What to do about TKers?

[nuffen]

Hi
Im curious if the players of c-rpg have changed their attitude over time. I'm therefore relaunching the vote that I made back in marsh. What to do about TKers?

If anyones interested, the old poll is here:
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,2760.msg47749.html#msg47749

[Tungsten]

Repeat, intentional tkers -> ban

Someone rage tking -> kick

Accidental TK (Lolcher/xbowmy old friend/thrower/spammer) -> eh.

[Tindel]

If the admin saw the whole thing  = perm ban

Let him write an explanation on forums before lifting it (if ever)

[Smoothrich]

Warn -> Kick -> Ban

Sometimes the kick can be the warning depending on if an Admin saw it or the player was being particularly douchey/is known as a troll

[RandomDude]

If i saw that happen then it would be somewhere between a kick (if i possibly thought they were new and didnt know what they were doing/who was on their team etc) and a 1hr - 1 day ban

[marco1391]

3-4 days ban imo, however this is for this particular situation, for a swing without being provoked at you that kills you it should be 1 day/half day(still imo)

[gazda]

You are really so desperate? you wanna be admin so bad? You have problems...

[Tavuk_Bey]

but nuffen, you are no longer an admin 

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[Ganner]

Accidental TK = nonissue.  Provoked Intentional TK = warning (someone getting mad over an accidental TW or team horse kill, it happens everyone rages every once in a while).  Unprovoked intetional TK = immediate kick as a warning.

[Phazey]

You are at spawn, 2 sec later a new guy spawns on your team,you've never seen him before. He starts attacking you unprovoked. After 3 swings with his giant axe he crushes your shield, and then he kills you with 2 swings. The admin should:

Tell the guy not to teamkill in pink text and kick him. If he comes back on and continues teamkilling: ban.

Two things jump out at me in the above scenario:
1) You've never seen him before.
    And
2) He's wielding a giant axe.

1) Suggests it might be a new player unfamiliar with the rules or possibly confused.
   But!
2) Suggests he's been playing long enough that he should know.

I'm against instantly perma banning the guy. You never know what exactly happened. For example:
I've had a (rare) graphics bug (due to ati crossfire) where some random textures in the game did not load. Usually a few walls or other objects, sometimes the sky texture or some textures on players, like hair or a weapon and on a few occasions the banner above a teammate!

So i spawned and i see my teammates but ONE teammate has no banner above his head and for some reason he has no hair or helmet. I alt-entered twice and voilà: the banner appears above that teammate.

I could imagine the axe wielding teamkiller spawned in late, suffered from the rare graphics bug where that one teammate did not have a banner above his head, didn't realize it was a teammate and thus killed him even though he didn't fight back.

If the guy then immediately apologized in chat, explained that for some reason the banner wasn't visible and he thought him to  be an enemy... well then an instant perma ban would be wrong, wouldn't it?

So admins should talk first and be careful with their assumptions. Getting unjustly banned can ruin the game for you. I would hate it if that would happen. And with all the bans we do, it's quite possible.

Therefore, it is my opinion that admins should always warn first, kick next and ban only if we're very sure it's on purpose.

[Corwin]

1hr ban if the admin saw it all, and if he is sure what happened, max. If repeated, harsher punishment.

On the other hand, what you would do in time when you were admin, would be nothing. Then, after being TKd for four rounds, the guy in question would go berserk and revenge TK the attacker. Here you would react, and banned this guy for a week. Then you would argue about how you were right on forum, because revenge TKs are forbidden. Also, you would probably lie regarding what happened and accuse the banned person for all sort of things.
If someone would initiate a poll for removal of your admin powers, you would open couple of threads on forum about it, where you would post pictures of cute kittens and accuse everyone of a conspiracy.

[nuffen]

I see that a couple of people think that only admins got the right to have an opinion about this. Ignore them, they are wrong.

[DKriza]

I cant understand this polls options (unless it was trolling  ), or people that would only kick or warn the attacker.
Attacking someone at spawn means that that action is deliberate and there cant be confusion about banner bug or missing textures.  :
I have voted for a week ban, but it was close to permanent.

[Huey Newton]

What happens if u tk alot on accident

[IG_Saint]

I would try and warn while it's happening, putting myself inbetween them if I'm alive. If dead I'll look to see how the attacker reacts after the kill. If he just stands there looking at the corpse, he's probably typing something along the line of "OMG you didn't have a banner! :O". If he immediately walks off I'd give him a three day ban. I really don't see the point in going easy on people ruining other people's fun. If he makes a reasonable unban post and doesn't have a history, I'd probably reduce the ban to 1 day.

Getting unjustly banned can ruin the game for you.

Getting intentionally TKed can just as easy ruin the game. Anyone who intentionally TKs has probably done it before and will do it again. A warning or kick won't change that. The offender will just switch server or stop doing it while the admin is on the server, a temporary fix at best. Banning him for a couple of days will hopefully make him think twice about doing it again.