: Buffalo on September 08, 2011, 01:48:09 pm
Tindel, I have seen you repeatetly tk'ing people when no enamies around, so be carefull what you wish for ;-)

haha
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Prpavi on September 08, 2011, 03:57:16 pm: What do you do Nuffen u ask?

First you warn, than you kick, than you ban.

case closed.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Reinhardt on September 08, 2011, 04:17:53 pm: I think if the admin sees taht the TKer is a troll, obviously started the killing without having anything done to him, he should be banned for one hour. Done. After that, he does it again within the next day or so, 3 day ban.

Some assholes need not be playing, and until the admins actually do something about TKers or douchebags, we'll have MANY a good player leaving this "community".
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: nuffen on September 08, 2011, 04:34:30 pm: Quote from: Chasey on September 08, 2011, 01:32:39 pm
i dont get what the difference is between kicking somebody as a punishment or as a warning , there the exact same thing and end in the same result, a kick. Those votes should be added into 1

Its interested if people see the kick as a warning or a punishment, thats all. I trust everyone who read the poll got the brainpower to pull those two together when considering how many who wants a kick as a reaction.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: highglandeur on September 08, 2011, 04:56:20 pm: Situation at 194 voters:
40% of the voters asking for a simple warning or a kick, 65% of them asking for a kick
53% of the voters asking for a ban, 50% of them asking for a 1/2 day ban only.

The interesting message about your poll is that 80% of the people asking for a kick prefer seeing it as a warning than a punishment, that should have a lot of meaning for admins.

The rest was a bit bit predictable, i mean 43% kicks / 57% bans (not counting the 11 clear trolls), because the offense you defined is too rare and too serious to give your poll a real meaning mate.
The guy is not joking or taking revenge, but really trying to tk around for no reason apparently, this doesn't happen much.
Also that part of the question: "...new guy spawns on your team,you've never seen him before...", makes it a rare case.

Most tk i see are spammers being careless (like me), then quite a few revenge and retaliation and anger from chat bullshit pple throw at each other, and ofc some trolling mate, not much of the kind you described there. You implied a harsh answer from voters in your question.

Most of them, it's true, didn't advise the kick, but only because this kind of offense is very rare and serious.

In all other cases I would prefer a kick if its the first time you see the offender behave that way, but if its not the first time at all, i would agree with 24H ban as a warning this kind of behavior is really offensive to other players and can't be tolerated.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: highglandeur on September 08, 2011, 05:05:46 pm: sorry i didnt look much previous posts.
yes man warning and not punishment, very important point there. Let's all discuss it.

It is making the distinction between not tolerating severe offenses on your server, and punishing those who break your rules.
I know it seems the same but it's not, it will affect the way you will admin.

Remember, being admin is not about punishing the offenders or enforcing the rules like a psycho to "educate those stupid trolls", it's about not tolerating excessive disturbing behavior and giving everyone a good place to play together, no more, no less.

A little example with offensive nicknames:
For offensive nicknames tell the guy to apply for namechange, if he says hes gonna change his nick then do nothing, except if the name is very offensive or if you see him again with that name. Then tell him to do a namechange, how to do it, and ask him to leave the serv or you will kick him, tell him he can play with an alt char with another nick in the meantime. You will not punish him for choosing a bad name, you will kick those who don't cooperate because offensive nicks are not tolerated on the server.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on September 08, 2011, 05:13:03 pm: Quote
Warn -> Kick -> Ban

This. It is the magic formula.

An effort should always be made to talk to the people involved before our brave, fucking hero takes up the Banhammer of Righteousness and, with much candor, begins beating the living fun out of somebody. Our "hero" in this case being anybody either a) an admin (real or hypothetical) or b) one of the people who read the initial post, and then visualized themselves as an admin responding to the situation in their own, special way, meting out internet justice.

But none of this really matters, so...
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: highglandeur on September 08, 2011, 05:17:04 pm: yes man talk but use that girlish pink as less as possible, only to warn ban is coming...
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: highglandeur on September 08, 2011, 05:18:23 pm: and yeh, who cares?
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Teeth on September 08, 2011, 05:37:44 pm: Gash you people are awfully mild. So I can deliberately tk someone twice and continue playing according to all the warn-kick-ban people? No wonder the servers are a mess.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: highglandeur on September 08, 2011, 05:40:47 pm: teeth doesn't like your poetry Joe, should he get ban for being rude to beauty?
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: highglandeur on September 08, 2011, 05:47:23 pm: didn't mean to piss you off teeth, what can I say, no system is perferct...
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Cicero on September 08, 2011, 05:51:49 pm: 4 - 7 days enough to understand that tk is not good =)
Otherwise http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,14897.0.html 1 day isnt enough they are still making tks on us
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 08, 2011, 06:16:19 pm: Realistically if I witnessed it then I would warn the guy and give a kick. If the guy was someone that I know is a veteran of cRPG or has done this before, then I would give a 3 day ban, with an additional 3 day length if a repeat offender (for every repeat offense I usually stack an additional 3 days).

If I did not witness it, then I would issue a general warning to the public "No team killing" and then spectate the guy. Though then again, if this happened literally right out of spawn then I would know that this could not possibly be an accident, and would still issue the warning and kick.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: highglandeur on September 08, 2011, 10:41:23 pm: The winner is "Kick as a warning", make better polls if you wanna prove people want admins to ban.
The people have spoken, they want the kick(or warn ok...pff fucking pink text)-kick-ban aava hakas*' method!!!!!!
(*guidelines available on forum free of charge)
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Magikarp on September 08, 2011, 10:47:21 pm: I'd say assess the situation first: warn the guy, try to find out why he tked. Kick him if necessary.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: nuffen on September 08, 2011, 10:52:14 pm: Quote from: highglandeur on September 08, 2011, 10:41:23 pm
The winner is "Kick as a warning", make better polls if you wanna prove people want admins to ban.
The people have spoken, they want the kick(or warn ok...pff fucking pink text)-kick-ban aava hakas*' method!!!!!!
(*guidelines available on forum free of charge)

o.O
Winner?
At the moment 54,7% says ban in some form (1h to perm), while 39,6% want a kick or some kind of written warning. I think your reading the numbers as you want em, not as they are.

The polls was not made to prove anything, they were made because, _as I wrote in the beginning_, I wanted to see if peoples attitude to this had changed from last poll, in March (which was more 50/50). The situation descibed is a bad one, where there is no question of quilt, so its like a poll on the maximum reaction on a first time offend-poll. From what I can read, if the admins should listen to the "the people", the max punishment for this act of griefing would be 1h or 1d. Today, most of the admins operate with a warning in pink written text and/or a kick as warning, but in very bad cases, this is increased. From what I can see, the admins goes a little bit softer than what the community want, but not a lot.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: highglandeur on September 08, 2011, 10:54:07 pm: awright mate, a few days ago thomek banned a leecher for seven days is that soft enough for ya?
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 08, 2011, 10:55:00 pm: Quote from: highglandeur on September 08, 2011, 10:54:07 pm
awright mate, a few days ago thomek banned a leecher for seven days is that soft enough for ya?

Exception not the rule!
We usually give out buttloads of warnings... metric buttloads.

Besides, he said Most not All.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Magikarp on September 08, 2011, 10:57:14 pm: Anyone telling me this poll is telling what the community wants, is either an idiot or just doesn't understand what research really is.

Besides, the majority said kick.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: highglandeur on September 08, 2011, 10:58:11 pm: Jo was right, this is pointless.. you gonna write walls of pink text we wont read, cause we're playin, and ban ban ban BAAAAAAAAN
enjoy guys
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: nuffen on September 08, 2011, 10:58:50 pm: Quote from: highglandeur on September 08, 2011, 10:54:07 pm
awright mate, a few days ago thomek banned a leecher for seven days is that soft enough for ya?

Aww, I think I wrote wrong in the example then, as I ment TK, not leech... wait I did. IRRELEVANT!

PS: agree with magikarp, this poll isnt accurate enough that we can state what the community wants.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 08, 2011, 10:59:47 pm: Quote from: highglandeur on September 08, 2011, 10:58:11 pm
Jo was right, this is pointless.. you gonna write walls of pink text we wont read, cause we're playin, and ban ban ban BAAAAAAAAN
enjoy guys

I don't see how this is pointless.

The whole point of the thread (as Nuffen said) was to see what the community (roughly) wanted, as compared to a while ago and Mainly see if there was any change. Personal interest, nothing more.

I think you are reading too deep into this thread.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: nuffen on September 08, 2011, 11:01:19 pm: Quote from: highglandeur on September 08, 2011, 10:58:11 pm
Jo was right, this is pointless.. you gonna write walls of pink text we wont read, cause we're playin, and ban ban ban BAAAAAAAAN
enjoy guys

Actually, while I was an admin, my experience was that most people reacted to the pink text.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: highglandeur on September 08, 2011, 11:03:16 pm: i remeber them reacting to you 350 days ban even more
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Leshma on September 08, 2011, 11:03:57 pm: I think people need to be perma banned when they have previous history of herp derp activities. Most admins in this mod are too soft like they think that banning griefers will have negative influence on the whole community, but in reality is completely opposite.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: nuffen on September 08, 2011, 11:05:38 pm: Quote from: highglandeur on September 08, 2011, 11:03:16 pm
i remeber them reacting to you 350 days ban even more

That is totally irrelevant, we was discussing what works, not how I was as an admin. If all these posts from you are attempts on attacking how I was as an admin, please go make your own thread.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: highglandeur on September 08, 2011, 11:14:23 pm: It was just to compare with last poll and adapt admin's behavior, ok then, sure guys, sorry i interrupted.
can I delete all my previous posts and throw the towel with you guys?
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Teeth on September 08, 2011, 11:30:59 pm: Quote from: highglandeur on September 08, 2011, 10:54:07 pm
awright mate, a few days ago thomek banned a leecher for seven days is that soft enough for ya?
Thomek is a manly admin, not some forgiving hippy! +1 to Thomek!
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 08, 2011, 11:31:50 pm: As an experiment I will start handing out harsher punishments.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Teeth on September 08, 2011, 11:40:14 pm: Quote from: Tears_of_Destiny on September 08, 2011, 11:31:50 pm
As an experiment I will start handing out harsher punishments.
Yes! Crack down on these lawless evildoers!
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: highglandeur on September 08, 2011, 11:45:05 pm: Awright go and "punish" and be harsh, if it makes you fell better i son't care, after all it's just a game, you will loose players and members but that i guess, you don't care.
You keep whining about tk but guys admins have been fucking up my game experience much more than teamkillers, and let's be honest, i teamkill like 15 guys on a daily basis in this game, not intentionally but still quite a number. Hey, I'm a fucking spammer and it's not against the rules, and I've never been banned! And since spamming and spamming is the only thing i can do cause i sux with my OP 2hander, if I ever wanna tk someone, I can always pretend my teamkill was not intentional...why the fuck am I crying here?
Am I stupid? Sorry guys.
Yes you should be harsher on teamkill, ban them all for 300 days and then go on forum wait for the unban request that makes you feel so good.
Too bad some guys don't know about unban request (since you always mention it when the guy is already banned).
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 08, 2011, 11:48:54 pm: Quote from: highglandeur on September 08, 2011, 11:45:05 pm
Awright go and "punish" and be harsh, if it makes you fell better i son't care, after all it's just a game, you will loose players and members but that i guess, you don't care.
You keep whining about tk but guys admins have been fucking up my game experience much more than teamkillers, and let's be honest, i teamkill like 15 guys on a daily basis in this game, not intentionally but still quite a number. Hey, I'm a fucking spammer and it's not against the rules, and I've never been banned! And since spamming and spamming is the only thing i can do cause i sux with my OP 2hander, if I ever wanna tk someone, I can always pretend my teamkill was not intentional...why the fuck am I crying here?
Am I stupid? Sorry guys.
Yes you should be harsher on teamkill, ban them all for 300 days and then go on forum wait for the unban request that makes you feel so good.
Too bad some guys don't know about unban request (since you always mention it when the guy is already banned).

Nice rage post, this explains why you came into this thread super butt hurt to begin with.

I don't feel good about banning someone, I feel good on the days that I don't have to issue a single ban. That makes me feel good, when the server runs smoothly and quietly.

You need a break from cRPG if the Admins are all out to getcha and are ruining your game experience.

My job is not to oppress people, my job is to make sure that everyone (or rather, as many as is possible) has an enjoyable experience without jerks ruining the fun.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: nuffen on September 08, 2011, 11:51:08 pm: Quote from: Tears_of_Destiny on September 08, 2011, 11:48:54 pm
I don't feel good about banning someone, I feel good on the days that I don't have to issue a single ban. That makes me feel good, when the server runs smoothly and quietly.

My job is not to oppress people, my job is to make sure that everyone (or rather, as many as is possible) has an enjoyable experience without jerks ruining the fun.

Quote for the win!
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: highglandeur on September 08, 2011, 11:58:10 pm: No worries i was just speaking my mind here :)
A good day for me is when i don't see pink text on my screen all the time and when I don't hear on teamspeak another guy crying all day because he has been banned without preliminary kick or has been banned for a year after saying "pink is gay" to an admin who kicked him or some shit like that, and even after saying "sorry daddy" on the forum he still got a 3 days ban.
However, I give you that one, being in VRN's team, since very recently, kind of made the "crying on teamspeak for ban" part vanish.
Let's look at the bright side of life!
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Kryser on September 09, 2011, 12:01:39 am: I'm tired of Drz guys raging on me just cause they cant win a strat battle, and tk me and my ladders whenever im on siege or battle.

Plz ban all of them. thanks
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Dach on September 09, 2011, 01:08:43 am: Quote from: highglandeur on September 08, 2011, 11:58:10 pm
No worries i was just speaking my mind here :)
A good day for me is when i don't see pink text on my screen all the time and when I don't hear on teamspeak another guy crying all day because he has been banned without preliminary kick or has been banned for a year after saying "pink is gay" to an admin who kicked him or some shit like that, and even after saying "sorry daddy" on the forum he still got a 3 days ban.
However, I give you that one, being in VRN's team, since very recently, kind of made the "crying on teamspeak for ban" part vanish.
Let's look at the bright side of life!

I've been playing for nearly one year and I didn't get any warning from an admin since then...

Maybe they're doing it wrong... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: RandomDude on September 09, 2011, 01:29:00 pm: Clan mates tking each other for kicks doesnt help
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Phazey on September 09, 2011, 03:24:34 pm: Too bad the thread got a bit derailed. I've read it with interest.

The impression i take from this thread is that some people thing admins are being too mild, but most agree that warn -> kick -> ban is best.

Alas, some cheecky twats slip through the mesh and get away with an occasional intentional teamkill.

I like the 'karma-system' suggestion: too many teamkills get you autokicked, especially in the start of the round.

Also, maybe some addition to the Q M L system would be worthwhile. What if you could Q M T someone, implying he's a intentional teamkiller. Getting QMT'd would not get you kicked, just add +1 on your QMT-value. If admins could see a player's QMT-value, they can make a better informed decision and respond with harsher punishments if a player has a very high QMT-value.

Prone to abuse though and i'm not sure building such a system is really worth the developer's time. Just as implementing a karma system. Perhaps they should just use their time on Strategus and on Stronghold.

What do you think?
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: IG_Saint on September 09, 2011, 03:49:44 pm: Quote from: Phazey on September 09, 2011, 03:24:34 pm
Too bad the thread got a bit derailed. I've read it with interest.

The impression i take from this thread is that some people thing admins are being too mild, but most agree that warn -> kick -> ban is best.

Alas, some cheecky twats slip through the mesh and get away with an occasional intentional teamkill.

How do you get that impression? 33 people voted for warning, 59 for a kick and 120 for a ban. Most people want an instant ban for intentional TKers. Far fewer people posted than voted, so going by what people said in this thread doesn't make that much sense. Not that the poll provides accurate data, but still a larger sampling is always beter.

Quote from: Phazey on September 09, 2011, 03:24:34 pm
Also, maybe some addition to the Q M L system would be worthwhile. What if you could Q M T someone, implying he's a intentional teamkiller. Getting QMT'd would not get you kicked, just add +1 on your QMT-value. If admins could see a player's QMT-value, they can make a better informed decision and respond with harsher punishments if a player has a very high QMT-value.

Prone to abuse though and i'm not sure building such a system is really worth the developer's time. Just as implementing a karma system. Perhaps they should just use their time on Strategus and on Stronghold.

This idea I quite like, but a (good) way of keeping track of warnings might work just as well.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: MrShine on September 09, 2011, 04:11:05 pm: Quote from: Panoply on September 08, 2011, 07:34:13 am
He should mute the TKer.

This.

Words hurt guys.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Xant on September 09, 2011, 04:14:18 pm: Sticks and stones may break my bones but words make me suicidal.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: highglandeur on September 09, 2011, 06:03:24 pm: the real number is 43.2% for kick or just a warning, and 57.2% for bans
They are actually 4 polls for warnings and kick and 7 polls for bans (2nd thing giving you a bit more bans, after the question itself)
Stop saying people want bans, make real polls first and then draw better conclusion please.

for kicks or just warning: 3+30+49+10=92
92/213=43.2%
for bans: i don't count the last 13 (not ban because of team and mute) so total is 213
213-92=121, or
33+28+6+17+2+20+15= 121
121/213=56.8%
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 09, 2011, 06:04:10 pm: Oh dear...
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: highglandeur on September 09, 2011, 06:16:56 pm: What happened tu us destiny? We used to be friends
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Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 09, 2011, 06:39:11 pm: I am in a weird mood lately due to someone not knowing how to do their job correctly and making me one of the lucky people to clean up a mess. So I am more of a "sarcastic fuck" then usual for the time being. Sorry.
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: highglandeur on September 09, 2011, 07:12:30 pm: I am taking this too seriously and it probably don' help, I'm doig my little crusade against banning for the friend I have lost because of it, but I should take it a little bit more easy on sarcasm and anger. Sry I pissed you off, although i probably meant to at some point.
Taking a break from crpg for the weekend is gonna do me some good, see you next week with more love and less bitterness...
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: MrShovelFace on September 09, 2011, 07:41:16 pm: ahh the glory of democracy when not given the option to vote for the status quo
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: MaHuD on September 10, 2011, 02:30:00 am: Teamkilling on purpose?
Ban.

Appeal ban at forum or buy a new key...
Title: Re: What to do about TKers?
Post by: highglandeur on September 10, 2011, 01:20:51 pm: Lol buy a new key
Mahud 's daddy must be kindof minted